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We've talked about this a lot, but I thought you all might like to see this. I'm largely in agreement with the view that, as infuriating as Buddy is, it probably doesn't make a lot of difference to wait until the end of the season. Also, we're more likely to hire somebody good in the offseason.

Ken Rosenthal on managers that could be fired:

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/6817896

The part about Buddy:

Buddy Bell, Royals

There's little evidence to suggest that Bell is the right choice to spark the Royals' turnaround. There's also little reason to dismiss him before his contract expires at the end of the season.

Bradford Doolittle of the Kansas City Star points out that of the 116 managers who have managed at least 1,000 games, Bell owns the second-worst career winning percentage, .413. Of course, the quality of Bell's teams has something to do with his record -- and the 2007 Royals are another stinker.

Granted, Buddy Bell isn't given much to work with, but his record is still less-than-stellar.

Bell is one of the game's most respected figures, and general manager Dayton Moore isn't likely to embarrass him, particularly when he lacks an alternative. Another disappointing finish, however, will give Moore the justification he needs to replace a manager he inherited after taking over last season.

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Did I miss something?
Is Buddy Bell really "one of the game's most respected figures?" I like Rosenthal OK (as a reporter, his analysis isn't as bad Morgan or Phillips, but he ain't exactly Bill James), but this sounds insane.

Then again, the league and teams hold up Tony LaRussa as a character man, so what do I know?

by Matt Klaassen on May 18, 2007 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I've heard about 100 people
call Buddy a "good baseball man," which I think means he is respected.

Rosenthal is good, if only for how prolific he is.

by Moose Tacos on May 18, 2007 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Out of those managers rumored to be fired...
and the ones that might be on the market, who would you guys wanna replace Buddy with.  Exclude any in house candidates like Frank White because that will just get a bunch of people complaining about my boy Frank.

I like Mark Hargrove or if he gets fired Eric Wedge.

If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would!

by greggagneHOF on May 18, 2007 2:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Wedge a lot
Don't know if he will become available. Joe Girardi would obviously be at the top of the list. I think we absolutely must get someone from a winning organization - not simply promote someone from within this losing organization because they were a hero in the past. I would consider:

Terry Pendleton, Braves hitting coach
Scott Ullger, Twins 3rd base coach
Tony DeFrancesco, A's minor league manager
Trey Hillman, Nippon Ham Fighters manager, former Yankees minor league manager
Joel Skinner, Indians bench coach

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 18, 2007 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot about Girardi!
Thats my choice, but if we wait until the end of the season do we still have a shot at him?
If you were a hotdog would you eat yourself? I know I would!

by greggagneHOF on May 18, 2007 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girardi is going to the Yankees
when they fire Torre (or when he retires..one of the two).

by Stook on May 18, 2007 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Girardi
Would be a long shot at best for us.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 18, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Good baseball man"
Sounds like a management equivalent to "specialist"

Hargrove? The guy from Seattle?

Wedge seems good, but sometimes makes strange choices. Obvious improvement over Buddy, but that's not saying much. Seems to understand basic statistical principles, so GMDM isn't going to like that. Bonus points if he grows back his awesome pornstache.

by Matt Klaassen on May 18, 2007 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Retro's List
is interesting in focusing on a lot of non-experienced managers, and that may be a way to go.  Pendleton jumps out immediately due to being in the Braves system (plus, a former Royal).

I also like the idea of Buck Showalter--he's two of three for being the guy to manage you right up to the brink of your World Championship year (1996 Yanks and 2001 Diamondbacks) and may have had better luck in Texas had some pitching ever come along.  Even there, a bunch of young prospects developed correctly there (Texiera, Young, et al.) as opposed to KC's list of flameouts.  I thought he should have gotten the job when Pena got it (I believe he wanted it).

Super Terrific Happy Hour Choice:  although he's got baggage in the US and apparently is just short of god status in Japan (check out SI's "NFL Draft Preview" issue for a great story), no one would ever accuse Bobby Valentine of lacking passion.  That one's probably wishful thinking, but I remember Posnanski writing about it when Fuddo got hired, and it seemed Valentine would have had some interest.

by CentralChamps2009 on May 18, 2007 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I forgot managers with experience
I would love Bobby V, but I rather doubt he'd want to come here.

I've always thought Buck Showalter was waaay overrated. Fans love him becuase they love managers that are tough on players, and many fans think their team is just a bit of hustle away from being a contender. The truth is, Showalter's teams generally don't win unless management spends a bunch of money. And that ain't gonna happen here.

There aren't a whole lot of managers with experience currently available that would interest me much. Larry Dierker won and has great ideas on pitching and is open to stats, but he's been away from the game for awhile. Joe Girardi would obviously be a great candidate, but I don't think he'll come here. Art Howe is a pretty hands-off guy, I wanted him to get the job over Buddy when he interviewed before, but honestly, I wouldn't get too excited by him.

Phil Garner and Eric Wedge could become available this winter. Wedge would be an interesting candidate.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 18, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not like Robothal
But I suppose he's right about Perlozzo, Narron, and Bell.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 18, 2007 6:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John Gibbons is another guy who deserves
to be fired, but I don't want anymore retreads managing this team. Here's two more for you guys to ponder. I know I just said no more retreads, but Alan Trammell is interesting. But, I kinda like Kirk Gibson. He's currently the bench coach in Arizona and I think he would jump at the chance to manage.

by royaldaddy on May 19, 2007 12:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes.... Kirk Gibson.... yes, yes, yes...
Now there is a guy that hates to lose.  Blood, dirt, and sweat.... Kirk Gibson...  I got excited just thinking about him managing the Royals.  I think Bobby Mac. has done a good enough job to keep him as pitching coach.

by grudz69 on May 19, 2007 1:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah yes, Trammell and Gibby
When the Tigers were going really bad they had a great opening to their tv broadcast. Instead of showing the players, they focused solely on their coaches from the glorious past, Trammell, Gibby, and Lance Parrish. Showed them walking through the clubhouse in slow motion, shrouded in smoke, looking pissed, carrying bats  and saying stuff like "let's go, now", as though they would beat the players into performing.

Have a feeling Gibby wouldn't be too big into the stats, and perhaps a bit on the gritty veteran side.

by chukar on May 19, 2007 11:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is okay...a little grit only puts hair on
your chest.  or, is that liver... I am not sure which...

by grudz69 on May 19, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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