Five "other" offseason ideas
Couple ideas that haven't been talked about. I will withhold my "official" opinion until a bit later.
Boof Bonser, RHP
He's been pretty much banished to the bullpen with the Twinkies. Has pretty good stuff, can run it up there to 95. Had a good FIP this year despite a bloated ERA, mostly came from a very odd 57% strand rate. Probably wouldn't take much more than a mid level prospect to get. Could be a Davies like project with mid-rotation upside.
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Jeff Clement, C
via www.minorleaguebaseball.com
The Mariners have some nice catching depth and might be willing to deal from a position of depth. It might require Butler, but it may be worth it. Clement has always hit, and I believe he still holds the national high school record for home runs with 75. His defense has been called into question, but it's supposedly improved enough to where he could stick behind the dish.
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Josh Willingham, OF
Marlins will obviously sell off their "expensive" players, and Willingham is arbitration eligible for the first time this winter. He can hit, his average OPS the last three years has been about .840, with half his games coming at Dolphin Stadium which I believe is a pitchers park. His strikeouts went up a little this year, but his power stayed the same and he took a few more walks to keep his OBP high. Isn't that good defensively, but I don't know exactly how bad/good he is.
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Bobby Abreu, OF
via mlb.mlb.com
A lot more of the talk around here has been for Burrell, Dunn, and Rivera, but this guy might be a decent option as a free agent as well. Probably would only be an option for me if we managed to trade Guillen, because otherwise the defense would be very bad. He is not awful defensively but Abreu is a bit below average. He is durable and a good on-base guy with a little pop.
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Chris Duncan, 1B/OF
via mlb.mlb.com
With the emergence of other outfielders with the Cardinals and a pretty decent first baseman, Duncan could be traded (my speculation). I'd be looking at him as a RHP masher (he is awful against lefties, like TPJ awful) in a platoon role in the outfield (and maybe 1B or DH on occasion if necessary). I think he's pretty awkward in the outfield, but his career .282/.374/.519 line against RHP would make that tolerable. Do not know what it take to acquire him, should not be ridiculous though.
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I would be interested in
Clement and Willingham. Boonser meh. Abreu will require too much $$$. I was interested in Duncan earlier when the season was just beginning but it seems we have plenty of okish 1b options at this time. Saw him on tv once in the outfield-it was Butler esque.
by gordonrules on Oct 10, 2008 12:12 AM EDT 0 recs
Clement
I will admit I would like to have him. Though it might cost Butler like I said, that could be worth it if you think he’d stick at catcher. He can definitely hit for power and take some walks. I think he bats lefty, not sure if he has a platoon split or not.
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by doublestix on
Oct 10, 2008 12:40 AM EDT
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well he's a lefty,
but, interestingly enough, both in his (limited) time in the majors and minors, he’s hit lefties better… now I’m interested. Don’t know what it would take, though.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 12:44 AM EDT
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hhmmmm.
just looking at their respective neutraliaed minor league numbers… they have almost identical OPSes. Can’t see why the Mariners would do that trade, though, since if they’re equal hitters, the Mariners can always move Clement to 1B/DH if he can’t stick at catcher or the younger catchers are better or are ready soon.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 12:49 AM EDT
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Now we're talking!
I mean, I just like stuff like this…
Boof isn’t a bad idea if he comes cheap. Pitching depth is pitching depth.
are the Mariners really deep at Catcher? they did, in line with all their other brilliant moves, resign Jojhima (sp?), but he sucks ass.
How long would the Royals have control of Willingham? I know you don’t like defensive metrics, doublestix, but you asked. The stuff I’ve seen says he was decent this year, but sucked ass a la Jose Guillen last year.
I’ve got a piece I’ve been working on that involves Abreu in a minor starring role, but let’s just say that the same metrics have him as perhaps the worst defensive player in the Al this year, and one of the worst RFs last year — yeah, even worse than JoGui. He’s declining, too. I like him — despite his defensive problems, altogether he was still more than three wins better than Guillen this year. But you’re right, not doable with JoGui on the team. I see him as an RF version of Ibanez — could help a lot of teams, but maybe not the best choice for the Royals, given their situation.
Don’t know much about Duncan. The Royals could use a guy who can hit RHP, and his PrOPS make this year seem like an outlier — his 2007 and 2006 numbers seem to be for real. His defense doesn’t rate all that badly, around average, although the sample sizes are small.
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by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 12:15 AM EDT 0 recs
Duncan seems a bit like an Eric Hinske-type
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 12:24 AM EDT
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OMG Butler for Duncan NOW!!!!
- on baseball reference list of similar players?
The Mighty Quinn
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
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that’s “number 10”
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 12:26 AM EDT
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similar
although Duncan is better. his career OPS against RHP is about 80 points higher.
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by doublestix on
Oct 10, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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and yes
the M’s have a couple nice catching prospects behind Clement – Rob Johnson (who was in AAA this year) and Adam Moore (AA). they obviously wouldn’t give away Clement because of this, but he might be pryable (that a word?) if they could get a decent deal for them.
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by doublestix on
Oct 10, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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What would be a decent deal?
I would guess it would take a player like DeJesus or Butler to get them to move Clement.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 10, 2008 10:06 AM EDT
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I think that is the bare minimum of what it would take
Clement’s stock dipped some because of his poor rookie year line, but this is a catcher who has hit the tar off the ball in every level of the minors. Guys like that don’t grow on trees. Even if the M’s have a couple good catching prospects behind Clement, I wouldn’t expect that circumstance to lower their asking price much, if at all. If Butler or DDJ were the main piece in that deal, I think the M’s would probably want a throw-in as well.
by DarthYoshi on
Oct 10, 2008 12:32 PM EDT
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Clement for Butler and Lumsden! And Gathright.
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by 306008 on
Oct 11, 2008 6:07 PM EDT
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+G-Load!!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Oct 12, 2008 1:48 PM EDT
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i'll take your word for it on the defense
i suppose metrics are better than nothing. although everything i’ve read suggests Duncan is a bad defender.
we’d have Willingham for 3 years.
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by doublestix on
Oct 10, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
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Duncan is pretty badly injured...
Just so you know. That, and I think the Cardinals would want either MI or pitching instead. The Royals don’t have MI to give up because they’re trying to solve that issue themselves…so that would leave pitching.
As a Cards fan, I love Chris Duncan, but I think that the Royals could probably get away with a B- or C+ pitching prospect for Duncan, until we see if he is going to play better or not.
by stlfan on
Oct 10, 2008 1:02 PM EDT
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My take
I’ve never been a big fan of Boof Bonser, and at best, he’d be a placeholder for one year until Rosa and/or Cortes get ticketed for full-time starting rotation duty. Despite decent stuff, he has had two back-to-back years where he was mediocre at best. Unless we end up in a position where we need starting pitching for next year (ie, we trade Greinke), then I say pass. We are not in a position where we need to give up talent for a #5 starter/long reliever.
I’d be interested in Clement, but am worried that the M’s asking price would be too high (if they are looking for prospects, I imagine they would start with someone like Moose Tacos—not Butler—and escalate from there).
Willingham is probably the only guy on this list whom I’d spend a lot of time trying to pursue. Good plate discipline and ok power. I could see him being a great #2 hitter for us. It would mean we’d have to keep DDJ in CF, but I can live with that. Not sure what the Marlins would demand for him, though, and he’ll turn 30 over the offseason, so he’ll probably start declining towards the end of the three years we’d have him. I don’t know how bad his D is.
I would stay away from Abreu, if for no other reason than he has “overpriced, declining veteran” written all over him. If we’re looking for OBP, then Willingham has almost matched Abreu for OBP in the last two years (.369 and .371 for Abreu, .364 for Willingham both years). You can see the decline in Abreu’s stats since 2004—aside from a brief bump when he joined the Yankees, his numbers have been consistently dropping, and I see no reason to think they won’t continue to do so. I also would imagine he’d want a multiyear contract, and that could very well become another albatross around GMDM’s neck (see also: J. Guillen).
As for Duncan…I’d be fine platooning him at first with Shealy and/or Butler (and subsequently releasing Ross Gload), but I would try signing Eric Hinske first—Duncan is probably the better player, but Hinske will come cheaper, and I wouldn’t want to give up much for someone who would end up being a platoon player anyways.
If I had to rank them, in order of most to least interest, it’d probably go:
Willingham
Clement
Duncan
Abreu
Bonser
by DarthYoshi on Oct 10, 2008 1:12 AM EDT 0 recs
I'd say you have to go with Bonser earlier than that.
The guy could break out anytime. Duncan is a PED product. Abreu is getting to the point where a large contract would not be a good investment (see your thoughts on Lowe),.
Willingham
Clement
Bonser
Abreu
Duncan
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by 306008 on
Oct 11, 2008 6:10 PM EDT
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I mostly agree with you
except on Bonser (where I think we’ll have to agree to disagree—I just don’t see many rays of light looking at his stats and peripherals). And there is a definite gap in my ranking between Clement and Duncan, much more so than probably any of gaps between the other five candidates.
by DarthYoshi on
Oct 13, 2008 9:44 PM EDT
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Duncan
for those of you wondering – I get Cardinal games as well as Royals games on cable here in Jeff City, and let me assure everybody that Duncan is an absolute BUTCHER in the outfield. He is, indeed, like Butler in the outfield. He is passable at 1B, but the Royals have enough options at that position already.
I say pass on Duncan – he’s just not a good fit for our team or our ballpark.
by loyal2sdad on Oct 10, 2008 9:45 AM EDT 0 recs
*if*
We could get Duncan for a reasonable ransom from the Cards and we subsequently DFAed Gload, I probably wouldn’t mind having him. He and Shealy could probably be a fairly productive 1b platoon (certainly more productive than what we had going for us this year), Butler can continue to DH, and Kila can be waiting in the wings if one of those three guys gets injured or becomes ineffective. The fact that Duncan is Butler-esque in the OF just isn’t much of a concern for me—I would never envision him playing in the OF, period.
by DarthYoshi on
Oct 10, 2008 12:27 PM EDT
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Agreed loyal2sdad
Duncan can catch the ball at him (even though it doesn’t look pretty) and he can get to a ball that is reasonably close and make the play…but anything that should or could be a hit…will be. If he has to go back towards the wall, it’s probably a hit.
by stlfan on
Oct 10, 2008 1:04 PM EDT
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Just a thought
Teahen and Bannister for Bonser and Jason Kubel?
For Minnesota: They land a 3B they need (assuming Teahen can play 3B regularly again). They move Cuddyer to open up a spot in the OF/DH (Young/Gomez/Span/Kubel). Cuddyer is signed through 2011, but gets expensive soon and is coming off a disappointing injury filled season. Bonser and Banny are swaps for disappointing pitcher for disappointing pitcher.
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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 10:05 AM EDT 0 recs
Not Kubel, I mean Cuddyer.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 10, 2008 10:05 AM EDT
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seems like a decent trade
but would we trade with someone in the AL central? I remember the Sisco for Gload swap but thats the last one I can recall.
by gordonrules on
Oct 10, 2008 11:14 AM EDT
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Sounds like a good trade to me
Fair and beneficial to both teams. I don’t think Moore minds intra-division trades, particularly when we’re not talking about impact players. Moore has made multiple trades with the White Sox (Sisco-Gload, MacDougal-Cortes/Lumsden, Ramirez-Orlando).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 12:08 PM EDT
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Well, fleecing Kenny Williams
is not just any old “intra-division” trade.
But you gotta give the guy credit, somehow his team keeps winning despite his eagerness to trade for Royals bullpen cast-offs.
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by cmkeller on
Oct 10, 2008 1:16 PM EDT
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"somehow"
who knew that Nick Swisher, Carlos Quentin, and John Danks would be upgrades over Scott Podsednik, Darin Erstad/Brian Anderson, and Jose Contreras?
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 1:21 PM EDT
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If Kenny trades for a semi-adequate 3B instead of a Swisher-blocking Griffey
do the Sox at least force a game 5 against the Rays?
by Gopherballs on
Oct 10, 2008 2:41 PM EDT
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I dunno
I don’t think Kenny’s brilliant or anything, but I think we should at least acknowledge that he’s risen above the Colletti-esque joke stage of the Podsednick/Alomar/Everett years.
I read a rumor (and you know how reliable internet rumors are) that Kenny really likes Griffey… any hope he’ given up on the Swish?
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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Kenny Williams
Even I will admit that in addition to his truly stupid moves, he’s made some very shrewd, intelligent moves. I think he’s risen out of the bottom quarter of GM’s. Maybe even out of the bottom third.
Even if he wants to trade Swisher, he recognizes that he still has significant trade value. So even if he’s gettable, it would cost a pretty penny in talent.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 3:28 PM EDT
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It's gonna happen
I’m just going to keep wishing until my dreams come true
I’m sure there’s a joke in here about economic policy…
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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I have to ask the tough question
I’d love to have Swisher. He’s good and cheap through 2012. But what would you give up for him?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 3:43 PM EDT
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Not what it would take, probably
Like I said, I know I’m dreaming.
Individually, I’d give up
Butler. But the Sox are set with sluggardly sluggers already. Probably not fair to them, either/
DDJ. Probably still better on defense than Swisher. Yeah, the Royals wouldn’t have anyone to replace DDJ, whom I love. But if DDJ has really lost a step, it wouldn’t be as much of a defensive downgrade as people think. The Sox could use a CF.
He wouldn’t do it by himself, I guess throwing in Guillen and a chunk of his salary would help, but, again, why would the Sox do that? They’ve already got better guys in the corners, so where would Guillen play?
Maybe they like Kyle Davies now? I dunno, combine him with either Butler or DDJ. That might not work for either team — maybe a bit too much for the Royals, no place to play for the guy the Sox get.
Are they getting sick of Bobby Jenks? If Soria’s going to close, well… I actually think a “closer-only” Soria straight up for Swisher might be good for the Royals. Even if one thinks that, context-free, Soria is more valuble, the Royals have replacements for him, while not having any corner outfielders remotely as valuble as Swisher, either in the majors or in their system
I guess the Soria option seems the most doable, and Kenny has traded for closers in his ugly past… but they do have Jenks
Just trying to think of a way the Royals could get a good young OF and I can’t. Swisher just seemed like a gy who might be “down” in value
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 3:53 PM EDT
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Sounds good
I have a feeling Williams would like to have DDJ. He likes OF defense and Quentin and Dye could certainly use an above average defensive CFer. And I believe there have been rumors of KW being interested in DDJ before. So it would take DDJ+ to get Swisher. DDJ + Davies? Maybe, but that seems a little light. I think KW would require more. Their minor league system has been stripped clean. Maybe a good prospect would help. DDJ + Davies + Rosa? I think that’s fair. That would certainly cause the Royals some pain. But the pain would be lessened dramatically if Soria moved to the rotation.
Soria for Swisher would be fair and I’m all for it. But the Chisox don’t need a closer and I don’t think they think they need one either.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 4:00 PM EDT
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Soria for Swisher would be fair????
Not in my world it wouldn’t be.
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by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 10, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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Unfortunately, you aren't the one making personnel decision for the Royals
In this case, I wish you were.
But if DMGM really doesn’t want to try Soria in the rotation, for whatever reason, then Swisher is fair, given the Royals corner outfield situation.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 4:20 PM EDT
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Maybe you're right
Swisher is a good defensive corner OFer (and a below average defensive CFer) who is a good hitter with a high OBP. The numbers show he was very unlucky this season. And he’s young, cheap and under contract through 2012 (actually through 2011 with a team option for 2012).
Do you think Soria for Swisher is too much for the Royals to give up, or too much for the Sox to give up? What do you think Soria’s value on the trade market is? Quite frankly, I’m not sure. I’m interested in what everyone thinks.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 4:28 PM EDT
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DMGM admitted that there are those in the
organization that think that Soria should be a starter, which would lead me to believe that there are like-minded people in other orgs. Is it possible that some of these people might actually overvalue him as a starter and give up a solid corner guy?
I tend to think that Moore would really have to be floored to move Soria, though.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
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by Royal Kingdom on
Oct 10, 2008 5:17 PM EDT
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Is it possible that some of these people might actually overvalue him as a starter and give up a solid corner guy?
I think an elite, dominant, inexpensive closer who is under contract for multiple years is worth a solid corner guy, even if no one thought he could ever be a starter. I think closers are valued that highly by most GM’s. (solid corner guy not a great corner guy). I’m sure some GM’s see Soria as a potential starter, which would only increase his value, but probably not increase it greatly.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Moore is interested in trading Soria either.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 5:25 PM EDT
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GMs are crippled by fear when it comes to very popular players
If they never trade them, everyone is always happy.
If they trade them and it doesn’t pan out, they are cursed up and down.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
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by Royal Kingdom on
Oct 10, 2008 5:38 PM EDT
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True
But when you have a long history of losing, a GM should just say fuck it and do whatever he thinks will lead to more wins and getting his team into the playoffs, no matter what the fans think. There would be a fan backlash if the Royals traded Greinke or Soria. But if it leads to more wins, the backlash would evaporate and turn into a lovefest.
In a minor defense of Moore, I would say that his reluctance to trade Soria is because he thinks it would be best for the team to keep him, not because he’s afraid of fan backlash. Of course, the real problem is that he thinks it is best for the Royals to keep him as a closer, rather than trade him for something more valuable. Or maybe he wants to pump up Soria’s value with another season of dominant closing before trading him. There’s a case to be made for maximizing Soria’s value before trading him closer to the time the Royals will be contending.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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This is exactly right
and understandable. See what happened to DePodesta after his good trades.
Still, this is exactly what I mean about a lack of imagination from GMs. I should have added lack of balls (won’t be able to say that if Kim Ng gets hired by Seatlle).
I remember us talking about this with respect to Soria, and Gopherballs hit the nail on the head whe he said that “fans would forgive as the first time Nick Markakis went deep” or something ilke that.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 6:22 PM EDT
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If the Royals have to give up DDJ
and a bit more, I’d say try to get Brian Anderson back, too. Not that I think he could start, but he’s a hell of a CF defender. Can’t hit that well, although his PrOPS for the last three years aren’t horrible — all over .700 OPS. He’d be a nice fourth outfielder — late inning defensive sub, unless people think MITCH can be an equally good defender for less money and might be able to OPS .680…
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 11, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
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why not just swap Cuddyer for Teahen straight up?
Just curious. I get the feeling that Bonser and Banny have roughly equal trade value (maybe Banny has a little more by way of his 2007 line, but both sides would still be selling low).
by DarthYoshi on
Oct 10, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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Some uncommitted thoughts on Teahen vs. Cuddyer
I thought that the Royals should have been trying to trade Teahen to the Twins since after the 2006 season, when Teahen was at a high point, value-wise as young, good hitting 3B. Perhaps the Royals could have gotten Scott Baker or even that “bad egg” Matt Garza. And the Twins haven’t had a decent 3B since Corey Koskie.
Cuddyer will be 30 next year, Teahen will be 27.
Cuddyer/Teahen PrOPS the last three seasons:
2008: .739/.743
2007: .786/.706
2006: .843/.807
Cuddyer’s a rightly who does have a bit of a platoon split, but it’s not on a “par” with Alex Gordon or Jose Guillen. Careeer .281/.371/441 vs. lefties, .261/.331/.441 vs. righties.
Cuddyer’s small sample size of defense in RF wasn’t good this year, and his RZR/OOZ translations from 2007 are slighty better than Bobby Abreu and silghtly worse than Jose Guillen. Significantly worse than Teahen in the field both years. Seems like a heard a rumor about Minnesota moving him back to third — can’t imagine that he’d be much better there.
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
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Cuddyer was one of the runners up to Guillen on player playing most out of position
The idea was that Cuddyer should be playing 3B, not the OF. Cuddyer’s contract is reasonable for a corner outfielder/infielder, and is their one decent right-handed bat, so I doubt the Twins would be very motivated to move him.
by Gopherballs on
Oct 10, 2008 1:03 PM EDT
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Oh uh... better not risk it
things could get ugly if he comes to the Royals… Who would play third? Who is making the biggest sacrifice by playing out of position? Would Guillen constantly find an excuse to shove his trophy in Cuddyer’s face?
CONFUSION IN THE CLUBHOUSE
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by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 1:08 PM EDT
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Good List of Targets
Bonser would be a nice gamble. The one thing keeping Bonser from being a solid middle of the rotation starter is his HR rate. The K would help the HR rate, but it suppresses HRs at a rate only a little better than the Metrodome. He is from the Gil Meche school of decent control/bad command pitchers, but with lower upside due to the not quite as good raw stuff.
Clement is the right idea, but I doubt he would be available. The Mariners are in full tilt rebuild mode, and would be looking to acquire players like Clement, not trade them away. As Mr. Fingers noted above, if Clement does not stick at catcher, he can move to 1B or DH (both of which are currently vacant). Plus, as the only team with an open GM job, their list of interviewees is quite impressive, so they are pretty much guaranteed to get a very good GM who should know better than to keep their other catchers over Clement.
Willingham would be a nice pickup, but would not come cheap. The one concern is that he will already be age 30 by opening day, so he might have already played his best seasons.
Abreu would need to DH the majority of the time, and while he profiles as the type of hitter who can remain productive in to his late 30s, I would bet some other team significantly overspends on him. If his price falls (particularly the number of years), he could be a good signing.
I like Duncan, but he is strictly a platoon hitter. He probably would need to move 1B eventually, but he could stick in LF for the short term. He is kind of like Emil Brown in that his defensive miscues tend toward the spectacular, but his overall defense is solid.
by Gopherballs on Oct 10, 2008 12:54 PM EDT 0 recs
Clement may be a man without a postion
Clements defensive problems at C have always had him on the verge of being moved to 1st.
Now would he be worth the prospects as a DH or 1st baseman is the true question…
by laxtonto on Oct 10, 2008 1:21 PM EDT 0 recs
His neutralized career minor league stats are exactly 1 OPS pont higher than Butler's
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 1:29 PM EDT
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I would bet if freed from catching
Clement would have a quick offensive bump — maybe not as much as Mike Sweeney did, but notable.
by Gopherballs on
Oct 10, 2008 2:38 PM EDT
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Yeah, maybe
My pojnt was more that the Mariners should demand more than just Billy Butler for him
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
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my point was to bolster, not disagree with, your point
by Gopherballs on
Oct 10, 2008 2:42 PM EDT
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I disagree
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 2:48 PM EDT
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You disagree with everybody, all the time
jerk
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 3:29 PM EDT
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No I don't!!!!
(bang crash)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 3:32 PM EDT
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Royals will only be able to upgrade one position through FA
so if it is Abreu, He will be expensive probably more than Guillen. Love the OBP and willingness to take the walk. Hope that patience would rub off on some of the others.
Willingham is a guy I have been interested in seeing what it would take – perhaps a package with Scott Olson. Florida would be looking for cheap ML players or prospects. They like young arms which KC has. If they move arbitration eligible players, Marlins will have holes at 2B, OF and pitching.
Clement would cost KC at least one of our top 5 minor league guys so that is a bit of wash. Don’t think Seattle will trade him.
Bonser hasn’t ever done anything for me. Just don’t see it. Duncan is the minor league type that KC needs to consider plugging into a platoon or bench role.
by daveyork on Oct 10, 2008 1:45 PM EDT 0 recs
This Twins blogger
Feels the Twins should deal Kubel for Robinson Tejada, RamRam or Leo Nunez.
http://twinsguy1.blogspot.com/2008/10/trade-jason-kubel_06.html
I doubt the Twins are this stupid, but if they want Tejada or Kubel, I’d be all over that like white on rice.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 3:39 PM EDT 0 recs
Tejeda for Kubel would be a dream trade
Kubel is basically just a platoon player, but he’s the better part of a platoon. I kind of like Tejeda, but I’d happily give him up for Kubel.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
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The Twins are pretty stupid
Would the Royals be willing to part with Tejada AND Gathright?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 3:54 PM EDT
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The NEW Twins are pretty stupid
The old GM regime did a great job of acquiring and developing young talent. The new group isn’t so great. Tejeda+Gathright for Kubel sounds delicious. Would you trade Nunez for Kubel straight up? And by “you,” I mean d_f, Retro, anybody.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Oct 10, 2008 4:01 PM EDT
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Probably
Considering how good DM has been at finding relievers, considering Nunez’s small frame and proclivity towards injury, and considering how badly we need an OF bat that can club 20 homers and slug .450, yea, I’d do that trade. And I’m a Nunez fan.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on
Oct 10, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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Oh hell yes
I’d even do Ramram for Kubel straight up, again, because the Royals have other relievers. They don’t have corner outfielders. Despite his platoon issues, Kubel would be at least the 3rd best hitter on the 2009 Royals (not adjusted for position_, behind Gordon and DDJ, and maybe better than DDJ because of his power.
Heck, maybe getting away from the Twins hitting coach and non Mauer/Morneau players might make a bit of difference. I’m not sure, but I’m pretty sure that guys on the team get fined for every pitch they take.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Oct 10, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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