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Top 5 Royal Doubles Hitters Since 1993

Another blast from the past (a haunting?) on a rainy Thursday. Back in January, I looked at the Top Five Doubles Hitters in the post-Brett Era...

Continuing the life-changing examination of the post-Brett era in Kansas City. This time, with a nod to the problems inherent in taking RsBI very seriously, lets instead look at doubles.

Doubles are interesting because a double is a fairly good play, but, at the same time, a double is also sometimes just a home run that doesn't go as far, or do as much damage. Here are the run expectancies for doubles, or, more properly, for a dude standing on second base:

Run Expectancy for a Dude Standing on Second Base:

Dude on Second, no outs: 1.154 runs
Dude on Second, one out: .736 runs
Dude on Second, two outs: .3645

Note: these numbers are just from the 2006 season.

Thinking more about doubles, a fairly common double situation is "man on first moves to third on double" (at least if Sweeney or Buck aren't on first). In that situation, with no outs, the double moves the run expectancy of the inning from .926 to 1.807. With one man already out, the double pushes the expected runs from .567 to 1.173. All good things.

Anyway, here are the top five doubles men since 1993:

Top Five Doubles Hitters For the Royals Since 1993:

1. Mike Sweeney- 292
2. Joe Randa- 223
3. Carlos Beltran- 156
3t. Johnny Damon- 156
5. Jermaine Dye- 115

About what you would expect regarding doubles. Mike Macfarlane has 174 doubles as a Royal -- good for 9th most in club history -- but the majority of them came in the early '90s, which is for whatever reason outside the data-set I'm interested in presently. Berroa currently has 103 doubles as a Royal, and David DeJesus already has 82. If David doesn't catch Angel in this category by the end of 2008, then that probably means things are going horribly wrong.

Overall, Kauffman Stadium has played as a good hitters park over the last decade and change, usually posting solid pro-hitter park factor. Still, the dimensions have changed twice, and intuitively I would suspect that the moved in fences helped homers but suppressed doubles, while the new/old dimensions of the last three seasons have increased doubles while decreasing homers. Unfortunately, I don't have this data in front of me. If anyone knows where outcome-specific historical park-factors can be found, I'd love to know. However, it must be remembered that single-year PFs aren't terribly reliable as it is, and single-outcome ones can be fairly noisy.

Anyway, the beat goes on. Congrats to Sweeney on another post-Brett victory.

Update [2007-8-9 12:46:48 by royalsreview]:

While Sweeney's managed only a 10 double season to date, he's obviously in no danger of being caught any time soon. On other fronts, David DeJesus has, indeed, passed Angel on the All-Time Doubles list. As of August 8th, David has notched 108 2Bs, five ahead of Berroa's 103.

The sometimes maligned Emil Brown has snuck all the way up to 83 doubles as a Royal, passing Raul Ibanez's total of 81 with a two-double game against Texas back on July 28th. Amazingly, the Royals didn't honor this achievement with an in-game ceremony.

Mark Teahen now owns 73 career doubles (two behind our beloved Mike Tucker's total as a Royal), while Buck sits at 66.

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We've always had
a lot of strong singles/doubles hitters.  The Royals have never been a team overly reliant on HR's, even in the glory days.  I don't really find many surprises on this list.
lordbyronk

by lordbyronk on Jan 8, 2007 4:30 PM EST   0 recs

Somewhat off topic
but any older Royals fan, when he/she thinks about doubles, just has to have this mental picture:

Hal McRae, when he had gotten a little too old to really bust his a*@ anymore, hitting yet another line drive into the corner (and really, it could be either corner), realizing it was going to be a double no matter what, and literally walking the last 6 or 7 steps into second base. Classic.

Mac used to say he liked to try to hit down the lines on purpose - either it was fair for a double, or it was foul and he was still swinging.

Man, that was some combo - Mac and Brett. I've been so busy comparing the upcoming duo of Gordon and Butler to Robin Ventura and Frank Thomas, I forget the comparsion to Brett/McRae kinda works too...

by loyal2s dad on Jan 8, 2007 4:59 PM EST   0 recs

did someone mention McCrae?
Did you consider Brett for Miller with the bases loaded in the 7th?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kamDqL-AGzI&mode=related&search=

by LeoBloom on Aug 9, 2007 12:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

gordon and butler
and teahen...

i cant wait for the royals to trade one of them, bury the other and see the one they play the most turn out to be a bust

if Gordon busts, this franchise might never recover

and yea, i'm feeling negative today

FIRE BELL

by FireBell on Jan 8, 2007 5:04 PM EST   0 recs

Doubles
By my observations, the outfield seems harder at the K than in other ballparks, leading to a faster ground ball. This could turn many gap singles into sure doubles.

I'd be interested in seeing what Kauffman's effect, if any, is on doubles if anyone could find that.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Jan 8, 2007 6:59 PM EST   0 recs

that makes sense
and back in the artificial turf days it was even more of a doubles machnie

by DyeFan187 on Jan 9, 2007 12:51 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

someone posted park effects in another thread
recently.  You could sort by runs scored, hrs, doubles, triples, etc.  I believe Royals were top 3 in doubles (can't recall.) Will look for it.

by marbotty on Aug 9, 2007 2:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Ponder This

  AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg  
A. Casilla 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232  
J. Bartlett ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .262  
J. Mauer c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .301  
M. Cuddyer rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .287  
J. Morneau 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290  
T. Hunter cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294  
J. Kubel lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .247  
R. White dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .156  
L. Rodriguez 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .204  
 Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0  

 Kansas City
  AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg  
D. DeJesus cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284  
E. German 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285  
M. Teahen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289  
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .294  
R. Gload 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .302  
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .238  
T. Pena Jr. ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .275  
J. Gathright lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .362  
J. LaRue c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .157  
 Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0  

TPJ in the 7 hole and German at 2nd where, oddly, he seems to do less damage with the glove. Since LaPoo is a given this morning, I can't kick about this lineup.

This leaves Gritz's veteran presence on the bench to PH, but you know Buddy would use Brown. Don't even mention Buck.

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Aug 9, 2007 1:04 PM EDT   0 recs

1st to 3rd vs Stolen base
So often we look to the stolen base as the indicator of whether a guy is using his speed to the teams advantage. I can't tell from your analysis, but can you say which provides more of an increase in run expectancy a stolen base or a guy going from 1st to 3rd on a single?

Granted, going first to third requires the guy behind you to get a hit first, but I think the answer is going to be that 1st to third improves run expectations more than a SB. That's something that Beltran did better than anyone that I can remember. His stolen bases were alright (it was a Boras first contract year afterall), but he ALWAYS went first to third on a single.

I also think we'd find that Teahen and DeJesus do this above average as well, and might mitigate some of the angst over their low SB numbers.

by Big Guy on Aug 9, 2007 1:17 PM EDT   0 recs

i ahve read elsehwere
that teahen is one of the best baserunners in the game in terms of taking the extra base
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Aug 9, 2007 1:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I was thinking
that the current Royals team is double crazy this year.  It seems like every game in the box scores you see DDJ, Teahen, Butler, Gordon, so maybe there will be some new additions to this list in a few years.  No major surprises on this list.  We had some great hitters in the late 90's/early 00's, if only we had pitching at that time.  

by lordbyronk on Aug 10, 2007 7:47 AM EDT   0 recs

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