Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: Four TCU Football Players Among 17 Arrested In Drug Ring

Nothing.

I got nothing. Nothing to say, no links to share, no real thoughts about anything. A tad burnt out. Dear old Monday, always waiting to hit us with a wallop.

• NHZ emailed me last week that he's working on long post breaking down the major Winter Meetings transactions. So keep your eyes peeled for that...

• I'm working on another Radio Affiliate Profile, this time highlighting one of the Kansas affiliates. Further information is top secret.

• Over at Viva el Birdos there's been a raging controversy about the proper use of diaries. What do you think about the diaries here? Do you read them? Are they high enough in quality? Are they redundant? Apparently on the eastern half of the State these are concerns.

• My completely off-topic random reading of mid-century English novels continues (my dissertation is on 18th C. Am poetry). This week I've been reading A Girl With Class by Dave Wallis. I haven't finished it yet, so I'm not sure where its going, but its so far doing a nice job of bringing together a variety of characters of sundry class and gender together in the world of 1950s London. As is often the case, I'm the first person at Iowa to check out the book in over 30 years.

• Off-topic discussion question: name a song that you consider to be a hidden, forgotten, or under-appreciated classic or jewel. I'll start, "No Myth" by Michael Penn.

I graciously invite your baseball chatter!

Comment 81 comments  |  0 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

With the exception of that one wack-o....
....Ross Gload's BFF whatever his name was, the diaries are always a big reason for me to peruse the site.  

I rarely have anything too detailed to say, and that pretty  much keeps me from posting a diary.  I would say that most who lurk on this blog probably feel the same way----thinking, "Why would I post a diary when it would look pretty ignorant next to what some of these guys are saying?"

That is to say, our diaries seem to be self-policing.

by kjfinkes on Dec 10, 2007 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

yea,
I didn't even mind his repetitive diaries that much. They had their own charm. The insane, over the top insults of everyone else was bad though.

by Freneau on Dec 10, 2007 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how you post this...
just as I am posting an entirely self-serving off-topic diary at the same time.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

I've been gone...
Where did the "Somewhere Becoming Rain" title come from?
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

its a line from a poem...
I've been playing around with the HTML of the site, it'll probably change pretty regularly.

by Freneau on Dec 10, 2007 4:18 PM EST up reply actions  

That reminds me
I forgot to tell you that I loved the "Jason Larue of the blogosphere." Classic.

by royaldaddy on Dec 10, 2007 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too
Although I would hate for the Cards fans to take over the ownership of being associated with LaRue next year...

by DarthYoshi on Dec 10, 2007 7:52 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah, I meant to comment on that one
it was fantastic
NYRoyal potentially was possibly maybe more correct than I might or might not have been!

by marbotty on Dec 11, 2007 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the diary
content is high. There are many original posts and many simply show snippets of other writers work on various websites for us to comment on. Both are valuable. As long as they are rational and generally respectful the more the merrier.

by djk royal on Dec 10, 2007 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

i really dont know what the VEB people
are so anxious about

but then again, they are cardinal fans

by LeoBloom on Dec 10, 2007 4:33 PM EST reply actions  

Diaries
Well, assuming everyone here has a mouse and a finger to use on said mouse, I think the Diary issue is a non-issue. If you like the diaries, use your finger to click on the mouse over the diary you want to read. If you don't like the diaries, then don't click on them. Pretty simple, which is probably why the Cards fans are having issues. After all, it would have been pretty simple to look at LaRue and say "no thanks", but they couldn't do that either.

by MileHighKCfan on Dec 10, 2007 5:08 PM EST reply actions  

I feel like Dylan is getting forgotten
especially since so much of his stuff isn't on the radio anymore since it isn't really part of the "classic rock" format

by FlintHillsRoyal on Dec 10, 2007 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

most dylan, yes
i am a "Tangled Up in Blue" fan myself

by Freneau on Dec 10, 2007 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Dylan Is Largely
Irrelevant in the pre post-post modern world.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Dylan is Largely
RELEVANT. Modern Times is a great album. He also has influenced many of today's artists. To say that he is irrelevant is stupid!
Sign Alex Gordon to a life time contract!!!

by eboston on Dec 11, 2007 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank You
Thank you very much.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2007 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Relavent/Irrelavent
I've always listened to old stuff but recently got Oh Mercy and Modern Times.  I enjoy them both.
I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Dec 11, 2007 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

about
about the pre post-post-modern world, I mean.

by Moose Tacos on Dec 11, 2007 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks Again
I'm thinking of copyrighting the term. Dylan said in a recent interview that he might have been an architect had he come along at the turn of the century (this last one) rather than the 60's.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2007 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Damn
That's a great song!
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2007 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Royals Review
Just continually impresses me. Whereas most open discussion forums usually degenerate into shouting matches, profanities, troll-bait, reducing the content to noise ratio, RR has consistently maintained a high level of decorum, high analysis content, and tremendous wit. I don't know if Will sets the tone for the rest of us, or if we're all just super guys (and girls), but I just wanted to give my kudos to everyone for being part of such a wonderful forum, easily my most favorite on the interwebs.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2007 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Second on that one
I go to other team's blogs sometimes to check out the chatter and there are always a few idiots who get into cussing matches, etc.  What a waste for the rest of us!

I enjoy the discussion and we can agree to disagree.  But there is a standard of behavior that I really enjoy about this group.  

This last two weeks of December will be long ones.  Do we want to open the can of worms that will be the Mitchell report?

by daveyork on Dec 10, 2007 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

That would/will be a problem
We currently comprise an intense core of "true" fans.  We are the kind of people who love baseball and will stick with our team come what may.  But when the Royals start winning fans will jump on the bandwagon.  More winning seasons will bring even more johnny-come-latelies.  A division title will bring a flood.  While that isn't a tgood thing, These are problems I'd like for us to have.
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2007 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

While watching the Eagles: Hell Freezes Over
last night on VH1 Classic, I was reminded that Glenn Frey did "The Heat is On" from Beverly Hills Cop. While that song is far from my favorite, it was a fairly awesome 80's tune that you rarely hear anymore.

by royaldaddy on Dec 10, 2007 6:23 PM EST reply actions  

That is a great song
Reminds me of two things - the 1985 Cardinals, who I believe adopted that song for their team that year.

It also reminds of a hilarious late 90's SNL sketch where Will Ferrel plays Glen Frey and Ben Stiller plays a guy who can get anyone to sleep with him - even Frey. Ferrell had the fantastic line:

"I'm Glenn Frey and guess what? The H is O."

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2007 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I tried to look that up
on youtube but couldn't find it. That sounds pretty funny.

by royaldaddy on Dec 10, 2007 7:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Click
On where I wrote "SNL Sketch"
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2007 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm such a dumbass.
I didn't even realize you gave me a link. Thank you though. That was pretty damn funny.

by royaldaddy on Dec 11, 2007 1:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The Heat Is On
The Omaha Lancers, some minor-league hockey team, plays that song when they score a goal I believe. Learned this from my g/f's 3-year old nephew.

by MileHighKCfan on Dec 11, 2007 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

BBWAA controversy
Don't know if anyone but a few nerds over at Baseball Think Factory are up on it, but there is a controversy over the Baseball Writers Association of America reviewing the application of eighteen internet writers into their association, a first for them, and accepting all but two of them - Keith Law and Rob Neyer.

The BBWAA is significant in that they are the voting body for MLB's significant awards - MVP, Cy Young, Rookie of the Year. They also give access to the press box and clubhouse for reporters.

The controversy is in question because Neyer and Law were supposedly rejected because they do not attend a sufficient amount of games per year. Neyer and Law feel it is because they have been critical of some members of the BBWAA and the association is holding a personal grudge. It is even more ridiculous when you see some of the BBWAA members on the Star - Jeffrey Flanagan, David Boyce and Jason Whitlock. You telling me Whitlock goes to 40 games a year?

At the center of it all is Kansas City's own Bob Dutton, President of the BBWAA. Bob has been gracious enough to explain what happened on numerous internet sites, and has pushed the association to be more inclusive.

Anyway, here's a thread where Joe Posnanski interviews Dutton, here's a thread where Maury Brown interviews Dutton, and here's an amusing 400 post thread where Keith Law, Rob Neyer both post, and Tracy Ringolsby of the Rocky Mountain News also posts, under a pseudonym and gets outed...all on a Friday night.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2007 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Underappreciated song
Off-topic discussion question: name a song that you consider to be a hidden, forgotten, or under-appreciated classic or jewel. I'll start, "No Myth" by Michael Penn.

That is an outstanding choice. A minor masterpiece of a song.

I always thought the Hooters 80s hit "And We Danced" was a song that really stood out in a decade full of electronic British pop as a good ol' fun song. It gets completely overlooked when people compile nostalgic set-lists of fun 80s songs.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2007 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

"Novacaine for the Soul"
By the eels. Very overlooked song. Just heard it on the radio. Beautiful and sardonic, just the way I like em.

life is white
and I am black
jesus and his lawyer
are coming back
oh my darling, will you be here
before I sputter out

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 10, 2007 8:46 PM EST reply actions  

"Macy's Day Parade" by Green Day
Not totally overlooked, just totally under appreciated for being one of those really weird, songs about nothing that makes you want to sing along nonetheless.

I think the diaries here are generally awesome, by the way. :)

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Dec 10, 2007 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

Mmm Mmm Mmm Mmm
by crash test dummies

or am i pushing my luck with that one

by Freneau on Dec 10, 2007 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

No, we'll accept that.
And I nominate "U + UR Hand" by Pink. :P
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Dec 10, 2007 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

CT Dummies
Great selection.  I'm pretty out of touch, so I can't say for sure what's been forgotten or is under-appreciated, but I definitely like that CD and song AND I believe it qualifies.
I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Dec 11, 2007 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Hidden, Forgotten or Under-appreciated
Music and sports...I love 'em both.  The love the topic of "hidden, forgotten, or underappreciated songs. Here's a list of songs that fit the category:

Rainy Day Woman - Waylon Jennings
Red Neck Friend - Jackson Browne
Every Grain of Sand - Bob Dylan
Ring them Bells - Boby Dylan
Low Spark of High Heel Boys - Traffic
Terry's Song - Bruce (Magic)
If I Had a Boat - Lyle Lovett
Telegraph Road - Dire Straits
Peace, Love & Understanding - Elvis Costello

I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Dec 10, 2007 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

"Red Neck Friend"
Was one of the songs I sang back in the 80's when I was just a lead guitarist and didn't sing much. Lovett's "If I Had A Boat" is a twisted classic.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 10:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Peace Love and Understanding
is actually written by Nik Kershaw.  The Costello version is a cover.  The funny thing, Kershaw intended the song to be kinda tongue-in-cheek.  "What's so funny about Peace, Love and Understanding?"  He think Costello missed the joke when he sang it with an air of sincerity.

None of this is to put down Elvis Costello.  The man is a gift.

by James Quinn on Dec 11, 2007 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Did not know that
Love the song though, in full sincerity. I really wanna hear the Kershaw version now.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2007 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Nick Lowe
While I appreciate Nik Kershaw's enduring single "Wouldn't It Be Good?, "Peace, Love and Understanding" was actually written by Nick "Jesus of Cool" Lowe.

by andrewmiller on Dec 11, 2007 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Some music maybe you will also like
I like Will's question about underappreciated songs.  For those Dylan fans, I couldn't recommend My Morning Jacket's first record (At Dawn) more strongly.  In fact, no one really has had a full life until they have listened to this record at least three times.

Richard Thompson has some great songs on Rumor and Sigh.  Some of my all time favorite lyrics on 1952 Vincent Black Lightning.  "I've seen you at the corners and cafes.  Red hair and black leather, my favorite color scheme."  For me Counting Crows first two records really hit the spot.  "A Murder of One" reached into that place inside me that responds positively to desperation.

And just tonight, Will's reference to "No Myth" reminded me of another song that just will never be heard often enough.  Dire Straits - Romeo and Juliet.  If you have a few minutes, do yourself a favor, pour a drink and give it a listen.  (Mullet-free version from 2006).

Come up on differents streets they both were streets of shame
Both dirty both mean yes and the dream was just the same
And I dreamed your dream for you and your dream is real
How can you look at me as if I was just another one of your deals ?

Where you can fall for chains of silver you can fall for chains of gold
You can fall for pretty strangers and the promises they hold
You promised me everything you promised me think and thin
Now you just says oh romeo yeah you know I used to have a scene with him.

That's some good stuff.

And I know everyone remembers Dexy's Midnight Runners from Come on Eileen, but their only two U.S. releases were rock solid records.  If you like wall of horns and wailing vocals, you probably will like this.  Does music like this still exist?

by James Quinn on Dec 11, 2007 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

romeo and juliet is awesome
back in college i had a friend who used to demand that we play it at the end of the night, when everyone was back in the dorms...

by Freneau on Dec 11, 2007 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Richard Thompson
My dad is a HUGE Thompson fan. I get worried about him if he hasn't listened to RT in a week or so. :)
"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Dec 11, 2007 2:57 AM EST up reply actions  

love Come On Eileen
Hadn't heard anything else by them.

I actually prefer the cover of Come On Eileen done by Save Ferris, part of the ska/punk movement of the mid-late nineties. If horns and wailing vocals are your thing, definitely check it out.

by Moose Tacos on Dec 11, 2007 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

It's Easy To
Assign meaning to lyrics, which is the songwright's good fortune. Paul Simon, one of the best song crafters of our time, once said all lyrics are too personal to understand, but everyone draws their own meaning from their own perspective. Knopfler is a fine guitar stylist and a pretty good lyricist, but I see nothing profound in those lyrics; that's probably just me.

That Dexy clip is excruciating to me; it's a British Isles reading of American Soul Music, which still exists abundantly and far better done than that. I did like "Come On Eileen", but look at the title; really!

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2007 1:15 AM EST reply actions  

I was just going to mention Paul Simon's
"Still Crazy After All These Years"

But can that song really be considered underappreciated or hidden?  It's on his greatest hits and there's a whole album named after it.  But I like it.

Also:
Any song off of Cake's Fashion Nugget album that isn't "The Distance"

And Finally:
After alt-country group Uncle Tupelo disbanded, it splintered off into two parts. One of these hit it very big in Wilco.  The less successful, but no less talented, was Son Volt  Good songs to get started off with are "No More Parades", "Windfall" or "Tear Stained Eye".

by marbotty on Dec 11, 2007 1:48 AM EST up reply actions  

grammar question
Does one put commas and periods before or after the quotation marks when discussing a title?  

(I also struggle with parenthesis. I blame having lived in a Spanish-speaking country. Their rules are in opposition to English, sort of a Bizarro-grammar, but I've been left unable to do write correctly in either language.)

by marbotty on Dec 11, 2007 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

In the USA
...commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks.  In the UK, they sometimes/often go outside the quotation marks.  But in the U.S. we use a somewhat odd rule:

My favorite books are "The Razor's Edge," "Time Enough for Love," and "The Numbers Game."

I can play many songs on the kazoo, including "Sounds of Silence."

Hideki Matsui's nickname in Japan is "Gojira."

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2007 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Razor's Edge
I'm not much of a reader.  I wish I was but I'm not.  Anyhow, I read Razor's Edge about 20 years ago.  In fact, I liked it so much, I read it twice.  I was just referencing a point it makes on the first page the other day and thought I need to find the book and read it again.  I'd like to see how it comes off to me at such a different point in my life.
I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Dec 11, 2007 7:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I have never really found lyrics, or poetry
for that matter, profound.  Sometimes moving, but I think it is very hard to say anything profound in so few words.  Those lyrics sung, they bring out a feeling.  Anyway, that is why I like the song.  This all applies to Bruce Springsteen also.

Regarding the Dexy song, I guess I am just a sucker for a well crafted wall of music fronted by an emotional voice.  It flips the whole experience.  The voice becomes the noise and the instruments become the crisp element.  I think that is the whole reason Nirvana worked.

Phil, you should post a few clips also.  Songs that you think might have slipped past us.

by James Quinn on Dec 11, 2007 1:54 AM EST up reply actions  

true or false
Modest Mouse's "Float On" and "Come On Eileen" sound as though written by the same band.

by marbotty on Dec 11, 2007 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, cant relate to the "College Rock"
some personal favorites:

Rush - In the end & La villa strangiato
Van Halen - Hot for teacher
Led Zep - No quarter/dazed&confused
Metallica - call of Ktula (hate black album on)
Megadeth - most everything on Rust in Peace
Pantera - same goes for the Cowboys&Vulger albums
Slayer - Reign in Blood & Dead skin mask

   I could go on for ever but will keep it brief...just wanted to throw a few out ther that wont likely get recognition here.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2007 2:26 AM EST reply actions  

Glad YOU said it...
I didn't want to sound like I was attacking anyone for their musical tastes or lack there of.
Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2007 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem is...
...that I genuinely like "wuss rock."
I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2007 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Heh, most of the time I can't either.
My music taste remains firmly rooted in bands that are full of people that are no longer alive. :)

Van Halen=good. Led Zep=essential

"True friends stab you in the front."-Oscar Wilde.

by NHZ on Dec 11, 2007 3:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Led Zepplin
I heard that they did a concert last night for the first time in like 27 years.
I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Dec 11, 2007 8:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Have faith,
Elvis is still very much alive ;)
Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2007 3:44 PM EST up reply actions  

These music tastes
Make me feel young again. Thanks guys.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 11, 2007 10:55 AM EST reply actions  

Before...
you go feeling too young, I heard the drummer for the concert was actually the original's drummer's son.
I don't fight extra players.

by paleblueeyes on Dec 11, 2007 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

a few more
Canadian Rose by Blues Traveler
The Divided Sky by Phish

I think Phish tends to get overlooked - either people love them or completely ignore them, it seems. Here is a link of them on Letterman, although I think this is not the setting where they are at their best: http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=yMjUR1ga5yM&feature=related

And, just for kicks, "Sneaky Blues" by Yuri Naumov. This guy is pretty amazing, I think, so check him out: http://ru.youtube.com/watch?v=0VNFH_Tuun4

by Moose Tacos on Dec 11, 2007 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

A couple thoughts
Will:

I love the diaries here. I try to post one a month that is fairly meaningful -- I just don't ahve much time to write with MBA school and upcoming law school, wife, 3 kids, and 4 cats. Oh, and the full time job.

I promise, someday, I will bust out a diary that blows all of your minds.

As for music, check out The Blue Scholars, which is a progressive, positive rap group from here in Seattle. The Dandy Warhols "Minnesoter" from "Come Down" springs to mind.

Toy Matinee's "Last Plane Out" and Aja West's "The Olympian" album (If you are into Jazz/Funk)

David Howard was just the beginning. Hopefully TPJ is the end.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Dec 11, 2007 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Dandy Warhols
I never really understood why they didn't become more popular. You hear their music in commercials all the time, particularly "Bohemeian Like You."
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2007 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

enjoying coming here . . .
i've found this website to be the upper-crust of all blogs,
sports-related or not.

everyone is cordial and intelligent and mindful of our shared love for
the venerable royals.

I get choked-up fantasizing about winning another World series after
all these years of adversity.  Close your eyes, picture it.  Soria
striking out Pujols or David Wright for the last out.  John Buck
throws off his mask and leaps into a pile of powder blue royals
jerseys that have converged just off the front side of the pitchers
mound.  Sorry, I just got goose bumps.

Underrated songs:
Black - Pearl Jam
Gulliotine Swordz - Raekwon the Chef of the Wu-Tang Clan
4th Chamber - Gza of the Wu-Tang Clan

by royalstern05 on Dec 11, 2007 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Kansas City Royals.

Managers

Cimg0036_small Freneau

Editors

Dayton_small Jeff Zimmerman

Authors

Royalsretro_small RoyalsRetro

Headshot_small Old Man Duggan