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Game 80 Open Thread- White Sox (33-42) at Royals (33-46)

The wait is over. The Battle for 4th place begins tonight at the K, with the Royals cresting after securing their first winning month since 2003.

Understandably, much has been written and said about the downfall of the White Sox, who've seen their offense and bullpen completely collapse. Amazingly, the Royals have been settled into 5th place since the fifth day of the season, April 7th, and haven't budged since. Thanks to the fact that the Royals have taken four extra games to get to their 33 wins, the percentages should remain in the ChiSox favor regardless of what happens the next few nights. Nevertheless, in my world of fantasy, many great things will be at stake.

On the mound for the Royals tonight is Brian Bannister (4-4, 3.78 ERA), who's rough start in Milwaukee pushed his ERA closer to 4.00 than 3.00 for the first time in three weeks and probably robbed him of a chance at the sub 3.00 mark he would have needed to have had any shot an an All-Star selection. Still, even as de la Rosa scuffles, Banny's been there to make us feel a little more conformable with trusting Dayton Moore's scouting acumen, and has, along with Gil Meche, given the Royal Rotation some semblance of civility.

Squaring off against Banny is Jose Contreras (5-8, 4.63 ERA). After strangely becoming awesome as a White Sock for awhile, Contreras now seems to have settled back into being very average, if not worse.

For whatever reason however, I find myself thinking of Shane Costa this afternoon instead of Bannister, Contreras, Craig Biggio or anyone else. Costa's actually been around for quite awhile now, both in the existential sense and as a Royal. He's 25 years old and has already racked up 373 at bats as a Royal. What interests me about Costa is that he's quietly stored away some impressive chunks of playing time, almost always as a temporary patch when someone else goes on the DL. The odd thing is, I can only recall one occasion in which I heard someone talk up his ability, he's actually done some good things in the minor leagues, hitting .312/.371/.468 in over 1100 minor league PAs. Almost totally without fanfare, Costa has begun to scratch his name into the annals of Royals history. Check out some of his All Time ranks:

Like Something Almost Being Said: Costa's Climb to Immortality

Games Played: 127 (159th, one ahead of Hal Morris, three behind Ruben Gotay)

At Bats: 373 (120th, one behind Reggie Sanders, two ahead of Chris Gwynn)

Runs: 44 (123rd, tied with Bob Boone, one behind Joey Gathright)

Hits: 94 (123rd, one behind Jeremy Giambi, two ahead of Ryan Shealy)

Home Runs: 5 (122nd, tied with Luis Alicea Esteban German and Juan Gonzalez)

Can enshrinement in Royal Retro's Top 100 Royals Series be far behind?

It must be a strange existence for Costa, who some nights is treated like a 4th OF/pinch-runner, and others is slotted into the cleanup slot and is DHing. In his three-year Royal career, Costa has played 322 innings as a RF, 287 in left, and 159 in center, while DHing seven times. He's started a game in every single lineup slot save the #3 hole at least once, and in 2007 Bell's managed to spread his 12 starts around to six different lineup positions.

Somehow the flexibility, mediocrity and playing time measured out in fits and starts makes for a very random career. While some guys end up being lionized for being capable of being imagined as just about anything, for Costa only his irrelevance seems to be underscored. Granted, there is a difference between an outfield tweener and a infield utility man, but perhaps not as large a asset gap as you might assume. Despite actually seeing quite a bit of him, in three years its quite possible that most of us will go months without ever thinking of Costa, possibly longer. I guess this is why I'm a blogger and not something better, since I don't really know how to tie this up, but the whole Shane Costa vortex just seems weird to me, placing him somewhere between a scrub, an everyman and a cipher. Even Joe McEwing and Joey Gathright types have their supporters, but not so much the Costas.

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Update [2007-6-29 19:8:8 by royalsreview]:

Perhaps inspired by this reflection on Costa, Bell has him hitting cleanup tonight. Also, the bizarre, Teahen-at-first movement continues.

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Over/under on Contreras's actual age?
I'd set it at 41 and take the over.

by NYRoyal on Jun 29, 2007 5:02 PM EDT   0 recs

Good call
I think 42 and 43 are the most likely age.  And Sox fans are mostly shocked that he's dropped off.  They refuse to believe that he lied about his age...or maybe just by a year or two.  Sox fans are having a lot of difficulty dealing with reality this year.

by NYRoyal on Jun 29, 2007 6:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Rainout or Play Ball?
I hear it has been raining much of the day, with a chance for more rain.  Anyone in the KC area have any insight here?

by NYRoyal on Jun 29, 2007 5:04 PM EDT   0 recs

It's been
raining for the last couple of days.  I was offered some free tickets at work, but I'm not sure I'll go based on the weather.  I'm in mid-town KC right now, and it's cloudy everywhere, but not raining right now.

by DeJesus Christ on Jun 29, 2007 6:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

The Costa's of baseball make me
wonder.  What if we just left him up for an entire year?  I mean, if given the chance like Emil to suck for two months and then start hitting would he?  What if we had a huge signing bonus invested in him?

by kjfinkes on Jun 29, 2007 5:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Use of Costa is typical of Royals
Inconsistent playing time and batting order slot can't be helpful for a young guy.  For a player still trying to make his way in the big leagues, showing up and seeing your name at the leadoff spot one night then cleanup the next is awful managing.  

Production and skills wise, Costa seems like a 4th OF type who could have some uses on a team like KC.  He has been productive in the minors.  But like many Royals, the continued improvement at the big league level stops or doesn't happen.  With roadblocks like Reggie Sanders, Emil Brown's awful 2007, or a Terrance Long (sorry about the painful historical reference) development will always be a problem in KC.  Bell would rather play them consistently than stick with a Costa in a regular position or rotation.

by daveyork on Jun 29, 2007 5:12 PM EDT   0 recs

"inconsistent batting order*
Inconsistent playing time and batting order slot can't be helpful for a young guy.

In my personal opinion, hitting at different spots in the batting order doesn't affect a player one bit.  Whether you are hitting 2nd, 4th or 9th, in various games you'll have situations where you come up with the bases empty, runners on, leading off, everything.  The particular situation you are in, in the given at bat, determines what you must do, not where you are in the lineup.

Inconsistent playing time, however, certainly doesn't help.

by NYRoyal on Jun 29, 2007 5:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i tend to agree with you
i think the toughest thing to deal with is the mix of bench/omaha/pinch-hitting/starting

by royalsreview on Jun 29, 2007 6:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Weather in KC
It's overcast, but dry. The rain stopped at around 1:00.

by Berroa is the devil on Jun 29, 2007 5:18 PM EDT   0 recs

So, who are the other 97?
So, if Costa isn't one of the other top 97 Royals, how about some schedule for revealing who are? I like the concept, but we've only seen the first 3 articles over more than a month of time - and the Rey Sanchez at 99 was kind of hidden, at that. Even if you went twice-weekly, you wouldn't be done before year's end, at the current pace, we'll probably be figuring out where Gordon, Buck, Teahen and Grienke would have properly belonged.

I can only come up with a top 30, at best; after that, they pretty much blend together for me.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Jun 29, 2007 5:42 PM EDT   0 recs

retro wants to run them once a week
i've seen his master list, but i think he wants to reveal it slowly

Costa is not in the Top 100 however, i can assure you of that

by royalsreview on Jun 29, 2007 6:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Costa - 101st greatest Royal!
No doubt he isn't, it was just my way of segue from the Costa article to a top 100 question
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Jun 29, 2007 7:09 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Costa
Misfortunately, the misuse of ShaneCosta is a product of 13 miserable seasons. We do not have the luxury of developing a player of his quality nor do we have the strength to really give him a chance. The downward spiral of losing begets more losing. Hopefully we are turning the corner.

by fanatic on Jun 29, 2007 5:48 PM EDT   0 recs

in BP 2007
the comment is made -- regarding Matt Diaz -- that miserable teams actually have a hard time developing useful secondary parts because they're so caught up with the problem of not having stars

don't know if the Diaz=Costa comp works, because in some ways the royals dumped Diaz because they prefered Costa

why, i don't know

by LeoBloom on Jun 29, 2007 6:17 PM EDT   0 recs

lineups are... up
For the Royals:

DeJesus - CF

German - 2B

Teahen - 1B

Costa - RF

Gordon - 3B

Butler - DH

Buck - C

Pena - SS

Gathright - LF

Bannister - P

For the White Sox:

Podsednik - LF

Gonzalez - CF

Thome - DH

Konerko - 1B

Pierzynski - C

Iguchi - 2B

Mackowiak - RF

Fields - 3B

Uribe - SS

Contreras - P

courtesy of the team blog

by royalsreview on Jun 29, 2007 7:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Bell
Was thinking about Costa today, too.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jun 29, 2007 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

fire bell now
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jun 29, 2007 7:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Shane Costa
I can't believe he pulled ahead of the immortal Jeremy Giambi. Speaking of which, where the hell is Jeremy Giambi? Is he still playing baseball? Still alive?

And what's Costa hitting, .127 or something? This "Clean-up with Costa" stuff might be a catchy slogan for a 409-type cleaner, but it sure as hell isn't a good way to set-up a line-up. Wow.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Jun 29, 2007 7:31 PM EDT   0 recs

i'd love to hear a conversation
between bell and costa, when brown founds out he's not playng
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Jun 29, 2007 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think Buddy don't even care anymore.
He's just picking names out of a hat and putting them in the lineup.
Cleanup with a guy hitting under .200? What other team does that with a non-superstar player? Seriously?

by balto on Jun 29, 2007 7:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Positive waves

by howserfan on Jun 29, 2007 8:12 PM EDT   0 recs

1, 2, 4 Inning
Walking Thome with 2 out doesn't sound too bad to me.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jun 29, 2007 8:19 PM EDT   0 recs

.182 ave for our boy Costa...
Yup, he should be here just taking up space.  He and Lala are seeing how LOW they can go.  Lets all limbo!!!

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:35 PM EDT   0 recs

Lets hope this was his bad inning....
Lets get some runs.... oh good Costa is up first...so he can't kill the rally all by himself.

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:38 PM EDT   0 recs

ah nice
a weak pop up on a juicy fastball. Good times.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 8:40 PM EDT   0 recs

nice Gordo
how bout a jack for the home crowd billy?

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Ha..you lost that one...
Yes, Gordo... a little blooper single... come on Butts.... bring him in...

At least Costa got it out of the infield.  Barely.....

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:41 PM EDT   0 recs

Damn
a complete difference in luck. They get a DP we have to settle for a run on a groundout.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 8:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Crap.. a DP.... we are making Contr.... look
way to good.  Banns we need you here.

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:42 PM EDT   0 recs

14 pitches through 2 IP for Contreras
Lack of patience makes me want to throw up.
winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jun 29, 2007 8:42 PM EDT   0 recs

3 k's ... Yes... Banns ...
Get Pauley...  Good catch, DeJ...

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Buck, Pena, and Gator....
Like this threesome....

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:48 PM EDT   0 recs

Yes, a stand up double....now we go...
Come on Gator.... we need you on base...

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:55 PM EDT   0 recs

therrrre we go
double. damn thought that one got through.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 8:55 PM EDT   0 recs

way to move him along.... okay DeJ...
you are the man....

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:55 PM EDT   0 recs

Banns is already at 54 pitches...
it could be an early night for Banns.

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 8:57 PM EDT   0 recs

bullpen
is nice and rested and not to mention the fact that they dont suck anymore. amazing.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 8:58 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yup
kinda surprised but I guess its a Friday night. Maybe a few more will filter in as the game progresses.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 8:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

woooo!
way to go esteban! way to get in there at 2nd ddj!

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 9:00 PM EDT   0 recs

You really gotta give it to German
He's been slumping lately, but he still seems to be in the middle of most of our rallies in some form or another.
winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jun 29, 2007 9:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Yes, Yes, Yes.....
we are all tied up....  still two on and we have the Man.... T.

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 9:00 PM EDT   0 recs

just noticed
wierd hypnotic grass pattern. Teahen is so due for a bomb or two.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 9:02 PM EDT   0 recs

dammit
that sucks. best hitter up too. Teahen hasn't homered since May 29.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 9:03 PM EDT   0 recs

DeJesus runs into an out....
What else is new.  If he didn't score, Costa probably wouldn't have done anything, anyway.

Alright, R's.  Way to tie the game.  Banny appears to be turning it around...his command has been much better since the end of the first.

http://royalsnation.proboards62.com/

by Royals Nation on Jun 29, 2007 9:04 PM EDT   0 recs

in the house!
storm passed, got my satellite internet back.

But I'm in Topeka, so in about three hours they're gonna get a brief cloudburst.

by howserfan on Jun 29, 2007 9:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah that was pretty ugly.
winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jun 29, 2007 9:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Come on Banns ...stomp Perski...
Yes, good d....

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 9:05 PM EDT   0 recs

Two quick outs!
Bannister has been a professional this year!
http://royalsnation.proboards62.com/

by Royals Nation on Jun 29, 2007 9:05 PM EDT   0 recs

anybody else
loving Frank White in the booth.

He even had the veiled slam on Buddy, regarding Contreras' different approach to lefties and righties, "You think they'd see that in the dugout."

by howserfan on Jun 29, 2007 9:07 PM EDT   0 recs

Lovin' it
Especially the blast of "the dugout"

by royaldaddy on Jun 29, 2007 9:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Bannister K's Fields
Great pickup.  Bannister just looks competent out there....which is good enough for me, really.
http://royalsnation.proboards62.com/

by Royals Nation on Jun 29, 2007 9:09 PM EDT   0 recs

AFLAC trivia
I'll go with Tom Gordon---17 if I recall.

by howserfan on Jun 29, 2007 9:11 PM EDT   0 recs

4 K's ...way to go Banns....
Boy, has he turned it around.   Bobby Mac must have said something to him.

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 9:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Hey fellas
Nice little battle we got going on here, huh?

by royaldaddy on Jun 29, 2007 9:11 PM EDT   0 recs

Accck
Most rookie wins "as a starter."

Gordon was most wins.

by howserfan on Jun 29, 2007 9:13 PM EDT   0 recs

oh god, here we go....
pop up, grounder, or a K....

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 9:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Costa with a double out of no where
Didn't see that coming
winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jun 29, 2007 9:14 PM EDT   0 recs

haha WOW!
miracles do happen

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 9:14 PM EDT   0 recs

sorry
blacked out for a second there.  Had this hallucination where Shane Costa turned on a pitch.  Weird.

by howserfan on Jun 29, 2007 9:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Woweeeeeeee..... Costa, you can hit the ball.
first double of the year... way to go Shane....

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 9:15 PM EDT   0 recs

Costa
Justifies Buddy's love, mystifies RR crowd.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jun 29, 2007 9:15 PM EDT   0 recs

So, is Shealy still on the team?
I can see that he's obviously lost his starting job (thank God), but what will they do with him when Gload gets back?

by royaldaddy on Jun 29, 2007 9:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Jose Thinks
He'd rather pitch to Butts; make him pay, Billy.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jun 29, 2007 9:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Yes, two on and one out...
Can we bring them home?????

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 9:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Butler raaakes
I love that White saying "Ill let him hit" just as Billy ropes a base hit to Center.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 9:21 PM EDT   0 recs

Bob Davis...math genius
this is a verbatim quote with help of TiVo.

"Contreras, uh, an economy of pitches in the first two innings combined:  fifteen.  He's now at 57, so he's thrown forty...uh...in the mid 40s here since that time."

Verbatim.

Bob Davis...math genius.

by howserfan on Jun 29, 2007 9:21 PM EDT   0 recs

And Now
Bucko with ducks on the pond.
Being a fan is irrational, but what is the alternative?

by philofthenorth on Jun 29, 2007 9:21 PM EDT   0 recs

I can live with a sac fly....
winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on Jun 29, 2007 9:22 PM EDT   0 recs

And we increase the lead... yeah Bucky....
3-1 Blue Guys.....

by grudz69 on Jun 29, 2007 9:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Damn man
that one look a lot farther that it went.

by wildthang on Jun 29, 2007 9:22 PM EDT   0 recs