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The Royals are quietly shopping righthanded-hitting outfielder Jose Guillen, a terrific talent who seems to have the knack for wearing out his welcome pretty quickly. Guilen is said to be at odds with Royals manager Trey Hillman, who just completed his first year at the helm in Kansas City.

Guillen can hit -- 20 home runs, 97 RBIs and a .264 batting average last year -- but the problem is his $12 million salary and two years remaining on his contract.
-Jon Heyman, SI.com

I think Heyman has reported this before. Could be bluster, could be true, could be wishful thinking on Dayton's part. All I know is that you're a baby.

SI.com: Heyman's Hot Stove

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It is good news, if true

It’s good to hear that Moore is at least trying to do the right thing here. While I like the idea of trading Teahen or I’m willing to trade DeJesus, the best possibility would be to trade Guillen. I’d even trade him for another bad contract of no more than 2 years if it is for a player who isn’t an OFer.

Considering that the best Royals OF right now is DDJ-Crisp-Teahen, doesn’t the Guillen-for-Castillo trade look a little better right now? Does Castillo only have 2 years left on his contract?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Had to look it up...Castillo is owed 3/18

I like the sounds of 3/18 better than 2/24. Right now, I’d be inclined to do this deal, particularly if the Royals are smart enough to not necessarily feel obligated to keep Castillo for all three years just because they are paying him. I know Castillo’s bat can’t be counted on. Does anyone know if his defense is still sound? Would he be a defensive upgrade over Callaspo?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 2:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh, and I like Castillo's OBP too

Unless Castillo’s defense is crap, I can’t think of a reason not to do this trade (unless there is some better option out there for DM).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 2:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tend to agree

And I’ve heard Castillo’s defense is crap now, although I can’t corroborate that.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 3:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Put him at first base

< / Bill Bavasi >

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 3:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I also think Castillo's D is breaking down as his body does

after age, injuries, and the couple of turf years catch up with him…..without looking it up though….i’ll save that for someone else.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Nov 21, 2008 4:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's a quick turnaroung

Castillo sucks… but the truth is, it’s hard to know whether Callaspo is any better. Castillo might still be better, but Callaspo needs the chance to prove it unless there is another obviously better option. Minaya likes throwing money down the drain, maybe the Royals can convince him to take some of Castillo’s salary?

Or maybe the Royals can flip Castillo again…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 5:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

love it, love it, love it

We’re going to have a new york royals party out here if it happens

I'm about to change my username to DannyDuffyfan

by jackie ballgame on Nov 21, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think it's funny...

that Jon Heman really believes Jose Guillen can hit. Too bad the Fire Joe Morgan web site wasn’t still around to constantly badger Heyman like they used too.

by djk royal on Nov 21, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Count the RBI!!!!!!!!!111

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He didn't say he could walk.

Perhaps there is enough of a distinction to be able to say that he can hit.

by BrRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 3:54 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is,

I’m not giving him an excuse for bad OBP. Just saying that actually hitting is something he can do.

by BrRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 3:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am not surprised...

because it is Jon Heyman and Jon Heyman is a colossal tool. In fact, he may end up being elected mayor of Toolville.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 21, 2008 3:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

greatest line by a seminarian on a royals blog ever

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seminarian?

Darth, are you in the seminary? What denomination?

by BrRoyal on Nov 22, 2008 8:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fives and tens?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Nov 22, 2008 11:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more like fifties and hundreds

…as in dollars.

I’m practically sprinting towards hell.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 22, 2008 4:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, you'll need some cash...

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Nov 22, 2008 5:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Of Course, They

Take plastic down there, too.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 22, 2008 6:23 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

don't the cards melt?

or the magnetic strips get de-magnetized?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Nov 22, 2008 7:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's Black Magic

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 22, 2008 8:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am in indeed at seminary

I just started my Master’s of Divinity coursework this year.

I’m a member of the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). If you haven’t heard of my denomination (it’s kinda small), we’re the ones who gave the world the Peoples Temple (aka Jim Jones’s congregation). I’ve heard all the Kool-Aid jokes, unless you happen to be especially creative.

(ps: d_f, don’t worry about it, I’m generally happy to talk about my calling in an un-proselytizing manner. I was at a concert last night and slept in this morning, so I haven’t been around too much in the last 24 hours or so and just didn’t get around to reading this.)

by DarthYoshi on Nov 22, 2008 4:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool

Forgive me for prying. I’m particularly sensitive to seminary talk since our monastic community runs a college seminary.

by BrRoyal on Nov 22, 2008 7:22 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, now I'M curious...

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 22, 2008 8:30 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

about what? the meaning of life?

If so, the answer is easy—it is a hilarious Monty Python movie.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 22, 2008 8:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Absolutely

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 22, 2008 9:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Catholic Benedictine monk

Conception Abbey (my community) in NW Missouri runs Conception Seminary College. I worked as admissions director for two years, so I’m very familiar with Catholic seminaries, dioceses, and seminarians, but now I’m in DC getting my Master’s at Catholic U.

by BrRoyal on Nov 23, 2008 7:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool

I don’t know the specific differences between the orders — is the master’s you are working like/analogous to the Jesuit philosophical program?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 23, 2008 1:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or something else more vocation-specific?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 23, 2008 1:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm studying Scripture

so that I can teach it in our seminary someday.

by BrRoyal on Nov 23, 2008 5:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All the Kool Aid jokes must be terrible.

The least people can do is be accurate. It wasn’t Kool Aid, it was Flavor Aid.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 24, 2008 6:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Right you are

A little known fact—Kool-Aid has more brand recognition.

The Kool-Aid folks probably aren’t too thrilled with the jokes either.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 24, 2008 11:55 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Kool Aid

Competitor created its own PR nightmare.
http://theyalwayscomeback.blogspot.com/2008/01/funny-face-drink-mix.html

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 25, 2008 1:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry, DarthYoshi, if I got you into something you didn't want to be in

but you posted it earlier, so…

anyway, if there’s a bad, it’s mine

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 22, 2008 11:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jon Heyman

has the honor of having his own keyword at firejoemorgan

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

rid of Hozay

Trade Teahen for Pie+

My dream of DDJ-Coco-Pie outfield. In all seriousness…that is one sick defensive outfield. Plus Maier as a 4th OF!

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Nov 21, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be a good OF if you didn't care about hitting

If Pie developed and neither DDJ nor Crisp declined, that might be a good OF in 2011.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 3:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's When Moustakas

Takes over in RF, moving Pie to CF and Crisp to 4th OF or off the team.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 21, 2008 3:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think Pie is the type of talent we should take risks on

If were not contending next year anyways…why not? And there’s always the possibility you hit the jackpot with these types of players. i think he has Amos Otis type upside.

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Nov 21, 2008 3:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The problems are two, in mind mind. First, while I think Pie has big upside, I don’t think he has a good chance of hitting that upside. It could happen, but I think it unlikely. Second, trading both Guillen and Teahen and leaving Pie as a starting OFer is a big two-year gamble. You’re really counting on Pie to become good. I don’t like that gamble. If Guillen gets traded, then Teahen stays, unless he can be traded for an OFer who is closer to being good right now.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 3:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

"in mind mind?"

sorry, that’s just so unusual for you =- that’s more llke the kind of silly typo that are in all my posts. It’s sort of a relief.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mind mind

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on Nov 21, 2008 6:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That outfield

Would make me hungry

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 3:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What Kind Of

Food is DDJ?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 21, 2008 3:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.

by doublestix on Nov 21, 2008 3:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Soooo many thoughts,

None appropriate to share. Sigh.

by minda33 on Nov 21, 2008 8:42 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

mystery man makes another appearance

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 22, 2008 11:30 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just haven't seen him around here much lately

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 22, 2008 11:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I'm saying

I know he moved, and I know from experience that that puts your life in a blender for a while, but he should be settled now and it’s time for him to face his blog responsibilities again.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 22, 2008 11:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's probably using "work" as an excuse

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 22, 2008 11:35 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weak

If work is really getting in the way, he needs to quit.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 22, 2008 12:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 4:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Castillo implores Mets not to trade him
Metse Castillo driven to secure second chance

Don’t send me to Kansas City! Anything but that!

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 3:20 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

could you just consider trading Guillen for a sack of balls

addition by subtraction? If he doesn’t get along with the manager, and the manager isn’t going anywhere, and this disagreement appears to affect the whole team (shhh, you’ll wake the babies!), the he needs to be gotten rid of, even if it isn’t a great trade. Would you trade him for some minor leaguers with high upsides? I would.

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Nov 21, 2008 3:26 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd bet the Royals would probably be willing to give Jose away for very little

as long as the other team is willing to pick up the entire salary. They could then turn around and sign Furcal with the money saved.

by Top Ramen on Nov 21, 2008 3:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would tend to agree

…however, I think what is a more likely scenario is that any Guillen trade would involve the Royals eating some of the salary.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 21, 2008 4:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think so too

I think any GM would rather tell the public that he traded for something that can help the organization, rather than having to explain that he added financial flexibility.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 4:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

But, really, if Moore were to present this as, “I traded Jose Guillen so that we would have the clams to sign Greinke to a long-term extension,” I think a lot of fans would probably be okay with that.

by DarthYoshi on Nov 21, 2008 4:14 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think a lot of fans

Would be okay with Guillen shipped out of town period.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 4:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you'd think

but I’ve read a lot of omments out there that make me think Dick Kaegel is a man of the people

if people are this excited about Mike Jacobs, geez, Jose Guillen might actually be a better player than him.

Of course, Jacobs won’t (dear lord) be playing defense or hitting against LHP, so he has utility…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There are all kinds of fans

…and they represent every level of knowledge. But fans can be represented by a pyramid, the higher you go in baseball knowledge, the fewer the fans.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 6:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With you sitting on top

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 7:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

But not on the bottom tier.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 8:45 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think most fans...

would be ecstatic about that. Assuming that Moore could actually get Greinke signed, though.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 21, 2008 4:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

plus a million

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think he's all that gritty.

But even more importantly, does he provide enough replacement of Guillen’s A-Hole Factor? Two factors there: (1) Does he have a bad enough attitude that he will get into with the fans? and (2) If he does, then will his weight issues prevent him from climbing into the stands quickly enough?

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 21, 2008 4:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

God I hope this rumor is true.

I didn’t like the other 2 trades GMDM made, but if he pulls this off all is forgiven. Though, I still think Guillen will have a better season next year IF he shows up in shape.

by AxDxMx on Nov 21, 2008 4:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to say...

it would be interesting to see how Guillen comes out of the gates next year (assuming Moore isn’t able to pull off a small miracle and unload him…and his contract). I think half of what makes Jose so pissy is losing and not being competitive (the other half just being his general A-Holishness). I think it’s likely that he’ll feel the Royals are putting a more competitive team on the field, will have added more veteran “non-babies,” and may therefore feel more obligated to show up in shape and ready to go. While we would all hope that making his $12 million would be enough to motivate the guy, the sad truth is that a lot of athletes need some other, more emotional factors to really get them going.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 21, 2008 5:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't care about his attitude issues

they are sometimes entertaining, and would definitely be if not for his other issues, which I do care about,

namely, his “sucking at baseball” issue

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Luis Castillo

Never played for the Braves. This deal will not happen.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 4:46 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but have the Braves

ever wanted to acquire him? We’ve lowered our prereqs now, keep up.

by kcdc1 on Nov 21, 2008 4:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And he's a Satanist

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 5:03 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He did play for the Twins, though

model organization

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so, he plays the game right, even if he is broken down?

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by buddyball on Nov 21, 2008 6:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OBP

Of the current players on the Royals roster, Grudz and Crisp have the highest career OBP, who is next and is the only other active Royal in the top 150?

by Scutch on Nov 21, 2008 4:50 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Huh?

DeJesus’s career OBP is almost 30 points better than the career OBP’s of both Grudz and Crisp. Teahen and Gordon also have career OBP’s equal to Grudz and a point better than Crisp.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 5:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they can trade Guillen

then I believe Teahen will stay and play right field.

by BlueBloodRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 4:58 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if they can trade Guillen

then we’ll probably get a new ‘bad’ contract or be on the hook for most of Guillen’s. So we won’t have that much money left over — and I’d agree that the next best thing would be Teahen.

by CollininCalifornia on Nov 21, 2008 5:01 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK

So let’s say we trade Guillen. Doesn’t our outfield power turn from crappy to horrible then? No one concerned with that at all? What would be a solution?

by I need more Esteban on Nov 21, 2008 5:03 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The solution is...

to petition MLB and Bud Selig to allow us to play 2 (or maybe even 3) DH’s next year. Then you just have a four-man DH rotation of Butler, Jacobs, Shealy, and Kila. With Gload staying to play 1B due to defense and grit.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 21, 2008 5:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not concerned about any one factor; I'm concerned about the overall

Yes, power goes down, but team OBP and defense goes up. Overall, Teahen’s combination of runs that he gives to the offense and runs that he saves on defense is better than Guillen. I want the best overall players out there, period. Whatever leads to the greatest difference between the team’s RS and RA is what will help them win the most games.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 5:11 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

makes sense

It would all be solved if Gordon and Butler just combined for like 40 HRs and hit the ball all around well this season. I’m banking on Gordon having a breakout year.

by I need more Esteban on Nov 21, 2008 5:15 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quick question

What do you consider a breakout year? I don’t have a clear answer for that myself. It seems like we all throw around that phrase, but I don’t necessarily know what we’re all talking about. .825 OPS? .850? .900? Those would all be good years, but what is the breakout threshold?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 5:26 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Juan Rivera!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1/5

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 21, 2008 5:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Guillen is one run worse than Teahen on defense

every projection I’ve seen has him inferior on offense, as well. He’s older. More expensive.

Actually, earlier this week when had a 1.24 WAR projection for Guillen, I made a mistake in my spreadsheet and had him as a CF, not an LF/RF— that’s a one win difference.

That’s right, Marcels/CHONE have him as a .24 WAR player next year. Teahen is at 2.22.

Two wins better at less than half the price!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but Teabag doesn't challenge the babies!!!!!

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by buddyball on Nov 21, 2008 6:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

John Gibbons should be able to handle it

actually, now that I think about it, I will really be sorry if Guillen gets traded before at least one run in with Gibbons

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're overlooking

That Aviles will jack 50 bombs next year

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 21, 2008 7:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 8:29 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No doubt this is good news...

Guillen has been a cancer in the clubhouse since his arrival. I can’t say that I expected anything else…

by Deaner on Nov 21, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno about the clubhouse

he’s definitely been an anchor on offense and defense

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

obp

Sorry, forgot minimum 3000 ab, qualifier

by Scutch on Nov 21, 2008 5:29 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thankfully the Royals are young enough that they have very few players with at least 3000 AB. DeJesus has 5+ MLB seasons under his belt and he’s not even to 2500 yet.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 5:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm going to be very sad when DDJ leaves

even though it will probably be time

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you can start up some man-love for Mike Jacobs

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Nov 21, 2008 6:09 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, he's pretty much just as good

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He doesn't fake injuries!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 6:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have a feeling there's a pretty good chance we'll wish he does, though

I really worry about DDJ… great deal, good player, but overall not what he once was (he was really, really good just two years ago). Would be great if he was good KC forever. But while he’s still above average, the signs of decline are there, at least on defense. I wonder how much longer he’ll be appealing on the trade market?

Would hate to see him go just when the Royals could put together their best outfield since the surprisingly good Emil “Cinderella” Brown era. Well, DDJ/Crisp/Teahen wold be better than that, since Terence Long and Sanders.. ugh. DDJ and Emil were defensive monsters, though.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really worry about DDJ…

Those are good points. Arguably, this might be the best time to trade him. But I do think he’s unlikely to drop off a lot in 2009, so I think he’d have signifiant trade value next offseason too. But you never know; any player good have an off year at any time. The safest time to trade him is this offseason. But you’d have to get a good offer. The tough question is what kind of offer is good enough? I’m not talking about specific names, but how good, how young, how proven and how cheap would the player have to be? I know it is a difficult, multi-variant analysis, but it’s hard for me to describe what it would take for the trade to be a good deal for the Royals. A 25-year-old SP who looks like a #3 SP now who could develop into a #2 and who has 3 arbitration years in front of him would be good. Is that worth more than the remaining years of DDJ and his contract?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 6:35 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was just thinking and emoting

It wasn’t meant as an analytical comment.

I don’t know what I would want to trade for him… I’m not analyzing constantly… I was more wanting him to still be good when the team is, but while the team will probably be better next year, he probably won’t be around when they are contending. But I hope so.

Who knows what he would fetch. His name is always in rumors, although they usually sound to me like “this is the one guy on KC who’s supposed to be good, so they must be trading him” kind of speculation.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 6:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It wasn’t meant as an analytical comment.

But he is aging, and slowing. At his age, he should be roughly at a hitting plateau, but the speed should be decreasing, and thus his range. Not huge, but it will be there, and perhaps more every year.

I was more wanting him to still be good when the team is, but while the team will probably be better next year, he probably won’t be around when they are contending. But I hope so.

I hope so too. But over the years, I’ve developed something of a mercenary sensibility for the players on my team. DDJ is my favorite position player. Greinke is my favorite pitcher. And I love Soria. But I’d happily trade any or all of them today if it would genuinely make the team better (in a smart way). I’d love for this core of players to stay together and be good together for the next several years and improve its way into the playoffs and the World Series. But often even parts of the core have to be traded away to move the team forward (like Delmon Young and the Rays).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 21, 2008 8:49 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lol... yeah, I'm sure there were many tears of sadness that Delmon couldn't be with them

I bet they won the ALCS “for” Jose Cansenco

but seriously, I agree with all of that

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 9:10 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't decide if those eyes are sexy or not

who would have thought that the idea of a DDJ-Crisp-Teahen outfield would be so exciting?

Imagine the possibility of a cost-effective, league average outfield. In our lifetimes!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the fans don't run the team though.

The GM and manager are both new too so there goes anyone up top who would have previous experience with him.

by gordonrules on Nov 21, 2008 10:50 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Doesn't That Make

Them more likely to bring him back?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

one would think

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Nov 21, 2008 11:24 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miguel Cairo

done

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 21, 2008 10:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not anti-Guillen

It was nice to have a player actually drive in more than 75 runs for the Royals. He may cause trouble in the clubhouse, but without him, the Royals would have finished in last place.

by jbrocato on Nov 22, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A deal with the Mets is looking like it will make sense more and more

Clearly, the Mets are looking for a high-priced, veteran corner outfielder. They have balked at the White Sox asking price for Dye. He’s signed for $11.5 million just through next year (not far off from Guillen’s $12 million). When you consider that they apparently REALLY want to get rid of Castillo, then they’d probably be willing to take on all of Guillen’s salary.

Here’s a comparison of the Royals’ known or rumored options at 2B (offensive numbers—obviously Castillo has the biggest sample size):

Callaspo
                                   AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+
162 Game Avg 422 35 112 18 4 0 31 3 3 34 36 .266 .320 .328 70

Castillo
                                   AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+
162 Game Avg 627 97 183 19 6 3 42 37 14 75 83 .292 .367 .355 93

Fontenot
                                   AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO BA OBP SLG *OPS+
162 Game Avg 366 60 106 26 4 9 53 5 3 44 72 .290 .369 .457 110

With the savings in dumping Guillen’s salary, the $6 million or so for Castillo obviously doesn’t hurt as much. The only question becomes what do you do with Callaspo?

by Sweep_the_Leg on Nov 25, 2008 11:52 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Callaspo becomes the new German

then trade German — he’s a good little utility guy. Callaspo is cheaper

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 25, 2008 2:21 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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