The Coco Crisp Trade: Change We Didn't Really Need and Can't Really Believe In
To our surprise, Dayton Moore has had an active autumn, making two out of the blue trades that have exclusively involved Major League players. Moreover, Dayton's immortal "pitching is the currency of baseball" line has rung true, with both Mike Jacobs and now Coco Crisp paid for with bullpen arms. There's even a similar element regarding taking on salary. While the Jacobs trade was a non-solution to a non-problem, on balance the Crisp pickup looks more like a half-solution to, perhaps, a half problem. The currency paid for these two players was not high, but it wasn't insignificant either, and when its mid-June and the Royals send, say, Jeff Fulchino out to keep a 4-2 game close, we should remember these trades.
Reading the hundreds of comments yesterday, like many of you, my initial reaction was a painful realization of the loss of Ramon Ramirez: probably the best relief pitcher the Royals have had this decade, in the non-Soria division. As the hours passed, and completely rational arguments about the fungibility of relievers poured in, as well as some less than super-optimistic projections for Ram-Ram we're thrown around however, it didn't look so bad. For the past year I've argued that if Dayton truly has an ability to find arms anywhere, then he needs to leverage that talent. With the Nunez and Ramirez swaps, he looks like he's trying to do just that. Ramirez wasn't likely an easy player for Moore to let go of either, and I applaud his willingness to move one of his shinest acquisitions. I'll miss Ramirez -- who always reminded me of the Wallace Stevens poem "The Idea of Order at Key West" -- but hopefully, there will always be more Ramirezes to fall for.
So, with this trade in mind, we can really see a clear modus operandi developing from the Moore camp. And as Kahrl pointed out on BP yesterday, Ramon Ramirez was, essentially, originally Tony Graffanino, so in effect, the Royals acquired a starting centerfielder for a utility player, which is certainly yummy. Its trades like this that have got the Royals to where they are and give us hope for the future. While the method was strong, however, I can't help but think that the motivation, nevertheless, remains questionable. As with the Jacobs trade, I don't think that you can view this trade in a wholly positive light, given Dayton's idiosyncratic approach to team-building.
One of the biggest takeaways of this trade is that Dayton Moore does not view David DeJesus as the team's proper centerfielder, a direction the team has been moving in since the earliest days of the Moore regime. As you will recall, Moore's first trade was the Gathright-Howell exchange. This is a half-problem, at worst. Although DeJesus's glove might be slightly below average, there's no evidence that it's really a major problem. Instead, DeJesus just doesn't fit Moore's retrograde template: he wants a true speed-demon with a sterling reputation in center. Defense matters to Moore, at three or four positions, just like OBP matters to him at three or four lineup spots. Nevermind that DDJ's offense goes from asset to problematic by shifting him to a corner. The Royals have now made two major trades (Howell and Ramirez are legitimate big league arms with talent) to address a fairly cosmetic issue.
Where are we going to have that parade again, Dayton?
As for Crisp, it must be said that he's a nice player and probably the third or fourth best position player on the Royals now. He's an upgrade over DeJesus in center and a better player than Gathright or Maier. As a group, Royal CFs hit unbelievably horrible last season. Like, TPJ (well, good TPJ) bad: .268/.316/.322. We'll have to wait and see, but there might even be something to be gained by letting DDJ bat at a lower-pressure defensive spot as well, as he hit terribly as a CF last season, posting a .279/.326/.386 line. And that kind of performance just isn't acceptable, even in center-field...
Only, .279/.326/.386 isn't far removed from what Coco Crisp has managed the last three seasons. At the end of the 2005 season, his last in Cleveland, Coco was a career .287/.329/.424 hitter. Maybe it was injuries, maybe it was a loss of playing time, maybe it was the Boston cold, but he has preceded to spend his peak-age seasons failing to match that production. For all the emotional ups and downs, he was a remarkably consistent carmine (to use a Hawkism for the Red Sox):
| BA | OBP | SLG | |
| 2006 | .264 | .317 | .385 |
| 2007 | .268 | .330 | .382 |
| 2008 | .283 | .344 | .407 |
Clearly, David DeJesus and his career .287/.360/.422 line wasn't good enough.
You can see a very gradual comeback, but the heights of his Cleveland days are gone forever. The power, especially against right-handed pitchers (unfortunately the majority these days) is gone. To be fair, Crisp hit well against lefties last season, even slugging .474. The Hillman regime however, has a pretty weak record regarding platoon splits however, so its doubtful this edge will be maximized, and I suspect in full-time duty, his numbers will drop from 2008.
So absent other trades, it looks like the Royals are planning on a DeJesus-Crisp-Guillen outfield. Ah, Jose Guillen, the gift that keeps on giving. The outfield defense should be slightly above average, but only just so with perhaps the worst regular in the game patrolling the Guillen-Zone. Then there's the offense, which will need a) another mini-peak season from DDJ b) a bounceback from Crisp and c) a bounceback from Josey to be a positive factor for the Royals.
That seems like a lot to ask for simply because David DeJesus doesn't look like Dayton's idea of a centerfielder.
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Right on.
To DMGM, DeJesus was never a
(1) True Center Fielder™, or a
(2) True Leadoff Hitter™
He just doesn’t run fast enough.
by hippdoghipp on Nov 20, 2008 1:12 PM EST 0 recs
is there a consensus regarding DDJ's glove?
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by LeoBloom on
Nov 20, 2008 1:18 PM EST
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Around average in CF, with this last year being slightly below
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by NHZ on
Nov 21, 2008 4:39 AM EST
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btw, shouldn't you be the one giving us the skinny on this
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 21, 2008 8:50 AM EST
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wouldn't he be expected do decline defensively in the next few seasons?
by benfunke on
Nov 21, 2008 1:45 PM EST
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Yes
And arguably his defense is currently declining. And we should expect a defensive decline from Crisp as well. Not a huge decline from either, but slow and steady.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 21, 2008 2:30 PM EST
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i tend forget that Coco is getting up there in years, too
otherwise, i could see that it would make sense to convalesce DDJ to the LF pasture and add a younger, spryer CFer (but Coco is just spryer, not really younger)
by benfunke on
Nov 21, 2008 2:33 PM EST
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Yeah, I think Coco is faster and has better range
And neither of them is old. They are both around their hitting peaks, but their defense should be going downhill. But the good news is that it usually doesn’t go downhill very fast at this age.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 21, 2008 2:42 PM EST
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what do you have against Jeff Fulchino
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by LeoBloom on Nov 20, 2008 1:18 PM EST 0 recs
but his head is as big as a pumpkin!
that has to count for something…
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by buddyball on
Nov 20, 2008 2:12 PM EST
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I loved him in "Peanuts"
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 2:22 PM EST
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Either the title of this post...
…is over the top, or RR is going through an emotion period—call it post-RomRam Syndrome (PRRS).
But, RR, do you really believe this: “While the Jacobs trade was a non-solution to a non-problem, on balance the Crisp pickup looks more like a half-solution to, perhaps, a half problem.” With regard to Jacobs, are you calling the Royals lack of power a non-problem? Well, you’re the—only—-one. You’re it. We couldn’t score runs last year, and getting an HR/RBI guy helps—-no matter his high SOs and low OBP.
And why can’t DDJ adjust to left field? Do you really, in your heart of hearts, believe that DDJ can’t become an above-average left fielder? – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Nov 20, 2008 1:23 PM EST 0 recs
But, RR, do you really believe this: "While the Jacobs trade was a non-solution to a non-problem, on balance the Crisp pickup looks more like a half-solution to, perhaps, a half problem." With regard to Jacobs, are you calling the Royals lack of power a non-problem? Well, you’re the—only—-one.
Yeah, I have to agree here. The Royals weren’t exactly fine and dandy at 1B/DH. Before Jacobs, the Royals had one good young player who hasn’t really performed well yet, and that’s about it. He should be getting full-time play at one 1B/DH position, but there was a big opening at the other. Sure, one can argue that in 2009, it would have been best to see how Shealy and Kila perform there. But one cannot say with a straight face that the Royals had no problem at one of the 1B/DH positions.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:29 PM EST
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yea... 1B/DH sucked
that is a fair point
but Jacobs isn’t the answer any more than Shealy/Kila likely would have been… or even Dougie M.
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 1:38 PM EST
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but Jacobs isn’t the answer any more than Shealy/Kila likely would have been… or even Dougie M.
Jacobs isn’t a good answer. He’s an improvement. And if you’re saying that Shealy and/or Kila would have been just as good as Jacobs will be, I think that is showing a lot of faith which isn’t necessarily supported by the facts. What has Shealy done that supports the contention that he’d be as good as Jacobs is projected to be? And are we sure that Kila’s one and only good minor league season was the real deal? Can anyone be even confident of that?
Again, my problem is the certainty that many are showing that others are just as good as Jacobs. They might be, but I can’t say they probably are. And Kila/Shealy should have gotten a shot instead. But Jacobs is more of a sure thing as opposed to two big question marks.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:41 PM EST
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I think that's right via Shealy/Kila
but the other part is that trading for Jacobs wasn’t the only or best option. But I think you might agree with that.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 2:29 PM EST
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I agree
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 2:31 PM EST
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how bad is Kila's glove supposed to be?
because Jacobs is, supposedly, essentially the worst 1B on the planet
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 2:37 PM EST
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Not much data
I hear “average,” which would make him the second best defensive 1B on the roster behind Shealy.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 2:37 PM EST
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the thing I don't get is we sucked
we made some changes, and now people are upset because we’re trying to UNSUCK.
Weird.
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by 306008 on
Nov 20, 2008 4:39 PM EST
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Nobody is upset that Moore is trying to improve the team
But the fact that he’s trying isn’t enough. They have to be moves that actually improve the team and are better than other options which could have improved the team more.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 4:43 PM EST
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I think RR's point is this:
The Royals have several needs.
1. 1B isn’t one of them, considering we have about 3 guys who can play 1B adquately. Jacobs doesn’t address the problem even if there is one, because he’s not any better than the guys we have.
2. CF isn’t one of them, considering we already have an above-average CF. So by bringing in Crisp, we make DDJ a LF, where he’s not as valuable. So instead of leaving CF alone and upgrading LF, now we have two CFs and still need a LF.
That’s how I feel, anyway.
by hippdoghipp on
Nov 20, 2008 1:30 PM EST
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1. 1B isn’t one of them, considering we have about 3 guys who can play 1B adquately. Jacobs doesn’t address the problem even if there is one, because he’s not any better than the guys we have.
Before Jacobs, the Royals had one guy who could play 1B/DH adequately (if he continues to develop). That’s one guy for two positions. Gload can’t play either adequately. Can Shealy or Kila play either position adequately? I don’t know. There’s a lot of reason to say “no”. A lot. Shealy has been unimpressive for multiple years now (including 2008). Kila has one good professional season in his career. I think they should have gotten a shot. But to say that the Royals certainly would have been just fine without Jacobs is a big stretch. It is quite possible, perhaps probable that both Shealy and Kila would have OPS in the low .700’s. I don’t think that’s adequate.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:34 PM EST
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You're the problem.
You don’t get it. We have 1B guys with power that we passed over in favor of Gload last year, and now we get someone even more hacktastic than what we had in Jacobs.
A corner OF guy is expected to have power and DDJ has little to none. CF is excused from power if they have the defense to roam the alleys and make spectacular plays. So now DDJ in LF is below league average for his position, but in CF he is great. Defensively he will be good to ok, either way, it’s his bat that likely won’t improve to the above average level. Maybe if he starts the Barry Bonds Training Regimen™.
by AxDxMx on
Nov 20, 2008 2:53 PM EST
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We have 1B guys with power that we passed over in favor of Gload last year
We did? Who? And did you know that Gload was projected to have the best OBP of all potential Royals first basemen going into 2008?
A corner OF guy is expected to have power and DDJ has little to none.
Actually, a corner OF guy should be a good hitter, period. And DDJ is. Yes, his value decreases somewhat as he goes from CF to LF. But his mix of high OBP and pretty good SLG plays well there. It’s not like he’s a light hitting CFer moved to a corner position. He’s been hitting a lot like a corner guy.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 2:57 PM EST
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You know....
we can build a team outside of the norm if it wins.
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by 306008 on
Nov 20, 2008 4:40 PM EST
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I mostly agree with you, Will, but...
I don’t think you were necessarily saying this, but I don’t think we should just assume everything would have been fine if we’d just kept DDJ in CF and then acquired a fairly cheap corner OFer. I would have preferred that, but it’s not like that would have been the big upgrade, as compared to this small upgrade. For instance, if the Royals would have just signed Rivera, Hinske, or Branyan, those players each come with their own offensive question marks and limitations, as well as poor OF defense.
And I thought I had detected a reflection on this website in recent months of what has been going on throughout sabermetric circles. And that is a recognition of the very large importance of defense. The Royals defense was, by all accounts at or near the bottom of all of major league baseball. Bad defense costs runs, and therefore wins. Better defense saves runs, and therefore increases wins. So while I think we need to recognize the opportunity cost of the Crisp trade (which is the lost OPS improvement the Royals could have gotten through a corner OF acquisition), we also need to recognize the very real value of improved OF defense (basically two of the three OFers are CFers).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 20, 2008 1:27 PM EST 0 recs
+1
Not to mention that quality, both-ways types of corner outfielders are one of the most expensive positions to fill. Call it the “homerun glitter that is not always gold.” Getting Crisp solves some outfield defense and cost questions while leaving room for non-HR offensive potential. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on
Nov 20, 2008 1:34 PM EST
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Crisp's 8MM next year isn't exactly cheap....
and isn’t non-HR offensive potential the KC calling card on offense? Or is that OBP?
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on
Nov 20, 2008 1:36 PM EST
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Crisp's contract
2009 5.75M
2010 8M club option
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:38 PM EST
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yes, i do see the defensive upgrade
but DDJ was already playing a lot in a corner last season, so its not necessarily going to be huge
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 1:40 PM EST
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Ok, if you want to look at it that way
If you want to compare the DDJ-Maier/Gathright-Guillen OF to a DDJ-Crisp-Guillen OF, then not only is Crisp a small defensive improvement, he’s also a significant offensive improvement.
And then you can compare the DDJ-Crisp-Guillen OF to the more common Teahen-DDJ-Guillen offense, in which you see probably a small hitting downgrade and a big defensive upgrade.
Add a good Teahen trade to this Crisp trade and you’ve got a nice set of complimentary moves.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:43 PM EST
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I'm sorta in favor of trading DDJ over teahen
as DDJ may have more value, but we’ll see…
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 1:46 PM EST
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and regarding Crisp...
I dunno man… I see problems there in his numbers. .270 with middling walks and no power is a real possibility
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 1:47 PM EST
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Well, lots of things are a real possibility
I think the current projections we’ve seen (Marcel, ZiPS, Bill James) are all pretty accurate and reasonable
.279/.338/.403
.269/.333/.392
.267/.327/.380
And this from a CFer who is pretty good defensively for his position.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:51 PM EST
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but remember Crisp will probably end up with more PAs than anyone else on the team
and those are pretty weak #s
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 2:22 PM EST
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Yes, fairly weak numbers, but ok for a CFer, but a big upgrade over Gathright/Maier and his defense makes for a net upgrade over the Teahen-DDJ-Guillen outfield.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 2:26 PM EST
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Please don't use OPS for this guy, he is a singles hitter, use wOBA
IF you take into account this guy can steal you 40 bases and on the royals he would be more apt to take off to provide offense, he should be considerably above 100 wOBA+!!! They guy was leauge average in wOBA last year with only 20 stolen bases, and he steals sucessfully almost 80% of the time.
Go Royals!
by BabyBlues on
Nov 20, 2008 5:18 PM EST
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of course, he was slightly below average
and that was as close to the good side of average he’s been since 2005.
Luckily, speed stays constant throughout the aging process.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 5:35 PM EST
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Man, you're really like a dog with a bone on this
Even moreso than your Guillen fixation. Does speed decrease greatly in a player’s late 20’s? Maybe one run of defense? But hey, let’s keep harping on speed decline as if we should expect a significant decline.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 5:47 PM EST
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Look at this BtRns/avg
Crisp has been terrible over the last three years with the bat. Even this year, he was below average — and might have been saved from getting further below by playing less.
Over the last three years, Mark Teahen has produced measurably more offense.
That’s just offense, of course. The defensive thing is a consideration. Crisp should be an upgrade there, but it’s hardly a definitive one. Crisp/DDJ/TEahenin whatever configuration beats out anything including Jose Guillen, but he’s not going to be traded, from the looks of things, so the Royals have the makings of something like an average overall CF, accept they won’t keep all three guys.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 2:34 PM EST
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you gotta love that Guillen signing
not only a bad player, but one that will force the removal of better guys
and we’re only paying him $27 M
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 2:38 PM EST
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I thought it was 2/24 left?
I know you’re sick of Teahen, and I get it, but jhis projections and past just aren’t that horrible. Look at my fanshot. He was actually more valuble, overall, in 2007 than 2006… 2008 sucked, but it’s just one year.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 2:40 PM EST
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not sick of teahen the player
just sick of the three-year discussion of if he’ll ever break out
if that makes sense
by royalsreview on
Nov 20, 2008 3:01 PM EST
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(and Guillen's remaining contract is indeed 2/24)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 3:04 PM EST
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yeah, it does
“breakout” probably needs to be retired period. That might help.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 3:06 PM EST
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Anyone looking for a Teahen breakout should look back at 2006
That was it. He’s more due for a small rebound.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 3:07 PM EST
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I think almost everyone agrees
…that Teahen is a better hitter than Crisp.
Crisp/DDJ/TEahenin whatever configuration beats out anything including Jose Guillen, but he’s not going to be traded, from the looks of things, so the Royals have the makings of something like an average overall CF, accept they won’t keep all three guys.
First, the quality of a Crisp/DDJ/Teahen OF is meaningless unless it is to criticize Moore for signing Guillen, which is fair but kind of obvious by now. The reality of the OF is Guillen + 2 OFers. I think the DDJ/Crisp version is the best. And then if you use the surplusage of Teahen in a trade for something in another area of need, you’ve got a good couple of trades to improve the team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 2:39 PM EST
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It will be interesting to see what a TEahen trade would bring
I just meant that right now it is frustrating (DMGM aside) that the Royals probably won’t/can’t keep the best possible outfield together.
But if Teahen can bring in Fontenot+ or something, then great.
Somehow, I think everything would have been better if DMGM had just traded Soria for Matt Kemp (which is, of course hypothetical to the point of being irrelevant)
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 20, 2008 2:41 PM EST
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Crisp is better than you think
Coco was very good at the plate during the playoffs and he was hitting very well before he was injured in 2007. He is very quick and will be an enormous asset on the basepaths as well as in the field. He’s a plus plus defensively and if he plays regularly again he may be able to contribute a lot more than you expect with his offense. This is a good deal. You have to give up something to get something and starting CF’s with his speed are hard to find.
by Sportfanatic on
Nov 21, 2008 1:00 PM EST
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OK
just looking at the numbers. Maybe there’s more there, I admit. I used to love Crisp, and he was genuinely awesome in his underrated 2005 season.
Since then, the numbers seem to think he can’t hit, and was only a defensive stud in 2006.
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 21, 2008 5:50 PM EST
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Middling walks
is an improvement on this team. anyone with any plate discipline is an improvement
by KHAZAD on
Nov 21, 2008 12:46 AM EST
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some stats for better or worse (they don't tell the whole story)
career walk rates:
Coco Crisp 7.3%
David DeJesus 8.6%
Mark Teahen 8.5%
Jose Guillen 5.0%
Career O-Swing% (percentage of pitches outside the zone swung at, records back to 2005)
Crisp 19.6%
DDJ 20.3%
Teahen 26.0%
Guillen 27.9%
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by devil_fingers on
Nov 21, 2008 1:08 AM EST
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who decides the strike zone?
A computer or human? :)
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by 306008 on
Nov 21, 2008 8:48 AM EST
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The robots at Pitch f/x
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 21, 2008 8:52 AM EST
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seems like a good time...

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by devil_fingers on
Nov 21, 2008 8:57 AM EST
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I can understand that
DDJ is clearly more valuable. I won’t mind trading him. I just think Teahen is more likely to be traded.
Of course, some of the reasons that DDJ is more valuable in trade are the reasons he’s better to keep too. DDJ is cheap for multiple years. Teahen has two years of team control and will likely cost more than he’s worth in 2010 (his last arbitration year). I think this is the time to trade him, because he’ll likely have more trade value with his current dollar cost and two years of team control.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:48 PM EST
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Small point...
but I believe we control Teahen through 2011 as he was a super two because of his demotion in 2006.
by djk royal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:50 PM EST
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Was he a super 2?
I don’t think he was, but I could be wrong. But even if it is 3 more years of team control, they are increasingly unaffordable years. If he’s not going to be worth his 2010 arbitration number, he’s definitely not going to be worth his 2011 arbitration number. Regardless, I think this is the best time to trade him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:53 PM EST
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Yes
Teahen has 3 years, 155 days of MLB service time, so he is under team control through 2011 (although he might become a non-tender candidate before then if his performance does not improve).
by Gopherballs on
Nov 20, 2008 2:26 PM EST
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He was a super 2
But I agree this is the time to trade him, and he was one of my favorites
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by fats on
Nov 20, 2008 2:27 PM EST
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On the other hand
Aren’t you just a little curious what Seitzer might do with Teahen? If I had to pick one current Royal that the Seitzer approach might really help, it’d be Teahen.
by kcdc1 on
Nov 20, 2008 1:51 PM EST
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I'm not curious or optimistic what any hitting coach might do with any player
It is rare for a hitting coach to have a real, significant effect on a player’s hitting. Sure they all can help a little with going over scouting reports and going over film. But I think almost all hitting coaches are very, very minor positives. Do I think Seitzer is going to be much of any better or worse than the last guy or the next guy? No.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on
Nov 20, 2008 1:54 PM EST
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