Paul Byrd Allegations Raises the Possibility the Royals Had a Team Problem
This was passed along to me this morning from Gary Gaffney, a doctor at the University of Iowa who follows PEDs:
The Kansas City Royals, pathetic performers in the 2000s, also appear to be a pathetic PED/'roid/HGH users. Does history point at the Royal's ex-trainer Chris Mihlfeld as the source of the HGH scourge?
The revelation today of Paul Byrd receiving deliveries of HGH while a pitcher for the Royals, leads us to speculate about the relationship between former Royal Byrd, nailed HGH/steroid user and former Royal Jason Grimsley, and the former Royals trainer Mihlfeld.
Link, here.
Gaffney also has a long post on the Byrd story.
Byrd has told FOXSports that he has a brain tumor and is taking HGH for those reasons.
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Proof that PEDs
by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could tell
by RoyalsRetro on Oct 21, 2007 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Applauding
Entire movement to discredit accomplishments and label this the "Steroid Era" is appalling to me.
I'M TIRED OR READING/HEARING ABOUT IT.
by loyal2s dad on Oct 21, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree totally.
by TXroyal on Oct 21, 2007 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ending the steroids era
And PED's clearly improve performance. If you look at the website Will referenced above (Steroid Nation) you will find a recent report by a physicist that demonstrates how using PED's can increase a player's homerun total by 50%. That is just one example of how performance is improved. Players would not be taking them if they did not improve performance.
I'll be glad when this whole era is done, but exposes like this are just part of the process of ending it. That is how I see it at least.
by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the days of 2003-4 have died
but yet MLB still wants us to keep talking and caring about
by royalsreview on Oct 21, 2007 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do we know the era has passed?
As there is no medical way to test for most drugs, and since the player's union will not allow MLB to retain frozen samples until a test can be developed, and since the player's union refuses to allow any substance other than urine to be gathered, the best way to discover who is using illegal drugs is simply to discover who is buying them. And this is most likely how all the new names which will be on the Mitchell report will have been obtained.
Law enforcement has always tracked drug purchases via financial transactions, not through fluid tests. The method that just exposed Byrd is the same method that has been used by law enforcement for generations. It was not baseball that discovered Byrd's long illegal habit; it was a criminal investigation. The FBI will probably leave Byrd and other users alone. They have already publicly stated they have no interest in cleaning up baseball. The FBI is simply interested in shutting down a large and dangerous illegal drug smuggling and distribution enterprise.
by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tracked by financial transactions
by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, players wouldn't be taking them
by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm coming late to the party
That paper by the physicist is pretty bad. He makes assumptions about muscle hypertrophy, muscle mass and force generation that an undergrad majoring in sports science wouldn't (dare to) make. He needs to either open a basic text on sports science or consult one of his colleagues in the sports science department.
The physicist did not do any studies, certainly not with real life MLB players. What he did was make broad sweeping generalisations.
by rfloh on Oct 24, 2007 6:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless of course
by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 3:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If he has a brain tumor and HGH
by TXroyal on Oct 21, 2007 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good timing by the SF Chronicle...
by royalsreview on Oct 21, 2007 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That story is ridiculous.
by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PED's DO enhance performance
PED's give a competitive advantage through illicit chemical means. It doesn't make a bad player a great player. It can make help make a poor player into an average player (Byrd) or a pretty good player into a very good player (Bentancourt) or a very good player into a great player (Bonds). There is a reason that every major sports organization in the world bans these substances. Doping is a serious international problem. These drugs help players and it helps them in a way which is unfair to the rule abiding players and which is detrimental to the sport.
I have no idea why there are so many "hey it's no big deal" PED apologists.
by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think
For myself, I can say I don't approve of steroid use, and never have. But I don't consider it a total blight on the human condition either, and am suspicious of scenarios drawn in absolute black and white. I don't think that makes me an apologist.
by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't take this guy seriously
Second, I couldn't find the article claiming that the PEDs can increase homerun total by 50%, but without looking at it I will say that both from physics and medical standpoints such a study is highly suspect.
by Moose Tacos on Oct 21, 2007 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dr. Gary Gaffney
http://grg51.typepad.com/about.html
and here is a link to the study I mentioned above:
http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/2007/09/steroids-theore.html
I don't see any reason not to take his information seriously. He seems to have the credentals and background.
I also don't understand why you are uncertain about the effectivness of PED's. We already know that almost all the track and field and baseball players who broke long-standing records during the "era" were users. If for no other reason that alone makes the case for me. No one hits more than 61 homeruns in 50 years and than three players break the record in two years? And we know that two of them (McGuire and Bonds) were users of PED's, and I would eat my foot if it turns out Sosa was clean.
by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, right.
by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, we do.
We know his trainer went to jail for illegal possession.
We know his personal physician lost his medical license in California for illegal distribution of steroids. Bonds was the only Giant who had a "personal" physician. All the other players just used the team doctors.
We know he tested positive for speed and blamed it on a team mate. Apparently he just takes drugs out of his teammates lockers and swallows them without asking what they are first.
We know he has been the subject of a federal investigation for perjury steaming from his claim he did not use steroids.
We know he has admitted to using "the clear," but not knowing it was a steroid. Apparently he just spreads cream on his body without knowing what it is.
His former mistress (for what this is worth) claimed he admitted he used to her.
And for heaven's sake, just look at the man's head and chest.
Seriously, do you have doubts? Seriously?
by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Circumstantial evidence
by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
One could point out that Bonds HAS passed pee tests for steroids in recent years, despite the circumstantial evidence that supports the notion that he used. One could point out that speed and controlled substances like cocaine have been commonplace in baseball's past, going WAY back, just in case anyone is worried about the integrity of the game.
If I were placed on a jury right now, I'd say Bonds used. A poor and unnecessary choice, but I don't think that makes him the devil. I don't think it negates his talent and accomplishments as a player. I just don't see it that way. What I see is a player who's been put under a microscope because it sells books and gets ratings. I've heard people who don't know what an rbi is express undeniable certainty about Bonds' motives and character -- a weird cultural phenomenon in my opinion.
by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For me personally,
It is the whole issue of personal responsibility that continues to drive my dislike of him. Bond's equates misdirection and plausible denial to proper and upright behavior. There are a lot of examples of this type of behavior, from Ken Lay to Tuberculosis Airline guy. Bonds reached the age of reason long ago. He needs to act responsibly.
by James Quinn on Oct 22, 2007 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
But it's my opinion that some people's unacceptable behavior is considered more unacceptable than others. Why the societal focus on Barry Bonds, when it's becoming clear that at worst he was small part of a league wide problem. Unlike Ken Lay, (or Betancourt), he was not the ringleader. Why the multimillion dollar government proble centered around him? That doesn't seem right either, and in that context I can see why he wouldn't say a word about it to his brother, his mother or anybody else. This is the world we live in.
As a side note - I'm continually impressed by the level of dialogue on this site. Emotions are high on this issue, but there's a substantive discussion going on...
by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
credentials ...
I have no doubt that PEDs increase performance. Taking a look at the study, there are a number of assumptions that go into the 50% figure, not to mention the poorly-understood model of how pitching and hitting work. The most basic point is good, but it is disingenuous to only cite the 50% number.
by Moose Tacos on Oct 21, 2007 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roughly true, but highly inexact
by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
Time to go watch game 7.
by Moose Tacos on Oct 21, 2007 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right,
Anyway, for me the important point to the study wasn't the figure of 50%, it was just to counter the point that PED do not actually enhance performance. I just can't understand that point of view. We know thousands of players risk their health, professional standing, reputation, even their legal freedom, to seek out and use expensive drugs that they only think may help them? Does that seem logical at all? PEDs are big business because people know they work.
by James Quinn on Oct 21, 2007 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tiger penises and bear gall bladders
used by thousands or more
Do they work?
by Free Willie Aikens on Oct 21, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every sports organization on the planet
by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knee-jerk reactions mostly
by mazoboom on Oct 21, 2007 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Decades
by NYRoyal on Oct 21, 2007 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd's "prescription" for HGH is phoney.
Well, pretending he was taking HGH under doctor's supervision for a brain tumor allowed him to pretend he was clean for a few more hours, until the ALCS ended at least.
Would it kill someone to actually accept responsiblity for their own actions?
by James Quinn on Oct 22, 2007 12:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At the very least
by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladies And Gentlemen
by philofthenorth on Oct 22, 2007 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd
Why?
BECAUSE IT WASN'T AGAINST THE GOD DAMN RULE WHEN HE TOOK IT!
He also appeared to stop when it became against the rules, so as far as his baseball accopmplishments,
THEY WERE ALL LEGITIMATE UNDER THE RULES OF BASEBALL AT THE TIME!!!
How can he be labelled a cheater? It's simply not logical.
Now, if he obtained a prescription under false pretenses, or otherwise broke the law, that's a different matter, but a matter for the courts, not for the baseball recordbooks.
by loyal2s dad on Oct 22, 2007 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Byrd's story is just smoke and mirrors
I know that HGH was not listed as one of the specifically banned substances until March of 2005, but that does not make its use acceptable for baseball players if they were using it to improve their performance. There were lists of specific drugs compiled in 2004 and 2005, but that doesn't mean any drug not on those lists is fair game. In truth, I am not really sure what purpose those lists serve other than as information for players. I guess I need to learn more about them, but I do know that taking a prescription medicine for no purpose other than to improve performance has been banned by MLB since 1991.
According to Byrd, he decided to start injecting himself with HGH at home to treat a life long hormonal imbalance which may have caused him to develop brain tumors. Byrd did in fact have that hormonal imbalance and it can be treated with HGH. However, he has not yet provided a name of a doctor who he consulted with before buying the HGH. He paid for the HGH with his credit card, rather than just submit it to insurance as a person normally would when buying a drug for legitimate reasons. Also, he bought $25,000 worth of HGH, the last shipment received only a few weeks before it was added to the banned list. That is a lot of drugs. He says he stopped taking it when it was banned, (even though it had been banned for non-medical purposes since 1991) but since there is no test for HGH no one really knows when he stopped using - or if he ever stopped using.
Byrd's "prescription" for HGH was signed by a dentist who he never met. Dentists cannot prescribe HGH. And this particular dentist lost his license in 2003 due to incompetence, two years before he wrote Byrd's prescriptions. The dentist is currently being prosecuted for illegal distribution of drugs.
Who treats a brain tumor on their own without consulting a doctor?
Who pays $25,000 for drugs rather than let insurance pick up the bill?
Who buys their brain tumor drugs from an out of state "wellness center," (which obtained their drugs from an organized crime syndicate which was smuggling them into the U.S. from illegal Chinese labs) rather than just drive down to the local drug store? If I was treating a brain tumor I wouldn't go internet shopping for the "cheap stuff."
Byrd's latest claims - He is being persecuted as backlash for a recent interview in which he claimed his religious "piety" prevented him from succumbing to the temptation to cheat as had other players such as Jose Cansaco. -- Or, his suggestion that his name may have been leaked by George Mittchel, who is a part owner of the Red Sox, to embarrass the Indians before game seven. Byrd just keeps digging that grave.
by James Quinn on Oct 23, 2007 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I'm in a ranting mood
I'm sorry, learned doctor or not, that guy is an idiot, and probably an idiot with an agenda.
Here are some questions to ask yourself if you think his estimate is even REMOTELY in the ballpark:
Why didn't HRs go up 50% in the league?
Why didn't the HR record of 61 go up to 91?
Why didn't the longest HR of the year go from say, 500 ft to 750 ft?
Why didn't a pitcher somewhere suddenly start throwing 140 MPH instead of a mere 95 MPH?
Why didn't the league K leader suddenly fan 400 instead of 275?
Why didn't the league SB leader steal 120 instead of 80?
Seriously, that doctor is such an IDIOT. I can't believe I had to waste even 5 minutes ranting about his STUPIDITY.
50% MY ASS.
by loyal2s dad on Oct 22, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some answers
Because not everyone, nor even most players were using PED's.
Why didn't the longest HR of the year go from say, 500 ft to 750 ft?
He's saying that PED's helped players increase the times they can get a ball far enough to go over the wall by 50%, not that they would hit the ball 50% farther. There's a big difference there.
Why didn't a pitcher somewhere suddenly start throwing 140 MPH instead of a mere 95 MPH?
Why didn't the league K leader suddenly fan 400 instead of 275?
Why didn't the league SB leader steal 120 instead of 80?
First, I think he was talking about just home runs. Second, I don't think he was saying that PED's will help anyone and everyone do whatever they do 50% better.
Seriously, that doctor is such an IDIOT. I can't believe I had to waste even 5 minutes ranting about his STUPIDITY.
50% MY ASS.
You may be right. But what that study represents was someone trying to actually quantify the degree to which PED's genuinely enhance performance. I appreciate the effort. The 50% figure doesn't sound right to me. Maybe it is actually 35%. Or 15%. I'm sure it isn't uniform over various drugs in various doses for various players, but I'm sure they do, generally, enhance performance. I think there should be more studies done on the degree to which that is true, if for no other reason than to silence those willfully blind people who continue to claim that PED's do not actually enhance performance, despite the raft of evidence.
by NYRoyal on Oct 22, 2007 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
by 390 on Oct 22, 2007 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
distribution
by Moose Tacos on Oct 22, 2007 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much do PED's increas HR rates?
The "Steroid's Era" is considered to have started in 1995-1997.
Rafael Palmeiro
1992 - 1994 - 27.3 HR/yr avg.
1995-1997 - 38.7
... a 66% bump.
Ken Caminiti
1992 - 1994 - 14.7
1995 - 1997 - 30.1
... a 104% bump
American League as a whole during the same six years.
1992 - 1994 - 0.91 HR/game
1995 - 1997 - 1.13 HR/game
... we know not all players were juicing, but somehow league wide HR totals were bumped 24%.
Obviously this is not a very good study but it does seem to support that steroids usage does in fact significantly increase HR production.
I don't know why people are quick to dismiss the 50% figure. To my eyes it looks like a pretty reasonable "ballpark" guess.
We know when Bonds started using from "Game of Shadows" and we know he went from a 30-40 HR guy to 50-70 HR guy. We have pysical science and game play evidence to work from here, and they seem to pretty well reach the same conclusion. Steroids = a lot more homeruns.
We all want this PED obsession in baseball to end. It takes joy out of baseball for all fans. I suggest the best way to end it is to actually enforce the rules and hold players accountable, not look the other way and ignore the problem. Unless a person is fine with baseball players actually using PED's I encourage them to support this latest effort at enforcing accountability. I think it is the best and fastest way to end the juicing culture.
by James Quinn on Oct 23, 2007 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post
And I loved your last paragraph. Pretending PED use didn't happen, or isn't happening or isn't a problem is only going to exacerbate the problem. We have to acknowledge the problem and push for enforcement and accountability. Denying the problem and being an apologist for drug cheats will only make things worse.
by NYRoyal on Oct 23, 2007 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The full paper by Tobin is
From the study:
"It is reasonable to assume that a 10% increase in an athlete's muscle mass will also increase the force exerted by those muscles by about 10%".
This is a gross generalisation. Firstly it depends whether that increase is either sarcoplasmic or myofibrillar hypertrophy. Sarcoplasmic hypertrophy will generally not increase force potential at all. Or in layman's terms, compare an olympic weightlifter with a bodybuilder.
Secondly, the neural system also plays a tremendously important role. Especially in a situation where the external resistance, ie the baseball bat, is minimal, rate of force development is just as important as maximum force potential. Compare a shot putter to a javelin thrower. The shot weight for males is about 7kg, about 15 lbs, about 4kg for females, about 9 lbs. The javelin 0.8 and 0.6 kgs respectively. Elite shot putters might spend about 50% of their training time on heavy resistance training, whereas elite javelin throwers 15-25%.
The reason that 50% figure is a problem is that Tobin makes gross generalisations, then applies those generalisations to his mathematical model.
by rfloh on Oct 24, 2007 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Point taken,
My own thoughts are that the 50% figure probably is pretty accurate, but regardless as to if the figure is 15% or 100%, in the end this article helps explain why PEDs help players hit more homeruns. It counters the claim that PEDs don't work.
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ESPN: Matthews, Byrd & Ankiel may be suspended
Gary Matthews Jr., Paul Byrd, Rick Ankiel and other Major League Baseball players who have been linked to human growth hormone in published reports face the prospect of a Bud Selig-imposed suspension if they are found to have violated U.S. law.
Citing a high-ranking major league official, The Los Angeles Times reported Thursday that Major League Baseball's commissioner hasn't ruled out such discipline for players even if they did not violate baseball's drug policy.
Major League Baseball did not ban HGH until January 2005, but steroids and HGH have been, and still are, illegal without a legitimate prescription. (My note, this part still confuses me. I understand that any use of prescription drugs for non-medical purposes, just as a method of improving performance, has been banned by baseball since 1991. Maybe I do not fully understand this part of the policy. I'll keep learning.)
SI.com reported earlier this year that Matthews ordered HGH in 2004. The Los Angeles Angels outfielder is expected to be called to Selig's office in November to discuss the report, The Times reported.
Byrd is the player most recently linked to HGH. On Sunday, the day of Game 7 of the ALCS, the San Francisco Chronicle reported the Indians right-hander had purchased nearly $25,000 worth of HGH and syringes between 2002 and 2005. Byrd said he was taking the drug under a doctor's care for what he described as a pituitary gland issue.
Byrd said the Indians and MLB officials knew of his condition -- "I have nothing to hide," Byrd said Sunday -- but both disputed the pitcher's claim. Baseball officials said they want to discuss the matter with him.
by James Quinn on Oct 25, 2007 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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