Bannister Finishes 3rd in AL ROY Voting

by Royals Nation on Nov 13, 2007 12:59 AM EST

Bumped from the diaries... Young's second-place finish stunned me as well.-RR

Dustin Pedroia won this year's Rookie of the Year voting in a landslide, finishing with 24 first place votes over Delmon Young's three and Brian Bannister's one.

Player 1st place votes 2nd 3rd Total
Dustin Pedroia BOS 24 4 -- 132
Delmon Young, TB 3 12 5 56
Brian Bannister, KC 1 8 7 36

Pedroia: .317/.380/.442, 8 HR, 50 RBI, 39 2B, 165 H, 112 OPS+

Young: .288/.316/.408, 13 HR, 93 RBI, 38 2B, 186 H, 91 OPS+

Bannister: 3.87 ERA, 165 IP, 44 BB, 77 K, 27 GS, 1.21 WHIP

I'm quite stunned Bannister didn't finish ahead of young, at least. Although these votes were tabulated before the postseason, I'm still a little surprised Dice-K didn't finish higher on hype alone.

Young finished second this year. Stunning. RBI are extremely overrated. Alex Gordon's OPS+ was 4 points behind Young. Although Young finished with a high batting average, his OBP and SLG were pretty darn ugly.

Oh, and over in the National League:

NL voting Player 1st place votes 2nd 3rd Total
Ryan Braun, MIL 17 14 1 128
Troy Tulowitzki, COL 15 17 -- 126
Hunter Pence, HOU -- -- 15 15

Any thoughts on this year's ROY results?

My AL picks would have been:

Brian Bannister
Jeremy Guthrie
Dustin Pedroia
Daisuke Matsuzaka
Joakim Soria
Hideki Okajima
Delmon Young
Alex Gordon

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I think

It's hard not to give it to Pedroia. If Bannister hadn't tailed off at the very end of the year and had kept his low-3's era I would have said it should be given it to him.

Not only does Bannister have the natural disadvantage of only playing in one fifth of games, but he also didn't come up until May.

I'm dissapointed that Tulo didn't win, but Braun obviously had a ridiculous 2/3 of a year.

And yeah, Young is confusing.

by Moose Tacos on Nov 13, 2007 2:17 AM EST reply actions

Delmon Young

With regular playing time, Emil Brown would've posted almost exactly the same numbers.

Brown 2nd half: .296 .307 .390

As we all know, that's no great compliment.

Also, I posted this on an older diary, but I think it's worth repeating: Emil Brown walked THREE TIMES in the second half of 2007, TWICE INTENTIONALLY! (For comparison, Tony Pena, Jr. walked four times during that span.)

Anyway, I agree almost completely with your 1-8 picks, but I'd have to switch Bannister and Pedroia due to Bannister's lamentable (though not necessarily ominous) late-season collapse.

by andrewmiller on Nov 13, 2007 10:58 AM EST reply actions

thats huge...

I wonder if Emil was in full "i'm swinging for the fences" mode

seems like it

by Freneau on Nov 13, 2007 12:10 PM EST up reply actions

Vlademil Was In

Long fly ball mode; he's the sac fly king.

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2007 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

No problem with Pedroia

But I can't believe Bannister finished behing Young, that's ridiculous

And Tulo should have ran away with the NL vote, his win shares were higher and he had fewer errors at a tougher position, oh and didn't he help his team reach the World Series? It's ridiculous that they vote before the postseason

I may be drunk, but tomorrow I will be sober and you, ma'am, will still be ugly. - Winston Churchill

by fats on Nov 13, 2007 11:33 AM EST reply actions

Agreed

Pedroia is the right call in the AL. Tulo was robbed in the NL. He's the better all around player, but HR's are flashier I suppose. Ryan Braun's a great player, but Tulo really carried the Rockies in the playoffs. It would be nice to see him rewarded.

by lordbyronk on Nov 13, 2007 11:40 AM EST reply actions

Braun's numbers

are downright Pujolsian though

by Freneau on Nov 13, 2007 12:11 PM EST reply actions

sheehan on the ROY voting (its free today)

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=6925

by Freneau on Nov 13, 2007 12:22 PM EST reply actions

Bannister Benefited From

His teammates more than "the average bear"? Huh?

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2007 3:24 PM EST up reply actions

lol

yea...this guy has been slamming bannister all offseason so far. gawd he may regress a little, but he treats him like he's a piece of crap out there on the mound.

by doublestix on Nov 13, 2007 4:34 PM EST up reply actions

Sheehan

I believe that was a rarely used Yogie bear catch phrase "smarter than the average bear". And I'm sure he is referencing Bannister's run support and defense (the latter of which probably helped with his BABIP).

Guys at BP don't sugar coat anything...ever. They give it to you with both barrels and they rarely hedge (even when it is prudent to do so). That's why they've already said all kinds of not-so-flattering things about Bannister and will continue to do so unless and until he has another great season (and to some extent, they'll still do it). Be prepared for more statements such as referring to Bannister's good numbers as a "DIPS-induced fluke."

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Nov 13, 2007 4:40 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah, I Know

The bear reference, I just wasn't sure why Bannister was helped by his teammates more than the average pitcher. BABIP seems to be such a random stat that I can't place too much faith in it.

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2007 10:42 PM EST up reply actions

BABIP and RS

A good defense will help your BABIP. But I think Sheehan was mostly referring to Bannister's run support as compared to Guthrie, which is why Banny got 12 wins and Guthrie only got 7.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Nov 14, 2007 9:25 AM EST up reply actions

Jeremy Guthrie

Really got jobbed, didn't he? The only area where Banny was better than Guthrie is in W-L.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 13, 2007 2:23 PM EST reply actions

Season awards are a joke

The official awards, like MVP, CY and ROY are a joke. The voters value batting average, RBI, HR, team wins, pitching wins and ERA above everything else. For most of the voters, I think those stats are all they look at.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Nov 13, 2007 2:38 PM EST up reply actions

i loved this morning on sportscenter

when the dude from Hawaii annoucned the awards and said that Braun won because "the fans love offense"

umm... the fans didn't vote you mediot

Hillman, you're on notice.

by FireBell on Nov 13, 2007 2:51 PM EST up reply actions

NL ROY

Is a meaningless award for all involved. It does nothing to indicate a player's future prospect of success (See Angel Berroa) and unlike a Gold Glove award, Cy Young, or MVP it doesn't put performance incentive bonus money in the winner's pockets. It doesn't bring any recognition to the parent club other than wishy-washy news-bytes in visual and print media. All in all, it's a worthless award.

I am decidedly, stubbornly indifferent when it comes to the ROY.

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Nov 13, 2007 3:41 PM EST reply actions

I don't know why i prefaced my subject with NL

It should just be ROY

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Nov 13, 2007 3:41 PM EST up reply actions

I am glad that Bannister didn't win the ROY since

the Royals track record with ROY winners isn't so hot. Seems like a ticket for career suicide in KC.

by daveyork on Nov 13, 2007 6:40 PM EST reply actions

"Sweet Lou"

Piniella won it in the summer of '69 and things worked out pretty well for him.

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2007 10:45 PM EST up reply actions

Carlos Beltran

Turned out okay.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 13, 2007 11:18 PM EST up reply actions

I go with Tulo slightly

You have to appreciate Braun's power numbers. 153 OPS+ is amazing. I just like that Tulo played a full season, plus his pretty good defense (I saw him make an unassisted triple play, I know that's all luck, but it's gotta be worth a few votes!)

Braun played 40 less games than Tulo. Obviously he proved himself in his over 100 games, but if he had kept those power numbers through a whole season then I certainly would give the nod to Braun.

Well, I'm equivocating because it's close, they both deserved consideration.

by mazoboom on Nov 13, 2007 8:25 PM EST reply actions

Royals ROY voting through the years

1969 - Lou Piniella (won)
1971 - Paul Splittorf (5th)
1973 - Steve Busby (3rd)
1974 - George Brett (3rd)
1978 - Rich Gale (4th)
1981 - Mike Jones (4th)
1984 - Mark Gubicza (7th)
1987 - Kevin Seitzer (2nd)
1989 - Tom Gordon (2nd)
1990 - Kevin Appier (3rd)
1991 - Brent Mayne (8th - seriously?!?!?)
1994 - Bob Hamelin (won)
1995 - Jon Nunnally (8th), Tom Goodwin (9th)
1996 - Jose Rosado (4th)
1999 - Carlos Beltran (won)
2000 - Mark Quinn (3rd)
2003 - Angel Berroa (won)
2004 - Zack Greinke (4th), David DeJesus (6th), John Buck (8th)
2007 - Brian Bannister (3rd), Joakim Soria (7th)

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Nov 13, 2007 11:24 PM EST reply actions