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Bell's pregame comments

I don't know if anyone caught the pre-game show today and Denny's interview with Buddy... it about made me vomit. He said in his opinion the Twins' have the best offense in the league! The team that is 23rd in OPS, 18th in runs scored. Bell went on and on about how much he loves the Twins' approach at the plate and how effective it is. He said over and over how you have to be aggressive at the plate and swing at first pitch strikes, and railed against the new fangled idea that plate discipline might be a good thing. He also said that this is/should be the Royal's organizational philosophy. That really worries me if Bell is going to be an active part of the front office even after he is gone. Ugh this man can not be gone fast enough.

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Dont worry
he will be coaching for the Reds next year, so we can sit back and laugh at the potential he throws to the wind there.
It's A Walk off

by Ames14501 on Aug 9, 2007 6:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

incorrect
i believe buddy bell will not be coaching for the reds next year.
over the line smokey

by saintalfonzo on Aug 9, 2007 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if he is still upstairs,
he won't be trumping the new manager's decision on whether plate discipline is better than swinging early. DM won't let the team have two managers at the same time.
Scott Elarton gives that short kid with no athletic ability hope that he can make it big some day.

by MileHighKCfan on Aug 9, 2007 6:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

disgusting
although Moore probably thinks the same way
What hath Bell wrought?

by FireBell on Aug 9, 2007 6:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Typical Buddy speak
The heart of the Twins' order is terrific with Mauer, Morneau, and Cuddyer.  The rest of it is really shaky - Punto, Casilla, DH hole.

But Buddy is use to this type of lineup so he would see the positive and overlook the obvious like lack of runs.

Lack of consistency with strike zone discipline is a big red flag.  Having the manager not aligned with the organization is trouble.  Sounds like Ryan Shealy is an example of a guy who is too patient and needs to be more aggressive.  However, when the whole lineup swings at first or second pitch, it's trouble.  Royals have seen many of those innings this season.  I think it is one reason why KC makes average to below average pitchers look so good.  

by daveyork on Aug 9, 2007 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry OBP
is important.  The Royals have had too many players that just go up there hacking (Angel Berroa - an excellent case in point from recent years).  There has to be a balance.  Players can't be afraid to swing at the pitch they want, but at the same time they have to wait for it too.  The strikeouts really need to be trimmed and with a less "agressive" approach this might help make that happen.  

by lordbyronk on Aug 10, 2007 7:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

someone
on the Royals Corner board transcribed it:

Matthews: The Twins got 5 runs in the 3rd inning [Wednesday night], and boy, they were aggressive at the plate, scoring those runs rather quickly.

Bell: Well, you know what, Denny, they have a good offensive club. They have, I think, as good an approach as anybody in our league. And I think the reason for that is, they're ready to hit from the first pitch on. They don't take a lot of pitches, and as you mentioned earlier, they batted around on only 17 pitches, which is incredible, really.  But that's pretty much what we're talking about. ...

All the good hitters that I've ever been around are always ready to hit the first pitch.  And what's going around baseball now - and I don't know when it started - is this idea of taking pitches, which is ....  You know, you want to learn your strike zone, but I think the more you swing, the quicker you learn your strike zone - what you can hit, what you can't hit.  Actually in some organizations, they're actually getting kids rewarded for how many pitches they take, which - I don't really subscribe to that philosophy.  We don't do that in our organization here, which I think is good, because I think the way our kids figure out their swing is to swing the bat.

Matthews: Doesn't that take away the natural aggression of a hitter, when you say, `OK, make sure you get your pitch in your spot, and take as many pitches as you can, foul off a few pitches' ?  It seems to me that that would make the hitter a little less aggressive.

Bell:  Well, there's no doubt about it.  It's, for me, it's a passive approach. And a lot of times, you find yourself down quicker [when] you work the count, because pitchers are taught to throw strike one.  They don't always do that, but that's what they're taught.  They're taught to throw strike one, so as a hitter, if that's what pitchers are taught, I'm gonna, you know, that, for me as a hitter, seems to be a little bit of an edge, anyway, if you're smart enough to think through things.  But as a hitter, like I said, all the great hitters I've ever talked to or ever been around have always talked about getting busy early in the count, and that's what they did last night.

by antidecaf on Aug 10, 2007 10:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I wonder what great hitters he's been around...
Cause many of them don't say that at all (Ted Williams, etc..)
"I DARE you to make less sense."

by dejackso on Aug 10, 2007 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think of Wade Boggs
too. His philosophy was to never swing at the first pitch. But, that guy had trouble getting over the Mendoza line. Oh, wait. Sorry, I'm thinking of Jason Larue.

by royaldaddy on Aug 10, 2007 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess I'm not "smart enough...
to think through things" then. Buddy Bell, rocket scientist.

Joe Morgan read this drivel and said "now that guy knows what he's talking about. It's all about intangibles with hitting. Guys who swing know how to swing."

by Big Guy on Aug 10, 2007 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I HATE facing the A's
So I think we should hire someone from their organization to be our hitting coach and overhaul our whole organization's hitting approach.

I hate our approach at the plate. It's ridiculous the number of times our guys swing at the first pitch. And rarely does anything good happen when we do. Best case it's a foul ball. Most times, we give them an out on one pitch.

On a related note, does anyone want to scream everytime Splitt says "he's first ball hitting". They aren't first ball hitting, they are first ball swinging; calling it "hitting" is giving it too much credit.

by Big Guy on Aug 10, 2007 10:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hitting Approch
First off you cannot be a successful hitter if you are not aggressive.
First you need a game plan before you get in the box depending on the pitcher, situation, etc.

Ted Williams said he took the first pitch the first time he was facing the pitcher that day.  Every once and a while he would swing a the first pitch of the day just to keep the pitchers honest. You need to know what he has that day is he throwing harder or slower than normal.

The next game you watch keep a total of the first pitch balls put in play the average will more than likely be less than .100.  Ted did a study of that and he said it was in the .090s.

More to come this is my first time posting.  Let me know what you think.  

by cant get right on Aug 10, 2007 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

For those advocating Terry Pendleton
I have read he has a similar approach.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Aug 10, 2007 11:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Aggression is good but...
...you have to be a guy who knows what types of pitches you can handle before you just go up there hacking.  I think the issue with most of the Royals aggression is not that they are first pitch swinging but that they are swinging at first pitches that aren't even close.  If a guy grooves one to you on the first pitch just to get ahead and you just watch it because you think you always have to take the first pitch then you're being silly, but you're also silly to swing at a pitch a foot off the plate because you're being aggressive.

by EricConley on Aug 10, 2007 12:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

More Hitting Approch
I was always taught know where you best pitch to hit is and wait for it until you get two strikes.
Then you have to put the ball in play.  Strikeouts do nothing for the team.

Your not going to swing at the first pitch just because your coach says be aggressive.  You have wasted an ab.  With each pitch you are gathering information.  How's his FB CB CH etc. If you are first pitch swing every time by your third ab you have only seen 3 pitches.  What has that done for your teammates?  

By taking pitches you where down the pitcher.  You get to the bullpen faster.  Ideally in the majors the team would like to see three or more pitcher a night.  That means they have knocked the SP out before the 7th and in a series the more the bullpen is used the better.

by cant get right on Aug 10, 2007 12:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

correct
This is why we make pitchers like Steve Trachsel and Kason Gabbard look like Cy Young winners. You have to make certain pitchers work. The more pitches you see against a Steve Trachsel, the better. He will more than likely start to beat himself. Then, you can get to the bullpen quickly. You can see this with Odalis Perez. Some teams make him look good by first pitch swinging and not waiting on "their pitch". When they're patient, he gets rocked. I was always taught to be patient against a pitcher that doesn't have the best stuff and when a guy has electric stuff, just take the first good pitch you see. This approach can lead to strikeouts, but it will also lead to many more walks. And think back to little league and high school; A walk is as good as a hit.

by royaldaddy on Aug 10, 2007 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome aboard... you make some good
points and seem to know what you are talking about.  Keep it up....

by grudz69 on Aug 10, 2007 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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