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Top Five Royals Hitters After Falling Behind 0-2

  1. Jose Guillen- .262/.279/.429, .708 OPS
  2. Mike Aviles- .276/.276/.379, .655 OPS
  3. Alex Gordon- .250/.263/.333, .596 OPS
  4. Mitch Maier- .250/.250/.333, .583 OPS
  5. David DeJesus- .211/.250/.263, .513 OPS

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that's good

because it seemed last year like Jose was always behind 0-2. Avlies too, but to a lesser extent. My guess is Jose had a ton of ABs in that “situation.”

"Greinke and the Brain" (R) (C) TM

by SittinByTheFoulPole on Nov 12, 2008 3:00 PM EST   0 recs

Would have been better to include their sOPS+s,

so we get a feel for how they compared to the rest of the league. sOPS+ judges the players stats against the rest of the league for that particular split.

sOPS+s for these guys in 2008, down 0-2

Guillen 251
Aviles 227
Gordon 200
MITCH 192
DDJ 161

So: overall, as expected, the whole league sucks at 0-2. But these guys, relatively speaking, kicked ass realtive to the rest of the league, with Guillen, Aviles, and Gordon being twice as good or better than everyone else at 0-2, and MITCH coming close.

I think you used “0-2 count,” though, rather than “After 0-2.” Not sure what the exact difference is

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 12, 2008 3:02 PM EST   0 recs

Contextually,

I read that as only the results that were made on an 0-2 count are included. After 0-2 could include 1-2, 2-2, and 3-2 as well.

What does everyone else think?

Waiting for a 90+ win season

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on Nov 13, 2008 10:54 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

B-R has

separate lines for “0-2” and “after 0-2”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 1:15 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

CLUTCH!!!!

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Nov 12, 2008 4:32 PM EST   0 recs

our clutchiness is amazing

and we got rid of our batting coach?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Nov 12, 2008 5:25 PM EST   0 recs

Avilanche

.276/.276 way to work that count back in your favor and draw the walk. Mitch too, I suppose. No disrespect, but even Jogui worked the ol’ 0-2 for a walk a handful of times

by dn_311 on Nov 12, 2008 5:39 PM EST   0 recs

Are you sure

he wasn’t just HBP?

by BrRoyal on Nov 12, 2008 5:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

He was HBP 9 times

that has to be it

by dn_311 on Nov 12, 2008 6:01 PM EST   0 recs

Note to everyone

sOPS+ measured the split against the rest of league in the same percetage. Thus, a 100 sOPS+ at 0-2 means that the player in question has a league-average OPS in that situation.

Now look back at my earlier post and do the math.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 12, 2008 6:25 PM EST   0 recs

Where is Jason Smith?

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Nov 12, 2008 7:13 PM EST   0 recs

When you're hacktastic

one of those swings is bound to hit!

Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!

by mazoboom on Nov 13, 2008 1:10 AM EST   0 recs

What makes this statistic depressing is...

…that all five of them should also then be able to take the Ball 4 when needed. But only Gordon consistently did that—-and still not at a rate that reflects his ability. If you have a lot of great 2-strike hitters, then you should also have a lot of folks hovering in the .380-.400 range for OBP. So was this our eminently forgettable 2008 hitting coach’s fault? Perhaps. Our boys need to be coaxed into a few more very-attainable walks.

Assumption: High OBP = High Scoring Offense. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Nov 13, 2008 11:12 AM EST   0 recs

Other "chokers" on 0-2

as per RR’s use above, I’ll use “0-2” from b-r rather than “0-2” from b-r

A-Rod .135/.154/.270/.424 (108 sOPS+ — above league average, but still way worse than anyone on the Royals list)

Derek Jeter .125/.125/.125/.250 (28 sOPS+ — OMG Jeter is so overrated NY fans are so stoopid~!)

Joe Mauer .250/.238/.375/.613 (203 sOPS+ only slightly better than Alex)

Nick Punto .225/.225/.250/.475 (141 sOPS+ not as good as any of the ROyals, but OMG Little Nicky must be better than Jeter AND A-Rod. 6/150 NOW)

My favorite:

Mike Jacobs .089/.089/.111/.200, keep in mind the splits or by league, so Jacobs sOPS+ is going to be split against the NL rather than the AL for everyone else, but his sOPS+ on 0-2 this past season was …. 1. That’s right, ONE.

The lesson: pretty much all players suck on 0-2. Jose Guillen was actually pretty damn good. Most importantly, this doesn’t mean much.

Hell, Albert Pujols, far and away not only the best hitter, but the best player in baseball this year, this season on 0-2 hit .208 .240 .375 .615. for 204 sOPS+. Wow, Guillen is better than Pujols, I guess. Great signing, DMGM. I apologize.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 1:25 PM EST   0 recs

Yeah, but it's a small sample sizes

from what he says in interviews, I don’t think he wait around for that secondn strike too often.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 7:50 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

He Will If

He can’t make contact.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 14, 2008 1:24 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

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