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Royals Insider: Jose Guillen

After a four-day break, we focus on the next Royals Insider victim, arguably our highest profile offseason acquisition, Jose Guillen.


What brand of Jose Guillen will surface this year?

Signed as a nondrafted free agent out of San Cristobal, Dominican Republic by the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1992, Guillen was projected as a five-tool corner outfielder. After working his way through the three lowest Pirates Minor league affiliates, Guillen experienced a breakthrough season in 1996, his first full campaign. He hit .322/.357/.498 and stole 24 bases in 37 attempts in 528 at-bats. The following season, the talent-thin Pirates, desperate to seek help in their depleted outfield, Guillen was promoted to Pittsburgh, and he stuck the entire season, hitting 14 home runs and driving in 70 runs in 498 at-bats and 143 games. In 1998, he almost duplicated his '97 line exactly, connecting for a similar .267/.298/.414 clip. The right-hander began to develop a reputation as a free-swinger throughout the league, with considerable power (38 doubles in 1998) but not quite enough compensation for his lackluster plate discipline and batting average.

The following season, Guillen was traded to the Devil Rays for catchers Humberto Cota and Joe Oliver. Guillen spent most of the season playing second fiddle for last-place Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay, and experienced a rather dramatic power dropoff, overall. Guillen spent the following two seasons being nagged with injuries, including two sprains to his left knee. He would spend the following two seasons playing for Cincinnati, Arizona, and Oakland. For Cincinnati in 2003, he experienced an overwhelming power surge, and hit .337/.385/.629 in the first half of the season, before being traded to the postseason-aspiring Oakland Athletics. Perhaps Guillen's offensive breakout was stalled because of his age; he was rushed through the minors and began playing full time at merely 21 years old. The following two seasons, Guillen found success with the Anaheim Angels (.294/.352/.497/.849) and the inaugural Washington Nationals (.283/.338/.479/.817). After a 2006 that was riddled with injuries (right hamstring and elbow forced him to play in only 69 games), the Seattle Mariners signed Guillen to a one-year contract, with a club option, before 2007. He surged through again in 2007 with the Emeralds, hitting 99 RBI's, 23 home runs, and 28 doubles in 593 at-bats.

After 2006, the Mariners declined a $9MM team option on Jose Guillen, who knew that he would perhaps receive more guaranteed cash on the open market. Retaining Guillen quite simply didn't make sense for the Mariners, who had young outfielders Adam Jones and Wladimir Balentien (both of whom the Royals had reportedly pursued in the middle of 2007) ready to emerge onto the big league scene. Less than a month later, the Royals had become the frontrunners in the sweepstakes for the power hitter. On December 6, 2007, the R's signed him to a 3-year, $36 million contract. General Manager Dayton Moore felt that Guillen would be an offensive force in the middle of the lineup.

"We feel we have acquired an impact bat from the right side of the plate," Royals general manager Dayton Moore said. "He has a proven major league track record of success and we are looking forward to seeing him in the lineup in Kansas City."

Perhaps his late-career surge can be explained by being rushed through the minors, or could it perhaps be explained by a more sinister matter? Moore and the Royals front office seized a calculated risk that would force Guillen to continue his 2003-2005 and 2007 production while serving as an impact, middle-of-the-order bat that would eventually complement franchise hopefuls Billy Butler, Alex Gordon, and Mark Teahen. However, Guillen will serve a suspension on the first fifteen days of 2007 for violating Major League Baseball's Joint Drug Prevention and Treatment Program. Guillen had admitted to Commissioner Bud Selig that he ordered and used performance-enhancing supplements at the beginning of the '07-'08 offseason. Guillen's name would eventually appear in the San Francisco Chronicle, and later, in the Mitchell Report.

His activities in the clubhouse were often questionable at best. As I mentioned, the Halos suspended Guillen in September 2004 without pay - and also without delving into specifics. Former Devil Rays (and Royals) manager Hal McRae recently called Jose Guillen 'the most difficult human being I ever dealt with.' Most recently, the newly acquired outfielder implied that he wouldn't accept a position change in the Royals outfield. Although he would later refute such a comment, it's not difficult to realize that Guillen's "hot-headiness", so to speak, may resurface down the road in a Royals uniform. If his production tapers off in any fashion, he may become one of the most unpopular Royals in both the clubhouse and in the blogosphere.

Nonetheless, I believe Guillen will continue to serve as an above average offensive contributor next season. Here are my projections for Jose in 2008:

GS/G: 140/141
AB: 558
H: 158
AVG: .283
OBP: .349
SLG: .462
HR: 21
RBI: 85
R: 78
1B: 102
2B: 33
3B: 2
SB: 3
CS: 2
OPS+: 116

On-field performance:
Experiences significant dropoff overall: 30%
2004-2005, 2007 Guillen: 60%
Career season: 10%

Injury contingency:
Injured for 15 days or more: 20%

Whereabouts:
Staying in Kansas City all season: 100%

Job allocation:
Starting corner outfielder: 100%

ASSETS:

  • Tremendous throwing arm (9 or more assists 2003-2005 and 2007)
  • Doubles and HR power (28 doubles, 23 HR's in pitcher-friendly SAFECO in 2007, .497, .479, and .460 SLG% three of last four seasons)
  • FLAWS:
  • Well below average base-stealer (46% CS percentage); with declining speed, not a threat to steal
  • History as negative clubhouse force (In 2004, the Anaheim Angels refused to play him down the playoff stretch because of his clubhouse antics; also caused disturbances in Tampa Bay and Washington)
  • Current salary and contract (3 Y/$36MM) might be steep considering his age (31) and the Royals current mode (rebuilding).
  • The acquisition of Jose Guillen drew mixed responses in both the Royals blogosphere and the national media. Well-known Kansas City Star writer, and now blogger, Joe Posnanski criticized the contract heavily in a Kansas City Star column. Some writers lambasted Moore for dramatically overpaying for a good, but never great, player, which was similar to the methods by which they criticized Moore following the Meche signing in December 2006. Jose Guillen carries the baggage of a poor clubhouse player and an ex-steroid abuser. He will also turn 32 years old in May, which, if his career path follows that of most professional ballplayers, his prime is probably in the past. The Guillen signing is an unquestionably risky move. Many Royals fans cannot help but be reminded of similar - but now disastrous - offensive signings, such as Kevin McReynolds and Juan Gonzalez.

    Overall, I feel that despite (supposedly) ceasing PED's, Guillen will continue his considerable mid-decade production into 2008. Although I somewhat dubiously questioned Dayton Moore's offense-building skills several months ago, I believe Moore not only paid market-value monetary for Guillen, but will also receive market-value production from the corner outfielder. Perhaps what Guillen may prove the city - and (of course) its surrounding area of Royals faithful - wrong is that one can continue to contribute well after using the juice. His contract will unfortunately likely be dead weight by mid-2010, but which long-term contract isn't, in this Seligian Money Era in baseball? Although Guillen will probably call his character and attitude into question with disheartening quotes several times in his Royal tenure, I believe Guillen will, in the long run, make up for it with his bat.

    I'm looking forward to watching Guillen contribute from the middle of the order in 2008.

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    arm
    i wasn't aware of guillen's good arm... as teahen develops, we might end up with one of the best defensive outfields in the league.  or at least one that makes everyone think twice before taking the extra base or tagging up on a fly ball.  that's a great asset to have.

    by Gordon Roy on Jan 22, 2008 6:48 AM EST reply actions  

    Range is significantly more important than arm
    Guillen is a poor defensive player because he has limited range, which is by far the biggest flaw in his game.

    by Gopherballs on Jan 22, 2008 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

    says who
    i haven't seen any scouting reports saying his range is horrible... am i missing something?

    by Gordon Roy on Jan 23, 2008 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

    Here is one
    Chris Dial at Baseball Think Factory just published this article today.  LINK.

    I am not sure of his criteria other than it is based on range and excludes "holds" (throwing out runners).  He concluded that last year "The worst right fielder was Jose Guillen for the Mariners with a -20 DRS.  And he wasn't throwing out runners like Cuddyer."  DRS = Defensive Runs Saved.  A -20 would equate to roughly two additional team loses due to Guillen's feilding.

    This seems out of tune with other ratings I have seen of Guillen, which place him around the middle of the pack.

    by James Quinn on Jan 23, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

    Seattle's outfield
    One other note.  According to that same article, the worst left fielder last year in the AL, "The Cast Iron Skillet goes to Seattle's Raul Ibanez at -23 DRS."

    Suzuki's move to CF made him just a notch above average (+4).

    So, according to Dial, the Mariners had the worst RF and LF in the AL, and a CF just a bit above average.  This takes any Safco pitcher's park advantage, and than some.  If Dial's numbers are accurate than the Seattle OF defense came it at -39, equaling about four additional team loses.

    But then again, maybe his numbers are screwy.

    by James Quinn on Jan 23, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

    Every defensive metric basically agrees with him
    UZR had Guillen at -21 (meaning 21 runs allowed below the average RF), which was worst in the majors for RF.  Ibanez was -30 for LF.

    Both Dave Pinto's PMR (available at Baseball Musings) and John Dewan's RZR (published by the Hardball Times) had Guillen at the equivalent of -15 runs.  PMR had Ibanez at -8, and RZR had him at -20.

    And, yes, Seattle is not a smart organization for failing to comprehend the importance of defense.  

    by Gopherballs on Jan 23, 2008 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

    Moore mad a mistake
    on this guy becuase of this negative past. I have never cared for this guy. It will only be a matter of time before his personality and attitude surfaces with the Royals. I really thought we were finished with these type of players.
    A Loyal Royal

    by bobchisam on Jan 22, 2008 8:13 AM EST reply actions  

    Fair projection
    The 349 OBP might be a bit optimistic, as Guillen rarely walks, but the power is real and he has the skills to continue to hit for a decent average.  Although definitely not Manny Ramirez-bad, his lack of defensive range cuts into his overall value, but the bat is good enough to carry him for now.  Ideally, he would DH twice a week when fly-ball pitchers Greinke and Bannister start.  

    by Gopherballs on Jan 22, 2008 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

    If Guillen ever DHs, Hillman better put Butler
    at first base and not on the bench.  If he starts Gload at first while Butler collects pine splinters I'll spit.

    Do you know what would be great!  If the Royals signed a better hitting outfielder than Guillen who is also a great outfielder, not a 'roid head, and also not a persistent jackass in the clubhouse.  And if they did it all for the same amount of money!  Hmmmm  One guess who I am thinking about.  (God I am a pain in the butt.)

    by James Quinn on Jan 22, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

    Not every Plan A works out -- boo hoo hoo
    You move on.  Offensively, Guillen was one of the 15-20 best corner outfielders, and with his skillset, he is likely to come close to repeating that performance.  He is a damn fine Plan B.

    But I totally agree with Butler at 1B, not the bench.

    by Gopherballs on Jan 22, 2008 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

    Well, I'm stumped - I must be thick
    Who the heck are you talking about? Torii Hunter? Andruw Jones? They were both considerably more expensive, weren't they? And we supposedly tried to sign them, didn't we?
    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Jan 22, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

    I assumed you meant American
    Because I consider Japanese players to be unproven until you actually see them play with the Americans. You might get a Hideki Matsui, or you might get a Kazuo Matsui.

    In retrospect, I see you didn't use the word "proven" in your post that I had responded to.

    Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

    by cmkeller on Jan 22, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

    Nah, he is not proven in the US yet.
    I base my claim that Fukudome is a better hitter than Guillen on the ZiPS projection.  (I only half believe it myself)  Anyway, even if he OPS' fifty points under Guillen I still think Fukudome will be the better player overall.  He is a much better defender, a good baserunner, and was well-liked by his old team.

    We'll see.  I actually do hope I am wrong about Guillen.  I'll try to start cheering for him soon.  Must finish swallowing the pill of bitterness first.  I am so down on Guillen that I would have rather the Royals signed Goeff Jenkins and kept Emil Brown for a L/R platoon instead.

    by James Quinn on Jan 22, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

    I was ambivalent about this signing
    And feel worse and worse about it every day. I think by year three of this deal, he will have replaced Berroa and Sweeney as the whipping boy among Royals fans.
    Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

    by RoyalsRetro on Jan 22, 2008 2:42 PM EST reply actions  

    Yeah...
    I'm pretty much with you on this.  I was disappointed when I first heard about the trade, the more and more I research it or even read about it, the more disappointed I get.

    by belt on Jan 22, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

    Whipping Boy
    We have to complain about somebody, right? No one is ever completely satisfied with their team, so maybe Moore did us a favor by removing any doubt about who it would be.  

    In all seriousness, though, he hasn't even gotten to ST and people are all over him.  Let's see how he plays.  

    by BrRoyal on Jan 23, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions  

    he'll be traded by the deadline of 2009
    bottom line
    I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

    by LeoBloom on Jan 22, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions  

    i dont think the timing is great for a trade
    I can't see the royals trading him in '08. As for '09, well, we should be contending then, right? If we are, again, natch on a likely trade, unless the situation is already toxic and we're basically giving him away... As for '10, well, I guess its possible, but I can't think that far into the future. I'll probably be dead by then.

    by Freneau on Jan 22, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

    Getting to know Jose Guillen!
    Maybe it is an "urban legend" of sorts, but according to Jeff Kallman one scout wrote a single word on Guillen's evaluation sheet in the character section.  "asshole."

    -----

    Here is a blog story from Distinguished Senators regarding Guillen's behavior in Anaheim and Washington.  Some fun reading.  Guillen clearly has issues with the truth, accepting criticism, and, well, just other people who happen to exist in his vicinity.

    -----

    From the Sporting News:

    "Every time he goes to a new team, in the beginning you hear about what a great guy he is and a great teammate he is," an executive in the American League says. "But then something always happens. At a certain point, that's a real track record, in the same way that somebody's career numbers are a track record."

    The Angels must have been nodding and smiling smugly when they heard about Guillen's outburst in the dugout on July 8. After getting hit by a pitch from Pedro Martinez and teammate Esteban Loaiza failed to retaliate, Guillen got into a shouting argument with Loaiza and catcher Brian Schneider in the dugout. A similar incident in Anaheim last season was the start of Guillen's troubles with the Angels.

    "A lot of people say Jose Guillen is a cancer in the clubhouse," Guillen says. "But I have never had a problem with one of my teammates. Never. Never. I've been misunderstood most of my career."

    -----

    Why did Guillen get into an on-field fight with former teammate Brendan Donnelly?  "He was staring at me," the Seattle Mariners' outfielder told a reporter, after the big stink. "I don't know what he was saying, but I don't like whatever it was."

    -----

    One consistent comment from Guillen, he is misunderstood and has never acted in a way he thinks was uncalled for.  He thinks he does not have a problem and that he has just gotten a bad rap from the media.  "No one understands me."

    by James Quinn on Jan 22, 2008 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

    bad
    there are guys that are supposedly bad dudes according to the media, but who usually are loved by teammates... i usually dont have a problem with those guys

    but when people are consistently disliked by their teammates, who are overall pretty easy to please people who dont care baout 90% of anything, thats a bad sign

    by Freneau on Jan 23, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

    seems like a good strategy
    if you're the opposing team, is to bean Guillen early in the game.  If we don't retaliate, he'll go nuts.

    by marbotty on Jan 23, 2008 2:45 AM EST up reply actions  

    I haven't liked this signing
    from the start and I don't like it more by the day. Yeah, it helps the offense, but he is a poor teammate and a doper (He has claimed to have stopped, but his credibility is equal to O.J.'s). But, it's done. Guillen is a Royal. I will root for him because of the name on the front of his jersey. That being said, I could see more than 21 homers. He's not breaking Balboni's record, but 30 jacks is not out of the question.

    by royaldaddy on Jan 22, 2008 10:41 PM EST reply actions  

    Guillen Blows Out
    An ACL in May. In desperation we bring up Lubanski and insert him in LF. He goes .300/.390/.515 and wins ROY. The Royals win the AL Central, beat the Yankees in the ALCS, and sweep the surprise Cards in the series. All this is because of the Guillen signing. Guillen is who we thought he was; crown his ass.
    I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

    by philofthenorth on Jan 23, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply actions  

    he's who we thought he was
    one of the best things ever

    i still remember the first time i saw that, on ESPN News, night of

    by Freneau on Jan 23, 2008 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

    I Knew I Was
    Watching history being made.
    I'm not getting older....oh, wait, yes I am....and slower.... and weaker. God, this is great!

    by philofthenorth on Jan 23, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

    Cardinals
    in the series!?  That team is in shambles.

    by sprntern8 on Jan 23, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

    Wow
    Nobody has even reported to ST yet, this is amazing. I love how we can reserve judgement for many other players, but Guillen gets whipped before he's even given a chance.

    Maybe he succeeds, maybe he falls, but as a Royals fan I will be rooting for him and waiting to see what he does in Royal blue before judging him.

    by MileHighKCfan on Jan 25, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply actions  

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