The Office Season 5 Epsiode 7 Open Thread

by royalsreview on Nov 13, 2008 5:03 PM EST Comment 79 comments

Are those numbers right? I've lost all count.

Business Trip. Michael brings Andy and Oscar on a business trip to Canada, while Jim counts down the days until Pam gets back from art school.

Hey, remember when Pam's art school was a non-sensical three months and exclusively over the summer? So do I. Now were on what, the fourth episode of having to feel sorry for Mr. Perfect about it.

It must be tough for Jim those months when he's not promoted or offered a job at corporate or able to wrap with the CEO about how awesome he is. And look, after joylessly running through purse girl and Karen, he's been seperated from Pammie.

It is so easy to identify with this everyman.

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Michael brings Andy and Oscar on a business trip to Canada

The Office generally does very well when characters who typically do not interact share scenes together. Hopefully, Oscar’s mean streak, which can be funny as hell, makes an appearance.

by Gopherballs on Nov 13, 2008 6:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

This show seems to be causing you way too much distress

I hope an anvil falls on Jim’s head.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 7:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Maybe Jim will lick too many wedding invitation envelopes with a toxic glue

and die.

by Gopherballs on Nov 13, 2008 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes!

Score one for us poor schlubs at home!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

How many Canada jokes do you predict tonight?

Will there be a Tim Hortons or Boston Pizza product placement?

by Gopherballs on Nov 13, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I bet Michael

Says "Shrimp on the Barbie’ or something like that.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 13, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Winnipeg in itself is pretty hilarious

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

having lowered my expectations accordingly,

this episode was pretty good. Don’t want to spoil anything for those who missed it though.

OMG Jam!

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Nov 13, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Holy crap

class ended in time for the Office. This might be like the 2nd time this season!

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Nov 13, 2008 9:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

its cool

Kudos to the Andy-Oscar minor plotline

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 10:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

Glad to see Oscar get more screentime, he is consistently one of my favorite characters. Andy usually annoys the hell out of me, but I actually liked him in this episode, especially in the bar and subsequent airport scenes.

“What’s first base for Angela?”
“I get to kiss her on the forehead.”

by DarthYoshi on Nov 14, 2008 10:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Andy annoys you?

I personally think his scenes are often the funniest on the show, especially anything musical/Cornell related

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I just see Andy as this idiot frat boy

All the other characters on the show, even Kevin, are possessing of at least some degree of cleverness and intellect. Andy is loud and dumb, which for me is usually more annoying than it is funny.

That being said, I’ve liked him much more in the last couple episodes, with the Canada and Dwight-applying-to-Cornell subplots.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 14, 2008 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, they resolved the Pam-in-New York tension in the most Disney way possible

So the show built up big possible tension about Pam perhaps staying in New York for more school or to pursue an art career. And instead of dealing with it, they had a very simple “love conquers all” moment. Diabetics in the audience, please give yourself another injection of insulin.

Perhaps this issue will come back up again and create a problem for America’s Sweethearts© but they are really sticking to this syrupy sweet perfect love relationship story line. It continues to be the only major weakness in a great show. Will the writers overcome or take the path of least resistance?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 13, 2008 11:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I can't believe this is going anywhere "happy"

am I the only one who sees this as an obvious beginning of the way down? Do I have too much faith in the writers to think they can handle position players, too? Wait, what were we talking about?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 13, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

setting up michael getting fired

which will be the definitive tragedy or statement of the series

The Pam/Art School thread was always non-sensical, did we even know what she was even doing? A three month certification in something? In a way, I guess its realistic, you can’t just snap your fingers and become an “artist” and taking a class and moving to NY is really, still, just snapping your fingers. Its crushingly sad, but of course, she’s doing it all for love, so…

by royalsreview on Nov 14, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Recall my prediction that this very thing would happen

(even though it wasn’t a very stunning prediction) — Pam’s return despite Jim telling her to stick it out.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

only downside...

more glory for the golden boy

but hey, he was really sweating it for like 6 hours or something

by royalsreview on Nov 14, 2008 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

hee hee

I’m sure you’ll like him better when everything falls apart in May

or will that just be just (aesthetic) deserts?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess the hallowed BBC version

established a precedent that the star-crossed lovers have to find happiness

Aesthetically, Pam’s failure in art school was a brave choice and one of integrity. But then we get the sunset scene (how many of those have there been the last two seasons?) with Jim where she seemed a little too comfortable with it all. Maybe its just Fishcer’s weakness as an actress or something. I dunno… I find Pam’s behavior as Jim’s happy little cheerleader not really endearing.

by royalsreview on Nov 14, 2008 12:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I understand that

but don’t you think it’s headed for a breakdown at the end of the season? They absolutely have to break up. They don’t have to go with the smarmy Jim getting left at the altar (although that would be true to Pam’s form — play the martyr until the last minute, then fuck everyone else over), just a sad/bitter farewell and tension.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't have to go that way

It could, but that hasn’t been the way they’ve been playing it. From the beginning, they’ve played the relationship as two soulmates, destined to be together, who have to overcome obstacles to get together and stay together. There will certainly be more obstacles, but I don’t think they will let this particularly story line end in tragedy. I still say that the producers of the show want as big and broad of an audience as possible. So they are trying to balance somewhat edgier, alternative comedy with a sweet, mass appeal love story. I think that they have decided to have their cake and eat it too, and then laugh/cry all the way to the bank (if I may liberally mix metaphors).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 14, 2008 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

that's shortsighted

it’s the Mike Jacobs trade of sitcom writing. Yeah, there’s a short-term payoff, but the long-term opportunity cost reveals a deviation from a successful plan that will hurt the franchise. In the case of the Royals, it isn’t fatal. For the Office, it will be.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 1:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no way they will break up PB & J

once they made the choice to get them together, to break them up would be waaay too cliched now

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Nov 14, 2008 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think they should let them get married

Then show how marriage isn’t at all like dating. Those cute little things Jim does around the office start to get really annoying, especially when he doesn’t take out the trash.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Or never gets ambitious enough to make more money

or when Pam gets pregnant by New York Jim.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

when Pam gets pregnant by New York Jim

Damn! It would be an interesting turn for the show to go that dark and tragic. But I do like Retro’s idea of having them get married and then have their marriage turn to shit. But it would have to be more than the sitcom-ish “I guess the honeymoon is over” moments. I would like for it more to be “Wow, I guess palling around at the office really doesn’t get you know a person well enough to know if you can live together and spend the rest of your lives together.” They realize that the foundation of their relationship is just gags, pranks and bad puns, and so they get divorced. And then Jenna leaves to show to become a big movie star, and makes a couple straight-to-DVD films before co-starring in “CSI: Portland”.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm thinking Jenna ends up as

George Clooney’s “settle down” wife.

But then I’ve said that before.

I guess I was going of the “in real life” version of Pam and Jim. As we’ve discussed before, Pam is appealing to the masses (of which I’m a member) because she’s that ~~girl~~ woman we’ve all known — who is smart enough,. pretty enough, but just makes the worst decisions, often in the face of better advice.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As we’ve discussed before, Pam is appealing to the masses (of which I’m a member) because she’s that girl woman we’ve all known — who is smart enough,. pretty enough, but just makes the worst decisions, often in the face of better advice.

There’s no doubt that this the Pam that the writers created until Jim and Pam got together. But I don’t think they are portraying her in that way now. I think they are trying to show that since Pam got involved with Jim, she’s started making the right decisions: dating Jim, going to New York to follow her art career dreams, getting engaged to Jim, returning from New York to be with her soulmate. Of course there are some internal contradictions in that list. Will the writers allow Pam the realization that turning her back on an art career so that she can be with Jim is a bad decision? Or will they keep her deliriously happy with her soulmate?

There are many paths that the writers can take with Pam and Jim-Pam. Unfortunately, there is a path of least resistance which takes them to the alter and wedded bliss. I don’t know that they will go there, but I fear they will.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you think they're stupid enough to believe in soulmates?

Because if they do, they might want to call Sarah Palin for advice on not looking stupid.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hard to say

I don’t know if Jim, Pam or the writers believe in soulmates, but there are many millions of women (and some lesser number of men) in this country who do believe in soulmates and even more who want to believe in soulmates. And, thus, they like seeing America’s Sweethearts© finding and enjoying a perfect love.

For simple business reasons, after having created Bambi, it is going to be hard for the writers to kill Bambi.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I feel that way about the Royals...

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by buddyball on Nov 17, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If they break up,

I’ll cheer. Does that make me a bad person? I don’t care. The show was better before this crapola.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Nov 14, 2008 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

no

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 1:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Good,

because it makes like 105% of girls who watch this show think I’m a bitter old 22-year-old or something. :P

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Nov 14, 2008 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

do they dig that?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You know, some of them do. :P

But I swear, the women I’m around up here are far too pro-Jim.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Nov 14, 2008 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Solid episode

minus the two Jim/Pam scenes. Oscar and Andy paid off great. Daryl walking to his car was a great shot. Could have used more Winnipeg.

30 Rock was genius with the Night Court bit. The Jennifer Anniston story line should not have worked, but the writing and acting pulled it off impressively.

by Gopherballs on Nov 14, 2008 1:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

did michael sleep with the concierge?

i couldn’ tell

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Nov 14, 2008 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

and then unceremoniously kicked him out.

by Gopherballs on Nov 14, 2008 1:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

On the Night Court 30 Rock episode, although they got my hopes up for a “Night Court: The Movie” starring Tracy Jordan as “Mac”.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I always liked Markie Post

And she is still pretty hot for a 58-year-old.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

She looked good

And her boobs looked bigger than I remember as a child.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember them being quite big

She rarely put them out on display, but they were an important part of my formative years. Fall Guy, Night Court…good times.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dana Plato, Judith Light, Meredith Baxter-Birney....

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow...

Fall Guy is almost as much of a classic as A-Team, Simon and Simon, and the immortal Magnum, P. I.

However, for me, while I like Night Court growing up, a few years back I saw some of the eps, and it holds up even worse than Cheers. T

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it doesn't hold up at all

I liked the show back then, but didn’t love it. I did love Markie Post though. Well, love isn’t the right word. Lust.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I remember seeing her in "Something About Mary"

and thinking that she had aged really well

Yeah, her, um, upper body was really nice.

No Heather Thomas, of course. But then, everyone knew Heather Thomas was hot. Especially her coke dealer, I’ll bet.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I had a thing for Heather Thomas for a while too

I had a poster of her and everything. I think my tastes have matured since then because now I see that she was just another thin blonde. Markie had (and has) some real zazz!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you have

the poster with her twisting her bikini bottoms that my friends cool older brother and Dirk Diggler both had?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yep

That was a quality poster. I’m surprised my parents allowed me to put it up. I guess that is a safer outlet for testosterone than many other possibilities.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Our Colombian exchange student

(my older brother’s age) bought me a Christy Brinkley poster for my 13th birthday, but my mom wouldn’t let me put it up.

That poster rocked. That’s the moment I knew Boogie Nights would rule.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh yeah

I loved “Dan” in the original Night Court, but seeing Lohn Larroquette on other stuff lately has made me wonder if he was always so insufferable. It’s like he’s trying to be as smarmy as Phil Hartman, but is so self-congratulatory that he just comes off as a tool.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And what is with JL not being on the 40 Rock "Night Court reunion"?

Does he think he’s too good to be associated with his old role (and only claim to fame) because he gets the occasional guest spot on other TV series? I think a lot of Dan Fielding’s jerkness came naturally to JL.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And when he was on "Chuck"

(I know, I’m a dork for liking that show — they’re hotshotting every good angle worse than WCW in 1998) he could have been perfect, but he overdid it.

I guess my Phil Hartman standard is just too high for that type.

For some reason we don’t watch 30 ROck. Not sure why. I’ve liked it the couple times I’ve seen it — Alec Baldwin is finally being good at something (He’s what John Larroquette could have been, you know, if he didn’t suck).

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

My wife absolutely loves “Chuck” so I watch it. I think it is ok. Kind of funny and inoffensive. It rarely annoys me. And the blonde is breathtakingly beautiful.

And 30 Rock might be my favorite show in TV right now. If you like the Simpsons and Arrested Development, then you’ll like 30 Rock. I’m not saying it is as good as those shows, but they have a similar kind of comedy. Very funny, very smart, rapid fire dialog which is dense with funny references and little throw away lines which are often even better than the punchline. Great stuff. I just got the Season 1, Disc 1 from Netflix. The shows are so well written and so dense that in watching the episodes again, you pick up stuff you missed earlier.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 10:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 on 30 Rock

I think “Sunny in Philadelphia” is the funniest show on TV (although this season has been a bit of a letdown), 30 Rock is a close second.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That Philly show is good

Very over the top and whacky, but I like it. That scene in the most recent show where they attack and kidnap the Juarez family who they are going to “help” was absolutely hilarious.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The show was better

When they took on controversial issues. I never thought an episode about abortion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict would be funny, but they are probably the most hilarious episodes of the series.

And don’t forget Green Man!!!!

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Abortion OR the Israel/Palestinian conflict

An abortion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict would be even funnier.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I couldn't stop laughing when they blew Colonel Cricket's head off

by AngryJesus on Nov 16, 2008 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And was it just me

Or did a crazy Jen Anniston seem really hot??? I mean, she was hot before, but her acting all nuts made her like 1000 times hotter. Liz Lemon was right, it is a drug!

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I love that Kelly and Ryan are back together

Those people are two hilarious train wrecks who deserve each other. Ryan is a jerk who deserves all of the hell that Kelly puts him through.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 14, 2008 3:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

+1

This was the first episode in a while where Ryan made me laugh. That last talking-head scene in episode was hilarious.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 14, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+2

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 14, 2008 10:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+a billion

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Nov 15, 2008 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Blech

I guess I’m in the minority but I thought that was the worst episode they’ve had in quite awhile. The Jim/Pam storyline was stupid and saccharine. Michael wasn’t all that funny, just sad. There was very little Dwight, and he drives much of the comedy on the show. Ryan and Kelly are probably the two most annoying characters on the show.

The only redeeming part was the Oscar/Andy storyline, which was really good – I like seeing more depth to the backup players.

Couple minor things….why did Oscar have to go on the trip? Do you really need someone from accounting? For that matter, why do they need Andy or Meredith? Seemed like Michael could have handled it on his own. And did Meredith make it to Winnipeg? They didn’t even show her there. I thought she’d have some scene-stealing moments.

Seems like they’re setting up:

(1) Michael and David Wallace having it out in a confrontation that has Michael hilariously making himself a martyr for love, only to find out that Holly has already moved on, forcing him to beg for his old job back.

(2) Ryan dumping Kelly again

(3) Jim telling Pam to go back to New York (my wife was rolling her eyes and how Pam “couldn’t do twelve more weeks”. Her and I lived 1500 miles apart for a year)

(4) Andy is about to discover Angela has been letting Dwight go way past kissing her forehead

Hope they step it up, its not like the writers have blogs about dunderhead baseball analysts distracting them anymore.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 8:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

actually sort of agree

My wife an I got engaged when I was living in Kansas and she was in Paraguay for a year. But at least your wife gets at how pathetic Pam is. Which is the point of the show (everyone’s pathetic in that sense).

Oscar probably went to that Michael wouldn’t make any insane deals — it makes sense, from David Wallace’s perspective. Although Michael is clearly actually good at sales.

I don’t think Meredith went at all, it was confusing.

Remember,though, TV shows, like baseball players, age much more quickly than we expect. The Office at least in its age 30 year right now — everyone thinks that’s the prime, when it’s actually probably a year or two into the decline.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You two don't get it

(3) Jim telling Pam to go back to New York (my wife was rolling her eyes and how Pam "couldn’t do twelve more weeks". Her and I lived 1500 miles apart for a year)

My wife an I got engaged when I was living in Kansas and she was in Paraguay for a year. But at least your wife gets at how pathetic Pam is. Which is the point of the show (everyone’s pathetic in that sense).

Jim and Pam have a perfect love. The love that you two have for your significant others is just regular ol’ normal love. When two soulmates find each other, they can’t bear to be apart. Their perfect love is conquering and will continue to conquer all.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nobody puts Baby in the corner!

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 16, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Remember when Conan O'Brien was on his big "Bring Dirty Dancing Back!" thing?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Just caught a glimpse of an ad for next's weeks ep

Toby’s back

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Thank god

Not a moment too soon. I wonder if he is stepping back into his old job since his replacement was exiled.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I found this synopsis

“Frame Toby” – A mysterious person in the office has made a huge mess in the microwave and will not clean it up. Meanwhile, Michael has to come to terms with the fact that there have been certain personnel changes in his staff without his knowing.

I assume the staff change is corporate re-hiring Toby and assigning him to Scranton without Michael knowing about it?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

He's perfect as the guy who "deserves" Pam

but never “earns” her.

Just like high school!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Long-term story line I'd love to see but will never happen

Toby quietly, secretly steals Pam from Jim, and they elope to Las Vegas. So Toby ends up with the girl and actually closes the deal with an actual wedding, which Jim and Roy never could.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course, that would ruin the Toby "character"

since the whole point of him is that he never has the stones to actually do something like that

and he’s probably better off anyway, since if Pam married Toby, she’d would have a threesome with two guys she’s never met before the second night of their honeymoon.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 16, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But characters can change and grow

You don’t want too much of that in a long running TV show, but it can happen. But they could do it and have the marriage blow up, which would be both expected and realistic. But it would be worth it because Toby will always have that moment that he bested Jim and got the girl. The fact that she ends up cheating on him and leaving him, well that’s just epilogue. It would be nice for ol’ Gil to get a big win once, even if it must eventually turn into a loss.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 16, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs