Royals set coaching staff for 2008
The coaching staff for 2008 has now been set:
MANAGER Trey Hillman
Hitting Coach Mike Barnett
Pitching Coach Bob McClure
First Base Coach Rusty Kuntz
Third Base Coach Luis Silverio
Bench Coach Dave Owen
Bullpen Coach John Mizerock
I'm disappointed that most of our coaching staff will remain similar to that in years' past. One of the reasons Royals fans have been so defiantly faithful to "GMDM" is his literal carrying out of the "Fire Everyone" campaign of 2006 - bringing in competent men from another successful organization (ATL) and firing the incompetent ones under the Baird regime. McClure did a decent job working and improving our young pitchers in 2007; however, I'm of the belief that most of our 1+ ERA improvement falls on the shoulders of Dayton Moore, who brought in pitchers with good track records (Riske, Meche, Bannister, and Soria to an extent). Moore made his emphases of pitching well-known last season.
My knowledge of John Mizerock is limited (other than his brief tenure as interim manager and reputation as a not-very-nice guy). I'm skeptical he will do as good of a job with our bullpen as last year. He has been with the organization since the mid-1990s, overseeing our unbelievably bad bullpens of 1997 (or so) through 2006. If the key to a successful ballclub is an efficient bullpen, Mizerock is certainly not a good start.
Mike Barnett, who guided the Royals through a pathetic offensive performance last season, inexplicably gets retained. Here are but a few of the Royals offensive statistics from 2007:
.261 BA (11/14)
.322 OBP (13/14)
.388 SLG (14/14)
102 HR (14/14)
706 RS (13/14)
660 RBI (14/14)
If we are to improve our offensive in 2008 (or find better ways to manufacture and score runs, as Hillman emphasizes), results like these simply cannot be repeated. The Royals lack of patience and complete dropoff in power ultimately falls back to the hands of Mike Barnett. His being retained is a poor move by Dayton Moore.
Luis Silverio, in turn, was a mediocre at best third base coach who is now going back to the position he held from 2005-06. I'm sure we'll see plenty of baserunning blunders on the left half of the infield next season.
The purpose of this diary is to get the RR faithful's thoughts on the newbies (Owen & Kuntz) and our previous organizational men (McClure, Barnett, et al).
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If managers are of little importance (2-3 wins)
by NYRoyal on Oct 23, 2007 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a really charismatic, but bad hitting coach
by royalsreview on Oct 24, 2007 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theoretically
by NYRoyal on Oct 24, 2007 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap... I wanted Barnett's ass to follow Fuddo
by grudz69 on Oct 23, 2007 5:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm just baffled that
by royaldaddy on Oct 23, 2007 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Owen
by doublestix on Oct 23, 2007 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense
by royaldaddy on Oct 23, 2007 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd base coach
by ksuroyal on Oct 23, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rusty Kuntz:
by raefzilla on Oct 23, 2007 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rusty Kuntz
by ksuroyal on Oct 23, 2007 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting coaches and pitching coaches
I'm not saying Barnett is good or bad. Same with McClure. I'm just saying that the love for McClure and the Barnett bashing sounds like standard fan knee-jerk reactions. If Player X, or Coach X or Manager X had a bad year in the most recent season, then he sucks, get rid of him. If it was a good year, then he's great, keep him! Seems a little facile, no?
by NYRoyal on Oct 23, 2007 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is precisely that kind of
by kjfinkes on Oct 23, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hackfest 2007 - Buddy or Barnett?
Who was pushing the Berroaesque hack-at-anything-that-moves philosophy last year? Buddy or Barnett? If it was Barnett I think he needs to be where young baseball players are not.
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hackfest 2007 - The ugly numbers
The Royals ranked 13 out of 14 in walks, and 13 out of 14 in OBP in the AL. I suspect hackapalozza also strongly contributed to the Royals finishing 14 out of 14 in slugging percentage. They were swinging at anything they could make contact with, not forcing pitchers to throw balls that could be driven.
What do you get for hacking away? Theoretically more base hits. And I guess this worked as the Royals were not in the league basement in terms of batting average. They finished 11 out of 14. Cold comfort there.
I won't be happy if Hillman bunts a lot next year, but as long as he promotes plate discipline he will compare favorably to Bell.
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hack hack bunt hack sit
They saw the fewest pitches in the AL. On average less than 3.7 pitches per plate apperance. I was surprise the number wasn't even worse. No wonder so many "Huh?" starting pitchers went seven, eight or even nine innings against the Royals last year.
But the Royals did finish second in the league in sacrifice hits. The Rangers actually put down more successful bunts than the Royals (57 vs. 41). Who knew the Texans were so fond of small ball? I wonder if the Royals attempted more bunts than did the Rangers? It seemed like three or four times a week Royals fans had to endure the double frustration of Buddy reflexively calling for a bunt and than watching PenaRightRrueJesusManosaurus not be able to get the ball down. It isn't just that Buddy called for a lot of bunts and stolen bases, he did so with a team poorly qualified to execute these plays. If you take away Emil's amazing 12 for 14 performance the Royals were successful only 61% of the time last year in stolen base attempts.
The Royals' "speed team"
German 11 for 18
DeJesus 10 for 14
Gathright 9 for 17
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DANGER-Will Smith!
by buddyball on Oct 24, 2007 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap,
Or it could mean that Barnett couldn't read Hillman's stone face and had no idea he had already been mentally fired.
Anyone know where I can track down the Ham Fighters team stats during the Hillman era? Maybe actual information will help clear up some of this.
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to read and navigate
by RoyalsRetro on Oct 24, 2007 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think their pitching has carried them
Anyway, the stats site, doesn't really compile things for you. This site looks like it has spreadsheet data which would make it easier to calculate things in relation to league averages and such: http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/stats.html
I don't have Excel on this computer though.
by mazoboom on Oct 24, 2007 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tracking Japanese stats is harder than bunting
by Yoda on Oct 24, 2007 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by BlueEyesAustin on Oct 23, 2007 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
move on this quickly
Seems like they could have spent an extra day glancing at last season's stat sheet and realized that the Royals were last in the major leagues in HRs, second to last in walks, second to last in SLG, second to last in total bases, and 4th to last in runs scored, and come to the conclusion that perhaps the Hitting Coach was to blame.
If Dayton has faith in the hitting coach, then it must be an indictment of the players. Maybe this just means Dayton's planning to bring in someone new at SS, 1B, and one or two of the outfield corners.
Otherwise, we're doomed.
by marbotty on Oct 24, 2007 6:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
Also, I like that they brought Mclure back, it seems like all the pitchers liked him and were happy he was back, Barnett's ass shoulda been canned, I remeber when Mizerock was the interim that Sweeney was quoted in the paper as saying how all the guys like him and at the time our captain was pining for Mizerock to be the new manager, and as for the others, they really don't matter that much to me
by fats on Oct 23, 2007 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Hillman will have more control
by grudz69 on Oct 23, 2007 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have been wondering
by gordonrules on Oct 24, 2007 1:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
barnett
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Oct 24, 2007 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i want to get the sweet first base coach job
by royalsreview on Oct 24, 2007 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also The Vital
by philofthenorth on Oct 24, 2007 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Barnett and Hillman have the same
by grudz69 on Oct 24, 2007 12:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't really have any complaints
Will we have a bench coach? I wouldn't mind if Trey hired someone with some managerial experience to be someone he can bounce ideas off of, and can guide him through the perils of MLB managing. Larry Dierker would be ideal, but even a crappy retread like Buck Martinez or Jim Tracy could fit the bill.
by RoyalsRetro on Oct 24, 2007 1:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
D'oh
by RoyalsRetro on Oct 24, 2007 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should McClure have been fired after 2006?
by NYRoyal on Oct 24, 2007 1:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I gotta call you on this comparisson
Mark Redman
Runelvys Hernandez
Scott Elarton
Luke Hudson
Odalis Perez
Jorge de la Rosa
Brandon Duckworth
Denny Bautista
Bobby Keppel
Joe Mays
Ambiorix Burgos
Joel Peralta
Jimmy Gobble
Elmer Dessens
Jeremy Affeldt
Mike Wood
Todd Wellemeyer
Joe Nelson
Andrew Sisco
Scott Dohmann
Oh, good times. good times.
Barnett, on the other hand, oversaw some horrible work by talented players:
Alex Gordon - underachieved to most observers.
Emil Brown - huge regression.
David DeJesus - significant step backwards.
Mark Teahen - power slump all year.
Mike Sweeney - never got on track.
Esteban German - fell from good to acceptable.
Ryan Shealy - almost hacked his way out of baseball.
Jason LaRue - the guy has hit in the past.
The only batters who improved in 2007 were Buck, Butler and Gathright. And Butler and Gathright were away from Barnett for much of the year. And what contributed to Butler and Gathright's improvement? I notice they were two of the few players on the club willing to go against the virtual team dictate and work a count. And Buck, some have argued poor coaching is what transformed his breakout season to just a marginal improvement.
I think it is much more reasonable to cut McClure some slack than Barnett. Then again, for all I know the batting problems lie with Buddy, not Barnett. Unless I find out Barnett was the Hack Doctor I'll just trust Hillman to make the right decision.
Heck, when a team's offense is as bad as KC's was in 2007, someone should fired! Someone, anyone. Justice just demands such things. Maybe this is one way to interpret Buddy's graceful but encouraged exit.
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My point is
I'm not defending Barnett. I don't know if he does his job well or poorly or somewhere in between. I don't think he's particularly important, regardless. But this mindless "look at the hitting stats; it's Barnett's fault" illogic always rubs me the wrong way. I'm not saying that is what you are doing, per se, JQ, but there is certainly a lot of that going on here.
Certainly, outrage at Barnett and his retention is silly at best. We have no idea how relevant he is. We're only guessing. I doubt big league hitting coaches do much, nor do they affect much.
Similarly, McClure gets praise heaped on him. He suddenly has Meche, Bannister, Greinke, Soria and Dotel and amazingly the pitching staff is a lot better. And he gets credit for that? Hilarious. Did he sign or trade for any of those guys? With better talent you get better results. Why does he get the credit?
by NYRoyal on Oct 24, 2007 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hitting/Pitching Coaches
1) From what I've read, most hitting coaches do damned little. They don't teach players how to hit. To the extent they know that, they know it when they get to the majors and they don't get re-taught. They do what they do. Typically hitting coaches will sometimes tweak stances or swings to help get a player out of a slump.
Why do hitting coaches ever get fired if they "do damned little" to start with and they don't actually have to teach anything, just tweak a little?
2)I doubt big league hitting coaches do much, nor do they affect much.
Why do we even need one then?
For some reason, those two questions popped into my head right away as I was reading your reply.
by MileHighKCfan on Oct 24, 2007 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good questions
- Part of it is tradition. But I don't think they are entirely useless. I think they can be helpful here and there in a pretty minor way. They might give a helpful piece of advice or tweak something that is helpful. They are a lot like first base coaches. They don't do much, but tradition says you have to have one.
- Even if you damn little, you can do it poorly in someone's eyes. And if that happens, you get fired. Or if there is a GM or managerial change, they might just clean house to bring in their own eyes. Or there might be a change in philosophy. Or they just might want to bring in someone new when things are going badly in the hopes that change in and of itself can help.
by NYRoyal on Oct 24, 2007 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always looking on the bright side, huh Leo?
You are entertaining, though.
by NYRoyal on Oct 24, 2007 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offense indefensible
by cookierojas73 on Oct 24, 2007 2:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's just an in-club guy
this is not cool
by LeoBloom on Oct 24, 2007 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rusty Kuntz...Rusty Kuntz....
by The Mustache of Balboni on Oct 24, 2007 3:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Reds pitching coach,
Why didn't he just go to Rich? Self hate?
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good to see the Miz is still drawing a paycheck
by FireBell on Oct 24, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Quick glance at the Fighters
Maybe just a bad year? More of the Hillman era:
2004 (Year 2)--476/995, 2.09 (okay, that's not bad)
2005 (Year 3)--349/1151, 3.30 (YIKES!!!)
2006 (Year 4)--335/934, 2.78 (that's Asian Championship Baseball--they didn't just win the Japanese Series, they also won the Asian Series against the best of China, Taiwan, and S.Korea).
An ominous sign? It may be, but out of context (who around here really followed Japanese baseball that closely until a week ago), who really knows? Maybe we should do a similar reconstruction of all of his Yankee minor league teams just to make sure. I think we may just be so desperate to talk about something that we're making too much out of nothing. Why don't we let Hillman and his new staff (well, it's new to him) actually coach the team for a little while and let them actually play some games before we adapt our real True. Feelin') Blue. Tradition. of expecting the worst out of anything the David Glass-owned Royals do.
by CentralChamps2009 on Oct 24, 2007 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
The beat goes on...
by NYRoyal on Oct 24, 2007 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please correct me if I'm wrong
I think most, if not all, readers of this site are a lot less finicky then you give credit, and will be willing to stand by Hillman even if he fails to to have a winning first couple of months, provided that he makes smart decisions. That was where Bell failed.
Sure, there will still be debates about whether the manager should have used Gobble instead of Riske in the 8th, or whatever, but those sort of questions are to be expected, particularly in a loss. It's part of the fun of being a fan.
While Bell was subject to this sort of scrutiny, and indubitably upset people with some of his decisions, this was not the primary reason why people didn't want him to manage the team anymore.
It was because he endangered his pitchers by letting them throw too many pitches, or because he didn't give young players a chance, or because he almost always assembled his starting rotation from the worst possible candidates, or because of those candidates he would stick with his worst performers (Lima, Redman, Elarton all come to mind) well beyond what would be considered reasonable to do so, or because he favored defense over offense (e.g. Larue over Buck, Minky over anybody, T. Long over anybody) even when it was painfully obvious that we needed to score more runs and the supposed defensive gains sometimes didn't actually exist.
These weren't tactical in-game decisions that a person could point to as a problem after the fact. These were deeply flawed strategic decisions that most reasonable people could see were mistakes far in advance.
The fact that Bell's in-game decisions were so laughable (e.g. pinch running Huber, then pinch hitting Pena a batter later) just added fuel to the fire.
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With Hillman, we have a manager that has taken bad teams and turned them into champions. With Bell, we have a manager that has taken several bad teams, and made them worse, sometimes historically so.
Provided Hillman makes smart strategic decisions, I don't think people are going to give up on him if we have a losing record through May, even if he makes a tactical error from time to time.
by marbotty on Oct 25, 2007 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Bell was conservative on pitch counts
by jbrocato on Oct 25, 2007 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was one of the things i liked about Bell
Meche surpassed 120 pitches twice, and around half of his games were for 110 pitches or more. It probably won't be a career ender, but why take chances?
The September 24th game, where Meche through 124 pitches was especially egregious, considering it was evident they weren't playing for anything at that point.
by marbotty on Oct 25, 2007 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion
If the team is losing next year, Hillman will get bashed. There will be a grace period. But the only question in my mind is will it be one month or two months. If the Royals underperform expectations, most fans will call for Hillman's head. It is as predictable as the tides.
by NYRoyal on Oct 25, 2007 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want to do the work
Anyway, runs scored: 526
Runs allowed: 489 (464 earned)
Pythagorean Win%: .533
Actual Win%: .549 (with ties)
The exponent should probably be different because a different amount of games. But close enough.
by mazoboom on Oct 24, 2007 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for posting this.
I hope the Royals show more plate disipline next year, but Hillman's recent past does not indicate this is one of his values.
Hillman did describe himself as an advocate of "big inning" baseball before he went to Japan. Big inning baseball is all about working the count, drawing walks, and forcing pitchers to give in.
We're getting conflicting information about Hillman. We'll just have to see how it plays out next year I guess.
by James Quinn on Oct 24, 2007 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry yet
Hillman sounds like he's gonna coach what he has, so if Dayton signs a masher or two and Gordon and Butler develop a lot in year two, he'll play for the big hits. If not, then he'll play small ball and rely on the pitching staff. Again, let's wait until something's happening to be coached until we start taking positions on the coaching. Until then (and even after then), what the front office does with the roster over the next three months is far more important.
by CentralChamps2009 on Oct 25, 2007 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
by Yoda on Oct 24, 2007 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Inning Baseball
by philofthenorth on Oct 24, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oooh, that's bad
by buddyball on Oct 25, 2007 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jack's beanstalk is sold.
by grudz69 on Oct 25, 2007 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Small Ball v Big Inning
by philofthenorth on Oct 25, 2007 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it is four latitudes south of the
by grudz69 on Oct 25, 2007 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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