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Following Ryan's recent scandal at corporate, Holly must hold a business ethics seminar.

  • So is the guy from Mad Men gone forever now? I was really hoping the "Pam at Art School" storyline was going to develop into something interesting. As of the first episode however, all we got was two minutes of Mr. Perfect feeling annoyed, which lead to him proposing (OMG !!! they were soooo adorable!!!!). So... is she coming back to Dunder Mifflin? Will she pursue some kind of art/graphic design career? Does she still think she's good? Perhaps its just my own similarities to Pam coming out, but I feel like Pam's aspirations and frustrations are the secret core of the show, especially since Jim is now "here to stay" at DM.
  • Will we find out what was up with Meredith's face in the first third of last episode? Seriously, what the hell was that? I really didn't like the format of the first episode, but there is a possibility that they were spoofing/playing with the silliness of dockumentaries. Was Meredith's unexplained state just a mini-joke on the inability of a film-crew to actually explain things?
  • So Dwight and Angela are having sex in the warehouse (how big is this office complex?)... and... yea. So is that going anywhere?
  • Holly's name is apparently "Hollis".

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The Mad Men guy

Is appearing in four episodes from what I heard, so I imagine we’ll see a bit more of him.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 9, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very interesting

so he comes to scranton at some point…

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Oct 9, 2008 2:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sounds good to me

hopefully something interesting will come of this

by royalsreview on Oct 9, 2008 3:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This?

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 9, 2008 3:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

she was in some black shirt or somesuch

is that the Big O in the background?

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Oct 9, 2008 3:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Indeed

From “Blades of Glory”

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 9, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jim as "Mr. Perfect?"

When you are the first couple chapters of Great Expectations, did you get frustrated because it looked like everything was going to turn out all right for Pip?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"When you are" = "When you read"

Also, I’m pretty sure that Pam’s going to be back from Art School already. That storylines is done.

Maybe we need a “small sample size” post on TV watching.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I saw the purse girl episode again on TBS two days ago

revived all my anti-Jim sentiment

a toby/ryan alliance against Jim would have been wonderful… too bad lieberstein had to bail

by royalsreview on Oct 9, 2008 5:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was going to wish you good luck on your marriage

but now I’m worried that if it goes well, you might become mired in self-loathing.

Should follow the “purse girl” ep. by succesively watching “Office Olympics” and the boat cruise eps.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 5:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what was depressing about office olympics?

Jim organized something that everyone in the office loved.

Part of my problem with Jim goes back to a central problem: a lack of “everyman” male characters. Tim from the BBC version was basically an average Joe with a somewhat sharp sense of humor. Dawn thought he was funny, no one else in the office seemed to notice. That was it. (Well, there were like two episodes when he was with that other girl. Still no comparison to Jim’s haul of Karen & Purse Girl.) With Jim, it’s a much more total dynamic of adoration from everyone. Beyond Jim, the primary male characters are hilarious but basically insane, unrealistic characters: Michael, Dwight, Andy.

Some combo of Oscar/Kevin/Darryl is needed more. Maybe we’ll see some more Oscar this season.

by royalsreview on Oct 9, 2008 5:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno. Maybe I see the series differently than you do. I’m referring to Jim’s interactions with Katie (Katy?) and why it turned out the way it did.

You are right that Jim is admired, but not quite as universally as you think. The cracks in his armor are definitely there, and are clearly going to come out. Cf. my reference to Pip. You can’t expect it to come all the time. I’d definitely say we’ll see him jealous, possessive, and frustrated. Stuff we didn’t see from Tim.

But, if they make him less likable, will you like him more? It’s a weird dynamic — I can’t tell whether you dislike Jim, or just the fact that they’ve made him too likable. Hey, I’m not telling you how to feel.

Part of the problem is that the viewers have a hard time distinguishing between Jim as the “observers viewpoint” and Jim as a cog in the show. The British version was more clear about that. In general, then, the American show has trouble with blurring the line between the “everyman” characters and the “crazy” ones, although part of the show’s brilliance is showing that each group is more alike than at first glance (most obvious with Jim/Michael, of course, but also see Ryan’s transformation, Ryan/Toby, perhaps Pam/Kelly, and so on)

Part of the problem, of course, is that the show has no definite endpoint as did the British version. Part of the advantage of the British show is that any more Ricky Gervais would have killed it (he’s great in small doses. Funny as hell, but not as talented or versatile a performer as Carrell.)

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 5:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I do think they've made Jim too good, too nice, too sweet

I too liked his homologous character on the original BBC version. Not quite so well liked by everyone. Not nearly so successful. On the NBC version, he makes more big sales and gets more compliments from corporate. They’ve made him into something of a Golden Boy. While the rest of the cast and show has an edge, they have left Jim and Pam and their magical romance essentially edge-free. I think the writers/producers of the show are trying to maintain as large of a fanbase as possible by making it unconventional enough for one demographic to like it, while sweet and heartwarming enough for another demographic to like it too.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Oct 9, 2008 6:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

overeaction based on small sample size!!!1111

Pam/Jim are clearly headed for something not good. And the Jim/Roy parallel is so obvious… although not obvious enough, since they practically put the words in Jim’s mouth in the first episode of the season.

I agree that it’s going to be extremely difficult to make the relationship not annoying as hell, even if they do break up, or whatever, since that’s the letimotif of every freaking unrequited love story on TV. I still think they could have pulled a real switcheroo by having them just get together without a hitch, then moving the relationship off center stage to focus on other people and stuff in the office. God forbid male-female relationships not be the only topic addressed on sitcoms.

I do think that the main problem is that the show is still on. Aesthetically, they would have been best off ending the show after the third season, or even after last season, but the money will flow.

Dammit, this aesthetic crime is going on and people are STILL talking about Pacman Jones?

Oh, the humanity.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 6:07 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pam/Jim are clearly headed for something not good.

I don’t know about that. I’m sure there will be speed bumps. There might even be a “the engagement is off!” moment which lasts for a couple of episodes. But I think they are dead set on keeping America’s sweethearts together for the long run. I think they want to maintain an appeal to hipsters who like alternative comedy, and also middle American housewives who just want to see these two great kids make it work. In addition to the other more interesting and funny story lines, one of the themes of this season will be “love conquers all.” I just threw up in my mouth a little.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Oct 9, 2008 6:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope this doesn't end with us

making a bet on what will happened, followed by exhile.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how is the parallel to roy obvious?

roy was setup as a buffon

the fact that pam was with him was only slightly more believable than michael never getting fired

there is a reason the BBC series ended after two seasons: this is fantasy land

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Oct 9, 2008 6:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He brings it up, gets engaged too soon with no definite date set

she has a separate life with a “new Jim” in New York that she enjoys more, while he’s working in a separate location

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 6:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Roy and Pam together was quite believable, IMO.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Oct 10, 2008 12:02 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

You see it all around you
Good lovin’ gone bad
And usually it’s too late when you
Realize what you had

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 12:17 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hence the drama

C’mon, RR, you know better than that.

Artsy girl in high school, “late bloomer,” low self-esteem, big, um, dreams, dumb jock…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 1:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is roy attractive to women?

thats really all i see as a possibility and basically i’m just going off of the BBC precedent

by royalsreview on Oct 10, 2008 2:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As covered before

in the UK he’d be an Adonis…

He probably looked different going out.

Sorry for the cliche — people aren’t attracted to the right people, it’s just true.

Pam’s personality fits the “stupid girl who needs someone” profile perfectly.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Typical high school romance

They had nothing in common other than they both had fun hanging out in high school and they stayed together simply because it was easier than breaking up. I’ve known lots of couples like this.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did pam never go to college?

did anyone in the office other than the accountants? and andy?

by royalsreview on Oct 10, 2008 2:09 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, she didn't

Jim did… communications major, or something..

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 2:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

communications

Totally something Jim would major in.

by DarthYoshi on Oct 10, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one of the worst new"humanities" majors out there

makes dumb people think they are smart, dumbs down smart people

like theologians, there are good “communications” people out there, but they’re swimming in a river of shit

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think it depends on the school

some Comm departments are basically english, but with people also talking more about TV/Film, etc.

at some places it seems like more a combination of public speaking/rhetoric/film studies or whatever

strange field

by royalsreview on Oct 10, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that makes it either redundant or cretinous

There are the “rhetoric” people, who are better off in English/Com Lit departments.

Then there are people like the brother of a friend of mine, who writes on the development of telecommunications in India…

Communications is like Cultural Studies — um, if you study “Culture,” what is everyone in the humanities doing?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Meredith's face

My wife and I talked about that. In the early summer segments of the show, her face looked pretty badly burned, but they said nothing about it in the episode. When I saw that, I assumed that something had happened to the actress but there were just going to move on in the show as if nothing happened. But then in the later summer segments, her face was unburned and unmarked. My guess is that in the original script for the episode there was a small segment where Meredith relates some bad beach experience where she got a mega-sunburn. But in the end, it didn’t fit the time constraints of the show, so it got cut. So you’ve got some scenes early on where she has a bad burn but no explanation.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Oct 9, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To the extras!

For some reason, NBC won’t let us see its on-lie deleted scenes in Canadia

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 5:20 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

because you live in canada

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Oct 9, 2008 6:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought she went on a boat trip and got burned

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Oct 10, 2008 10:01 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We've gotten used to the longer 40-60 minute episodes

Seriously, is Jenna Fischer working on something else?

nice to have Jim/Pam in the background

Did you say earlier that Liebersohn is off the show?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 9, 2008 10:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lieberstein made a cameo at the end of the season opener

but that is it so far. I think he is staying on as a writer, though.

by DarthYoshi on Oct 10, 2008 2:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's coming back

From what I’ve read. Apparently, he’s been trying to kill Toby off the show for awhile because he didn’t really want to appear on camera, but writers and fans liked his character and keep putting him on.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's too bad

Toby has been one of my favorite secondary characters for a long time.

This is probably why I haven’t warmed up to Holly yet.

by DarthYoshi on Oct 10, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wow...

I think the Ryan character is god, but Lieberstein (or whatever his name is) is a superior actor to Ryan, who somehow has been on the opening credits forever…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so the answer to the third bullet point above....

19 minutes and 54 seconds. Of “personal” time. According to Jim. lol.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 9, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That running gag

Was hilarious. Especially the conversation about Battlestar Galactica. I haven’t laughed so hard at the show in a long time.

“Dumbledorf Calrissian.”

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 9:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...who had to return the ring to...someone...Mordor...

Something about wookies, too.

As an aside, I’m really glad there is some Michael-Holly tension of the non-sexual variety now. Those two were really creepy together for the first couple episodes she was on the show.

by DarthYoshi on Oct 10, 2008 1:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It was brilliant

after the restaurant, it looked like it would end up being another Toby situation…

Michael (probably spurred by his nads), though, may have shown some growth there (line).

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 1:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, they did split the bill

I was kinda surprised they didn’t turn that into more of a punchline.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Holly will turn out different from Toby

She seems much less laid back than Toby and more concerned with following the letter of all the rules…while Toby would occasionally intervene with some of Michael’s more outrageous stunts, he stepped back a lot of times and let Michael hang himself.

Michael: What’s worse than an HR rep?
Ryan: Two HR reps?
Michael: You totally get me.

by DarthYoshi on Oct 10, 2008 2:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ryan's presence seems pointless

one of the few things about the current season i’m not digging

by royalsreview on Oct 10, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was really hoping that his arrest in season 4

marked the end of Ryan on the show. But he hasn’t pissed me off yet this season, so I’m willing to wait to see what the writers have in store by bringing him back.

by DarthYoshi on Oct 10, 2008 2:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

having him get arrested was over the top

I see him as useless, although Kevin and Jim’s fist-bump over “hired guy” is pretty funny and shows Jim’s gradual sinking into the sludge

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

And completely far-fetched too. I would have rather he came back in cameos by having Kelly take him back and he, being a low point, was desperate to be with her.

But would a company hire back a guy who was arrested for fraud in their company? Uhhh, no.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 2:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm beginning to think this show isn't very realististic!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 2:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

having dude get arrested should have been the end of the character

if they knew he would be brought back, then… well… they should have figured something better out

by royalsreview on Oct 10, 2008 3:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

remember when they hired the convict ? That was funny.

Now we have another!

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by 306008 on Oct 11, 2008 9:02 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

MORE CREED NOW!

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

overreaction

Creed has looked good in small samples sizes, but he’s more fitting to a bench role. Extended exposure would reveal him as a replacement level scrub.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Oct 10, 2008 12:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe, maybe not. We don't really know

Fact is, we know Ross Gload stinks. We don’t know what Creed could do if given a shot.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 12:41 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Creed = Shealy?????????

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Oct 10, 2008 10:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was going to say Teahan or German.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Oct 11, 2008 9:03 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to admit

I also called INS on Oscar.

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by RoyalsRetro on Oct 10, 2008 12:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And how about the reaction to Pam being engaged?

Kevin: I got Pam and ROY a toaster….
lol

And Michael tackling Jim? Classic Michael.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

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