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Deadspin Versus Baseball Prospectus...

Apparently, the people at Get Untracked have recently done a blog entry on the negativity of the stat-oriented BP and how they may NOT be the most negative site on the web regarding sports.  

http://getuntracked.blogspot.com/2007/03/bp-hope-and-faith-versus-deadspin-snark.html

Surprisingly, the people at Get Untracked have decided to completely ignore the existance of the Royals (see the two comments toward the end of the page of the above article).

In the interest of Royal fandom, here is the season preview off of Deadspin.  This one is written by Bradford Doolittle from the Kansas City Star.  

http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/baseball-season-preview-kansas-city-royals-241517.php

Baseball Prospectus is obviously saving the best for last as KC hasn't been previewed quite yet.  However, the following is the front page of the BP season preview project.  Hopefully BP will soon show the glory of the Pena, Jr. Trade.  Yes, it must be in all caps.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=228

For completionists on this ongoing and tragic story, here is Deadspin's response on their negativity.

http://deadspin.com/sports/baseball/we-are-more-depressing-than-baseball-prospectus-245568.php

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One of the Deadspinner comments about the Royals
"so... we're previewing minor league teams now too?"

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Mar 26, 2007 1:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice
i enjoyed the royals preview in deadspin, but it was nothing special...

i am definitely a completionist

by royalsreview on Mar 26, 2007 1:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BP negativity?
As Deadspin says,  "Baseball Prospectus are grumpy Guses always spoiling their fandom with their facts, figures and logical, reasoned analysis."  I don't see how this "spoils fandom."  I want intelligent, reasoned analysis.  If I wanted rah-rah cheerleading BS, I'd limit myself to the Royals official site where everything is positive all the time.  I want to know the reality.  I want an objective appraisal.  And BP gives it unapologetically.

This isn't negativity.  They are negative when the analysis points to negative conclusions.  They are positive when the analysis points to positive conclusions.  They say all kinds of negative AND positive things about players, teams, managers, front offices, etc.

The anti-stat crowd might complain about the stat-heavy approach of BP.  Well, get over it.  If you'll actually look into it, they don't say that statistical analysis is the be all, end all of baseball analysis.  They don't say that PECOTA projections tell you exactly how a player is going to perform.  That is just one intelligent way to predict future performance.  Just because they say the Royals or Yankees are going to win X games, that doesn't mean they will.  It just means that one objective projection system predictions that.

I've also heard that statheads like BP are "ruining baseball."  That criticism is more mindless drivel.  Statistical analysis is just an additional way to look at, think about and understand the game.  For those that don't like it, please disregard it.  But for those who want a fuller understanding of the game, then please enjoy.  But I don't see how looking at the game another way and understanding it better "ruins baseball."

I, for one, love the fact that intelligent baseball analysis now has more intelligence, thoughtfullness and logic in it now, and less gut feeling, guess work and blind traditionalism.  BP and SABR have a lot to do with that.

by NYRoyal on Mar 26, 2007 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For the record...
I'm not one of the people who think BP is negative and I'm probably more stat-oriented than most people in terms of any activity (sport or not).  
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Mar 26, 2007 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I thought so
And my comment wasn't directed at you in particular.  I just don't understand Deadspin's stance that BP is somehow negative.  Also, I wanted to defend BP against some of its weakest but most common complaints.

by NYRoyal on Mar 26, 2007 2:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BP
is not really negative, they are sometimes sarcastic, which makes their work entertaining and informative to read.  
lordbyronk

by lordbyronk on Mar 26, 2007 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly
its just another weird misconception... BP=negative

try watching or reading ESPN.com sometime... its an endless crisis, everything sucks, steroids, BCS etc

by royalsreview on Mar 26, 2007 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Endless Crisis
like the endless A-Rod articles (insert-Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, steroids)?  Who cares?  Just play baseball already.  
lordbyronk

by lordbyronk on Mar 26, 2007 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know why
the pecota cards for players on the Baseball Prospectus website always skip over 2004?  

I was looking up a bunch of people earlier today and they all had comments from around 96-03 and then 04-06 (Sweeney, Roger C., Sosa, Damon, Maddux, etc.)

"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Mar 26, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

copyright issue
their old publisher owns the content

by royalsreview on Mar 26, 2007 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think y'all probably know that...
...I hold BP in high regard. Deadspin just seems like a glorified forum a lot of the time.
"Your best? Losers always whine about 'giving it their best.' Winners go home and fuck the prom queen."

"Carla was the prom queen."

by NHZ on Mar 27, 2007 11:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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