Winter Meetings Day One Open Thread
The fun starts now.
Oh to be an ex-jock or an Ivy Leaguer and in the employ of a baseball team this weekend. The rumors, the cell phones, the random player and second wife appearances, the hotel bar, whispers in the lobby, the vague internet rumors, and on and on. Ah, Nashville! Oh, Nashville!
Of course, we'll be here all December long on Royals Review, leeching of the coverage of the professionals and providing knee-jerk reaction to the moves as they come in. As you did last year, I hope you make RR one of your regular internet stops during the Winter Meetings.
Last year, we were all caught unawares by the Gil Meche signing, which quickly became one of the stories of the winter. The Meche signing was quickly followed with a string of lesser deals, including the snagging of Dotel, who for almost a full month was the living embodiment of Royal Pride. Meanwhile, some guy named Soria became the steal of the Rule 5, I'm sorry, the "Rule V Draft".
- Unlike the Meche blindside, I believe we've entered Year Two of the Guillen-to-KC rumors, or perhaps it just seems that way. For an excellent post on the strangeness of baseball morality and the Guillen situation, check out Lookout Landing.
- Two Royals mentions (or is it "Royal mentions"?) over at Baseball Prospectus today. Will Carroll (did we ever figure out what the Carroll-Sterger connection was exactly? thats got to go down as one of the most random name drops ever) mentions in his first "Will's Mill" post that the Royals are surprise players. Great. Because we all found the rumors that Dayton wanted Toriiiiiiiiiiii Hunter and Andruw Jones so intellectually reassuring. Meanwhile, John Perrotto mentions that the Royals are looking for a power bat, and may be shopping DeJesus and Gobble. Now let us pause and try to name our favorite offensive move made by Dayton... Shealy! LaRue! Gathright!
- JQ's already done a gentlemanly job breaking down the Dutton story in Sunday's Star on the Royals' finances. Congrats to the Royals on making "$1 million" in profits last year. I guess its a sign of progress that bonus cries of losing money aren't acceptable anymore, instead, bonus cries of incredibly small profits are. Of the wonders of the human mind, there is no limit to our praise.
- The sister piece to the financial story is another Dutton story on Moore's approach to free agents. According to Dutton, the Royals head to the Winter Meetings, with "$25 million in spendable cash". What the story fails to mention is that they'll also be bringing with them $7 trillion in un-spendable cash.
- According to Dick Kaegel, Royals fans are hoping this year's Winter Meetings are an encore of the last.
- Kaegel also offers a Winter Meetings Checklist, that sums up all the off-season transactions thus far.
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FIRST!
Oh wait... just a winter meetings post...
by Randa4life on Dec 3, 2007 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am sure Scott Boras jumps into the hotel
by James Quinn on Dec 3, 2007 9:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
$25 million
by Sisquatch Kids on Dec 3, 2007 10:42 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
We sign Jason Jennings - 1 year $8 million with an option
We trade Joey Gathright to Texas for a minor leaguer
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 10:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cubs shopping Matt Murton?
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 11:01 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I just saw that
by Sisquatch Kids on Dec 3, 2007 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd pass on Murton
by DC Royal on Dec 3, 2007 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is more of a sure thing than Teahen though
by FireBell on Dec 3, 2007 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He might provide a better 4th OF option
by lordbyronk on Dec 3, 2007 12:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
probably yes
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Craig Brazell
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 11:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, sadness
Maybe the Royals could sell Berroa to a Japanese team? After Peral Harbor and all a bit of pay back might still be in order.
by James Quinn on Dec 3, 2007 12:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How is it
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Because only the foks here at Royals Review
Did Gload not explode!
Did Berroa not suck!
Did Buddy not turn out to less than a baseball genius!
How many times must RR be right before Dayton Moore just becomes our tool?
Plus, now that Brazell is a Japanese player everyone will want him to sign with the Royals! He played this situation perfectly!
by James Quinn on Dec 3, 2007 12:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It goes without saying
by DC Royal on Dec 3, 2007 12:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno...
any word on how much he's making in Japan?
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 12:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what they said
Granted, you have busts too, but I think Brazell deserved a shot somewhere stateside.
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's what they said
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's a difference
As for Pena, people forget that he was a top prospect for years. At one time he was the top rated position player prospect by BA in both the A's and Tigers systems. He always had monster power, but he struck out way too much. His learning curve was just longer and steeper than you'd expect.
Brazell, meanwhile, has never been a top prospect. The Mets didn't want him. The Royals didn't either. Brazell is much more Calvin Pickering or Kit Pellow than he is Cust or Pena.
by DC Royal on Dec 3, 2007 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you had me until that last line
Actually, though, even calling Brazell a Brandon Berger isn't all that fair to Berger -- as Berger had a career minor league OPS 40 points higher than Brazell (.810 to .850).
As far as Calvin's concerned, I don't think Pickering really ever got a fair shake -- only 268 at bats total in the majors, and even then he didn't really do all that poorly, either (.757, very good slugging).
He has a career .948 OPS in the minors, which should have been good enough to stick as a DH somewhere, but he just didn't physically resemble the prototypical baseball player, so I don't think he got a shot. Sorta like Kucinich and the presidency. There's really no other excuse for a team as offensively starved as the Royals of the last 10 years to give up on a player that hits a .838 in his last decent-sized sample in the pros.
by marbotty on Dec 3, 2007 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who will be the first ex-Brave Dayton snags?
Brayan Pena
Buddy Caryle
any other guesses?
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 11:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully Andruw Jones
by DC Royal on Dec 3, 2007 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Pete Orr
Plus, with Matt Stairs gone, and Ryan Braun possibly slated for Omaha, Orr fufills our Canadian quota.
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete Orr fits perfectly
by FireBell on Dec 3, 2007 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dark Horse candidate
I would be glad to trade in Smith for Giles.
by James Quinn on Dec 3, 2007 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hall shuns Royal legends
It is now up to Dayton to avenge such disrespect of Royal-ty by owning the winter meetings.
by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 3, 2007 12:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Next years Winter Meetings Locale...
by FireBell on Dec 3, 2007 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, looks like the ROyals are out of the
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 12:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Missed it by that much
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 12:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
they wanted Gobble
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't give up on it quite yet
Gobble, Duckworth and Costa should be enough to get him.
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we should mortgage the future
by marbotty on Dec 3, 2007 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not so fast
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/neal/?p=282
So we're still in it!!!!!
by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 3, 2007 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love how...
or, not
actually, everyone is back except the manager
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 12:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What is the market for David Eckstein?
by daveyork on Dec 3, 2007 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not interested
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Quentin to the White Sox
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 1:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Quentin's star has fallen far
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if that's all it took
by marbotty on Dec 3, 2007 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think there is a reason
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kuroda
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We're still in it
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 2:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More positive news
From Rosenthal via MLBTR.
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is really important to Kuroda
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
less positive news
What's the point, other than he and Colby Lewis would make for pretty good bookends of below average pitchers in the rotation?
I guess Clement could pull a Meche, but if we end up landing him, it would qualify as Moore's most Baird-like move to date.
by marbotty on Dec 3, 2007 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What if...
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm down with that
With Colon I'd be willing to go a little bit higher.
by marbotty on Dec 3, 2007 3:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Shelton?
Speaking of right-handed corner bats, Chris Shelton has been designated for assignment by the Tigers. Shelton fell out of favor in Detroit after slumping in 2006, but he's still just 27 years old and has hit .281/.348/.477 in 899 big-league plate appearances along with .311/.410/.500 in over 2,000 trips to the plate in the minors.
How about Brad Wilkerson (one of the top-10 free agents in SLG) and Shelton as a two-for-one low cost not-getting-suspended alternative? Or Shelton alone as Guillen's suspension replacement and a 4th OF/1B/PH?
by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 3, 2007 2:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like Wilkerson
As far as Shelton, I like Shelton, I think he can help a team, but we already have a lot of 1B/DH types (Butler, Gload, Huber, Shealy) that all have flaws. We don't really need another.
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We already have two Wilkersons
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Little power?
I don't think it would cost much at all to get him. It would be a gamble sure, he strikes out a ton and his average is low. But I think he could make a good backup plan to Guillen.
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's look at some more stats
I guess I don't mind Wilkerson being on the list as long as he's below Jones, Guillen, Fukudome, and Jenkins (if we can get a decent platoon partner for him, like Bobby Kielty).
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wilkerson has above average power for OF
For Wilkerson, his ISOP the last four years have been:
2004 .243 (.236 on road/.251 at Olympic Stadium)
2005 .157 (.157 on road/.159 at RFK)
2006 .200 (.227 on road/.170 at Arlington)
2007 .233 (.207 on road/.259 at Arlington)
He posted .200+ ISOP on the road for the Rangers, so it is not driven by his cozy home ballpark. As a corner outfielder, he has moderately above average power, and significantly more than DeJesus (2005-07: .152, .151, .112 ) or Teahen (2005-07: .130, .227, .125).
The problem with Wilkerson, as noted above, is that he makes so little contact to provide much help.
by Gopherballs on Dec 3, 2007 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I care about production, not tools
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Understanding a player's skills
Segregating out how a hitter performs is very helpful. For a guy like Wilkerson, we can see that he hits for good power, he takes walks at a fair clip (yet down from his best years), but makes so little contact that his overall value falls pretty far. If you could see a reason to suggest that he likely will improve his contact rate (the one part of his game that is bringing him down), Wilkerson would be a great player to target because the power and walks are already there. Unfortunately, in Wilkerson's case, there is little reason to expect Wilkerson will fix his contact problem. But because the next player may have a fixable problem, the analysis is certainly worth doing.
Looking only at past production is the Allard Baird way.
by Gopherballs on Dec 3, 2007 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Production is essential
In evaluating a player, you must always look at past production. Not just career numbers, but particularly the most recent three years. For a player who is no longer in his developing/improving years, I don't much care what his tools/skills are if he hasn't been able to turn those skills into actual production on the field.
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 5:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers lowballing Jones
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 2:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm, interesting
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take it
by eboston on Dec 3, 2007 3:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
by eboston on Dec 3, 2007 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why trade either?
by DarthYoshi on Dec 3, 2007 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What Middle IF?
by eboston on Dec 3, 2007 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To add to that
by eboston on Dec 3, 2007 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uribe
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 4:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
by DarthYoshi on Dec 3, 2007 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Elijah Dukes
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Gotta love the sources of these rumors, how funny would it be if Bowden knows somebody else by the name "Elijah"?
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Bowden is Muslim
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure his skirt-chasing fits that program
by LeoBloom on Dec 3, 2007 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dukes
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dukes is a major scumbag
Since 1998, he has been arrested 6 times on charges including possession of marijuana, assault, and resisting an officer. On May 23, 2007 it was reported that his wife filed a restraining order after he threatened to kill her.[1] On June 12, 2007, a 17 year-old foster child, who was living in the care of a relative of Dukes, accused him of impregnating her. Police say the sex was apparently consensual, and no crime was committed, but they are investigating. When the girl confronted Dukes, he allegedly got angry and threw a bottle of Gatorade at her.
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Listen up DM
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Other News
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The year of insane relief pitcher contracts
But the market insanity probably won't be limited to relievers. Silva, Lohse, Colon, Clement and others are still unsigned. Some really bad contracts could and probably will be given to some of those guys.
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or middle infielders...
by DarthYoshi on Dec 3, 2007 4:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and I am looking for a date with
by James Quinn on Dec 3, 2007 6:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Always figured
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a team to talk trade with...
by eboston on Dec 3, 2007 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If he couldn't hit in Boston
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We do have
by eboston on Dec 3, 2007 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No to Pena but yes to Guillen?
Guillen
2005 WAS .283/.338/.479
2006 WAS .216/.276/.398
2007 SEA .290/.353/.460
Career: .274/.325/.447
Pena
2005 CIN .254/.304/.492
2006 BOS .301/.349/.489
2007 BOS .218/.291/.385
2007 WAS .293/.352/.504
Career: .260/.316/.472
Two of Pena's season's were in pretty severe hitters parks, but his most recent performance in the same stadium Guillen played in seems to be a potential upward trend.
Regardless, aside from a terrible half season in Boston this year, I see a pretty consistently high SLG% around .500 for Pena the last 3 years. Factor in that he's coming up on his peak seasons, he's a great candidate to outperform Guillen over the next few years.
Also, in a weird bit of trivia, it appears the guy that Pena was traded for was the same guy that was traded away to get Carlos Quentin (Chris Carter.)
How did the White Sox have him? Was this a typo?
http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/mlb_experts/post/Arizona-sells-low-on-Quentin;_ylt=Apg0OU8lKGOr.O4M xxISG1ARvLYF?urn=mlb,56054
by marbotty on Dec 3, 2007 3:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problems with Pena
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey
by eboston on Dec 3, 2007 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it wouldn't take a lot
One other thing I noticed about his stats is that he's had a higher percentage of AB's against lefties (which is to be expected from a RH part-time player). And he hits lefties very well, but not doesn't hit righties well at all. So he looks a lot more like a good bench player or platoon partner than a regular starter. If we signed Jenkins to a one-year deal and platooned him with Pena, that would be a decent LF option. But, again, it would be just a one-year stopgap. I'd prefer a long-term solution.
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And, with regard to Guillen
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Different Chris Carter
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 4:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nats OF
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dukes to Washington
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 3:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Player to be named later
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
PTBNL
"UPDATE, 12-3-07 at 4:19pm: The Rays will receive a 20 year-old southpaw starter named Glenn Gibson. Gibson was actually rumored way back on November 14th in this deal and the Nats didn't want to part with him. He's said to have a "decent fastball, very good curve, and tons of polish." Scratch what I said about getting Dukes for nothing; Gibson is something. He's been compared to Will Inman but with a little more projection.
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 3:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So Nats starting OF
Dukes CF
Kearns RF
Pena 4OF
That's pretty solid. Dukes behavior is reprehensible, but I think he can play if given the chance.
by lordbyronk on Dec 3, 2007 3:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Until he gets suspended
And then of course there's the .709 OPS he managed in 2007...
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i love this time of year...
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Had the same question
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amy Nelson
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN/Steve Phillips...
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Bedard might not be Santana, but he's damn good and probably under-rated... We should make a play... (i know this won't happen...)
by royalsreview on Dec 3, 2007 5:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bedard
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are we at the point
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you trade
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Our significant trading chips
Gathright
Gobble
And you can add in guys like Buckner and/or Nunez. Those guys aren't the kind of players who are going to get you an elite player in trade. But some of them could get you a good, young player. Next offseason, there will be a thin crop of FA CFers. That would be a good time to shop DeJesus, as he will still be under a cheap contract for multiple years, and hopefully he will have had a bounce back 2008.
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock to the Cards?
"Here's a good one from Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News. Grant admits this is dangerous, unsubstantiated rumormongering. Is there any other kind? The buzz is Hank Blalock to the Cardinals for Scott Rolen and Chris Duncan. Interesting, though we know the Cards are very reluctant to trade Duncan.
Both Blalock and Rolen carry injury risk, so maybe that cancels out. But Blalock only has $12MM left on his deal while Rolen has $36MM and a no-trade clause. Even if you consider Blalock for Rolen an even swap, Duncan probably isn't worth the $24MM salary difference.
Also from MLBTR.com
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There has to be more to this one
by lordbyronk on Dec 3, 2007 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
salary dump...
by LeoBloom on Dec 3, 2007 5:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, maybe not after all
by MileHighKCfan on Dec 3, 2007 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld sez
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LAME first day so far...
by LeoBloom on Dec 3, 2007 6:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
First day of Winter Meetings
2006:
Atlanta Braves signed Buddy Carlyle as a free agent.
San Francisco Giants signed Pedro Feliz as a free agent.
Seattle Mariners signed Jose Guillen as a free agent.
Texas Rangers signed Vicente Padilla as a free agent.
Boston Red Sox signed Kerry Robinson as a free agent.
On Wednesday though, the Royals traded for Brian Bannister. And on Thursday they signed John Bale, Octavio Dotel, released Runelvys Hernandez and picked up Joakim Soria.
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At BP's Rum,or Mill
by LeoBloom on Dec 3, 2007 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we're holding out for less
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 6:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Johnson
DeJesus, cf
Grudzie, 2b
Johnson, 1b/dh
Butler, 1b/dh
Gordon, 3b
Guillen, lf
Teahen, rf
Buck, c
Pena, ss
Another interesting name we could take a run at is Bobby Crosby, if we could get the A's to take on most of his salary. He's got talent but has had injury problems.
by doublestix on Dec 3, 2007 7:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Johnson
by NYRoyal on Dec 3, 2007 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well
I'd still try and get him, I don't think he would require too much compensation to the Nats.
by doublestix on Dec 3, 2007 7:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crosby
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 3, 2007 9:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
according to MLBTR...
supposedly 3 years for 11-12 million a year.
i dont like guillen all that much, but he is the best available option. i trust GMDM more than most, so i think he will turn out all right...
by rockchalk on Dec 3, 2007 11:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably
I'd rather it be 3/30 than 3/33, but with every team awash in money, the price for free agents is going to go up every year. You can't judge this year's contract by last year's standard. The price for any player is whatever the market will bear. This year's contracts are bigger than last year. Next year's contracts will make these contracts look small and reasonable.
The bottom line is that Moore had money and saw a big need and he has gone out to fill that need. Given the market and the available options, I think he's done as good a job as is reasonably possible.
by NYRoyal on Dec 4, 2007 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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