Election Day Open Thread
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 10:33 AM EST
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PrintWe're going to try this. Let's all be polite and respectful of others. Some of us want one candidate to win. Some want another. Some might even want a third guy to win. Whatever. Politics can get emotional. Elections even moreso. Election Day, triply so. So let's avoid any nastiness before, during and after the returns come in.
To spice things up a bit, let's have a prediction contest. No prize or anything, just for bragging rights. [EDIT - I'll send the winner a free Royals Review T-Shirt]
Popular vote margin (such as: Barr +3.8)
Electoral votes of winning candidate
Time that the loser begins his concession speech (be sure to include the time zone you're using)
I'll start things off with mine:
Obama +8.2
353
11:52 EST
One other thing. If you haven't voted yet, GO VOTE!
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Yikes... This should be...
…interesting. I’ll see you all when it’s over.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
Our civility is going to impress and amaze you
Or Will can lock the thread if things get out of hand.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you saying it's too early to gloat?
because I’m already feeling confident
cf. my prediction for Banny on some other thread
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I know how you feel
I see Barr winning in a landslide, much to my chagrin
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It would be historic
American can finally overcome their deep-seated prejudice against mustaches and vote for the first mustached-President in my generation.
JUSTICE FOR FACIAL HAIR NOW!
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I'll go first
Obama +5.8% over McCain
Obama 318 electoral votes McCain 220 electoral votes
McCain concedes at 12:15 am EST (after they wake him up)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
Next
Obama +5.2%
Obama 306 electoral votes
11:29 EST
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
my prediction
Obama +5 points over McCain
338-200 for Obama in the Electoral College
McCain concedes at 11:20 pm EST
All sorts of predictions
Barack Obama 51% John McCain 45%
Barack Obama 352 EVs John McCain 186 EVs
McCain concedes at 10:30 ET
Dems pick up 7 Senate Seats
Dems pick up 20 House Seats
Local stuff for Kansas City:
US House
Nancy Boyda (D) over Lynn Jenkins® (KS-2)
Dennis Moore (D) over Nick Jordan® (KS-3)
Emmanuel Cleaver (D) over Matt Turk® (MO-5)
Sam Graves® over Kay Barnes (D) (MO-6)
US Senate
Pat Roberts® over Jim Slattery (D) (KS)
MO Gov
Jay Nixon (D) over Kenny Hulsof®
MO Lt. Gov
Peter Kinder® over Sam Page (D)
MO AG
Chris Koster (D) over Mike Gibbons®
Prop A (Casino Loss Limit) – Passes
KCMO Light Rail – Passes
JOCO Research Triangle – Passes
JOCO Election of Judges – Fails
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Couldn't that light rail...
…vote have some impact on the ability of KC citizens to attend ballgames? I forget the rail’s proposed track. – TL
Its just a starter line for now
It will run from Vivion Road just north of the river to the River Market through downtown and the P&L/Sprint Center to Crown Center/Union Station to the Plaza, then head east along Brush Creek, terminating at 63rd and Bruce Watkins. Eventually, they want that eastern portion to run all the way to the stadiums, possibly even connecting with a commuter rail line to serve Independence/Lee’s Summmit/Blue Springs.
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I voted no on the Light rail
I think it WOULD be great, but they needa better plan of execution for me to vote on it.
I'm no good at predictions, so I won't try...
However, I’m interested in how everyone’s voting experiences went. I was almost looking forward to a large crowd and long wait. Had a couple of books and today’s paper to get me through it. And when I arrive, the line is 20 people deep, max, and the local news is closing up shop. That was at 7 here in Roeland Park, KS, only an hour after it opened. I’m almost disappointed.
How were the lines and general experiences at other voting locations?
I also live in Roeland Park
I don’t expect huge lines here. Obama can’t win, Sen. Roberts can’t lose and the local initiatives aren’t energizing many people.
I’m off to vote now. I’ll let you know how it goes.
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Before 5:00 pm, the lines won't be very long most places
even in battleground states. Most people vote after work. In many states, that leaves a window of only 2-3 hours to vote. So the lines are going to be ungodly long from 5:00 pm on most states.
I have a question. Is there any good reason for elections to be held on a Tuesday? Early voting helps, but if many states are going to have voting on only one day, then why shouldn’t that day be on a weekend?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Ha ha!
You have taxation without representation!!!!
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Or make today a national holiday.
But I agree with you.
by nkkc on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the problem is that some/many don't really want everyone to vote
I think some people feel like only the most intelligent, most energized and most informed should vote. I think some would like to keep it a little difficult for people to vote so that the lumpenproletariat isn’t encouraged to come out in large numbers.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
But we already...
…account for some of that with the electoral college’s ability to suppress the popular vote. Election Day really should be a national holiday. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely
which is a shame. While I wish people voted because they knew the platforms each candidate believed in, who am I to judge why people make the choices they do. It’s their right, which is the point of all of this.
It should be on Tuesday
Because that is the day farmers take their goods to market.
< / stuck in 19th century >
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If I remember right
It was originally set up so that farmers would be able to attend church on Sunday, travel on Monday to the city they voted at, and vote Tuesday.
But I may have mixed that up in the twelve years since I last took American history in high school.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
Can You Imagine
If people had to take 2 days out of their lives to vote now? There’d be maybe 12 votes cast nationwide. I like your signature line. It reminds me of the judge asking the attorney “Are you trying to show your contempt for this court?”, to which the attorney answered “No, your honor, I’m trying to conceal it.”
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions
Go out and VOTE
And get free stuff!
Free chicken sandwich at Chick-Fil-A
Free 12 oz coffee at Starbucks
Free Krispy Kreme star donut
Free scoop of ice cream at Ben and Jerry’s
Free pint at McCoy’s pub in Westport
All if you show an “I voted” sticker (participating locations only)
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I'm looking forward to my...
…free Starbuck’s coffee around 3:45 pm—-a pick-me-up before teaching in the late afternoon. Sigh. – TL
Wow - seriously?
I’m about to gain 5 lbs.
by Royals Nation on Nov 4, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
My predictions
1. Obama in the popular vote by +7.5
2. Electoral College count: 338 Obama, 220 McCain
3. A bitter McCain waits 2 hours longer to give a concession speech than he might’ve, going at 11:30 am rather than 9:30.
Additional forecasts:
1. Rain in Brazil
2. Snow in northen Alaska
3. Party for Obama in Chicago
4. Pitty party at the National Review over Rep. ineptitude.
5. Democrats flagged across the nation for “excessive celebration” penalties—-excepting the Clinton household.
- TL
I'm cheating a bit...
…on my numbers: they’re pretty much straight out of Realclearpolitics.com. I’ve found their site to be quite reliable. – TL
RCP and fivethirtyeight.com
…have probably been the most frequented sites by me for a while.
It also helps that the two sites have a friendly/not-so-friendly rivalry going. :)
we should start one with Royal Corner
I read some of their forums for the first time in the Jacobs aftermath - Good Lord, if it wasn’t for Retro and a couple of others…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
i stopped frequenting that joint
after the dude running the site stole one of my ideas and then cut me out of it. well, he didn’t “steal” one of my ideas so much as take up my idea that I suggested to him, and then cut me out of it
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Stole an idea? Cut you out of it?
You mean an MLB franchise in TB was your idea originally?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
i offered to write a daily recap of the minor league results, which he would then send out to his email list
he loved the idea and then did it himself. this was before he joined scout.com
As for the Tampa Bay idea, that’s why I never go golfing with Selig anymore.
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actually this all sounds catty
he’s a decent guy and writes very well, so more power to him
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More complex and in depth analysis and weighting of poll data
RCP just averages polls without weighting them or critically analyzing them. 538 looks into how accurate polls have been in the past to weight them and give a better, more meaningful snapshot of the present and projection for the election.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Okay...
…Sold. It’s funny that your point addresses my exact question after looking over the constituent polls for the average (i.e. Was Pew most accurate in the past? Gallup?). – TL
I think 538 said that Gallup and Rasmussen have the best national tracking polls.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'd take all those polls with a grain of salt
Anyway, is Nate Silver watcning the voters everyday? I think he needs to regress to the opinions of an old fart political commentator.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Nate Silver lacks grit
And he should go with his “gut” more.
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I only just learned of...
…538 about a week ago. It’s nice that my ignorance proved less harmful in the face of quality competition. – TL
So exactly when am I supposed to set my VCR for?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
I Have A
9-track.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
i have a reel-to-reel 4 track
Don't Stop Believing!
That's what the free Starbucks coffee is for
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
i have to get up at 3:30 a.m. to catch the first poll results...
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As the lone optimistic Republican in the country....
I’m going with Obama +1.7% popular vote
McCain wins election 286
Concession speech starts at 1:45 EST – since the Obama folks will have to rush to write one…
What's old...
…Rush Limbaugh saying these days? I ask in all seriousness. … BTW: One of the reasons I think Obama will make a good president is because I’m willing to bet money that DOES have a concession speech ready. Love ‘em or hate ’em, he’s been prepared for almost everything—-or at least handles the surprises reasonably well (i.e. Wright, Ayers, etc.). – TL
Rush is probably up to about the same stuff
Michael Moore is: self-congratulation, half-truths, preaching to the choir…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
...where the best all you can eat buffets are.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Nov 4, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Just listened to him for a bit on my lunch hour
And Yes I want to burn myself for doing. Thanks Nebraska for not airing any radio at least a smidge to the left. Ugh.
Rush was talking about how the Dems are already stealing the election. Don’t believe anything the Drive by media says. This election will last late into the night. Then he started to talk about how much Obama hates jews and how their reign over the western world is coming to an end and just watch all the mideast countries celebrate.
I will now attempt to destroy my ear drums.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore: my favorite political commentators/figureheads::
Jose Guillen and Mike Jacobs: my favorite DMGM acquisitions
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
If only there was a way
Both could eat the other to death.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My Pick
Obama +7.2
348 EV
Concession speech 12:25 AM EST
After having to wait a while on Penn or Ohio.
Proud father of a budding Royals fan.
people are being obamamistic....
Obama +3.4
296
12:00 just cause.
I refuse to set up a signature....DAMMIT
I just had an Obamasm
I just spewed hope all over the place.
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Wow, my prediction is eerily similar to Pug's
Obama 3.2%
274
I’m guessing 1:05 a.m. EST, unless there’s an option for no concession speech because the Nevada vote count is in question
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I'm Watching Fox
News; it’s funny. I think they’re in the “whistling past the graveyard” mode now. Currently, Black Panthers are trying to intimidate voters. Seriously. Martha MacCallum’s facial expressions are very concerned.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Why I think Obama will do better than his polling averages
Real Clear Politics currently has Obama’s national polling average at 7.6%. Many think he’ll end up doing worse than this in the election. I think he’ll do better for the following reasons.
1. Conservative polling models – Every pollster makes sure that their polling sample fits a model of the electorate based on gender, race, age and other factors (some include party ID). Many pollsters are going by the model of recent elections, or a slight alteration thereof. I think the electorate is going to be significantly different this year. As we saw in the primaries, there will be significantly more young people, African Americans, Latinos and new voters. All of these groups skew heavily towards Obama. The pollsters which used a more aggressive model to figure out this year’s electorate came up with numbers much more in favor of Obama. I think those will end up being more accurate.
2. Cell phone effect - Most pollsters do little or no polling of cell phones. They go strictly by land lines. That cuts out many younger voters who have only a cell phone and no land line. The polls which included cell phones in their calling samples came up with numbers much more in favor of Obama.
3. The Bradley Effect – In more recent elections of an African American vs. a Caucasian, there has been no Bradley Effect. I just don’t think it exists. White voters feel no compulsion to lie and say they are voting for the white candidate. I just don’t think there is one clear “socially acceptable response” to this kind of polling question. McCain will get no Bradley Effect bump.
While it is possible or even likely that a majority of undecideds will break for McCain, #1 and #2 will more than counteract that. So I think Obama will do about a percentage point better than his last polling average. Maybe more.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
Isn't 7 points a pretty big margin anyway?
HW Bush beat Dukakis in a landslide, but the popular vote was only about an 8 point spread. Reagan’s landslide in 1980 was only a 9 point spread.
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True
And candidates with larger pole leads typically see some erosion in the actual vote. So perhaps I’m wrong.
I did leave out one other thing:
4. Superior ground game – Obama has invested a lot more money and effort into the ground game of field offices, paid field staff and get out the vote. McCain has been short on money and has prioritized TV advertising. So I think Obama is going to do a better job getting out the vote.
I really think this will be Obama by 8 or more. We’ll see.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Nov 4, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
There were no panthers at my polling place
I always think things tend more towards center so Obama 311, +4.5%
The concession speech will be at midnight CST
I have to admit
My Royal allegiances have taken a drastic step backward in the last couple months, making way for this current election. What an amazing past few presidential elections we have had. This one, certainly, would take the cake for the most amazing election in my lifetime….well, at least probably for the next several cycles.
Either way, I cast my vote in the most liberal area (arguably) of Kansas City this early afternoon. No lines at all, but plenty of Obama supporters to greet me with fliers, stickers, etc.
I’ve called/texted all of the people in my cell contact list to encourage them to vote. I’ve called everyone, from my liberal friends to conservative friends and family members. I’m really itching to drive over the Obama headquarters right now and drive people to the polls to vote.
This might sound cliche or corny….but today, it finally feels good to be an American, again.
by Royals Nation on Nov 4, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1, Rec'd again
for the self-effacing irony of the last sentence.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
OK, I'll actually make a prediction
Obama – + 7.6% over McCain
Obama – 52.7%
McCain – 45.1%
Third parties – 2.2%
12:15 a.m. CT (1:15 ET) they call it ; McCain concedes at 11:30 a.m. ET (10:30 a.m. CT)
Obama – 338EV
McCain – 200EV
I voted in the early afternoon in Harlem
Small polling place, only 3 machines, short lines. I walked by there just a few minutes ago and the line is well out the door already (it is just after 5:00 here). The handful of volunteers there are going to be really overwhelmed.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
I guess I can't go against Rove
I really thought McCain was going to win until about three days ago, a part of me still does.
Obama +3%
EV- Obama 338-200
Concession- 1:30 AM Eastern
what's the early news?
I’m “working” at a local library, and can’t bring myself to look
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
the first polls don't close for another hour and 45 minutes
…parts of Indiana and Kentucky will close then. Kentucky will go GOP, but there is an outside shot that McConnell will be ousted from his Senate seat. As for Indiana, I wouldn’t read too much into any of the returns coming in until an hour later, when Lake county closes. If the networks call Indiana for McCain before Lake county’s results come in, that will be pretty bad news for Obama.
wow... is it really that close?
Nate Silver, what hath thou wrought?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
My Prediction
Obama +7.3%
Obama 364 Electoral Votes
McCain concedes at 11:36 ET
Gload concedes to Jacobs… in a last minute attempt to keep his spot on the roster
I am very worried that Gload's insinuation
…that Mike Jacobs pals around with Neifi Perez may lead to Gload retaining his roster spot after all.
I heard that DMGM and Trey spent $150,000 on Gload's batting and fielding gloves
to make him look more “starter-ey”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
Was this before or after
Gload said that he could see the visiting dugout from first base and could keep an eye on them in case they reared their heads?
I’m having a ball with these comparisons.
This Is Where
Alaskans can see Russia. It’s a bustling metropolis.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
mine!
mine mine mine mine mine! (Hi, I’m back from hiding in a hole again!)
Obama +4.3
EC- Obama 329-209
Concession- midnight central
I’M SO GIDDY ABOUT THIS AAAAAAH! MY FIRST ELECTION EVER!!!! L2D and I will be dining at Ye Olde Applebee’s and then watching the election coverage from the basement lair. My elementary education social studies professor has offered up .3 extra credit points for every correctly guessed state’s results, so I will be coloring in a state map as I have done for every previous election that I remember!
Couldn’t help myself, I had to show off my voting sticker :)
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
welcome back from the hole
…I wish I got an “I voted” sticker…but I voted by mail instead. le sigh.
Not to sound like an old fogey (since my first election was a whopping four years ago…), but first elections are fun. I felt this great sense of anticipation and importance when I colored in the circle for John Kerry on my first ballot. Then he went and lost. What a jerk.
do not jinx me
or I will shoot you dead.
I’m sure the old ladies at the park thought I was insane because I had no idea what I was doing. But! I was the 442nd person at my precinct to vote, feels pretty cool if you ask me.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I always go vote on Election Day, I’m lucky that my spot is never busy.
Honest to god, I got a little emotional afterwards. This is the greatest country on earth, bar none. We are so, so lucky to have what we have.
I voted for McCain, and I am resigned to a sizable loss, but man is this country great, warts and all.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 4, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
being in a battleground state in 04 (Iowa) was fun
since i had never experienced that before, for good measure, my girlfriend was an ohio voter
but then I moved to DC…
not much going on
there, for sure. I love DC as a city.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 4, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Do You Ever
See Tony Kornheiser? He lives in a mixed neighborhood not far from the White House, if I remember right.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
Ergh
I wasted my vote on Harry Browne, libertarian!!!! My first vote was like my first time at sex. Awkard, I didn’t know what I was doing and I had to ask an elderly volunteer to help me out.
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I'll play
Obama by 7.9%
Vote total will EXCEED 140 Million voters (previous igh turnout was just over 120M in ’04)
Obama 338
McCain 200
Concession speech given a little more than 1 hour affter the polls close in AZ, at 9:20 Central…
Palin announces her candidacy for president in 2012 during the concession speech, or right after if she isn’t present.
I can only hope she wins that nomination
strategically speaking, although for the sake of some of my friends, I hope not
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
true story
I was Sarah Palin for halloween. Accent and all.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions
a vote for Barack Obama
is a vote for terrorism. That’s why I’m voting for the maverick! ;D
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions
I actually confused a few people
even though the entire get up was satirical in nature for me, I did have a few people tell me they were voting for McCain, too, so…
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Right
because I can’t imagine someone trotting out a “I’ve seen the emails from people in the McCain campaign and they’re all a bunch of racists and homophobes” line… that would never work
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
the fact that Obama is going to win
proves that the politics of cool are also still alive and well. “Wow, Obama’s so cool, I’m going to vote for him”.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 4, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions
It has nothing to do with 'cool'
For me. It was a choice made on the issues.
I DO think the “cool” factor DOES apply to the college aged voter, and that has always/will always be the case (which is why Kerry never stood a chance)
My choice was also based on
The fact that the Republican party is LOST right now. They are torn between their roots (which I LARGLY agree with), and the religious right. Too many of their decisions are made soley on hanging on to that religious part of the population.
Until they get their own candidate with energy like Obama energized the Democratic party, it will stay that way, and Sarah Palin is NOT that candidate, she is the epitome of what is wrong with that party, pandering to the far right, extreme religious side of the party.
heyyyyy
hey now. We college aged voters are able to be informed and vote on the issues. I voted for Obama because of his education, Iraq, and women’s rights planks. Thank you very much.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions
now wait a minute, GoBabies
just how hot are we talking here? Let’s not rush to judgment…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Palin is definitely a Milf (soon to be Gilf), but it’s the rest of her that isn’t presidential…
I'm In A
No-win situation; if McCain loses, she comes back here.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
At Least I
Can say I did not vote for her. Ever. I really thought Tony Knowles (he’s sort of the Bill Clinton of Alaska, a Democrat who wins) would win again. He served 2 terms, then had to sit out a term because of odd term limits we have here.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions
I Had To
Look it up; it was around 48% to 41%. Many who voted for her would not do so again, judging by the zeitgeist up here now.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
Yea
I remember seeing coverage of some Alaskans right after she was named by McCain (granted, on MSNBC) and they HATED her. THey said she was just a wreck, never compromised, was all out for herself, etc…
Judging by the way she ran the campaign her way, I’d tend to agree with their assesment…
Check These Sites
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/
And Halcro’s a Republican!
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
This very biased site has gone from beyond obscure to international literally overnight.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
good news for mccain?
supposedly some poll of early voters shows merely a standard Obama lead… not some much larger one
C'mon
Silver on why exit polls are BS
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
So why isn't she dead yet?
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
because after her campaign commercial mocking McCain...
…she gets a permanent free pass, at least in my book.
Not good enough
indeed, you could make a good argument that cost Obama votes. And you could hardly blame them.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions
I early voted lasted week
But I happen to live next door to a Eagles Lodge that holds voting. Just looked outside and it is easily a 2 hour line. Feel sorry for those guys and gals.
Just got threatened with ticket for having a NObama 08 sign in my backyard
apparently I live to close to a polling station to express my political views. I got a warned of potential voter tampering or something and I had to take my sign down.
If Obama wins I am moving to Dubai but to be fair I would be moving anyway but it is funner to say it that way.
by TXroyal on Nov 4, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
funny stuff
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
I gues that is a state to state law...
At my poling place, the entry driveway was LINED with signs of all races, and their were candidates standing literally outside the doorway (state senate/treasurer type of candidates)
"signs of all races"
Freudian slip?
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
I'm still waiting
For Alec Baldwin to live up to his end of the deal and move to Greenland.
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what?
I miss all the good stuff…
What’s really funny up here is when predictably American ex-pats get Canadian citizenship and then then Conservatives win… I’m always tempted to ask them what their next destination will be…
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
oh I am not, eh!
(no, I’m really not, I just live here)
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I expect
your freedom of speech will be far more respected in Dubai. Really.
Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.
by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 5, 2008 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
Fox Is Funnier
And their graphics are swoopy and have cool sound effects.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
I can't ruin tonight
by watching FIX news. I jusr tried, that little Carl somethingorrather bastard already ruined it for me
Schadenfreude. Brit Hume
Has clearly had it with this bullshit; he’s already said he is leaving.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'm tempted to tune into FOX NEWS tonight
Just for schadenfreude.
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I Have Had
A running gag for the last decade about starting the Nikiski chapter of “Al Sharpton For President”. You must understand there are no black people living out here, and the few that come here are fishing in the summer or working in the oilfield. Thus, knowing my vote for president would be meaningless, I wrote in Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson. I hope it shows up in the reported totals.
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That is still
More support than Lyndon LaRouche gets.
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Not Up Here
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
CNN
Is oulling up county by county votes this year & in ’04…
Consistently, if Bush won by 12, McCain is only up by 5-8 this year. And Obama is up in South bend like 30% over what Bush did…
McCain supposedly
Did not do himself favors by opposing farm subsidies and ethanol. Plus suburban Chicago is in Indiana
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Indiana was always a sleeping swing state
its surrounded by either blue or purple states, other than to the south, although there are some significant demographic differences
but yea…
mccain may hold on there though
Besides Obama
I REALLLY want to see Al Franken win in Minnesota tonight! Not because i particularily agree with his views, but because he wony be afraid to shake things up
He's A Better
Writer than performer.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
He is
Good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him.
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Liked him
before he thought “liked to hear his comedy” meant I would like to hear him talk about anything substantive.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously though
The kentucky race is really close and if Franken does win, that could be very interesting for the senate
McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader
If he gets knocked off, it will be interesting to see what Republican assumes power.
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Whatchoo Talkin' Bout,
Willis?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Did You Watch
The convention?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions
I was going to say
“You mean more than the ones they own”
but I opted against it
(mine too was in jest)
Actually, Thanks In
Large part to Republicans, that is no longer legal.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
very interesting
I’ve got $$ on Brownback of KS being a player (If the republican party decides to continue down the path of pandering to the far right, religious population). Not sure who they’ll turn to if they choose (the smarter) more neutral stance…
Supposedly
He is running for Gov, which will launch him to another Presidential run. Heaven help us.
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It Cracks Me
Up that they make such a big deal about “Red” and “Blue” states. Clearly, there is a huge minority opinion in the most lopsided state voting margins.
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THANK YOU
That always pisses me off. People at like we’re huge monoliths. Every Kansan is a McCain supporter. Well I live in Kansas, and I’m looking down my street and I see nothing but Obama signs.
Even in a blow out, 30-40% of us vote for the loser.
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I Grew Up
In Wyandotte County, which I believe is the only Democratic majority county in Kansas. By the way, can you say “Sibelius”?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I me Sibelius this year
@ a fundraiser at Johnson County Comm. Coll. It was really kind of cool, I’d never seen a politician give a speech in person. It was impressive, because it wasn’t a large event, there were like 100 people there, so you know she couldn’t have devoted too much time to it, and she had a flawless 15 miutes speech.
Or that two of our four US Reps are Dems
Although that could change tonight (I have a sinking feeling Dennis Moore is going down, he ran a terrible campaign)
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Yea
KS is definitely turning (gradually) a lighter shade of blue. Having a D in the Gov mansion is an obvious sign of that
particularly hilarious given the meaning of "red" in not-so-recent American history
of course, we all know that was mindless paranoia. Unless you read any historians who specialize in the archives…
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
If you are watching CNN
The map that the McCain camp is showing to their supporters has NOTHING colored blue yet. The only states that they have announced as being ‘called’ to the crowd are red.
Whereas the Obama Rally is showing live feeds of CNN, you know, an accurate depiction of what is happening.
THAT is the difference right now in the 2 parties/candidates.
I see noting wrong with what McCain is doing.
If the map starts to look all blue it will discourage people around there from voting because they might think the election went one way or the other. I don’t understand how they call them anyways with only 30% in and one person up by like 5%.
Go McCain
Jimmy Sturr Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Good fishing there?
I was down @ Lake Fork for the Skeeter owners tourney in June. I want to move to TX just for the fishing!!! We caught 20+ 5-7# fish in 4 days
I'm one of the few kids at Baylor that support Obama
My Obama shirt got me more than a couple dirty looks today. I guess that’s what I get for going to a Baptist school. At least you don’t have to worry about Texas not being in the bag for McCain
Have You Seen
“Letter From Waco”? It’s a documentary, but I was riveted. It’s a former resident coming back and noticing all the bizarre aspects of Waco he took for granted growing up there.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206885/
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions
Here's A Link
To the trailer:
http://www.realfilms.org/oldfilms/0504.html
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
I always find the the side that projects the most objective view reality
tends to be the side I support. Funny how that works out.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions
An Objective View
Of reality is almost entirely subjective.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
Hume Is Down
To laughing incoherently while reporting the “good news for Obama”.
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It is going to be VERY Important
For whichever candidate that loses to reassure the general population in their consolation speech. Especially if McCain is the on that gives a concession speech.
His campaign was very devisive on all fronts. His base is absolutely terrified of Obama. Either they think he is a Socialist, a terrorist, going to raise their taxes, gas the jews, or any number of other things that his campaign (directly or indirectly) has thrown at Obama over the last 6 months +.
Obama also ran a tough campaign, but he was attacking McCains policies, not his motives as the McCain camp did, so Obama wouldn’t have to be so ‘forgiving’ should he lose, but it would still be important for him to assure the general population that McCain isn’t the devil.
If McCain DOES NOT take some role of reassurance it will be tragic for the country. Whether you agree with his politics or not is irrevelent, the country needs to be reassured that Obama is an AMERICAN. He is a PATRIOT. AHe isn’t going to run a dictatorship, or piss on the constitution (as the current republican president did).
as of last week 30 % of Texans STILL thought that Obama was a Muslim!!!!!!!!! (I trust that TXRoyal wasn’t one of them). That is the sort of devisiveness that McCain is, in my opinion, COMPELLED to try to eleviate to a degree at the outset. I’m not saying that McCain need to hold his hand for an extended period of time, but it needs to be adressed at some point IMO…
It doesn't need to be extended at all...
Something like…
McCain – “My friends. Over the last 6 months, Senator Obama and I engaged in a spirited and sometimes bitter campaign because we both felt like our plan for the next 4 years of this country were best. While I may not agree with his politics, I can assure you, my fellow Americans, Barack Obama has the best intentions towards the United States, and ask those of you that voted for me to give him a chance to lead this country in the direction that was voted on.”
Would it completely crazy
If Obama appointed McCain to be a part of his campaign?
Just like West Wing, which this election has copied quite a bit from (young, unknown racial minority Democrat defeats much older moderate Republican who appoints an evangelical as his running mate)
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Part of his campaign?
Part of his cabinet I meant. Secretary of Being Old or something like that.
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I think it is...
POSSIBLE, but unlikely.
I would expect Obama to reach across the aisle in some way. The Senator from Nebraska (Bayh or something like that I think) that he was considering for VP would be a distinct possibility…
Chuck Hagel
I think is a strong possibility for Sec of Defense. His wife openly endorsed Obama, and he wouldn’t publicly endorse either but I would guess he voted Obama, he has been awfully complimentary of Obama.
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Evan Bayh
Is what name I had in my head, but Hagel is correct, and yes, I think he would make a GREAT SECDEF
Bayh is a D senator from Indiana
Secretary in Charge of Partying Down
Coreeeyyy!
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions
Candidates always sound the best giving concessions speeches
John Kerry actually sounded like a real boy in 2004.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions
And they get funnier too
Al Gore and Bob Dole both seemed like much more likeable guys after losing. McCain actually showed a sense of humor last week on SNL, but that may have been him coming to terms with losing.
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McCain and Dole actually share a lot of similarities... some more positive than others
I never got the impression Dole was al that excited about running for president. More like one last hurrah.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
My Dislike Of
Dole is personal; he mis-represented the facts about a friend of mine’s father (Bill Roy) to keep his Senate seat in ’76.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Finally... someone with a good reason to dislike a candidate
Hey, I know “they all do it,” but it’s different when it’s someone you have a personal connection with on the receiving end, so that’s one of the few pieces of “anger” in these discussions that doesn’t make me roll my eyes
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
I can agree with that sentiment...
I bartended during the ’04 election. A guy that was a regular served in ’Nam with Kerry. He FUCKING HATED John Kerry,and would go on & on about how he wronged a bunch of his comrades during & after the war…
that's no fun to hear
just thought Kerry didn’t do right by his former fellow soldiers?
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Bill Roy!
I’ve met his son, the one that heads the JoCo Dem Party. Good man.
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I Went To
School with his daughter; she was very smart and funny as hell.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
Hume Sounded Like
He was announcing the death of a statesman when he called Ohio for Obama. No Republican president has ever lost Ohio.
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This Just In
Chris Matthews is a blithering idiot. I Have MSNBC on downstairs and Fox upstairs. It’s 20F outside, I’m wearing shorts and Adidas and starting a fire in the grill on my porch for my election night T-Bone and steamed cauliflower, so I’m up and down the stairs frequently.
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Did you know
There are rumors he may run for Senate in PA? Ugh!
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Which Party?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
He hasn't said
But I think it has become pretty obvious over his coverage of the campaign that he leans to the left.
That being said, BEFORE the campaign, I really couldn’t tell which side he was on. He stayed pretty objective…
Yea, Dems
He worked for Dem Lion Tip O’Neill. He’d be a moderate though, and old school Dem type who hopefully will get thumped in the primaries.
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I'm An Old-School
Democrat. The current base of my party doesn’t want to hear what I have to say very much. At this point I’m more anti-Republican.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well I meant
He’d get thumped because he’s stupid, not because he’s an old school Dem. There are lots of old school Dems in the rust belt.
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Unions NOW!
(NOW=1931)
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think he is stupid
But i think he is bad on TV. He comes across waaaay too much like he is winging it all the time.
No, He's Stupid
Olbermann can barely tolerate him.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
I can
agree to disagree on this…
BTW, did you see Ben Affleck doing Olberman on SNL? Best SNL Sketch in YEARS (that didnt involve Sarah palin),
hmmm...
don’t watch much TV “news,” so I don’t know much about Matthews. Heard he’s an ass from a journalist friend.
HOWEVER… Olbermann is also a pompous jackass who has now displayed his ignorance of both sports and politics… tough call: stupid blowhard versus pompous, Rebecca Lobo-stalking jackass
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
I want to know
Which way did Battle Creek, WY vote? Royals or Mariners?
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Teal and blue baby.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Nov 5, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
CNN on the McCain HQ
“Supporters are intentionally not being told the results of Ohio.”
Yea, that pretty much sums up today’s GOP.
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Exactly
I posted this about an hour or so ago…If you are watching CNN
The map that the McCain camp is showing to their supporters has NOTHING colored blue yet. The only states that they have announced as being ‘called’ to the crowd are red.
Whereas the Obama Rally is showing live feeds of CNN, you know, an accurate depiction of what is happening.
THAT is the difference right now in the 2 parties/candidates.
one is winning, one is losing?
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
that's a progressive thought!
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 5, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Harold Ford Jr.
Is talking on MSNBC right now, he is the next big star of the Democratic party, you heard it here first…I saw him on Bill Maher last season, that guy is WICKED SMAHT
yup, because being smart = big future in politics
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Exceptions prove the rule!
Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, all also smart… President Peirce, also smart (set stage for War between the States)…
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
who's that?
the guy who scored higher than John Kerry on all the comparable standardized tests they took in the military?
Obama’s is “smart.” For better or worse, however, that has little (at most) to do with his apparent victory tonight. Nominating “smart guys” and/or thinking that is a prime ingredient to being a good president in this day and age is a nice thought, but reveals the (sadly unsurprising) naivety, ignorance of managerial state and place of the president within it, and contradictory self-righteousness of so many of my peers.
If I was say, one of Sarah Palin’s fan, I might say that such a person is a “retard.” But I’m not a fan of hers, and find such language offensive.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
you
are portraying the role of victim now? Saying you are offended, when 90% of your posts have been sarcastic or condescending (as 90% of all your posts are).
Really?
I apologize for my condescending tone
that’s fair enough
“A splinter in the eye is the best magnifying glass.”
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
That's alright...
maybe go back and read my post more objectively later, though. I’m not saying it’s naive to want a smart president, everyone does. Thinking that it’s essential is, unfortunatley, a bit naive, I think. Thinking it makes a good candidate is more than a bit naive.
I guess I should be more straightforward about “retard”: let’s just say I’m not offended on behalf of your target…
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'm mixed on him
His family is a scandal plagued political machine and he’s very much a moderate, abandoning the Dems at key times. We’ll see, he certainly is smart.
I think Montana Gov Brian Schweitzer is the next star of the Dem Party. His DNC speech was awesome. Wouldn’t be surprised if he replaces Biden as the VP nominee in 2012.
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If Biden survives that long
or manages to last that long without swiping a speech last minute off the internet
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Can you imagine
Being an African Amerian of 60 years of age or more and seeing an African American elected president!?!?!?!?!?! They would have gon from seeing race riots, seperate drinking fountains and everything else, to this. The sense of joy/disbelief must be overwhelming.
Truly amazing, and a testiment to America.
Hope for the mustache-wearing masses
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Me too!
I donated to Obamas campaign when they announced that 5 people would be randomly selected to fly to Chicago, go backstage & be front row in grant Park tonight.
tonight's hookup just texted him and let him know she got held up in traffic
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I wish it was just a joke
JJ was my favorite when I was a kid. My parents always voted for him. Watching him turn out to be another flim-flam man was a real “welcome to the world, son” moment for me
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
Free At Last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111
OK, not really, but one step closer. If we can at least marginalize racial hatred, black, brown, yellow, red and white (did I leave anyone out?), it will go a long way toward letting us get along with the business of business in the U.S.. We can still be a great and respected country. Let’s get together in that big middle ground and set about repairing the damage of the last 40 years.
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Amen
I think this marks a beginning of the decline of identity politics. Hopefully we can stop being African-Americans, Latino Americans, conservative Americans and just be Americans.
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a grand dream
I’ve been holding the cold water bucket too long, I won’t use it tonight
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I Have A
Bucket of cold water that towers to the heavens; I’d just like to believe this world is not as hopeless as it appears. Thank you for indulging me.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
I am happy to report
that I was wrong about my predictions for how this whole thing would turn out a year or two ago. I really wanted Edwards just because I thought he was the most ‘electable." I actually “liked” Obama the most between him, Edwards, and Hilary, although I was (and still am) disturbed by the blatant way in which some people explain their voting for him. I simply didn’t think he could win. I’m glad I was (really, really) wrong about that.
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by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted Edwards initially
As well, but once Obama started to make speeches, my opinion started to turn. Him having more than his politics in common w/ Bill Clinton made Obama an easier choice for sure
Obama And Clinton
Are both very polished politicians and great public speakers. It’s a hard combination to beat.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
McCain Is Making
The best speech of his life, as per form.
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McCains Speech
His crowd booing at the mere mention of the name Obama, and he raises his hands to ward it off.
he is doing what I thought he needed to do & is giving a really good speech.
He looks like he is about to cry.
Great speech. Absolutely great speech. Exactly what he needed to do as a patriot!
I've Always Liked
McCain, I just don’t trust the Republican party he had to appease to get the nomination.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'd hazard a guess
That is McCains campaign had been run with the same tone as this speech, he would have won
Cf. Kerry, 2004
Presidential Campaigns: Setting the Right Tone::Dayton Moore: We Have to Increase Our OBP
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Nov 4, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
also cf. Bush Sr., 1992 (seems like a million years ago, doesn't it?)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG