DM on 38 the spot
by doublestix on Nov 12, 2008 10:37 PM EST
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DM said that if we had signed Torii Hunter last year our 2009 payroll would have been close to $85 million.
DM said that he has the ability to raise the payroll 20%-25% from last year, and insinuated that if the right players was there, it could possibly go even a little higher.
After talking about the problems that Jose caused in the clubhouse, he said that he has a lot of patience for people, but when they cross the line one too many times, he's done with them. And Jose isn't at that point.
He talked a lot about acquiring (not necessarily signing) a difference-making shortstop that could hit at the top or in the middle of the lineup, and also provide strong defense. It sounded like offense was the main thing for a possible shortstop. Then, instead of asking about Furcal (top of the order) or JJ Hardy (middle of the order), Jack Harry goes into possibly acquiring Yuniesky Betancourt. DM was polite and complimentary about Betancourt, but he didn't sound like a move was going to happen there.
He mentioned that other clubs will take notice that the Royals have a surplus of 1B/DH, but he's not actively shopping Shealy or Butler. He thinks a Shealy/Butler/Jacobs platoon at 1B/DH could work well. He mentioned specifically that Jacobs was very good against RHP, and Butler struggles against RHP.
Olivo will get the majority of at-bats at least through the first couple months.
Teahen will be with the team - he is very versatile (can play LF, RF, 1B, and obviously 3B). Seitzer thinks that he can improve Teahen.
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Teahen is the type of guy that might benefit from Seitzer...
Break ’em down and build ’em up.
If he could turn Teahen back to something close to where he was in ‘06…say something like .280/.350/.480…he can call it a year. Not optimistic, but it’s plausible.
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All Seitzer has to say is
PULL THE DAMN BALL MARK!!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 13, 2008 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
Or Tell Brett
To tell Teahen.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
well, yea
my point was though, that if Seitzer turns Teahen into a decent hitter and does NOTHING else, then he did his job in my opinion. i think that Teahen, so long he’ll listen, is the kind of guy that could use Seitzer to turn his career around.
the next Ibanez, anyone?
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Much Better Fielder
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by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2008 1:23 AM EST up reply actions
Is there a Zips projection already?
I thought Symborski was very… deliberately… going team by team
Actually, if Teahen can get to .280/.350/.430, while that may not satisfy the desires of fans, coupled with above average defense that would actually make him an above-average corner outfielder.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 12, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
No Royals ZIPS as of yet
Fangraphs has the always overly optimistic Bill James projections, which I think tend to do more harm than good.
by Gopherballs on Nov 13, 2008 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, but I'm going to do a post with them anyway
they do love their power hitters
When do the CHONE projections come out? Didn’t Sean win the annual shootout last year, even beating PECOTA?
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 13, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure when CHONE comes out
CHONE edged PECOTA in 2008, but ZIPS won overall in 2007. Year-to-year, those three tend to be the best (and the differences are usually pretty small).
Recognizing that this something you already know, I would add Marcels work almost as well if they have close to three full years of major league data for the player. They also work well for discussions with those who distrust the “black box” element to CHONE, PECOTA, and ZIPS, as Marcels are just a straight regression calculation based on the player’s last three seasons plus an age adjustment. I get the sense that most of us naturally do something close to the Marcel regression analysis in our heads when “eyeballing” a player’s stats.
Yeah, have you seen Colin Wyers preliminary Marcels?
Pretty good. Tango’s “official” non-official marcels aren’t out yet. I can’t find the link for Colin’s yet… SG from Replacement Level Yankees Weblog has his own Marcels variant called CAIRO (OK, we get it… everyone wants to name stuf after their favorite infielder).
Anyway, Marcels, in my amateur opinion, aren’t as great for young players (especially those with less than three seasons in the majors) for obvious reasons. They are thus especially depressing when looking at the Royals.
Colin did say that he was considering doing a outline of a basic spreadsheet so that people could start constructing their own Marcels, which would be super-cool. I love this homebrew stuff.
Anyway, I just finished putting in the James projections for the Royals hitters into my spreadsheet and generating their wOBAs (including stolen bases), and rough bRAAs for them. I remember getting my first James Handbook a few years back and getting really excited… then I realized how optimistic they were. For example, he has Kila hitting .260/.372/.484/.386 with 18 homers in 364 PA… yeah… I’m not sure about that.
But I’ll probabloy post my take on his stuff later anyway.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 13, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
I hope DMGM isn't seriously thinking
about making Butler a 22-year old platoon DH
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
so lets see, we have 4 bench players
Butler, Teahen, Buck, Gload, 2nd center fielder, middle infielder.
ummm
that would be six, someone isn’t going to be on the team.
Go Royals!
If Teahen stays
and Shealy, Jacobs, and Butler form to combine a some sort of 1B / DH platoon known as SHEACOBLER, I can’t see how Gload fits on the team at all.
could you see how he fit onto the team last year?
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by billybeingbilly on Nov 14, 2008 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
Gload Made Sense
As a LH bat on the bench capable of playing a good 1B and acceptable at the COF spots while hitting a fairly empty .300/.330/.400. He no longer fits that description. Trade him for anything; maybe we can get another castoff pitcher who’ll make a good bullpen piece. I’d take HoRam back for him.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 14, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
I expect that
Gload will be dumped cheaply in a trade toward the end of spring training when the rosters need to be trimmed once and for all.
And why do we need a 2nd CF in addition to Teahen? Assuming your starting outfield is DeJesus-Gathright-Guillen, Teahen is a corner OF backup and either DeJesus or Gathright can take the center spot if the other needs to be backed up.
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No Way I
Play Gathright ahead of Teahen unless we’re playing in a parking lot. If Gathright enters the game, Teahen can be moved wherever.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2008 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
I’m only responding to BabyBlues’ post above that refers to Teahen as a member of the projected bench.
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My Bench Would
Be; Shealy/Jacobs, German, Buck (Pena?)/Olivo, Teahen/Rivera. This bench is more versatile than it appears at first glance, with Teahen and German both capable of playing multiple IF/OF positions and presumed starting 2B Callaspo able to play SS and 3B/OF in a pinch. Of course, we’d need to acquire Rivera. I’m fine with German as a relief 2B/3B/LF and emergency SS.
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I Did Not
Know that.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
yeah they threw him out there everywhere on the field last season in omaha.
Now he wasn’t terrific… but he CAN play the positions.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
Teahen's focus for 2009
Should be to get on base. This has been arguably his strongest asset throughout his MiLB and MLB career (other than perhaps his baserunning). If he can get on base at a .350 clip, which judging by his past, he should, then I’ll be thrilled.
However, I'm going to take Greg Schaum's viewpoint
That if Mark Teahen is our starting COF’er in 2009, yet again, then we will not have done a sufficient job bringing in a solution for this spot. Teahen is most definitely not a solution.
by Royals Nation on Nov 13, 2008 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
But he's less of a _problem_ than Jose Guillen
becaues Teahen has a chance of being average, or even above average. Jose Guillen has been average or better since 2005. Who do you think is more likely to improve at this point.
And that doesn’t consider salary. I realize that DMGM’s idiotic decision to sign Guillen for 150-200% of his market value means the Royals are likely stuck with him, but leaving that aside (and I wish the Royals could), on a strictly talent/age level, Guillen needs to be replaced much more urgently than Mark Teahen.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 13, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Whenever i start to lose faith in DMGM,
he speaks on the radio and it all comes back.. I believe the man (or i want to) and when i hear him say things such as raising the payroll 20-25 then i’m happy, and think he is trying.. maybe he did just bring in Jacobs to platoon? who knows really.. but i think buck is a gonner.. we need some brayan! (pena)
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
And that is how DMGM got the job
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 13, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
DM
Should work for Sterling Cooper
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 13, 2008 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
It's not called the wheel
it’s called the carousel.
by Gopherballs on Nov 13, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
i seriously hope butler isn't relegated to a platoon so early in his career
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Don't worry, only a complete idiot would so something like that
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 13, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I think it might be worse then that.
I think Shealy will have the starting job at 1B, Jacobs will start as the DH, and Billy will fill in for Jacobs when he plays first and Guillen is not taking some time off playing outfield to play DH, or in other words, he might as well be in AAA to get work, only Kila will take his time there, so he might have to go to AA to get work at first base.
Go Royals!
Go Naturals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111101
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by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
How dare you, sir
How dare you.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 15, 2008 2:52 AM EST up reply actions
I gave that at hate rec
Just for the outstanding hearts
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 15, 2008 11:29 AM EST up reply actions
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