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Monday Extravaganza Open Thread- Big Moe Memorial Edition

American culture has lost another great voice. R.I.P. Kenneth Moore, aka "Big Moe". Dead at the age of 33.

Townsman of a stiller town...

Moe appears to be at least the second rapper to succomb the ravages of obesity. He is preceeded in death by fellow large men the Notorious B.I.G. and Big Pun. He will be best remembered for his two drug-related hits, "Barre Baby" and "Purple Stuff".

At this moment, I'm reminded of Gray's Elegy:

For them no more the blazing hearth shall burn,
Or busy housewife ply her evening care:
No children run to lisp their sire's return,
Or climb his knees the envied kiss to share,

Oft did the harvest to their sickle yield,
Their furrow oft the stubborn glebe has broke;
How jocund did they drive their team afield!
How bow'd the woods beneath their sturdy stroke!

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As we mourn Big Moe, the sports world kindly offers us an action packed night, with Game Three of the ALCS (temps in the high 50s) and Game Four of the NLCS (temps in the high 30s) paired off against Monday Night Football. According to AZ Snakepit, Melvin is not starting Webb tonight, instead going with Micah Owings. Is Owings mormon? I'd bet dollars to donuts he is.  

- In other news Beyond the Boxscore pays homage to Jason Smith.

- While new manager speculation continues at the official site. Who will be the new manager of the Kansas City Royals in 2007? We'll likely hear very little, then there will be a flurry of interviews, then an out-of-the-blue announcement. Your guess is as good as mine, but I think we can rule out ex-famous types like Bobby Valentine or Joe Torre.

Finally...

Go Diamondbacks!! Western Kansas has never been more susceptible to the whorish attractions offered by the Rockies. We must hold the western front!

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Anyone else
miss the days when scouting reports said "Fastball at 93-94" or team "keys to the game" were...actually, I don't think "keys to the game" ever make sense.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All postseason long, it's been
"Mike Lowell up the middle" this, "Lowell now sprays the ball to the opposite field" that. I encourage you all to see how legit you think this claim is when you look at Lowell's hit chart.

http://mlb.mlb.com/stats/individual_player_hitting_chart.jsp?playerID=136780&statType=1

Up the middle? Yeah, he hits a lot of liners to center. Opposite field? Not so much.

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey
didn't you know he learned to hit the opposite way when he came to Boston?

by wildthang on Oct 15, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really don't want to hear about it :P
even Don and Jerry consistently get this wrong. He's absolutely still a pull hitter...that's where all his power is to. He grounds singles up the middle and occasionally--not often at all--dumps one into right. Notice how few extra base hits went the opposite way?
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone please link
Kenny Lofton's name to steroids so I can justify what I just saw?
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 7:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, whaddya know?
Joe Buck pointed out that one of Eric Wedge's brilliant substitutes, Asdrubal Cabrera, has actually been very bad recently. Kudos, Joe, even if you used batting average as the stat to "prove" it.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Opposite field double for Ortiz
haven't seen many of those this year.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ortiz, you dope!
You weren't supposed to be going to third on that in the first place.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 8:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

haha
that was quite close to being even funnier.

by wildthang on Oct 15, 2007 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Ken Rosenthal!
Where's a rock?
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, that was weird.
My comp closed up shop out of the blue. My first thought was that the campus network had banned me for using limewire or something, but it turned out that I left it on last night and energy saver abruptly kicked in.

I told one of my friends that Matsuzaka's arm with falling off. He didn't believe me. Um, haha?

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He gone
Hello, Mike Timlin.

Wow, McCarver says he has a "hard, heavy sinker."

  1. McCarver sounded way too happy about that.
  2. He doesn't.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Westbrook is doing exactly what
everyone thought Carmona would. Ouch.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is just not the Sox night
and we're running out of room for nights like it.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And move on to roid user Betancourt
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Will you called that one
4-2 tribe.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amazing
that the Indians have three somewhat unconventional off-speed pitchers throwing in the post-season - Westbrook, Carmona, Byrd - two sinkerballers and one old school junk pitcher.

FYI, just in case anyone's wondering who this is I was formerly under the handle NYC Royal.  I've changed locations so I thought an RR sn change was appropriate as well considering how much time I spend here.

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I will. I greatly enjoy the new city too.
After spending over a year in New York, DC feels like a return home to the Midwest.

That's really amazing or really sad, depending on how you look at it.

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? What's the rationale?
Other than punching A-Rod in the face.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, that...
and the fact that it was somehow praised as something admirable

honestly, its not so much him i despise as the way he's constantly venerated as St. Leadership

by royalsreview on Oct 15, 2007 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take Johnny Buck over 'Tek in a cage match
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coocoo Crap strikes again!
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cheap hit by the wife beater
tying run comes to the plate...

pull westbrook now!

by royalsreview on Oct 15, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lugo was acquitted!
Seriously, this stuff only comes back up because the guy has hit .230 this year. It's a little sad.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inverse, Converse, or Contrapositive...
I don't like Lugo, but the fact remains he was acquitted of that charge.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Typical Buck/McCarver exchange
Getting all worked up about whether to throw Beckett on 3 days rest.  I don't mean to say that it's not a worthy topic of conversation; it's just that their dialogue kills me, I think because it reminds me of the string of Yankees titles in the mid-90's.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i hated buck's comment about
pitchers not going deep into games anymore

yea, and guys also go max-effort every batter now, because they have to

Anyone but Terry

by FireBell on Oct 15, 2007 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that was strike 3 to dustin
Anyone but Terry

by FireBell on Oct 15, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whatever it was,
it seemed like the first close one yet that they didn't K-Zone.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not.
But the thing is, he'll pitch the ninth and, if things break right, he won't face our best hitters.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And upon further review...
is ANYONE scared of JOBOW? I ain't afraida no ghost.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'll make a push in the eighth,
but if Wedge has the sense to use Betancourt the Sox are probably doomed. NHZ odds at 4-1 that the Sox come back and win.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,
the Indians still have be happy what they got out of Westbrook. Best start thus far for Cleveland...anyone call that one?
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed
Hafner...or really anyone else other than Gutierrez would make sense.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he doesn't,
Wedge is trying to lose.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There he is!
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was huge
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Youk is fun to watch
For someone who has such great plate discipline and routinely battles strikes, you'd expect more results out of him in terms of batting average and power.  I guess that goes to show how little tools he has in the first place.  
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He doesn't hit for that high
of an average because of his skillset: he works deep into a lot of counts and winds up striking out a lot as well as his well-known walk-prowess. In terms of power...well...he's never really been that powerful. There was a time in the minors where it was not clear at all if he would develop enough power to start anywhere.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ortiz pissed all over that pitch
Wow.  That was one of the more impressive outs I've seen in a while.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Blah
See, now the vaunted JoBow avoids the heart of the line-up by a longshot. And by the way, Betancourt is crazy good this year and it makes no sense that he hasn't closed some games.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's because
JoBow's "their guy".

frivolous loyalty.

by wildthang on Oct 15, 2007 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It probably pays off tonight
because you can't tell me you wouldn't rather have Betancourt face Youk-Ortiz-Ramirez and JoBow get Lowell-Drew-Varitek...assuming Borowski has to pitch at all.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you would
most sane human beings would.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indians WE at 94%
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Papelbon, not Delcarmen, should be
coming in. As if there's going to be a higher-leverage situation than this in this game. Jesus, Francona.

That said, c'mon Other Manny.

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

McCarver/Buck debating Gagne
He's done this postseason unless the Sox are in a +6/-6 run game
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Never mind.
I'm totally cool with the idea that possibly Francona does know something I don't. Kudos Delcarmen, you are a stud.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Young picked off
Joe Borowski into the game.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The tension begins in Cleveland
As Borowski takes the mound.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

#%#$ing #%^# LOWELL TAKE A STRIKE
One out.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

J.D. Drew
The sweet-swinging Will Clark of the new millennium, but more despised.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's a shame, too.
I think if Drew's 100% next year he'll get back to 20 homers and a offensive plus. He still had a .373 OBP this year despite his struggles.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Borowski
An inspiration to Polish-Americans everywhere!
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Heckuva a fight,
hate to see it end that way...but then, Coco Crisp is the Red Sox player most likely to be a Royal (read: any other team) next season and he was on deck.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well damn.
I'm going to keep tabs on the Rox-D'Backs, and I'll probably post here again tonight, but for now it's Deadwood Season 2 Episode 8...
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For me
Deadwood is the best of HBO's dramatic series.  The Wire is a close second.  Sopranos/Rome tie for third.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Oct 15, 2007 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's REALLY good.
I also loved Band of Brothers. I'm told there's distinct possibility I'll get the box set for my birthday. Hooray!
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My birthday is next week
that was not a random comment. Just so's you know.
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 15, 2007 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

AZ has scored 4 runs in 31 innings
due to bust out
formerly known as 'tfn'

by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 15, 2007 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

each guy over 50 pitches
in 3 innings
formerly known as 'tfn'

by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 15, 2007 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugly NL baseball
see... the MSM will only call a game "ugly" if its a 10-9 game, but honestly, 1-0, with these consistently lame "battles" between bad pitchers and guys with terrible plate approaches is no better

by royalsreview on Oct 15, 2007 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TV showing george brett
but sound off, so not sure why

by royalsreview on Oct 15, 2007 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was just going to speculate that Hurdle isn't
smart enough to pinch hit for Morales in the 4th inning ... when he proved me wrong

Go Clint, go Rox

formerly known as 'tfn'

by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 15, 2007 11:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you called that right
formerly known as 'tfn'

by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 16, 2007 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ballgame again
fire bob melvin

left micah in waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa too long

by royalsreview on Oct 16, 2007 12:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A lot of managers would have left Morales in
and it would still be 1-0 DBax
formerly known as 'tfn'

by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 16, 2007 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Royals hope to hold any of Kansas
they should set up their last defense lines around Topeka and Wichita.

Rockies are going to the World Series.  The Diamondbacks never had a chance.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 12:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Royals pinned in on both sides
Cards own MO and now this...

whats next? the Rangers winning the WS?

by royalsreview on Oct 16, 2007 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A Small Enclave Of
Royals fans in Iola is all that remains now. Can GMDM be our John Connor and teach us to survive?
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 16, 2007 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You would think that if he used 10 pitchers
the snakes would be able to hit one of them

should say, I would think

formerly known as 'tfn'

by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 16, 2007 12:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Babybacks
Don't much cotton to hittin'.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 16, 2007 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Arizona
Score some friggin' runs!
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Oct 16, 2007 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I had the Rockies losing to the Angels
in the World Series.  I would like to revise that now.

Rockies over the Indians in six?

Wow.  What a story.  What will it be, 21 wins in 22 games?  Amazing.  Magic really.

by James Quinn on Oct 16, 2007 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jesus Is Magic
But good magic, unlike Simon Magus and the Magi.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 16, 2007 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Countdown
To Shealy for us?
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 16, 2007 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is our country
RIP Big Moe

who I have never heard of

Anyone but Terry

by FireBell on Oct 16, 2007 12:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can arizona show any life
its stiull just the 6th
Anyone but Terry

by FireBell on Oct 16, 2007 12:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

we want affeldt
Anyone but Terry

by FireBell on Oct 16, 2007 1:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

affeldt would be out of this inning by now
is drew going first to third really that good of a play?
Anyone but Terry

by FireBell on Oct 16, 2007 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a year ago
mark reynolds was playing in the arizona fall league.

by wildthang on Oct 16, 2007 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not sure what the point of going to third was
about the 20th odd baserunning play by the dbacks this series

by royalsreview on Oct 16, 2007 1:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't Pop The
Corks yet.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Oct 16, 2007 1:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he;d played 3 innings at 2nd all year
prior to tonight

i respect the move to get him in, no matter how little i noticed it

by royalsreview on Oct 16, 2007 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can't wait for Chris Young's horrible at bat
setting my watch by it

Big Moe was a huge fan of the color Purple... I think its appropo the Rockies may sweep tonight

by royalsreview on Oct 16, 2007 1:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What can I say?
The Diamondbacks may not have the known players, but they do just know how to win.

by mazoboom on Oct 16, 2007 1:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

young actually took some pitches
cant say the same for byrnes and salazr

drew swinging 3-0 wasnt much better

by royalsreview on Oct 16, 2007 1:42 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sager is such a jackass
and he has the worst wardrobe ever.

by wildthang on Oct 16, 2007 1:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

rocktober baby
such a horrible horrible idea.

by wildthang on Oct 16, 2007 1:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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