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OT: Baseball thesis topic help

I hope this is appropriate to post here, but I'd like some input from people who come to this site (because you guys are awesome and smart [you are Royals fans after all..and I'm done kissing up]).

I'd like to know what kinds of questions or things that you might like me to look at in my thesis (the abstract will be below)

I'd also like to see if anyone has an interesting or clever idea for a title...  

Star-divide

Here's my 1st draft abstract:

The purpose of this thesis project is to examine the effect of culturally derived game theory strategies on the success level of players in the game of baseball.  In addition,  I will reexamine issues surrounding both marginalization and centrality of players over time in the sport of baseball using new methods and statistics.  Specifically, I plan to look at both the influence of how various Latin American cultures teach the game in order to better ensure success of players at the MLB level versus how the game is taught in the United States and Japan.  In order to accomplish this goal, I will look at the factors that led Latinos to adopt baseball in their culture and how game strategies have been adapted to best get noticed by MLB scouts.  In this study, I will use advanced statistics referred to as SABRmetrics to evaluate player impact, performance, and playtime.  These statistics will then be compared to a number of other variables such as ethnicity, nationality and age to come up with a multi-factorial analysis of the effect of culture's influence on player success.

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wow, sounds interesting

Is there stuff out there on how the game is taught in Latin America and Japan?

I really like the part about using certain game strategies to get noticed ("nobody ever walked off the island").

As for American player development, how young are you talking? Charles Euchner's book, Little League, Big Dreams, while not scholarly, does a good job outlining the problems with elite youth baseball in America...

by royalsreview on Dec 10, 2007 4:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kind of...
there's a bunch of stuff on the history and changing dynamics of Latin American culture and baseball.  I can kind of tease out the encultration of baseball strategies from this.

My early research indicates that Latin American players tend to emphasize making contact (BB:K ratios are lower than people from other areas).  From this, I believe that they are trying to make bigger plays to get noticed.  Then, I'm going to look at isolated power over time to see if this is true and from there I have a couple of other things I'm going to do to see how this affects the number and playing time of Latin American players at the MLB level.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody Ever Walked Off the Island
Is actually not a bad idea...
Hillman, you're on notice.

by FireBell on Dec 10, 2007 5:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's kind of my own invention...
Game theory is something that math scholars tend to use to discuss various issues involving probability theory.  They tend to focus on games of chance (thus the name) though it isn't exclusive to games.  Physicists have begun to use game theory principles to explain string theory and biologists will use these principles in evolutionary theories.  

I am mixing this idea of evolutinary theories and culture as a sort of cultural evolution (though not in the racist ways of the past).  In this way, I am postulating that game strategies are a cultural resource that are taught to various people to maximize success using evolutionary theory.  That is, positive and successful strategies will be exploited while negative ones will be ignored or discounted.  These strategies are specifically designed to make players upwardly mobile.  Thus, things that help players make it to the MLB level from Latin America will be consistantly taught and thus a positive feedback loop will be created.  

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

is there alot written about the baseball academies
in Latin America?

I assume their main advantages are they can be all-baseball all-the-time, and that overall, they probably aren't that much more effective. We never hear about all the Dominican kids who never make it.

I am interested in the concept of what you are saying though. All us angry white guys tend to think that ALL youth sports are being ruined by AAU type stuff that doesnt stress the team game, etc. It'd be interesting if the opposite turned out to be true, that actually, other cultures are gearing their training towards individual advancement.

by LeoBloom on Dec 10, 2007 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There is a bit of writing on academies...
and it is quite interesting.  The baseball academy is a mesh of Latin American and United States theory in baseball strategies that give a unique teaching experience to those that participate.  
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn
I couldn't understand half of that
Let the losers worry about losin'

by ksuroyal on Dec 10, 2007 4:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I feel bad about that fact...
Scholarly writing is sort of designed to be obtuse for various reasons.

Positive reasons include:

  1. making writers look smarter for research grant reasons
  2. Creating a sense of unity and culture within specific subfields
  3. Creating a working language of ideas and concepts that are only useful inside a subfield
However, this also creates an elitist separation between scholars and non-scholars that I feel is extremely unhealthy and possibly damaging.  This is especially true in hard science and I don't think that the majority of hard scientists are aware (or even care) that they are creating this division that could potentially eliminate the lifeline between utility of research and the people who would benefit from the research.

Unfortunately, that is how it is done and one lowly anthropologist isn't going to change it.  Hopefully, the actual thesis itself won't be so obtuse (and it won't) as I will have ample space to explain various principles and give reasons for my reserach and the way I am doing it.  Abstract writing is an important skill but it is quite specific in that it focuses on the ability to consolidate information into a very small space.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Could
But I choose not to.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 8:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i like it
i've done similar stuff on voter makeup, how ethnicity, nationality, and culture affect the way one votes or acts politically.  i like it though, bc this would be far more interesting.  after all, it is baseball.  when you're done, i'd love to give it a read.  shoot me an email if you want.  hagertyp@slu.edu
Never giving up on your team is what makes you a good fan.

by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Dec 10, 2007 4:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure thing.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great Minds Think Alike
Either that, or I may have to sue you for plagiarism...(just kidding).  I wrote my senior thesis on the cultural history of the game spreading its wings globally at the turn of the century in Japan, the U.S. and ASAI.  My thesis was strictly historical - I'd be interested to see how you incorporate statistics into the argument. If you'd like, I think you can actually order a photocopy of my senior thesis from the Princeton library.  See the link below.  

http://libweb5.princeton.edu/theses/thesesvw.asp?Lname=gillespie&Fname=gen&Submit=Search& ;Title1=&Title2=&Title3=&department=&Class=&Adviser=

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 10, 2007 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ASAI
Should actually read "Cuba."  I have no idea how that happened.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 10, 2007 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome...
Anthropology and Sociology of sport seems to be a growing subfield.  I'm kind of sad that I'm not going to continue this research for my Phd.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one of the first long papers i wrote in college
was on sports in northern ireland

its an interesting field

by royalsreview on Dec 10, 2007 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure
Soccer games are a true religio-cultural battleground in the Scottish premier league. The history of conflict. cannot be ignored in those games   Then again, things have come a long way there.  It's bettter to have the conflicts be confined to hooligan fights in a game between the Glasgow Rangers and FC Celtic than bombings in Belfast.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 11, 2007 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you gonna setup the japanese as...
the extreme team play/non-individual

by royalsreview on Dec 10, 2007 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,
I'm not really going to do much with the Japanese or Japanese culture.  I think that would increase the scope and complexity to way beyond what I can accomplish as a Master's thesis.  
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 5:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Being a history buff...
Is there anything out there that compares and contrasts the African American experience breaking the color barrier and the Hispanic experience of breaking that barrier?   I will plead stupidity here but who was the first Latino to play in the majors?

Your thesis sounds interesting and I too would like to read it.  Good luck...

by grudz69 on Dec 10, 2007 4:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Definitely...
It's quite interesting that you ask that.  Before the color barrier was broken, Latino players were chosen based on skin color as to what league they would play.  Darker Latino players actually played in the Negro Leagues while lighter Latinos could play in the majors.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you should talk to gary sheffield
he has thoughts on this

by FlintHillsRoyal on Dec 10, 2007 5:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's f&#*ed up
That is, word for word, what my professor told me yesterday.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 5:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds very interesting
Though I would not attempt to read it, no offense to you at all, because I just can't follow stuff like that. There are posts here on RR that I regularly have to read multiple times to understand, and even then there's a possibility that I won't understand it at all.

I think it is wonderful that you have chosen the great sport of baseball to be a part of your thesis, and I wish you the best of luck.

"However, this also creates an elitist separation between scholars and non-scholars that I feel is extremely unhealthy and possibly damaging."

You can count this backwoods country boy as one of the "non-scholars", that's for sure.

by MileHighKCfan on Dec 10, 2007 5:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

endlessly fun...
is playing around with the Place of Birth Report on baseball-reference

http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/placeofbirth.shtml

Hillman, you're on notice.

by FireBell on Dec 10, 2007 5:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You have no idea!
That thing is such a life saver...trying to operationally define race and ethnicity is quite tricky.  Baseball-reference has saved me so much time.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2007 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's awesome.
"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 11, 2007 10:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so other than ISO
what are you going to look at?

anything re: pitchers

by FlintHillsRoyal on Dec 10, 2007 5:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

No pitchers at this time...
BB/K ratios, VORP, Games played by position, and ISO are the main things...but I'm going to look at them through a couple different lenses.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 10, 2007 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is obvious
that cultural differences between the US, Japan, and Latin Countries result in different approaches to the best way to play the game - but agree that quantifying that would be extremely difficult.

Sounds like whatever you do, it will be more interesting than the average thesis...

by loyal2s dad on Dec 10, 2007 7:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

One more idea
Any chance that the same sort of strategies have evolved for various parts of North America? For example, do Canadian prospects, (or for that matter, northern US prospects), evolve differently due to their conditions, which limit potential exposure to scouts due to shorter playing seasons, etc.?

by loyal2s dad on Dec 10, 2007 7:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This probably doesn't help, but...
It looks like you have a good handle on this and how to attack the subject already.  One thing that I would include, or at least explore, is the angle of (North) American cultural imperialism.  We spread baseball throughout Latin America, using those countries as talent pools for professional baseball industry.  I have a feeling that this leads a great many Dominicans, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, Panamanians, Venezuelans and more to chase the dream of wealth and fame in American baseball, perhaps to the exclusion efforts which are more likely to actually do them any good, such as education and training which could lead to a good job or career.  Of course, this is probably off the topic of your thesis.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 10, 2007 10:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This Is The Story
Of poor black youth in the U.S. and sports in general, the NBA in particular.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 10:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly
And I don't know why it would be different for American baseball and Latin Americans.  And there is a long history of American culture spreading to other countries, and doing a wide variety of unintended damage.
I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Dec 10, 2007 11:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Unintended (Collateral) Damage"
Is the hallmark of every empire, and make no mistake, we were an empire in the latter half of the 20th century.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 11:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Definitely...
This is a good portion of the background portion of my thesis.  It's pretty darn interesting actually.  Baseball is seen as a force for upward mobility both in current times and historically.

Baseball came into Cuba directly from the United States.  It came to D.R. from Cubans who were fleeing their civil war in the 1890s.  It came to Brazil from Japan and much of the game is played by people of Japanese heritage.  

In D.R., baseball leagues were started by sugarcane refineries and people who would play on the teams were given special privileges not given to those who didn't play.  This led to many players from D.R. spending free time practicing the game.  

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 8:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

various comments on style and a possible title
I'm working on my dissertation, so writing style is pretty high on my priority list at the moment.  I think to analyze certain things effectively, one needs an academic tone.  That said, I am a historian, not an anthropologist, so I find certain scholarly terms to be empty and fairly unhelpful.  

I would be careful in using the term "game theory" in order to avoid confusion, unless you have a very mathematical argument. I also think "game theory strategies" is somewhat redundant and inelegant. I would caution you not to fall into a "jargon trap." Phrases like "playing strategies" fit better and could make the argument flow more freely.  They still hint at "game theory" without making that trendy phrase seem forced into the argument.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "marginalization and centrality" of players.  Are you getting at how different cultures (and/or time periods) value certain types of players (e.g. contact vs. power vs. speed vs. OBP-oriented approaches)?  I think this should be clarified.

Those things aside, I do think this thesis could develop into something rather exciting.

Re: a title, I would consider developing something from the phrase "Diamonds in the Rough," (if you don't think that sounds cliche) especially given your stated theory that Latino players try to stand out so they can leave their impoverished surroundings.

Here's how I would rework your opening paragraph. Basically, I streamlined it and varied your vocabulary a bit (e.g. you don't need both examine and reexamine in  successive sentences):  

"This thesis will examine the effect of culturally-derived game strategies on the success level of professional baseball players.  In addition, it will deal with issues surrounding both marginality and centrality of players over time, using new methods and statistics.  Specifically, I plan to look at how various Latin American cultures teach baseball in order to better ensure players' success at the major league level in comparison with how the game is taught in the United States and Japan. I will do this by looking at the factors that led Latinos to adopt baseball in their culture and how game strategies have been adapted to ensure notice by Major League Baseball scouts.  In this study, I will use advanced statistics known as SABRmetrics to evaluate player impact, performance, and playing time.  These statistics will then be compared to several other variables, such as ethnicity, nationality, and age, to come up with a multi-factorial analysis of the effect of culture and nationality on player success."

by mikewormdog on Dec 11, 2007 5:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Game theory strategies"
Good catch...I actually had taken that out of one of my drafts, but apparently it's still in this one.

I do talk about game theory in some depth in my thesis and the thesis is pretty heavy in statistics and math.  

Centrality and Marginilzation are explained in the thesis also...but not in the opening abstract.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 8:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FYI
Marginality is the tendency to exclude non-white players of marginal ability in favor of whites.  I'm going to look at this issue over time through a pretty simple analysis of looking at average value of players between groups.  If there is a significant difference on average, then likely the group that has a higher average tends to exclude marginal players.

Centrality is the tendency to exclude non-whites from playing position that control action of teammates.  In baseball, these positions tend to be catcher, second base, and shortstop.  This is also a pretty easy analysis based on looking at playing time between groups.

These kinds of studies have been done before; however, their concepts of race/ethnicity were flawed.  A black player was often classified by looking at a photograph and deciding if the player "looked" black.  However, modern anthropologists (and biologists) look at race as a social rather than a biological construct (the biological race argument is very weak) and as such, outsider perspective isn't a useful tool for identification by itself.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for clarifying
Anthropologically speaking, is race what one first thinks of in terms of centrality and marginality?  You might want to make a quick comment on that if not.

So there will be some discussion of how players are treated at the major league level after they have left their home countries. Are you getting into potential race issues in Latin baseball you alluded to (are black and Spanish players treated any differently or attributed different skill sets based on stereotypes?) These issues are, of course, present with American players as well. Or are you trying to stay out of the race game altogether (which isn't necessarily a bad idea)?  

by mikewormdog on Dec 11, 2007 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm..
I am exploring the issues of centrality and marginality in terms of ethnicity/nationality rather than race.  Previous studies have tried to approach these issues in terms of race with, I think, pretty iffy results.  Ethnicity (Latino vs non-Latino) is a much more easy thing to operationally define and given that ethnicity tends to correlate better with culture than race does...I think it will be much more illuminating.

I have previously looked at stereotypes statistically (sample size of over 500) and I found a couple of interesting things, but I purposefully biased the study by only looking at players with more than 500 PAs in a season.  Of course this decision made any attempt to look at marginality moot.  Interestingly, there does tend to be a few true stereotypes.

  1. Latinos tend to play shortstop more often than non-Latinos.  Non-latinos tend to play 1B more often than Latinos
  2. Latinos tend to walk less and strikeout more than non-Latinos.
I would have loved to get into a black versus white dynamic (especially given the controversy of earlier this year), but like I said above, without asking each individual ball-player...I have no good way at coming up with racial identity.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree. With an extra side of grit.
Respectfully,

Denny Hocking

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 11, 2007 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1
Especially as regards game theory, which should be avoided based on my understanding of what your thesis is about. I am assuming, though, that you want to stick to the anthropological side, and bringing in game theory would be a whole different animal.

Another trap: the phrase "to better ensure player's success at the major league level." There is a difference between this and "to increase the chances of getting noticed by mlb scouts," and as it stands I am not really sure what you are getting at.

On a separate note, are we allowed to split infinitives now? Anyone have any strong opinions on this?

by Moose Tacos on Dec 11, 2007 8:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Spliting infinitives...
My thesis has so much mass that it is able to split infinitives!

Seriously though, my paper is both an anthropological and a game theory study.  Game theory is basically just a fancy way of saying  that one is looking at how participants use cost/benefit analysis to come up with some sort of "optimal" behavior.  In this case, whether certain stratgies have enough of an advantage to help players at the MLB level and if so, whether this creates a positive feedback loop between current MLBers and the next generation of players.

Unfortunately, I have to use MLB level success as an indicator of "getting noticed."  It's not perfect, but the logic is that players who made it to the MLB level and had at least one at-bat were successful in terms of upward mobility.  If this trend of playing time for Latino players increases over time, then perhaps this is due in some part to game strategies.

Obviously, there are other reasons that there might be an increase of Latino players over time, but this is only a Master's thesis.  Usually these things are used to prove that one can create a working project and execute and the content tends to be something along the lines of here is a potentiality that will be further researched in one's dissertation.  However, my dissertation work will be on my original topic and so any further research will either be done by someone else or by me a few years down the line.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 9:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I guess
I guess I am having trouble seeing what direction you are going in.

As for getting noticed, it would be interesting if you were able to extend it to getting an at bat in the minor leagues. This would be a better proxy for "getting noticed," and it would also be interesting to see if failure (not making the majors) rates are different. A different failure rate could be a sign of either managerial bias, failure to adapt to a different culture, or the set of skills that leads to getting signed being different from the set of skills that leads to success.

by Moose Tacos on Dec 11, 2007 10:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...
I really wish I could do that second part and that was part of my original project, but I frankly don't have the time to get into minor league ball.  That's probably best left for future research after I start and finish my PhD or for some other person to take on.  

Sorry about not being clear enough about my direction.  If you're interested, I could send the entire thesis once its finished.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

split infinitives
Even though they're grammatically "incorrect," lots of newspapers allow split infinitives, even the NY Times, I seem to recall.  I generally don't like them (I just didn't notice this one.), but sometimes they convey what the writer means better than non-split infinitives.

For example, "to better ensure success" sounds better to me, at least, than "better to ensure success"  and is different in meaning from "to ensure better success."  Lots of these situations can be remedied by turning infinitives into gerunds ("ensuring better success"), but I still think split infinitives sound better sometimes.

Maybe it's Star Trek's fault: "to boldly go where no man has gone before" sounds a bit better than "to go boldly..." I could get behind "boldly going," though.

by mikewormdog on Dec 11, 2007 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...
It still sounds like a change of meaning to me.  

"boldly going" implies an action that is currently being taken while "to boldly go" seems more like an aspiration of something that one hopes to consistently do.  

That's just me though...I don't place a lot of value on being grammatically correct.  

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick Google Search
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/hgroteva/innergeek/2007_01.html
In Stephen Wilbers' "Effective Writing" column (Star Tribune, 1-15-07), he wrote about split infinitives. My eighth grade take-no-prisoners English grammar teacher, Miss Mary Buckingham, taught us NEVER to split infinitives. (NOT to never split infinitives.) Well, Wilbers takes a more moderate stance, which I follow in my own writing and appreciate. What I didn't know was the origin of the no-split-infinitives policy. He noted that the origin of this rule was with Robert Loweth, who tried to import his knowledge of Latin into the English language. "Because the infinitive is a single word in Latin, and therefore cannot be split, he reasoned (wrongly, to my mind), it should not be split in English. Before he wrote his unfortunate book, few English speakers gave it a thought." I'll never feel guilty about splitting an infinitive again - if it makes sense to do so. And I'll be a bit more tolerant of my students' usage as well. To quote Wilbers' conclusion today: "So we can say to boldly go in good consencience."

Other entries point out the Norman invasion and the upper classes speaking French, which also has one word infinitives, as the reason this became the rule in the resultant "English" language that developed in the merger of old English and French. The rule against ending sentences with a preposition may have a similar origin.

Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2007 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here's what I want to know...
How do you end up getting to study baseball for your degree?  And how did my life get so off track?

by Bornin85 on Dec 11, 2007 11:20 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It helps...
to have your committee head leave and being force to drastically change topics in midstream.
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Are you going to look at how
baseball was also spread among white population.  Like how it was originally a WASP only game then slowly they integrated other ethnicities into.  I think this would go good with how/why Japanese and Latin countries adopted it.     For a title how about the Evolution and Spread of Baseball.  If you want it to sound more scientific add Across Cultural and Ethnic Populations.

Good luck

by TXroyal on Dec 11, 2007 12:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Kind of...
I'm not really looking into Japanese baseball at all but I am looking at how it was adopted and changed in Latin countries (other than Brazil).
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Brazil is not a true Latin country though
still I get what your saying.  How long do you think it will take you to write this?

by TXroyal on Dec 12, 2007 3:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know...
that's why I was leaving Brazil out.

It should take most of the next semester.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 12, 2007 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i find it interesting that
baseball is a middle-class game in the U.S.A and is supposedly too expensive for many lower class groups to play here

but in the caribbean, this doesnt seem to be a problem

by royalsreview on Dec 11, 2007 5:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

They're innovative and driven
In dealing with 1) a lack of equipment; and 2) a lack of money to purchase equipment.  When I was in the DR, I saw young kids playing in the streets barefoot with obviously homemade wood carved bats and handmade balls.  hell, Vlad Guerrero said he even used to play the outfield without a glove when he was young, and he still doesn't wear batting gloves.

I mean, seriously, if an MLB manager wants true grit they just need to go watch a street game of beisbol down there.

"I'm tired of all these stupid a$$ questions every day. Why the f**k would I hit Brett for Miller?" The rest is history.

by DC Royal on Dec 11, 2007 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Was Not A
Poor black child, but many of them were better off financially than I was. I played a year of organized softball, age 7-8, with a glove I found in a vacant lot. It had no padding, just one layer of leather. The guts had been ripped out of it. I caught the ball in the trap whenever possible. My brother who was in the Air Force sent me a glove from Japan when I started playing hardball the next year.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2007 7:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thank you everybody...
Reading these comments have really helped me shape my proposal into a slightly new and definitely more focused direction.  There were some things that I had decided to leave out or not focus on...that I have now placed back in rather than some other things that were interesting but not really on topic.  

Thank you again and I hope to provide a link that anyone interested can access when I finish in April/May.

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Dec 11, 2007 10:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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