Enough???
Hey folks, Billex here. So we have seen the future of Royals baseball. Is it enough?
The core of the current Royals team is likely the core of any success or failure the Royals will have during the next 3-5 years. There are no ML-ready prospects on the farm. Anyone who projects to be a good or better ML player is in KC. The question is: Is it enough? Can the Royals count on improvement from their young players to challenge for a playoff spot in the coming years?
There's certainly reason for optimism. Barring injury, Gordon and Butler should be heart of the order threats for a long time. Teahen could be a great #2 hitter. DeJesus is a very good #1 guy. When he gets on base, he scores, and the Royals win. After that? Not so much. Gathright, who knows? Pena? Well, the Twins have won with poor hitting, strong fielding MIs for years. I love Grudz, and if he keeps doing what he's doing for the next three years, then he's certainly part of a solution rather than a problem. As someone pointed out, even with a poor BA, Buck is an above-average catcher based simply on his power. First base is certainly a question mark. Shealy? Gload? Huber? Someone else? What's important to remember is that barring some shocking development from a minor league bat or two, there is not an impact bat in the system until you get down to a certain 18-year old in Idaho. Also, teams don't trade impact bat-type prospects for the types of middling veterans that the Royals have--Sanders, Brown, Gload, et al. So what you see is what you get. Lubanski's the type of guy who could be something. Maier's VERY fringey. I'm not holding my breath on Stodolka. The point: This is it.
Here's the thing, offensively: The Royals need Butler and Gordon to be stars. If they turn into anything less than that, this offense will never be better than average. If they become stars, this can be a very good, top-5 type offense.
Pitching
I suppose that most Royals fans feel better about the club's pitching than they do about the hitting. It makes sense. Meche has been EXACTLY as expected. He's probably not an ace, but I'd take him as a #2 starter on virtually any rotation in baseball (Padres, BoSox maybe Yanks excepted). We may be witnessing Brian Bannister's best season, but going forward you could do much worse with him as a #3. He makes his starts, keeps his team in the game, pitches deep. He's a very solid pro. The rest of the rotation is a toss-up. (Disclaimer: I own two jerseys. A vintage '80 powder blue #5 and Zack Greinke's #23...) Intelligent Royals fans can NOT expect both Greinke and Soria to be aces. Maybe one of them will be. Maybe they'll both only be decent. Maybe neither of them will ever win 15 games with a sub-4.00 ERA. Young pitchers are nearly impossible to project with confidence. Best case scenario is that two of Greinke, Soria, Hochevar and Buckner become above-average ML starters and that the other two become bullpen weapons. I'm positing this as best case not because I'm down on any of those guys in particular but because that's how it is with prospects. Not one of those guys has ever been rated as highly as Andrew Miller of Detroit, or Philip Hughes in NY, or Homer Bailey in Cincinnati (with the possible exception of Greinke in 2003) and so to hope for any of those four to become a star is just that, hope. Not that it couldn't happen, of course, just that it's not likely. So Meche will be here for four more years. Bannister, Greinke, Soria, Hochevar, De la Rosa, Hudson and Buckner are Royals property until 2011 at least (I believe??). Injuries are always an issue with young arms, but this is the core pitching staff for the Royals going forward. The Royals may pay for another mid-rotation guy in free agency, which makes eight options for the four spots. That seems to me like enough.
I'm not going to consider the bullpen here, because it's something that can be built on a season to season basis. Good teams build good bullpens with average guys. Guys like Riske, Gobble, Peralta, etc. Maybe Hochevar becomes a closer. Maybe Soria's cutter makes him the Rivera of the '10s. Who knows? I have faith that Moore can build and rebuild the bullpen every year just as his old boss in Atlanta does every year.
To conclude:
I guess this is just a long, multi-part question to the RR readers. First, do you agree with me that the Royals we've been watching this year are the Royals of the future? Second, given expected progression, is it enough?
My opinion is that it's a definite maybe. Here's one cautiously optimistic scenario: Gordon and Butler become stars. Like consistent 300/400/500 types with one of them setting a new Royals single-season HR record and the other coming close. Buck and Teahen hit 20 HRs. Gathright steals 40 bases with a .350+ OBP. DeJesus gets on enough to lead the league in Runs scored. Greinke becomes what we've all seen he can be, a 3.50 ERA over 200 IP with a 4/1 K/BB ratio. Soria becomes a top-tier closer. Bannister settles in as a solid mid-rotation guy. Meche photocopies his '07 peripherals for the life of his contract. Two of Hochevar, Buckner, Hudson, De la Rosa and some FA PTBNL fill out the rotation league-averagely. That team challenges for a playoff spot and can make noise in a short series. That team wouldn't be favored to win a WS, but it could.
Finally, I just want to echo some other folks's comments that this season has been a blast to watch. Enjoy it while it lasts, y'all, because pretty soon we're not going to be happy with a sub-.500 record. I can't wait.
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It can happen sometimes
Saberhagen, Jackson, and Gubicza were the primary guys who broke in to the league, and joined by two good vets already on hand (Black and Liebrandt), viola, the Royals had a team good enough to make the playoffs despite a poor offense. (The Royals finished 13th in the AL in runs in 85; I don't recall how they fared in 84...)An easy argument could be made that two of those three (Saberhagen and Jackson) had ace stuff, while Gubicza was, at the least, a competent starter.
Flash to 2007/2008: Royals have Greinke, Bannister, Soria, Buckner, and Hochever, all of whom are fairly young. Why couldn't two of those emerge with ace stuff? Greinke has already shown the ability to do so in 2003, and he appears even better now. Granted, Bannister may not be able to replicate this season due to his low K rate, but then again, giving his awesome BB and HR rates, maybe he can! Doesn't look like the traditional definition of an ace, but those are ace numbers he is posting! Now 4th in the AL in ERA.
I agree that the hitting improvement may need to come from within. I would also suggest if enough of the young pitching talent develops as hoped, trading one of those talents could easily yield two or three additional young hitting talents to supplement that half of the team.
by loyal2s dad on Sep 4, 2007 1:04 PM EDT reply actions
I left
by loyal2s dad on Sep 4, 2007 1:06 PM EDT reply actions
Please
by Scott McKinney on Sep 4, 2007 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
not really ...
I know you needed to satisfy your urge to respond to anything that could be conceived of as negative, even if it is a joke; it does seem, however, that the "hell of a shot" they are giving him is more tied to his recent success than to "a lot of faith."
They are giving him a shot for the wrong reason?
And no, I don't respond to any and all negative comments. When I see something I want to respond to (whether I agree or disagree with it), I respond. I responded to a comment that made no sense. The post implied that the Royals don't value Nunez very highly. Their actions completely contradict that assessment.
by Scott McKinney on Sep 4, 2007 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
as I recall
I'm not saying he was mishandled, although I would not have been overly pleased by the Bradley deal had it gone through. But I don't think it is unfair to make a joke about his status in the organization based on the last couple years.
Besides, it was a joke. I thought it was funny.
I don't think it is unfair; I think it is untrue
by Scott McKinney on Sep 4, 2007 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well ...
Enough said indeed.
Not just a bat
I believe this team lacks a star. It's not fair to expect 22 yr olds to lead a team. Taking that pressure off of the young guys by putting a proven focal point ahead of them would do so much to ease that.
oops..
My offseason wishlist
Hitting is a little more complicated. FA hitters are every bit as overvalued as the pitchers. I do think the Royals will pull off a trade involving a bullpen arm like Gobble and one of the CF's Gator/DDJ. What that will get us I don't know? Carlos Quentin, Matt Murton? We need a solution longterm for LF or SS. Assuming Billy Butler takes over at 1B that's one more thing off our list. DH could be a rotation between Shealy and Butler next year with perhaps Sweeney in the mix. The Bench being TPJ, German, Gload, Huber, Phillips, Sweeney.

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