OT: Baseball thesis topic help
I hope this is appropriate to post here, but I'd like some input from people who come to this site (because you guys are awesome and smart [you are Royals fans after all..and I'm done kissing up]).
I'd like to know what kinds of questions or things that you might like me to look at in my thesis (the abstract will be below)
I'd also like to see if anyone has an interesting or clever idea for a title...
Here's my 1st draft abstract:
The purpose of this thesis project is to examine the effect of culturally derived game theory strategies on the success level of players in the game of baseball. In addition, I will reexamine issues surrounding both marginalization and centrality of players over time in the sport of baseball using new methods and statistics. Specifically, I plan to look at both the influence of how various Latin American cultures teach the game in order to better ensure success of players at the MLB level versus how the game is taught in the United States and Japan. In order to accomplish this goal, I will look at the factors that led Latinos to adopt baseball in their culture and how game strategies have been adapted to best get noticed by MLB scouts. In this study, I will use advanced statistics referred to as SABRmetrics to evaluate player impact, performance, and playtime. These statistics will then be compared to a number of other variables such as ethnicity, nationality and age to come up with a multi-factorial analysis of the effect of culture's influence on player success.
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wow, sounds interesting
Is there stuff out there on how the game is taught in Latin America and Japan?
I really like the part about using certain game strategies to get noticed ("nobody ever walked off the island").
As for American player development, how young are you talking? Charles Euchner's book, Little League, Big Dreams, while not scholarly, does a good job outlining the problems with elite youth baseball in America...
Kind of...
My early research indicates that Latin American players tend to emphasize making contact (BB:K ratios are lower than people from other areas). From this, I believe that they are trying to make bigger plays to get noticed. Then, I'm going to look at isolated power over time to see if this is true and from there I have a couple of other things I'm going to do to see how this affects the number and playing time of Latin American players at the MLB level.
Nobody Ever Walked Off the Island
by FireBell on Dec 10, 2007 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's kind of my own invention...
I am mixing this idea of evolutinary theories and culture as a sort of cultural evolution (though not in the racist ways of the past). In this way, I am postulating that game strategies are a cultural resource that are taught to various people to maximize success using evolutionary theory. That is, positive and successful strategies will be exploited while negative ones will be ignored or discounted. These strategies are specifically designed to make players upwardly mobile. Thus, things that help players make it to the MLB level from Latin America will be consistantly taught and thus a positive feedback loop will be created.
is there alot written about the baseball academies
I assume their main advantages are they can be all-baseball all-the-time, and that overall, they probably aren't that much more effective. We never hear about all the Dominican kids who never make it.
I am interested in the concept of what you are saying though. All us angry white guys tend to think that ALL youth sports are being ruined by AAU type stuff that doesnt stress the team game, etc. It'd be interesting if the opposite turned out to be true, that actually, other cultures are gearing their training towards individual advancement.
There is a bit of writing on academies...
Damn
by ksuroyal on Dec 10, 2007 4:23 PM EST reply actions
I feel bad about that fact...
Positive reasons include:
- making writers look smarter for research grant reasons
- Creating a sense of unity and culture within specific subfields
- Creating a working language of ideas and concepts that are only useful inside a subfield
Unfortunately, that is how it is done and one lowly anthropologist isn't going to change it. Hopefully, the actual thesis itself won't be so obtuse (and it won't) as I will have ample space to explain various principles and give reasons for my reserach and the way I am doing it. Abstract writing is an important skill but it is quite specific in that it focuses on the ability to consolidate information into a very small space.
I Could
by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
i like it
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Dec 10, 2007 4:32 PM EST reply actions
Great Minds Think Alike
ASAI
That's awesome...
one of the first long papers i wrote in college
its an interesting field
I'm sure
Being a history buff...
Your thesis sounds interesting and I too would like to read it. Good luck...
by grudz69 on Dec 10, 2007 4:57 PM EST reply actions
Definitely...
you should talk to gary sheffield
by FlintHillsRoyal on Dec 10, 2007 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
That's f&#*ed up
Sounds very interesting
I think it is wonderful that you have chosen the great sport of baseball to be a part of your thesis, and I wish you the best of luck.
"However, this also creates an elitist separation between scholars and non-scholars that I feel is extremely unhealthy and possibly damaging."
You can count this backwoods country boy as one of the "non-scholars", that's for sure.
endlessly fun...
http://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/placeofbirth.shtml
by FireBell on Dec 10, 2007 5:10 PM EST reply actions
You have no idea!
Ed Porray
Born: December 5, 1888, on a Ship in the Atlantic Ocean
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2007 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
That's awesome.
so other than ISO
anything re: pitchers
by FlintHillsRoyal on Dec 10, 2007 5:17 PM EST reply actions
No pitchers at this time...
I think it is obvious
Sounds like whatever you do, it will be more interesting than the average thesis...
by loyal2s dad on Dec 10, 2007 7:08 PM EST reply actions
One more idea
by loyal2s dad on Dec 10, 2007 7:11 PM EST reply actions
This probably doesn't help, but...
by Scott McKinney on Dec 10, 2007 10:39 PM EST reply actions
This Is The Story
by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
by Scott McKinney on Dec 10, 2007 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
"Unintended (Collateral) Damage"
by philofthenorth on Dec 10, 2007 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely...
Baseball came into Cuba directly from the United States. It came to D.R. from Cubans who were fleeing their civil war in the 1890s. It came to Brazil from Japan and much of the game is played by people of Japanese heritage.
In D.R., baseball leagues were started by sugarcane refineries and people who would play on the teams were given special privileges not given to those who didn't play. This led to many players from D.R. spending free time practicing the game.
various comments on style and a possible title
I would be careful in using the term "game theory" in order to avoid confusion, unless you have a very mathematical argument. I also think "game theory strategies" is somewhat redundant and inelegant. I would caution you not to fall into a "jargon trap." Phrases like "playing strategies" fit better and could make the argument flow more freely. They still hint at "game theory" without making that trendy phrase seem forced into the argument.
Also, I'm not sure what you mean by "marginalization and centrality" of players. Are you getting at how different cultures (and/or time periods) value certain types of players (e.g. contact vs. power vs. speed vs. OBP-oriented approaches)? I think this should be clarified.
Those things aside, I do think this thesis could develop into something rather exciting.
Re: a title, I would consider developing something from the phrase "Diamonds in the Rough," (if you don't think that sounds cliche) especially given your stated theory that Latino players try to stand out so they can leave their impoverished surroundings.
Here's how I would rework your opening paragraph. Basically, I streamlined it and varied your vocabulary a bit (e.g. you don't need both examine and reexamine in successive sentences):
"This thesis will examine the effect of culturally-derived game strategies on the success level of professional baseball players. In addition, it will deal with issues surrounding both marginality and centrality of players over time, using new methods and statistics. Specifically, I plan to look at how various Latin American cultures teach baseball in order to better ensure players' success at the major league level in comparison with how the game is taught in the United States and Japan. I will do this by looking at the factors that led Latinos to adopt baseball in their culture and how game strategies have been adapted to ensure notice by Major League Baseball scouts. In this study, I will use advanced statistics known as SABRmetrics to evaluate player impact, performance, and playing time. These statistics will then be compared to several other variables, such as ethnicity, nationality, and age, to come up with a multi-factorial analysis of the effect of culture and nationality on player success."
"Game theory strategies"
I do talk about game theory in some depth in my thesis and the thesis is pretty heavy in statistics and math.
Centrality and Marginilzation are explained in the thesis also...but not in the opening abstract.
FYI
Centrality is the tendency to exclude non-whites from playing position that control action of teammates. In baseball, these positions tend to be catcher, second base, and shortstop. This is also a pretty easy analysis based on looking at playing time between groups.
These kinds of studies have been done before; however, their concepts of race/ethnicity were flawed. A black player was often classified by looking at a photograph and deciding if the player "looked" black. However, modern anthropologists (and biologists) look at race as a social rather than a biological construct (the biological race argument is very weak) and as such, outsider perspective isn't a useful tool for identification by itself.
thanks for clarifying
So there will be some discussion of how players are treated at the major league level after they have left their home countries. Are you getting into potential race issues in Latin baseball you alluded to (are black and Spanish players treated any differently or attributed different skill sets based on stereotypes?) These issues are, of course, present with American players as well. Or are you trying to stay out of the race game altogether (which isn't necessarily a bad idea)?
Hmm..
I have previously looked at stereotypes statistically (sample size of over 500) and I found a couple of interesting things, but I purposefully biased the study by only looking at players with more than 500 PAs in a season. Of course this decision made any attempt to look at marginality moot. Interestingly, there does tend to be a few true stereotypes.
- Latinos tend to play shortstop more often than non-Latinos. Non-latinos tend to play 1B more often than Latinos
- Latinos tend to walk less and strikeout more than non-Latinos.
I agree. With an extra side of grit.
Denny Hocking
Just thought I'd drop in.
Craig Paquette
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 11, 2007 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Another trap: the phrase "to better ensure player's success at the major league level." There is a difference between this and "to increase the chances of getting noticed by mlb scouts," and as it stands I am not really sure what you are getting at.
On a separate note, are we allowed to split infinitives now? Anyone have any strong opinions on this?
Spliting infinitives...
Seriously though, my paper is both an anthropological and a game theory study. Game theory is basically just a fancy way of saying that one is looking at how participants use cost/benefit analysis to come up with some sort of "optimal" behavior. In this case, whether certain stratgies have enough of an advantage to help players at the MLB level and if so, whether this creates a positive feedback loop between current MLBers and the next generation of players.
Unfortunately, I have to use MLB level success as an indicator of "getting noticed." It's not perfect, but the logic is that players who made it to the MLB level and had at least one at-bat were successful in terms of upward mobility. If this trend of playing time for Latino players increases over time, then perhaps this is due in some part to game strategies.
Obviously, there are other reasons that there might be an increase of Latino players over time, but this is only a Master's thesis. Usually these things are used to prove that one can create a working project and execute and the content tends to be something along the lines of here is a potentiality that will be further researched in one's dissertation. However, my dissertation work will be on my original topic and so any further research will either be done by someone else or by me a few years down the line.
I guess
As for getting noticed, it would be interesting if you were able to extend it to getting an at bat in the minor leagues. This would be a better proxy for "getting noticed," and it would also be interesting to see if failure (not making the majors) rates are different. A different failure rate could be a sign of either managerial bias, failure to adapt to a different culture, or the set of skills that leads to getting signed being different from the set of skills that leads to success.
by Moose Tacos on Dec 11, 2007 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yes...
Sorry about not being clear enough about my direction. If you're interested, I could send the entire thesis once its finished.
split infinitives
For example, "to better ensure success" sounds better to me, at least, than "better to ensure success" and is different in meaning from "to ensure better success." Lots of these situations can be remedied by turning infinitives into gerunds ("ensuring better success"), but I still think split infinitives sound better sometimes.
Maybe it's Star Trek's fault: "to boldly go where no man has gone before" sounds a bit better than "to go boldly..." I could get behind "boldly going," though.
Haha...
"boldly going" implies an action that is currently being taken while "to boldly go" seems more like an aspiration of something that one hopes to consistently do.
That's just me though...I don't place a lot of value on being grammatically correct.
Quick Google Search
In Stephen Wilbers' "Effective Writing" column (Star Tribune, 1-15-07), he wrote about split infinitives. My eighth grade take-no-prisoners English grammar teacher, Miss Mary Buckingham, taught us NEVER to split infinitives. (NOT to never split infinitives.) Well, Wilbers takes a more moderate stance, which I follow in my own writing and appreciate. What I didn't know was the origin of the no-split-infinitives policy. He noted that the origin of this rule was with Robert Loweth, who tried to import his knowledge of Latin into the English language. "Because the infinitive is a single word in Latin, and therefore cannot be split, he reasoned (wrongly, to my mind), it should not be split in English. Before he wrote his unfortunate book, few English speakers gave it a thought." I'll never feel guilty about splitting an infinitive again - if it makes sense to do so. And I'll be a bit more tolerant of my students' usage as well. To quote Wilbers' conclusion today: "So we can say to boldly go in good consencience."
Other entries point out the Norman invasion and the upper classes speaking French, which also has one word infinitives, as the reason this became the rule in the resultant "English" language that developed in the merger of old English and French. The rule against ending sentences with a preposition may have a similar origin.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2007 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Here's what I want to know...
It helps...
Are you going to look at how
Good luck
Kind of...
Brazil is not a true Latin country though
i find it interesting that
but in the caribbean, this doesnt seem to be a problem
They're innovative and driven
I mean, seriously, if an MLB manager wants true grit they just need to go watch a street game of beisbol down there.
I Was Not A
Thank you everybody...
Thank you again and I hope to provide a link that anyone interested can access when I finish in April/May.

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