Game 106 Open Thread- Royals (47-58) at Twins (54-51)
At long last, the trade deadline has come and gone, and once again, both in a general and a Royals-specific sense, its hard not to feel a little disappointed. While numerous legitimate reasons -- few cash-strapped teams, "smarter" post-Moneyball GMs, for example -- were cited as causes behind a mostly bland deadline I think theres also a more sinister one: an incredibly pervasive conservatism and risk-aversion throughout the game. Tabling for a moment the specifics of the future prospect versus current star quandary (i.e. the Smoltz-Alexander trade) its never good when an entire industry thinks the same way about everything, in this case: player development, pitching staff management, in-game strategy, lineup construction, etc etc. The difference between the most "radical" and "old-school" GMs is about 5%. The fluctuations between coaches/managers is even smaller.
Take a look at the National League standings for a moment and explain to me how only basically one team, the Braves, went for it? Now perhaps the extreme parity actually discourages doing anything risky, because everyone is already "close" to glory with the trashy rosters they've already got. Nevertheless, according to published reports at least, the last week or so has been the same battle being played out over and over again: everyone wants a top prospect and everyone is unwilling to trade their top prospects.
You have to feel that prospects have become overvalued, and that some team could have scored a huge advantage by actually putting their version of Luke Hochevar on the table.
Of course, this is a bigger problem plaguing the game. To take one example, the Nationals, Rangers and Devil Rays alone will play, at minimum, something like 350 completely meaningless games this season. Yet none of those games will involve a four-man rotation, tandem starters, a bullpen by committee, using your best reliever in the biggest spot in the game, etc. Not even for a single-game will an all-lefty lineup be featured or will a funky defensive configuration be attempted. Aside from the Moneyball strawman, when was the last time a new idea infiltrated the game? The passing of Bill Walsh this week poignantly illustrated that baseball hasn't had a Bill Walsh since...
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Regarding the Dotel-Davies trade, theres little left unsaid after a very intense day here at RR. The best starting points are today's Trade Deadline Open Thread and its 200+ comments, 90% of which are D-D related, and RoyalRetro's intro piece on Davies. The discussion continues in multiple rock-solid diaries. Without further ado, here's the official Royals Review Response:
Positive
- Davies is 23, he can get better.
- Davies has, reportedly, three good pitches.
- Davies will be cheap Royal chattel until 2011.
- Presumably Dayton Moore knows more about Davies than three-weeks of scouting.
- Fresh off some rough years, Davies may benefit from a kick in the pants/change of scenery.
- Davies is a ball-thrower, and since ball-throwers are overvalued by the market, ball-throwers are always good for later trading chips.
Negative
- When was the last time an Atlanta farmhand panned out somewhere else?
- Davies has had, broadly speaking, a few rough patches, both on the mound and in terms of coachability.
- The Braves felt that five more seasons of Kyle Davies equated out to about the same value as 25-30 innings from Octavio Dotel. Dotel is coming off a major-injury and peaked during the second season of Gilmore Girls.
Meta Considerations
- Octavio Dotel is a mythical closer, and the Braves believe in closer power. Meaning Dotel, and hence Davies, is more valuable. - The Braves look to be in the 85-87 win range, the exact point on the competition arch at which "win-now" moves are the most valuable. - While we don't precisely know what other options Mr. Moore had, its safe to say his choice was likely a similar level player, or doing nothing. DOing nothing, by the way, was an option many teams ultimately choose. Certainly, we didn't want that.
-On the other hand, compared to the Gagne and Linebrink deals, the Royals seem to have gotten much less in return. In a different scenario could Dotel have commanded more?
So in sum, we got a guy. This guy can be around for awhile if we want him to be. Being neither a scout, nor female, I'm not solid on evaluating the physical and mental development of 23 year old dudes. So until further notice, welcome to the family Hiram! Kyle is a child's name, and we aren't in Georgia anymore.
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RR can you delete my post on diaries...
Kansas City AB R H RBI BB SO LOB AVG
DeJesus, CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
Grudzielanek, 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
Teahen, RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .283
Brown, DH 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232
Gload, LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
Gordon, 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .243
Smith, 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .206
Pena, SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .284
LaRue, C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .158
Another Buddo barnstorming miracle lineup....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:01 PM EDT reply actions
Tonights lineup features 4 slammers with
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
I was watching the video on Davies
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
4th!
"my glass is half full"
9th?
regardless of what happens today, we have already made our team better in 2008 and beyond (with a slight chance of this year) so im not too worried about tonight.
that said, good jdlr better show up as he is now competing for a starting job for next year.
RR... add a little Creme de Cocoa to it and
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:13 PM EDT reply actions
I hope so.... because we need him at 2nd
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the fact that i still have to watch Emil Brown
by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:16 PM EDT reply actions
crap...that was shit....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:17 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, first pitch strike.....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Can't we get that little bug Tyner out?
by nycroyal on Jul 31, 2007 8:20 PM EDT reply actions
Come Jorge.... lets not give them an
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:22 PM EDT reply actions
bad feeling about tonight.
oh well, you cant win all of them. as long as we split the series against minny i will be fine...
JDLR
Way to go T... good catch...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
great quote
one more, Jorgy....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
Is Metrodome
by ScratchBC on Jul 31, 2007 8:28 PM EDT reply actions
Gload in the OF and Smith at 1B
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Vlademil
by nycroyal on Jul 31, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
whiffy ground ball to the SS,
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
easy fly ball to center....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:31 PM EDT reply actions
another whiffy inning for the Blue....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
torriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
1-0 twins
stay calm
by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
redmon looks like a smug SOB
by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
Hunter has 23 homeruns... that would lead
Come on Jorge get your shit together....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
gritzy with a bad throw
can i audition for the royals? i know how to pick up a baseball, promise.
Hmmmmm....
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:39 PM EDT reply actions
whiffie lapoo
his last little bit of hope was his defense, but just to flat out drop a freaking baseball THEN get stolen on crosses the line.
jdlr isnt pitching TOO bad, but his defense is playing like crap behind him.
LaRue....
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
That is shit....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:40 PM EDT reply actions
great play by tpj
I am going to scream
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
Walking papers
Another bungle by Lala.... yes, Buddo ...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions
DFA LaRue NOW
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by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
3-0 and we don't have our come from behind
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:43 PM EDT reply actions
you would think so
John Buck ... sigh
by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Just throw the damn ball....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:44 PM EDT reply actions
I hate the Twins
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
This is one of those
Yuo.. we really needed that pitch out.
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
This is why I don't think Jorge has the
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:46 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Brutal inning thanks to the defense
Seriously!
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
40 pitches and Jorge isn't out of the 2nd
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:48 PM EDT reply actions
I guess tonight's game
finally, we are out of there ...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
Our bats
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 8:51 PM EDT reply actions
Wow, makes me sick watching us give 4 runs
I'd disagree
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
no line drives
easy out...by power smith...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:53 PM EDT reply actions
The Sox are trailing 11-4.
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:54 PM EDT reply actions
He's too good....
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahahahhaha Larue hits a home run
LOL
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
LaLa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
really?
You've GOT to be kidding
Well, I will drink to that....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:57 PM EDT reply actions
like they all say
Oh Man
by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2007 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times are we gonna get caught stealing
Good try DeJ... but maybe you should lay
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
good thing
lets try and shut them down for an inning here and try and get a pair of runs next inning.
What a freaking catch.
Take that Tori.
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 9:01 PM EDT reply actions
WOW!
wow, torii sure has jdlr's #.
I'm shocked Tori hit that pitch that far
Yes.... DeJ.... way to go.... yes....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:02 PM EDT reply actions
Larue Vs. Buck
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 9:04 PM EDT reply actions
You're right he is wrong...and if not
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
if your friend truly believes that
"calling a game" makes little impact, and plenty of the calls come from the dugout anyways. whiffie lapoo is one of the worst offensive players in the game (if not THE worst) and his defense is just slightly above average.
tell him if he is so infatuated with whiffie, he can take him for free.
LaRue
Is something going on????
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
I don't know...
that's just what the Twinkies will be thinking...
have Emil try a steal?
Next time he will make it
is the book on Mauer
another K by Teahen! move him down in the lineup again. he looks lost.
Redmond is catching.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know
I think T missed some signs... that was a hit and
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:11 PM EDT reply actions
Hey weak grounder by Brownie....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
Grudz is the perfect 2 hole hitter
52 pitches for Jorgey... 54 for Silva...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
Buddy
if you still think you can win, get someone up in the bullpen and bring him in
Groundout to short
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Go Jr....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:27 PM EDT reply actions
Way to go Jr. pad that ave....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:28 PM EDT reply actions
This is it... do you let Jorgey come out for the
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions
What would we do with a bat like
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:32 PM EDT reply actions
move him around
God.. get closer to the mic....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:35 PM EDT reply actions
Is anyone else's...
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
Good luck Sharon Martin....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
da..what did these goofy bastard announcers
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:41 PM EDT reply actions
Okay T. a homer would help you back
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:42 PM EDT reply actions
14-3 Yanks over Sox...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:43 PM EDT reply actions
Larue
OPS for 2007: .573
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 9:47 PM EDT reply actions
LaRue
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
ABs
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Jul 31, 2007 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Go Gordo.... 0-5 in the series....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
We picked last night too
Gameday says all 5 De La Rosa runs are earned
Worst of all worlds: Terrible defense behind him, no statistical consolation.
I guess the scorers went with the "you can't assume a double play" aphorism as well as the lesser known "you can't assume a run will score when the throw to the catcher beats the runner by a substantial distance" corollary.
Hey, Bale didn't look to bad....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 10:02 PM EDT reply actions
How...
We are living in the freaking
La La and Smith go yard.
And the rest of the team can't do squat.
What the hell?
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 10:04 PM EDT reply actions
Surprise-O-Meter ratings
"And the rest of the team can't do squat": needle quivers around 2, like an idling car's speedometer.
by andrewmiller on Jul 31, 2007 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
It's very sad
by I need more Esteban on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
That side-armer they have warming up
Remind me of Quiz.
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
At least La La is swinging for the fences now.
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 10:05 PM EDT reply actions
gotta hand it to bell...
by Billex Gordler on Jul 31, 2007 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
Don't hold your breath...
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
if i run blindly across the street
its still a bad decision
i dont see how Smith playing makes ANY sense
by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Just got home
Damn
by MileHighKCfan on Jul 31, 2007 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Grudz, T....and Brownie...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 10:17 PM EDT reply actions
Nothing like it..
Yes, Grudz... the man.....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 10:18 PM EDT reply actions
"Shooter" Brown is
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
Nevermind...
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions
teahan
by smarsh on Jul 31, 2007 10:20 PM EDT reply actions
This sucks.
by RTC Fan on Jul 31, 2007 10:21 PM EDT reply actions
Why aren't we pinch hitting here...
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
one pitch one out for Gloady....
by grudz69 on Jul 31, 2007 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
My Money Was On
by philofthenorth on Jul 31, 2007 10:38 PM EDT reply actions
smith at first is a freakin joke
by FireBell on Jul 31, 2007 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
just got in
The amazing part was that we got three homeruns out of it, including from two guys that probably shouldn't be on the team in the first place. In a way Bell looks like a genius, considering he squeezed juice from a lemon. Predictably, though, we lost.
C'est la vie.
in other news
I wouldn't be surprised if that was some sort of record for most runs scored off of homeruns (you can add the white sox in there with 3 runs off of a homer). All but one scoring play in the game involved a homerun.
Memo to Royals
Looking at the lineup this evening....
Buddy Bell
Girardi?
by Orphancow on Aug 1, 2007 5:16 PM EDT reply actions














