DM on 38 the spot
From poster sleekroyal at Royals Corner
DM said that if we had signed Torii Hunter last year our 2009 payroll would have been close to $85 million.
DM said that he has the ability to raise the payroll 20%-25% from last year, and insinuated that if the right players was there, it could possibly go even a little higher.
After talking about the problems that Jose caused in the clubhouse, he said that he has a lot of patience for people, but when they cross the line one too many times, he's done with them. And Jose isn't at that point.
He talked a lot about acquiring (not necessarily signing) a difference-making shortstop that could hit at the top or in the middle of the lineup, and also provide strong defense. It sounded like offense was the main thing for a possible shortstop. Then, instead of asking about Furcal (top of the order) or JJ Hardy (middle of the order), Jack Harry goes into possibly acquiring Yuniesky Betancourt. DM was polite and complimentary about Betancourt, but he didn't sound like a move was going to happen there.
He mentioned that other clubs will take notice that the Royals have a surplus of 1B/DH, but he's not actively shopping Shealy or Butler. He thinks a Shealy/Butler/Jacobs platoon at 1B/DH could work well. He mentioned specifically that Jacobs was very good against RHP, and Butler struggles against RHP.
Olivo will get the majority of at-bats at least through the first couple months.
Teahen will be with the team - he is very versatile (can play LF, RF, 1B, and obviously 3B). Seitzer thinks that he can improve Teahen.
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Teahen is the type of guy that might benefit from Seitzer...
Break ’em down and build ’em up.
If he could turn Teahen back to something close to where he was in ‘06…say something like .280/.350/.480…he can call it a year. Not optimistic, but it’s plausible.
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by doublestix on Nov 12, 2008 10:42 PM EST 0 recs
All Seitzer has to say is
PULL THE DAMN BALL MARK!!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on
Nov 13, 2008 11:08 AM EST
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Or Tell Brett
To tell Teahen.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Nov 13, 2008 12:26 PM EST
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.280/.350/.480
I’d consider that to be pretty optimistic for tbag
by dn_311 on Nov 12, 2008 10:52 PM EST 0 recs
well, yea
my point was though, that if Seitzer turns Teahen into a decent hitter and does NOTHING else, then he did his job in my opinion. i think that Teahen, so long he’ll listen, is the kind of guy that could use Seitzer to turn his career around.
the next Ibanez, anyone?
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by doublestix on
Nov 13, 2008 12:35 AM EST
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Much Better Fielder
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by philofthenorth on
Nov 13, 2008 1:23 AM EST
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I was asking for that wasn't I.
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by doublestix on
Nov 13, 2008 1:47 AM EST
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anyone seen his ZiPS projection?
I guess I could look it up, but…… bagh
by dn_311 on Nov 12, 2008 10:53 PM EST 0 recs
Is there a Zips projection already?
I thought Symborski was very… deliberately… going team by team
Actually, if Teahen can get to .280/.350/.430, while that may not satisfy the desires of fans, coupled with above average defense that would actually make him an above-average corner outfielder.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 12, 2008 10:58 PM EST
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No Royals ZIPS as of yet
Fangraphs has the always overly optimistic Bill James projections, which I think tend to do more harm than good.
by Gopherballs on
Nov 13, 2008 12:51 PM EST
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yeah, but I'm going to do a post with them anyway
they do love their power hitters
When do the CHONE projections come out? Didn’t Sean win the annual shootout last year, even beating PECOTA?
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 13, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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Not sure when CHONE comes out
CHONE edged PECOTA in 2008, but ZIPS won overall in 2007. Year-to-year, those three tend to be the best (and the differences are usually pretty small).
Recognizing that this something you already know, I would add Marcels work almost as well if they have close to three full years of major league data for the player. They also work well for discussions with those who distrust the “black box” element to CHONE, PECOTA, and ZIPS, as Marcels are just a straight regression calculation based on the player’s last three seasons plus an age adjustment. I get the sense that most of us naturally do something close to the Marcel regression analysis in our heads when “eyeballing” a player’s stats.
by Gopherballs on
Nov 13, 2008 2:30 PM EST
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Yeah, have you seen Colin Wyers preliminary Marcels?
Pretty good. Tango’s “official” non-official marcels aren’t out yet. I can’t find the link for Colin’s yet… SG from Replacement Level Yankees Weblog has his own Marcels variant called CAIRO (OK, we get it… everyone wants to name stuf after their favorite infielder).
Anyway, Marcels, in my amateur opinion, aren’t as great for young players (especially those with less than three seasons in the majors) for obvious reasons. They are thus especially depressing when looking at the Royals.
Colin did say that he was considering doing a outline of a basic spreadsheet so that people could start constructing their own Marcels, which would be super-cool. I love this homebrew stuff.
Anyway, I just finished putting in the James projections for the Royals hitters into my spreadsheet and generating their wOBAs (including stolen bases), and rough bRAAs for them. I remember getting my first James Handbook a few years back and getting really excited… then I realized how optimistic they were. For example, he has Kila hitting .260/.372/.484/.386 with 18 homers in 364 PA… yeah… I’m not sure about that.
But I’ll probabloy post my take on his stuff later anyway.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 13, 2008 3:12 PM EST
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I hope DMGM isn't seriously thinking
about making Butler a 22-year old platoon DH
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by devil_fingers on Nov 12, 2008 10:58 PM EST 0 recs
I hope
DMGM isn’t seriously thinking about trading said 22-year old platoon DH
by dn_311 on Nov 12, 2008 11:00 PM EST 0 recs
so lets see, we have 4 bench players
Butler, Teahen, Buck, Gload, 2nd center fielder, middle infielder.
ummm
that would be six, someone isn’t going to be on the team.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on Nov 13, 2008 12:25 AM EST 0 recs
let's see how the rest of the offseason plays out
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by doublestix on
Nov 13, 2008 12:33 AM EST
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If Teahen stays
and Shealy, Jacobs, and Butler form to combine a some sort of 1B / DH platoon known as SHEACOBLER, I can’t see how Gload fits on the team at all.
by Top Ramen on
Nov 13, 2008 10:42 AM EST
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SHEACOBLER
is best served ala mode.
Please keep is out of the reach of Bam-Bam.
by BrRoyal on
Nov 13, 2008 10:47 AM EST
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could you see how he fit onto the team last year?
treyton makes the impossible possible
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by billybeingbilly on
Nov 14, 2008 2:52 AM EST
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Gload Made Sense
As a LH bat on the bench capable of playing a good 1B and acceptable at the COF spots while hitting a fairly empty .300/.330/.400. He no longer fits that description. Trade him for anything; maybe we can get another castoff pitcher who’ll make a good bullpen piece. I’d take HoRam back for him.
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by philofthenorth on
Nov 14, 2008 11:50 AM EST
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I expect that
Gload will be dumped cheaply in a trade toward the end of spring training when the rosters need to be trimmed once and for all.
And why do we need a 2nd CF in addition to Teahen? Assuming your starting outfield is DeJesus-Gathright-Guillen, Teahen is a corner OF backup and either DeJesus or Gathright can take the center spot if the other needs to be backed up.
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by cmkeller on
Nov 13, 2008 11:42 AM EST
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No Way I
Play Gathright ahead of Teahen unless we’re playing in a parking lot. If Gathright enters the game, Teahen can be moved wherever.
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by philofthenorth on
Nov 13, 2008 12:24 PM EST
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I agree
I’m only responding to BabyBlues’ post above that refers to Teahen as a member of the projected bench.
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by cmkeller on
Nov 13, 2008 12:31 PM EST
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I have been hearing
conflicting reports about the amount of money the Royals might be able or are willing to spend. I have seen several articles in the KC Star that suggest that from what Moore has been saying we will not see any significant free agent signings. Hopefully he is playing possum and really does have a little cash to throw around to improve our Short Stop situation and move Aviles to second. I really believe that if dayton could find us a true lead off man who plays short and another power hitting outfielder and a a solid innings eating veteran pitcher for the middle of the rotation the royals could win the division next year. With the young talent that is on the team already, and the possibility of them finally getting it going into there third and fourth full seasons we could be very dangerous. Of course that would mean all the stars would have to align and would also assume that we actually do have money to throw around to raise our payroll to around 80 or 85 million dollars.
by ChiefsWolf24 on Nov 13, 2008 1:47 AM EST 0 recs
not to be rude...
but true leadoff who plays short…furcal…13 million or so…
power hitting outfielder…dunn…burrell….13-15 million or so…
solid middle of the rotation….oliver perez….12 million or so….
that puts us damn near $100 million for a payroll…not a chance of that happening. ill be shocked if we do one of these things…and not really disappointed if we dont…the only things that could really disappoint me are if dunn signs somewhere else for something stupid like 4/40 or if billy gets traded
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by billybeingbilly on
Nov 13, 2008 3:22 AM EST
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All those deals are quite possible, maybe even likely. But they are all overpayments, at least for the position players. The Furcal amount is the closest, assuming his injury won’t effect him too much going forward.
Yeah, 4/40 is less than Dunn will get — but even that is probably to much, unless you think he’s not going to decline at all and/or will suddenly be a bad defender, instead of a god-awful one.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 13, 2008 10:21 AM EST
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$10 million/yr is overpaying for this?....
http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/dunnad01.shtml
i cant see any way that 4/40 for adam dunn isnt a steal….we’d be paying for his 29-32 seasons, not 33-36
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by billybeingbilly on
Nov 14, 2008 2:55 AM EST
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I guess we differ for two reasons
1) I think defense matters. He’s a minus 10 runs defender in his best years. Which are behind him. He’s more like a minus 15 or minus 20 runs now. And that’s in left field. IN other word’s, he of more value DHing. That matters.
2) NYRoyal will tell you that a player with “old player” skills like Adam Dunn declines earlier than other players. That’s probably true — I don’t know enough. But either way, almost all players start declining at 28-29, so that has to be figured in as well.
I love Adam Dunn’s bat. You’d need a blowtorch to fix his glove.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 14, 2008 10:54 AM EST
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most players dont decline at 28-29...thats when players are hitting their peak....
looking at his most similar players on BR…you’ve got straw who isnt a good guy to look at b/c he did lots of coke, canseco continued to be good, but he got help. Killebrew is #3 and he was awesome until 36 when he fell of a cliff. Rocky Colavito declined after his age 32 season. Reggie Jackson was awesome through his age 36 season. All of those guys had the old player skills and continued to produce through at least their age 32 seasos which is what you’d get from dunn on a 4 yr deal.
now, I wouldnt put him in the OF on a regular basis, but throw him at 1b/dh and let him mash…i’d do it at 4/48 and be very happy about it. I mean, look at what he’ll give you for 12/yr and look at what jose had coming into this season…this is why i wonder about our GM.
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by billybeingbilly on
Nov 14, 2008 12:09 PM EST
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I totally agree about Guillen, of course
but we differ, I think, in that I don’t think one bad deal deserves another. I love Adam Dunn and used to think the Royals should try to go 4/64 for him. But reading about other stuff has changed my mind about a lot of things. Without getting into my life story, I’ll just tell you how I get my value on Dunn, in a way that’s most generous to him, and assumes he’ll still be in his prime next season.
Offense: using a 5-4-3-2 weighting of his last four years and a slight regression to average, I get his offesensive "true talent " as 22.3 runs above average (not replacement level).
Defense and position: I’ll go with -7.5 runs for left field, and assume that he’s going to be pretty good out there with respect to his career, and be -10 runs. That’s -17.5, which is pretty generous to him. It also convenientlly corresponds with someone who can DH well, which we don’t know about Dunn.
So far, 22.3 + -17.5 = 4.8 runs above average with offense, defense, and position incorporated. But we need to add in replacement level. For NL position players, that’s two wins, so 2 * 10.5 = 21. So Dunn on this accounting is 25.8 runs above replacement level, which is actually just under 2.5 wins, but lets call it 2.5 WAR.
If salary inflation has remained consistent, each WAR is worth $4.84M. Now, we’ve been assuming Dunn won’t decline from 2008 to 2009. Fine, so he’s still a 2.5 WAR player. But after that, one needs to incorporate a -.5 WAR adjustment for each year, plus factor in 10% salary inflation. I made a chart for it a while back from reading Tangos’s stuff earlier. Anyway, your typical 2.5 WAR player, on this market value and a constant rate of inflation and expected decline, is worth the following contract: 1/12.1, 2/22.7, 3/31.5, 4/38, 5/41.5.
You don’t have to believe that, of course. I do think I made everythign as generous to Dunn as possible — assuming he’s not already on decline (overall — that includes defense — defense and speed both generally already start declining at 24 at the latest, also ability to make contact), only giving him a -17.5 on def. + pos. when -22.5 would be most appropriate, rounding up to 2.5 WAR.
But that’s just me. I also think that a small market team should almost never pay market value, much less overpay, because their overall salary/wins ration has to be much more efficient than other teams. But that’s a whole different debate.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 14, 2008 12:28 PM EST
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alright...im a pretty smart guy...
but thats too much thinking in there for me to follow….
but it appears that his value is getting absolutely destroyed by the -17.5 on defense…not to make you do a bunch of work, but what is his ‘worth’ if you plan on playing him at 1b or mostly at DH?
i believe ortiz got something like 5/65 or so be a full time DH…albeit with better numbers…however, he was also older, fatter and just looks more prone for a breakdown.
i just cant see any way that if Dunn DHs 100 games, 1b 30 game and lf 30 games, that he’s not worth more than 10/yr
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by billybeingbilly on
Nov 14, 2008 2:04 PM EST
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-17.5
just happens to be his value as a DH. Actually, that’s generous. Usually, you’d give a guy who has never DHed regularly a -22.5. Part-timing would, at best, equalize his value.
He’s better at first than left, but not so much better that it outstrips the positional adjustment. The adjust for first is ~ minus 12.5 runs.
I don’t know much about the Ortiz contract. Some teams can overpay, and there are better and worse times to do it. Keep in mind that the Red Sox have the second biggest income (if I’m not mistaken) in baseball.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 14, 2008 2:09 PM EST
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just for comedy's sake...what've you got on jacobs?
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by billybeingbilly on
Nov 14, 2008 2:13 PM EST
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Real quick
he’s young enough (although I guess only a year younger than Dunn) that these projections’s aren’t great. Probably a bit low.
weighted and regressed 4-year average is 3.64 runs above average offensively, CHONE projects him as a -8 run defender (he was more like -20 last year, but whatever), -12.5 for playing first base. So let’s call it 3.7 offense plus minus 20.5 def. and pos, plus 21 for NL replacement level. That’s 4.2 runs above replacement level, less than half a win above replacement.
If he can successfully DH, then he’s abot .75 above replacement. I think that projection’s a bit unfair, though. If you look at my Bill James Projection post, while I think James gives Jacobs too much credit (and the projections did come out before the trade), Jacobs comes out differently. Other people have pointed out that he did OK at a better age. Let’s take this more optimstic task. Let’s say he can play 1B on par with DH level, or just takes to DHing, so that’s minus 17.5 James’ converted projectino put jacobs at 7.8 runs above average. So Jacobs comes uut at .3 runs above average, +21 for NL replacement level (projections based on his NL stats), so 21.3, or almost exactly 2 WAR if everything breaks just right.
I think the reality is somewher ein the middle, probably around 1.2 WAR.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 14, 2008 2:28 PM EST
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I think you've obviously been the spokesman
for the anti-Jacobs group. You have all of your stats and they do show that Jacobs is easily not a team-saver.
I think it’s more important to look at what the Royals needed. They needed power, guys that can drive in runs and clear the bases. They needed someone who could hit right-handed pitching because we already have 3 really good hitters against left handers. Will Jacobs continue to produce how he did last season? Obviously no one can say, but I don’t see why not. At 28, he is probably in his prime, and now he moves to a park that is slightly more friendly than the one he’s played in.
The 1B/DH logjam is concerning. But it isn’t like we have Albert Pujols over there, we have Ryan Shealy, a guy that in August, many wouldn’t have even considered an option. I won’t even get started on Gload. Billy Butler is still 22 and is a left-handed masher, it is too early to platoon him but won’t some legitimate competition only help him?
I’ll segue into my final point from there….competition is the ultimate tool in sports to see what you have in players. We have a definite competition now with Jacobs, Butler, Shealy, and in Spring Training, Kila. If we have a franchise 1st baseman than they will emerge out of this group…if not then we will have to platoon our way to production at 1B. I like the move and I already can’t wait for next season.
by I need more Esteban on
Nov 14, 2008 2:45 PM EST
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well, OK, maybe
I’ve been the most outspoken, probably, but I’m not sure other “anti-Jacobs” people would want me as their “spokesperson.”
I realize it’s long (that what…), but check the James projection post… James projects a career year for him (in Florida). I suspect that will be the most friendly projection we see for Jacobs. And it shows that, given equal playing time (granted, this is dubiously assuming the James projections are good ones), Butler and Jacobs are equal offensively. Except Jacobs is 28 and will make $3 to $3.5M next year.
I’ve said elsewhere that there is probably be a short-term benefit for bringing Jacobs in in terms of raw offensive production and/or if it gets GMDM to free himself of the Ross Gload Stupidity.
It should also be noted that above I temper my criticism by saying that, despite “my stats” (and I take no particular pride in my crappy projections), Jacobs is probably better than that.
I’m not sure how to quantify the effect of competition. But, to recycle points made many times, for less money and no cost in talent, if they really wanted to bring someone like that in, they could have brought in Russell Branyan or Eric Hinske, who are at least Jacobs’ equals offensively and are superior defensively (you know you’re bad when your defense is compares unfavorably to Russell Branyan).
In other words, as I’ve said elsewhere, while the trade is dumb, it’s not fatal. What’s more worrisome is what it says about DMGM. We’re still waiting for a single one of his position players acquired throgh FA or trade to turn out to be, you know, even average. right now, he’s not even batting .500 for getting guys above replacement level.
Having said that, yeah, as a guy who follows the Royals, I’m gong to cheer for Jacobs. Just like I’ll cheer for Tony Pena, Jr., Jose Guillen, and Ross Gload if the’re still on the Royals. Despite my criticisms, they’re all Royals, and I should root for that. But that doesn’t change the fact that they’re all bad baseball players.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 14, 2008 3:00 PM EST
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The best way for Jacob to be a positive addition to the Royals is
to never left him bat against lefties, that actually would raise his WAR considerably, and also raise up Butler’s value at the same time by rasing Butlers percentage of facing lefties if he platoons with Jacob and gets some first base time with Shealy. That will raise Butlers value as well, while maximaizing our defense vlaue at first.
That being said, I belive that Kila/Shealy at 1B and DH without platoons and saving a roster spot would give us the best value right now.
Butler’s and Jacobs’ numbers really look bad at this point. They only really have value as a platoon at DH, that is pretty bad. If the Royals really wanted to play the odds right, they would trade Jacobs for anything they could get, and have Bulter as the backup in AAA. Even if Kila’s projection slips to being even with Bulter, Kila is still way more value., and entire 25 man roster spot of value. If Kila stays moderately hot, how long will the Royals keep on with Jacobs and Bulter? Hopefully it won’t take an entire season.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on
Nov 14, 2008 10:08 PM EST
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Butler will be only 22 at the beginning of next season
it’s a bit early to be relegating him to platoon DH. Jacobs is 28.
Jacobs WAR/PA might go up if he bats less, but the overall WAR is a counting stat, so with fewer PAs, it goes down. IN any case, a 1.2 WAR indicates a platoon DH.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 14, 2008 10:28 PM EST
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"Butler will be only 22"
You’re starting to sound like Dayton Moore. Does that mean you’re a liar too? Don’t let Dayton Moore bring you down to his level.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 14, 2008 10:37 PM EST
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No, I only lie
when I criticize Dayton Moore, just like everyone else, just like he says.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 14, 2008 10:47 PM EST
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The only real lie
…is not being honest with yourself.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 14, 2008 11:10 PM EST
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+1111111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Nov 15, 2008 1:42 AM EST
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My Bench Would
Be; Shealy/Jacobs, German, Buck (Pena?)/Olivo, Teahen/Rivera. This bench is more versatile than it appears at first glance, with Teahen and German both capable of playing multiple IF/OF positions and presumed starting 2B Callaspo able to play SS and 3B/OF in a pinch. Of course, we’d need to acquire Rivera. I’m fine with German as a relief 2B/3B/LF and emergency SS.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 13, 2008 1:56 AM EST 0 recs
B. Pena can also play 3B/LF/RF in a pinch
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by doublestix on
Nov 13, 2008 2:24 AM EST
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I Did Not
Know that.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Nov 13, 2008 9:34 AM EST
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yeah they threw him out there everywhere on the field last season in omaha.
Now he wasn’t terrific… but he CAN play the positions.
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on
Nov 13, 2008 4:37 PM EST
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yep
They were shot in the outfield after they lost MITCH and Costa.
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by doublestix on
Nov 13, 2008 5:30 PM EST
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Teahen's focus for 2009
Should be to get on base. This has been arguably his strongest asset throughout his MiLB and MLB career (other than perhaps his baserunning). If he can get on base at a .350 clip, which judging by his past, he should, then I’ll be thrilled.
by Royals Nation on Nov 13, 2008 3:01 AM EST 0 recs
However, I'm going to take Greg Schaum's viewpoint
That if Mark Teahen is our starting COF’er in 2009, yet again, then we will not have done a sufficient job bringing in a solution for this spot. Teahen is most definitely not a solution.
by Royals Nation on
Nov 13, 2008 3:02 AM EST
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But he's less of a _problem_ than Jose Guillen
becaues Teahen has a chance of being average, or even above average. Jose Guillen has been average or better since 2005. Who do you think is more likely to improve at this point.
And that doesn’t consider salary. I realize that DMGM’s idiotic decision to sign Guillen for 150-200% of his market value means the Royals are likely stuck with him, but leaving that aside (and I wish the Royals could), on a strictly talent/age level, Guillen needs to be replaced much more urgently than Mark Teahen.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 13, 2008 10:24 AM EST
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Whenever i start to lose faith in DMGM,
he speaks on the radio and it all comes back.. I believe the man (or i want to) and when i hear him say things such as raising the payroll 20-25 then i’m happy, and think he is trying.. maybe he did just bring in Jacobs to platoon? who knows really.. but i think buck is a gonner.. we need some brayan! (pena)
"I can resist everything but temptation." - oscar wylde
by cfizzle on Nov 13, 2008 7:12 AM EST 0 recs
And that is how DMGM got the job
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 13, 2008 10:24 AM EST
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DM
Should work for Sterling Cooper

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by RoyalsRetro on
Nov 13, 2008 11:10 AM EST
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It's not called the wheel
it’s called the carousel.
by Gopherballs on
Nov 13, 2008 12:57 PM EST
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i seriously hope butler isn't relegated to a platoon so early in his career
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by marbotty on Nov 13, 2008 11:55 AM EST 0 recs
Don't worry, only a complete idiot would so something like that
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 13, 2008 1:33 PM EST
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I think it might be worse then that.
I think Shealy will have the starting job at 1B, Jacobs will start as the DH, and Billy will fill in for Jacobs when he plays first and Guillen is not taking some time off playing outfield to play DH, or in other words, he might as well be in AAA to get work, only Kila will take his time there, so he might have to go to AA to get work at first base.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on
Nov 13, 2008 6:36 PM EST
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Go Naturals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111101
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
Nov 13, 2008 9:13 PM EST
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How dare you, sir
How dare you.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 15, 2008 2:52 AM EST
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I gave that at hate rec
Just for the outstanding hearts
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on
Nov 15, 2008 11:29 AM EST
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