WHB 810 speculating on Buddy Bell Firing, Press Conference at 4:30 today.
Well, there will no longer be a need to fire Buddy Bell. Sounds like he is gonna step down at the end of the year ---- Press Conference at 4:30.
They are trying to speculate on whether he is being forced, whether he is still ill, or whether he was looking for a long term security offer (contract) and they said no.
Discuss. :)

Happier Times
Update [2007-8-1 17:20:46 by royalsreview]:
Official story here.
Here was what I had to say about the Bell hiring, way back in 2005. It was an age of romance.
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Finally the debate will be over
God help him if he doesn't trot out the same lineup every day.
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy hoss
If folks are being asked to reserve criticism of any new manager [fair], might we also reserve criticism of those skeptical of the new man before they've even had a chance to say a word?
A mutual grace period, yes?
Best to Mr. Bell and his family. A stand-up guy whatever his merits as a manager.
by howserfan on Aug 1, 2007 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why Buddy would announce this now
by nycroyal on Aug 1, 2007 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would bet on hiring Joe Girardi
by nycroyal on Aug 1, 2007 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi...
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Aug 1, 2007 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Girardi
I don't want any part of him.
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Aug 1, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
But there are some guys whose philosophies I've heard enough that I really think they are the wrong guy. Girardi does color for many Yankee games and so I've heard his philosophies on small ball, valuing veteran players highly and how "pitch counts don't mean a darn thing." So I know enough about him to know that he'd be awful for this team.
Pendleton and White were good players and seemed like nice guys, but do I think they'd make good managers? I have no idea. I don't see how any of us could give anything more than a guess on that.
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
I think I read Trey Hillman (former Yankees minor league skipper and now in Japan) is a student of Moneyball, but has adapted to a small ball game in Japan because it is better suited for that game. I like a guy willing to adapt like that.
Other than that, I have no idea what Frank White or Terry Pendleton or anyone else would be like as manager.
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than the pitch count thing.. I don't have
We have been doing a lot worse for the last season and half. If it is Girardi ...bring him on.
I for one will not be complaining about the new manager. Any new hire is due some settling in time. I hope with Buddy leaving that we may get a new set of coaches.
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you want Girardi playing vets?
And you're really not going to criticize him? If you don't like his lineups, if you don't like who pinch hits or doesn't pitch hit, if you don't like his pitching changes? You're not going to criticize him? How long did it take you to start criticizing Bell?
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't play vets in Florida...
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You talk about
by buckwild on Aug 1, 2007 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was starting to tear up there for awhile...
by grudz69 on Aug 2, 2007 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank god Grudz is never cranky
by NYRoyal on Aug 2, 2007 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is FireBell?
Seriously, I think Buddy is a great guy (although flawed manager) and its nice to see this all handled with some class allowing Buddy to save face and take a senior position, while allowing Dayton to hire his own guy.
Well played Dayton.
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess this qualifies as blog-whoring
http://www.royalsreview.com/comments/2007/6/21/13528/0983/35#35
I don't know enough about Girardi to say if he fits the bill.
by marbotty on Aug 1, 2007 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
to echo.... FireBell...
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But, HOW do you really feel about Girardi?
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking its either
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I hate him?
Girardi has discussed his baseball philosphy on Yankee broadcasts. This includes:
- Loving smallball, bunts, sacrificing, trading outs for bases, lots of stolen base attempts.
- Valuing veterans over young players.
- Downplaying the importance of pitch counts and "just letting pitchers pitch."
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
by wildthang on Aug 1, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An early list
Joe Girardi, former Marlins manager
Art Howe, former Astros/A's/Mets manager
Terry Pendleton, Braves hitting coach
Larry Dierker, former Astros manager
Tony DeFrancesco, A's minor league manager
Joel Skinner, Indians minor league manager
Trey Hillman, former Yankees minor league manager/Japanese League manager
Bobby Valentine, former Rangers/Mets manager, currently in Japan (long shot to come here)
Tom Kelly, former Twins manager (worth a call, don't ya think?)
Others I wouldn't consider, but could be considered:
Buck Showalter, former Yankees/Diamondbacks/Rangers manager
Larry Bowa, former Phillies manager
Dusty Baker, former Giants/Cubs manager
Don Baylor, former Rockies manager
Frank White, former Royals minor league manager
Jaime Quirk, Rockies bench coach
Guys that could become available this winter:
Phil Garner
Tony LaRussa!
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your list is incomplete
by marbotty on Aug 1, 2007 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to put him on there
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this a twist on
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that....
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Aug 1, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wheeeee!!!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=kamDqL-AGzI
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Classic
Ahhh... Hal McRae.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Aug 1, 2007 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it wasn't a typewriter
by buddyball on Aug 1, 2007 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
now that I watch the video again
It appears now that the bottle he's cradling at the end looks suspiciously like an enormous bottle of Popov.
by marbotty on Aug 1, 2007 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have heard good things about
But, I think GMDM has a surprise for us...
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Star article
"It started last year when I got sick," said Bell, who underwent surgery in September to remove a cancerous growth in his throat.
"My priorities changed real quickly. Not seeing my grandkids became important. When I grew up, my dad wasn't there. When my kids grew up, I wasn't there. Now my grandkids are growing up, and I haven't seen them.".....
"We're going to take our time and do a thorough search," Moore said. "That's all I can say about it. I'm not one of those guys who has a list of guys who are ready to be managers. I'm just not geared that way.
"I don't like to be locked into preconceived notions. I never have. You do that, you start to narrow your focus and you get burned."
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 5:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good comments....
See, I can be positive and nurturing towards Buddy. And, yes I will still complain about him the rest of the season.
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
And by the way, I don't believe for a second that you're not going to bitch about the next guy. I have a feeling you've complained about every Royals manager since Howser. And maybe even Howser...
Just a feeling.
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.... you are wrong... remember when you
I started with Pena and haven't stopped. AND, yes... I will give the new manager a month or two to get his feet wet. I hope I see better managerial and seed eating skills from him than from Bell.
by grudz69 on Aug 1, 2007 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You started with Pena?
There were certainly things to criticize about Bell and Pena. But how can you criticize those two and not Tony Muser, probably the worst manager in Royals history? Please tell me you don't think Muser was a decent manager. Please...
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NY Royal
Grudz is correct. Bell is not a good manager - check the scoreboard, dude. History speaks. With that being said, Bell seems like a genuinely decent fella - best of luck to him and his family.
by HenKarvey on Aug 1, 2007 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said I started with Pena....
by grudz69 on Aug 2, 2007 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Muser couldn't manage a team...
by NYRoyal on Aug 3, 2007 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did complain about Tony... you just
I am annoying and confusing am I? Gee, I am just the bane of your existence aren't I.
by grudz69 on Aug 3, 2007 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You said you started with Pena
by NYRoyal on Aug 3, 2007 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will admit that I did complain
Have a good time at the game?
by grudz69 on Aug 3, 2007 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a knee-jerk complainer
It was good to see the Royals in person. Unfortunately the game really stunk. We've got two more though.
by NYRoyal on Aug 4, 2007 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another quote
What the hell does that mean? That Dayton already told him he wasn't coming back?
by RoyalsRetro on Aug 1, 2007 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It means he knows he's not coming back
That doesn't say anything about why the decision was made or who made the decision.
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Manager's Importance
by sabeeler on Aug 1, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
When Tony Pena quit
I can't think of anyone off-hand who excites me as a prospective manager. Maybe Dayton has someone in the Braves organization in mind.
by cmkeller on Aug 1, 2007 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm on record as being a
Just thought he did a great job at Wichita helping several of the current core develop - that could be the perfect candidate for our next stage, i.e., growth as big leaguers.
by loyal2s dad on Aug 1, 2007 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
Thank you Moore.
by FireBell on Aug 1, 2007 5:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
leo?
- dayton's love for pitchers
- leo's ability to stay out of the spotlight
- down and away
- bobby cox must have rubbed something onto leo at some point, never mind sam perlozzo
by kcisbetterthanstlateverything on Aug 1, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mazzone is a good idea
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mentioned his name
i think he could really help out the young pitchers and has the braves connection GMDM loves.
i, for one, would love to have leo over and he would most likely be my #1 choice.
by rockchalk on Aug 1, 2007 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
1.) Terry Pendleton - great job as Braves Hitting coach.
2.) Joe Girardi - for the way he handled the young team in Florida.
3.) Buck Showalter - always builds winners out of young squads (Texas, Arizona).
by lordbyronk on Aug 1, 2007 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
future pick
by buddyball on Aug 1, 2007 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
please no pendleton
by FireBell on Aug 1, 2007 6:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who do you want?
by NYRoyal on Aug 1, 2007 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Buddy wasn't that bad...
I see Frank White/Joe Girardi. No argument with either.
No Pendleton, please, enough Braves.
by 8hrdrive on Aug 1, 2007 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bell
by BlueEyesAustin on Aug 1, 2007 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buddy was a caretaker
Now that we have a base of talent and the ownership will (hopefully) be asked to fork over some decent contracts to FAs in the offseason, the writing was probably on the wall that we needed a manager who could win, not just "develop". Buddy steps down with no shame and we look for someone to take the next step.
by Big Guy on Aug 1, 2007 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed 100%.
buddy wasnt a horrible manager, but was not more than average either. he didnt screw up any young players (besides possibly huber) and didnt hurt any arms. he made the standard decisions that most other managers made and didnt do anything too abnormal.
good luck buddy...
by rockchalk on Aug 1, 2007 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bargaining Chip
by Tarnished Crown on Aug 1, 2007 6:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe that was part of the discount...
by Big Guy on Aug 1, 2007 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about...
by cookierojas73 on Aug 1, 2007 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hargrove
I'd lose confidence in GMDM if he were hired.
My first vote would be Bobby Valentine, but I think it would take a lot to pry him away from Japan. He loves it there.
by nycroyal on Aug 1, 2007 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Did Gator
D. DeJesus cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .311
R. Gload 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .281
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .305
M. Teahen rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .280
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .241
J. Smith ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .209
J. Buck c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .241
J. Gathright lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .315
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Minnesota
AB R H RBI BB K LOB Season Avg
J. Tyner rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .290
J. Bartlett ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .260
J. Mauer c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .300
J. Morneau 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .297
T. Hunter cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288
J. Kubel dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .241
L. Ford lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .239
B. Buscher 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .273
A. Casilla 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .261
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
by philofthenorth on Aug 1, 2007 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
possible scenario
I like Valentine a lot but it would seem like KC would be a strange fit for him, especially given the sweet deal he has in Japan. Did anyone read the SI article about him a few months ago? He's absolutely revered over there.
In terms of possible scenarios re. how the Bell resignation went down, I thought of the following: Since Bell's deal is up at the end of this year, no doubt he probably approached Moore about an extension both at the start of this year and probably at other points, perhaps recently. Although Moore clearly likes Bell personally, I would imagine he was reluctant to extend Buddy, who then put two and two together that he wouldn't be back after this year and decided to go this route. Just a theory...who knows. Let's just hope that Moore makes a good decision on the next manager...it's a big hire with a number of good young players in place and the team approaching being competitive.
by cookierojas73 on Aug 1, 2007 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pitch counts
by Moose Tacos on Aug 1, 2007 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there's a high correlation
Here's a good overview of the subject:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=2633
and here's the whole meat and potatoes if you're into graphs and charts and stats and whatnot:
http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1477
by marbotty on Aug 1, 2007 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here's another opnion
interesting to read debate, at least.
by mazoboom on Aug 1, 2007 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A new beginning
by Gordon Rocks on Aug 1, 2007 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
buddy offered the royals time...
by bankmeister on Aug 1, 2007 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It couldn't have worked out any better
- Ken Macha
- Cito Gaston
- Orel Hersheiser
- Kirk Gibson
- Joe Girardi
- Trey Hillman
- Larry Bowa
by royaldaddy on Aug 1, 2007 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hershiser's a good call
by lordbyronk on Aug 1, 2007 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gibson... would he be interested???
by grudz69 on Aug 2, 2007 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice. I just saw on ESPN.
by mazoboom on Aug 1, 2007 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"He will remain with the team"
That's... weird. This guy REALLY does want to earn his paycheck without doing anything like he has for the past two seasons.
by mazoboom on Aug 1, 2007 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No Girardi!
by dejackso on Aug 2, 2007 10:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs














