Election Day Open Thread
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 10:33 AM EST
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We're going to try this. Let's all be polite and respectful of others. Some of us want one candidate to win. Some want another. Some might even want a third guy to win. Whatever. Politics can get emotional. Elections even moreso. Election Day, triply so. So let's avoid any nastiness before, during and after the returns come in.
To spice things up a bit, let's have a prediction contest. No prize or anything, just for bragging rights. [EDIT - I'll send the winner a free Royals Review T-Shirt]
Popular vote margin (such as: Barr +3.8)
Electoral votes of winning candidate
Time that the loser begins his concession speech (be sure to include the time zone you're using)
I'll start things off with mine:
Obama +8.2
353
11:52 EST
One other thing. If you haven't voted yet, GO VOTE!
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Yikes... This should be...
…interesting. I’ll see you all when it’s over.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Our civility is going to impress and amaze you
Or Will can lock the thread if things get out of hand.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you saying it's too early to gloat?
because I’m already feeling confident
cf. my prediction for Banny on some other thread
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know how you feel
I see Barr winning in a landslide, much to my chagrin
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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be historic
American can finally overcome their deep-seated prejudice against mustaches and vote for the first mustached-President in my generation.
JUSTICE FOR FACIAL HAIR NOW!
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go first
Obama +5.8% over McCain
Obama 318 electoral votes McCain 220 electoral votes
McCain concedes at 12:15 am EST (after they wake him up)
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Nov 4, 2008 10:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Next
Obama +5.2%
Obama 306 electoral votes
11:29 EST
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Obama 7% over McCain
41% over Nader
320 electoral votes
10 a.m.est
by bearcatcardfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
my prediction
Obama +5 points over McCain
338-200 for Obama in the Electoral College
McCain concedes at 11:20 pm EST
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
All sorts of predictions
Barack Obama 51% John McCain 45%
Barack Obama 352 EVs John McCain 186 EVs
McCain concedes at 10:30 ET
Dems pick up 7 Senate Seats
Dems pick up 20 House Seats
Local stuff for Kansas City:
US House
Nancy Boyda (D) over Lynn Jenkins® (KS-2)
Dennis Moore (D) over Nick Jordan® (KS-3)
Emmanuel Cleaver (D) over Matt Turk® (MO-5)
Sam Graves® over Kay Barnes (D) (MO-6)
US Senate
Pat Roberts® over Jim Slattery (D) (KS)
MO Gov
Jay Nixon (D) over Kenny Hulsof®
MO Lt. Gov
Peter Kinder® over Sam Page (D)
MO AG
Chris Koster (D) over Mike Gibbons®
Prop A (Casino Loss Limit) – Passes
KCMO Light Rail – Passes
JOCO Research Triangle – Passes
JOCO Election of Judges – Fails
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't that light rail...
…vote have some impact on the ability of KC citizens to attend ballgames? I forget the rail’s proposed track. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its just a starter line for now
It will run from Vivion Road just north of the river to the River Market through downtown and the P&L/Sprint Center to Crown Center/Union Station to the Plaza, then head east along Brush Creek, terminating at 63rd and Bruce Watkins. Eventually, they want that eastern portion to run all the way to the stadiums, possibly even connecting with a commuter rail line to serve Independence/Lee’s Summmit/Blue Springs.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I voted no on the Light rail
I think it WOULD be great, but they needa better plan of execution for me to vote on it.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm no good at predictions, so I won't try...
However, I’m interested in how everyone’s voting experiences went. I was almost looking forward to a large crowd and long wait. Had a couple of books and today’s paper to get me through it. And when I arrive, the line is 20 people deep, max, and the local news is closing up shop. That was at 7 here in Roeland Park, KS, only an hour after it opened. I’m almost disappointed.
How were the lines and general experiences at other voting locations?
by nkkc on Nov 4, 2008 11:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I also live in Roeland Park
I don’t expect huge lines here. Obama can’t win, Sen. Roberts can’t lose and the local initiatives aren’t energizing many people.
I’m off to vote now. I’ll let you know how it goes.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No lines at all
It was a breeze.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Before 5:00 pm, the lines won't be very long most places
even in battleground states. Most people vote after work. In many states, that leaves a window of only 2-3 hours to vote. So the lines are going to be ungodly long from 5:00 pm on most states.
I have a question. Is there any good reason for elections to be held on a Tuesday? Early voting helps, but if many states are going to have voting on only one day, then why shouldn’t that day be on a weekend?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lines were extremely long here in DC this morning
why, I don’t really know
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha!
You have taxation without representation!!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or make today a national holiday.
But I agree with you.
by nkkc on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the problem is that some/many don't really want everyone to vote
I think some people feel like only the most intelligent, most energized and most informed should vote. I think some would like to keep it a little difficult for people to vote so that the lumpenproletariat isn’t encouraged to come out in large numbers.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But we already...
…account for some of that with the electoral college’s ability to suppress the popular vote. Election Day really should be a national holiday. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree completely
which is a shame. While I wish people voted because they knew the platforms each candidate believed in, who am I to judge why people make the choices they do. It’s their right, which is the point of all of this.
by nkkc on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It should be on Tuesday
Because that is the day farmers take their goods to market.
< / stuck in 19th century >
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I remember right
It was originally set up so that farmers would be able to attend church on Sunday, travel on Monday to the city they voted at, and vote Tuesday.
But I may have mixed that up in the twelve years since I last took American history in high school.
"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry
by kishi on Nov 5, 2008 2:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can You Imagine
If people had to take 2 days out of their lives to vote now? There’d be maybe 12 votes cast nationwide. I like your signature line. It reminds me of the judge asking the attorney “Are you trying to show your contempt for this court?”, to which the attorney answered “No, your honor, I’m trying to conceal it.”
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go out and VOTE
And get free stuff!
Free chicken sandwich at Chick-Fil-A
Free 12 oz coffee at Starbucks
Free Krispy Kreme star donut
Free scoop of ice cream at Ben and Jerry’s
Free pint at McCoy’s pub in Westport
All if you show an “I voted” sticker (participating locations only)
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking forward to my...
…free Starbuck’s coffee around 3:45 pm—-a pick-me-up before teaching in the late afternoon. Sigh. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow - seriously?
I’m about to gain 5 lbs.
by Royals Nation on Nov 4, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My predictions
1. Obama in the popular vote by +7.5
2. Electoral College count: 338 Obama, 220 McCain
3. A bitter McCain waits 2 hours longer to give a concession speech than he might’ve, going at 11:30 am rather than 9:30.
Additional forecasts:
1. Rain in Brazil
2. Snow in northen Alaska
3. Party for Obama in Chicago
4. Pitty party at the National Review over Rep. ineptitude.
5. Democrats flagged across the nation for “excessive celebration” penalties—-excepting the Clinton household.
- TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm cheating a bit...
…on my numbers: they’re pretty much straight out of Realclearpolitics.com. I’ve found their site to be quite reliable. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RCP and fivethirtyeight.com
…have probably been the most frequented sites by me for a while.
It also helps that the two sites have a friendly/not-so-friendly rivalry going. :)
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we should start one with Royal Corner
I read some of their forums for the first time in the Jacobs aftermath - Good Lord, if it wasn’t for Retro and a couple of others…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i stopped frequenting that joint
after the dude running the site stole one of my ideas and then cut me out of it. well, he didn’t “steal” one of my ideas so much as take up my idea that I suggested to him, and then cut me out of it
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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stole an idea? Cut you out of it?
You mean an MLB franchise in TB was your idea originally?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i offered to write a daily recap of the minor league results, which he would then send out to his email list
he loved the idea and then did it himself. this was before he joined scout.com
As for the Tampa Bay idea, that’s why I never go golfing with Selig anymore.
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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
actually this all sounds catty
he’s a decent guy and writes very well, so more power to him
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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any particular...
…reason why? Just curious. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More complex and in depth analysis and weighting of poll data
RCP just averages polls without weighting them or critically analyzing them. 538 looks into how accurate polls have been in the past to weight them and give a better, more meaningful snapshot of the present and projection for the election.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay...
…Sold. It’s funny that your point addresses my exact question after looking over the constituent polls for the average (i.e. Was Pew most accurate in the past? Gallup?). – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think 538 said that Gallup and Rasmussen have the best national tracking polls.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take all those polls with a grain of salt
Anyway, is Nate Silver watcning the voters everyday? I think he needs to regress to the opinions of an old fart political commentator.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Silver lacks grit
And he should go with his “gut” more.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for Joe Morgan's political polling website
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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I only just learned of...
…538 about a week ago. It’s nice that my ignorance proved less harmful in the face of quality competition. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On McCain's speech, I meant...
…11:30 pm rather than 9:30. – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So exactly when am I supposed to set my VCR for?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what's a VCR?
i kid.
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Nov 4, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Have A
9-track.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have a reel-to-reel 4 track
Don't Stop Believing!
by KC Chris on Nov 4, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i wish i wasn't living in eastern time tonight...
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's what the free Starbucks coffee is for
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i have to get up at 3:30 a.m. to catch the first poll results...
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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obama +8.8%
you heard it here first
senate 58/42, franken losing by a hair
by ZeppelinDZ on Nov 4, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As the lone optimistic Republican in the country....
I’m going with Obama +1.7% popular vote
McCain wins election 286
Concession speech starts at 1:45 EST – since the Obama folks will have to rush to write one…
by Cleveland on Nov 4, 2008 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What's old...
…Rush Limbaugh saying these days? I ask in all seriousness. … BTW: One of the reasons I think Obama will make a good president is because I’m willing to bet money that DOES have a concession speech ready. Love ‘em or hate ’em, he’s been prepared for almost everything—-or at least handles the surprises reasonably well (i.e. Wright, Ayers, etc.). – TL
by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rush is probably up to about the same stuff
Michael Moore is: self-congratulation, half-truths, preaching to the choir…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...where the best all you can eat buffets are.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Nov 4, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just listened to him for a bit on my lunch hour
And Yes I want to burn myself for doing. Thanks Nebraska for not airing any radio at least a smidge to the left. Ugh.
Rush was talking about how the Dems are already stealing the election. Don’t believe anything the Drive by media says. This election will last late into the night. Then he started to talk about how much Obama hates jews and how their reign over the western world is coming to an end and just watch all the mideast countries celebrate.
I will now attempt to destroy my ear drums.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Nov 4, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore: my favorite political commentators/figureheads::
Jose Guillen and Mike Jacobs: my favorite DMGM acquisitions
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If only there was a way
Both could eat the other to death.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
My Pick
Obama +7.2
348 EV
Concession speech 12:25 AM EST
After having to wait a while on Penn or Ohio.
Proud father of a budding Royals fan.
by Skirra on Nov 4, 2008 12:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
people are being obamamistic....
Obama +3.4
296
12:00 just cause.
I refuse to set up a signature....DAMMIT
by RoyalPug on Nov 4, 2008 12:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just had an Obamasm
I just spewed hope all over the place.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, my prediction is eerily similar to Pug's
Obama 3.2%
274
I’m guessing 1:05 a.m. EST, unless there’s an option for no concession speech because the Nevada vote count is in question
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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Obama 6.5%
338-200 electoral votes
12:30 am EST
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Nov 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm Watching Fox
News; it’s funny. I think they’re in the “whistling past the graveyard” mode now. Currently, Black Panthers are trying to intimidate voters. Seriously. Martha MacCallum’s facial expressions are very concerned.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why I think Obama will do better than his polling averages
Real Clear Politics currently has Obama’s national polling average at 7.6%. Many think he’ll end up doing worse than this in the election. I think he’ll do better for the following reasons.
1. Conservative polling models – Every pollster makes sure that their polling sample fits a model of the electorate based on gender, race, age and other factors (some include party ID). Many pollsters are going by the model of recent elections, or a slight alteration thereof. I think the electorate is going to be significantly different this year. As we saw in the primaries, there will be significantly more young people, African Americans, Latinos and new voters. All of these groups skew heavily towards Obama. The pollsters which used a more aggressive model to figure out this year’s electorate came up with numbers much more in favor of Obama. I think those will end up being more accurate.
2. Cell phone effect - Most pollsters do little or no polling of cell phones. They go strictly by land lines. That cuts out many younger voters who have only a cell phone and no land line. The polls which included cell phones in their calling samples came up with numbers much more in favor of Obama.
3. The Bradley Effect – In more recent elections of an African American vs. a Caucasian, there has been no Bradley Effect. I just don’t think it exists. White voters feel no compulsion to lie and say they are voting for the white candidate. I just don’t think there is one clear “socially acceptable response” to this kind of polling question. McCain will get no Bradley Effect bump.
While it is possible or even likely that a majority of undecideds will break for McCain, #1 and #2 will more than counteract that. So I think Obama will do about a percentage point better than his last polling average. Maybe more.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Isn't 7 points a pretty big margin anyway?
HW Bush beat Dukakis in a landslide, but the popular vote was only about an 8 point spread. Reagan’s landslide in 1980 was only a 9 point spread.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
And candidates with larger pole leads typically see some erosion in the actual vote. So perhaps I’m wrong.
I did leave out one other thing:
4. Superior ground game – Obama has invested a lot more money and effort into the ground game of field offices, paid field staff and get out the vote. McCain has been short on money and has prioritized TV advertising. So I think Obama is going to do a better job getting out the vote.
I really think this will be Obama by 8 or more. We’ll see.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obama +8.5%
Obama 390 Electoral votes
McCain concession at 11:40 p.m. EST
With so many Obama guesses, the lone McCain guess is the equivalent of the $1 The Price Is Right bid. So did we all over bid?
by AxDxMx on Nov 4, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There were no panthers at my polling place
I always think things tend more towards center so Obama 311, +4.5%
The concession speech will be at midnight CST
by KHAZAD on Nov 4, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Make it 12:15
I am on my way to Chick fila
by KHAZAD on Nov 4, 2008 3:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to admit
My Royal allegiances have taken a drastic step backward in the last couple months, making way for this current election. What an amazing past few presidential elections we have had. This one, certainly, would take the cake for the most amazing election in my lifetime….well, at least probably for the next several cycles.
Either way, I cast my vote in the most liberal area (arguably) of Kansas City this early afternoon. No lines at all, but plenty of Obama supporters to greet me with fliers, stickers, etc.
I’ve called/texted all of the people in my cell contact list to encourage them to vote. I’ve called everyone, from my liberal friends to conservative friends and family members. I’m really itching to drive over the Obama headquarters right now and drive people to the polls to vote.
This might sound cliche or corny….but today, it finally feels good to be an American, again.
by Royals Nation on Nov 4, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
+1, Rec'd again
for the self-effacing irony of the last sentence.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK, I'll actually make a prediction
Obama – + 7.6% over McCain
Obama – 52.7%
McCain – 45.1%
Third parties – 2.2%
12:15 a.m. CT (1:15 ET) they call it ; McCain concedes at 11:30 a.m. ET (10:30 a.m. CT)
Obama – 338EV
McCain – 200EV
by Royals Nation on Nov 4, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I voted in the early afternoon in Harlem
Small polling place, only 3 machines, short lines. I walked by there just a few minutes ago and the line is well out the door already (it is just after 5:00 here). The handful of volunteers there are going to be really overwhelmed.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I guess I can't go against Rove
I really thought McCain was going to win until about three days ago, a part of me still does.
Obama +3%
EV- Obama 338-200
Concession- 1:30 AM Eastern
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what's the early news?
I’m “working” at a local library, and can’t bring myself to look
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the first polls don't close for another hour and 45 minutes
…parts of Indiana and Kentucky will close then. Kentucky will go GOP, but there is an outside shot that McConnell will be ousted from his Senate seat. As for Indiana, I wouldn’t read too much into any of the returns coming in until an hour later, when Lake county closes. If the networks call Indiana for McCain before Lake county’s results come in, that will be pretty bad news for Obama.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
make that 45 minutes, not an hour and 45 minutes
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow... is it really that close?
Nate Silver, what hath thou wrought?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Prediction
Obama +7.3%
Obama 364 Electoral Votes
McCain concedes at 11:36 ET
Gload concedes to Jacobs… in a last minute attempt to keep his spot on the roster
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am very worried that Gload's insinuation
…that Mike Jacobs pals around with Neifi Perez may lead to Gload retaining his roster spot after all.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I heard that DMGM and Trey spent $150,000 on Gload's batting and fielding gloves
to make him look more “starter-ey”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was this before or after
Gload said that he could see the visiting dugout from first base and could keep an eye on them in case they reared their heads?
I’m having a ball with these comparisons.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 5:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This Is Where
Alaskans can see Russia. It’s a bustling metropolis.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mine!
mine mine mine mine mine! (Hi, I’m back from hiding in a hole again!)
Obama +4.3
EC- Obama 329-209
Concession- midnight central
I’M SO GIDDY ABOUT THIS AAAAAAH! MY FIRST ELECTION EVER!!!! L2D and I will be dining at Ye Olde Applebee’s and then watching the election coverage from the basement lair. My elementary education social studies professor has offered up .3 extra credit points for every correctly guessed state’s results, so I will be coloring in a state map as I have done for every previous election that I remember!
Couldn’t help myself, I had to show off my voting sticker :)
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
welcome back from the hole
…I wish I got an “I voted” sticker…but I voted by mail instead. le sigh.
Not to sound like an old fogey (since my first election was a whopping four years ago…), but first elections are fun. I felt this great sense of anticipation and importance when I colored in the circle for John Kerry on my first ballot. Then he went and lost. What a jerk.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do not jinx me
or I will shoot you dead.
I’m sure the old ladies at the park thought I was insane because I had no idea what I was doing. But! I was the 442nd person at my precinct to vote, feels pretty cool if you ask me.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no jinxing trying to happen here
Promise.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I always go vote on Election Day, I’m lucky that my spot is never busy.
Honest to god, I got a little emotional afterwards. This is the greatest country on earth, bar none. We are so, so lucky to have what we have.
I voted for McCain, and I am resigned to a sizable loss, but man is this country great, warts and all.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 4, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
being in a battleground state in 04 (Iowa) was fun
since i had never experienced that before, for good measure, my girlfriend was an ohio voter
but then I moved to DC…
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not much going on
there, for sure. I love DC as a city.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 4, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do You Ever
See Tony Kornheiser? He lives in a mixed neighborhood not far from the White House, if I remember right.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ergh
I wasted my vote on Harry Browne, libertarian!!!! My first vote was like my first time at sex. Awkard, I didn’t know what I was doing and I had to ask an elderly volunteer to help me out.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You
had to ask an elderly volunteer to hel you with your first sexual experience?
Kinky
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll play
Obama by 7.9%
Vote total will EXCEED 140 Million voters (previous igh turnout was just over 120M in ’04)
Obama 338
McCain 200
Concession speech given a little more than 1 hour affter the polls close in AZ, at 9:20 Central…
Palin announces her candidacy for president in 2012 during the concession speech, or right after if she isn’t present.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can only hope she wins that nomination
strategically speaking, although for the sake of some of my friends, I hope not
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
now thats funny.
Just because a chick is hot does not a president make
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
true story
I was Sarah Palin for halloween. Accent and all.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a vote for Barack Obama
is a vote for terrorism. That’s why I’m voting for the maverick! ;D
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
The politics of fear do still work apparently
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 5:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually confused a few people
even though the entire get up was satirical in nature for me, I did have a few people tell me they were voting for McCain, too, so…
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
because I can’t imagine someone trotting out a “I’ve seen the emails from people in the McCain campaign and they’re all a bunch of racists and homophobes” line… that would never work
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the fact that Obama is going to win
proves that the politics of cool are also still alive and well. “Wow, Obama’s so cool, I’m going to vote for him”.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Nov 4, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It has nothing to do with 'cool'
For me. It was a choice made on the issues.
I DO think the “cool” factor DOES apply to the college aged voter, and that has always/will always be the case (which is why Kerry never stood a chance)
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My choice was also based on
The fact that the Republican party is LOST right now. They are torn between their roots (which I LARGLY agree with), and the religious right. Too many of their decisions are made soley on hanging on to that religious part of the population.
Until they get their own candidate with energy like Obama energized the Democratic party, it will stay that way, and Sarah Palin is NOT that candidate, she is the epitome of what is wrong with that party, pandering to the far right, extreme religious side of the party.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heyyyyy
hey now. We college aged voters are able to be informed and vote on the issues. I voted for Obama because of his education, Iraq, and women’s rights planks. Thank you very much.
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
now wait a minute, GoBabies
just how hot are we talking here? Let’s not rush to judgment…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Palin is definitely a Milf (soon to be Gilf), but it’s the rest of her that isn’t presidential…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm In A
No-win situation; if McCain loses, she comes back here.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At Least I
Can say I did not vote for her. Ever. I really thought Tony Knowles (he’s sort of the Bill Clinton of Alaska, a Democrat who wins) would win again. He served 2 terms, then had to sit out a term because of odd term limits we have here.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What were her margins of victory? Did she win in a landslide in the past? And when is her term up?
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Had To
Look it up; it was around 48% to 41%. Many who voted for her would not do so again, judging by the zeitgeist up here now.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
I remember seeing coverage of some Alaskans right after she was named by McCain (granted, on MSNBC) and they HATED her. THey said she was just a wreck, never compromised, was all out for herself, etc…
Judging by the way she ran the campaign her way, I’d tend to agree with their assesment…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Check These Sites
http://www.andrewhalcro.com/
And Halcro’s a Republican!
http://mudflats.wordpress.com/
This very biased site has gone from beyond obscure to international literally overnight.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
good news for mccain?
supposedly some poll of early voters shows merely a standard Obama lead… not some much larger one
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 5:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
C'mon
Silver on why exit polls are BS
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So why isn't she dead yet?
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 4, 2008 5:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
because after her campaign commercial mocking McCain...
…she gets a permanent free pass, at least in my book.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not good enough
indeed, you could make a good argument that cost Obama votes. And you could hardly blame them.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I early voted lasted week
But I happen to live next door to a Eagles Lodge that holds voting. Just looked outside and it is easily a 2 hour line. Feel sorry for those guys and gals.
by TXroyal on Nov 4, 2008 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just got threatened with ticket for having a NObama 08 sign in my backyard
apparently I live to close to a polling station to express my political views. I got a warned of potential voter tampering or something and I had to take my sign down.
If Obama wins I am moving to Dubai but to be fair I would be moving anyway but it is funner to say it that way.
by TXroyal on Nov 4, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
funny stuff
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I gues that is a state to state law...
At my poling place, the entry driveway was LINED with signs of all races, and their were candidates standing literally outside the doorway (state senate/treasurer type of candidates)
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"signs of all races"
Freudian slip?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm still waiting
For Alec Baldwin to live up to his end of the deal and move to Greenland.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
I miss all the good stuff…
What’s really funny up here is when predictably American ex-pats get Canadian citizenship and then then Conservatives win… I’m always tempted to ask them what their next destination will be…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
what, you're canadian?!
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by marbotty on Nov 5, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh I am not, eh!
(no, I’m really not, I just live here)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
next you're going to say i'm not qatari
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by marbotty on Nov 5, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I expect
your freedom of speech will be far more respected in Dubai. Really.
Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.
by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 5, 2008 1:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fox Is Funnier
And their graphics are swoopy and have cool sound effects.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't ruin tonight
by watching FIX news. I jusr tried, that little Carl somethingorrather bastard already ruined it for me
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schadenfreude. Brit Hume
Has clearly had it with this bullshit; he’s already said he is leaving.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tempted to tune into FOX NEWS tonight
Just for schadenfreude.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Have Had
A running gag for the last decade about starting the Nikiski chapter of “Al Sharpton For President”. You must understand there are no black people living out here, and the few that come here are fishing in the summer or working in the oilfield. Thus, knowing my vote for president would be meaningless, I wrote in Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson. I hope it shows up in the reported totals.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That is still
More support than Lyndon LaRouche gets.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Up Here
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
indiana
bush won it by like 500,000 votes… not sure obama can make up that difference
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 8:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
CNN
Is oulling up county by county votes this year & in ’04…
Consistently, if Bush won by 12, McCain is only up by 5-8 this year. And Obama is up in South bend like 30% over what Bush did…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
st, jo county baby
my former home
58% for Obama… won by Bush in 04
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McCain supposedly
Did not do himself favors by opposing farm subsidies and ethanol. Plus suburban Chicago is in Indiana
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Indiana was always a sleeping swing state
its surrounded by either blue or purple states, other than to the south, although there are some significant demographic differences
but yea…
mccain may hold on there though
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides Obama
I REALLLY want to see Al Franken win in Minnesota tonight! Not because i particularily agree with his views, but because he wony be afraid to shake things up
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He's A Better
Writer than performer.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is
Good enough, smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like him.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Liked him
before he thought “liked to hear his comedy” meant I would like to hear him talk about anything substantive.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously though
The kentucky race is really close and if Franken does win, that could be very interesting for the senate
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
McConnell is the Senate Majority Leader
If he gets knocked off, it will be interesting to see what Republican assumes power.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
D'oh
Senate Minority Leader.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to forget
that Republicans have minorities
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Whatchoo Talkin' Bout,
Willis?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
that was a lame and perhaps slightly offensive attempt at a joke
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did You Watch
The convention?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say
“You mean more than the ones they own”
but I opted against it
(mine too was in jest)
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Thanks In
Large part to Republicans, that is no longer legal.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
very interesting
I’ve got $$ on Brownback of KS being a player (If the republican party decides to continue down the path of pandering to the far right, religious population). Not sure who they’ll turn to if they choose (the smarter) more neutral stance…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly
He is running for Gov, which will launch him to another Presidential run. Heaven help us.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It Cracks Me
Up that they make such a big deal about “Red” and “Blue” states. Clearly, there is a huge minority opinion in the most lopsided state voting margins.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
THANK YOU
That always pisses me off. People at like we’re huge monoliths. Every Kansan is a McCain supporter. Well I live in Kansas, and I’m looking down my street and I see nothing but Obama signs.
Even in a blow out, 30-40% of us vote for the loser.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Grew Up
In Wyandotte County, which I believe is the only Democratic majority county in Kansas. By the way, can you say “Sibelius”?
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I me Sibelius this year
@ a fundraiser at Johnson County Comm. Coll. It was really kind of cool, I’d never seen a politician give a speech in person. It was impressive, because it wasn’t a large event, there were like 100 people there, so you know she couldn’t have devoted too much time to it, and she had a flawless 15 miutes speech.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh “met”, sry, I’m typing on my laptop in the dark, so expect lots of typos from me this eve
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or that two of our four US Reps are Dems
Although that could change tonight (I have a sinking feeling Dennis Moore is going down, he ran a terrible campaign)
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
KS is definitely turning (gradually) a lighter shade of blue. Having a D in the Gov mansion is an obvious sign of that
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
particularly hilarious given the meaning of "red" in not-so-recent American history
of course, we all know that was mindless paranoia. Unless you read any historians who specialize in the archives…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 9:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are watching CNN
The map that the McCain camp is showing to their supporters has NOTHING colored blue yet. The only states that they have announced as being ‘called’ to the crowd are red.
Whereas the Obama Rally is showing live feeds of CNN, you know, an accurate depiction of what is happening.
THAT is the difference right now in the 2 parties/candidates.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I see noting wrong with what McCain is doing.
If the map starts to look all blue it will discourage people around there from voting because they might think the election went one way or the other. I don’t understand how they call them anyways with only 30% in and one person up by like 5%.
Go McCain
by TXroyal on Nov 4, 2008 8:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
where do you live in Texas?
I’m in my last year at Baylor in Waco right now
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New Braunfels
just north of San Antonio
by TXroyal on Nov 4, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jimmy Sturr Country!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 8:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good fishing there?
I was down @ Lake Fork for the Skeeter owners tourney in June. I want to move to TX just for the fishing!!! We caught 20+ 5-7# fish in 4 days
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed the state has so much to offer for the outdoors men type
by TXroyal on Nov 4, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
It was an absolute blast. I really hope to make it down next year too
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm one of the few kids at Baylor that support Obama
My Obama shirt got me more than a couple dirty looks today. I guess that’s what I get for going to a Baptist school. At least you don’t have to worry about Texas not being in the bag for McCain
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Have You Seen
“Letter From Waco”? It’s a documentary, but I was riveted. It’s a former resident coming back and noticing all the bizarre aspects of Waco he took for granted growing up there.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0206885/
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't seen it
but there are certainly plenty of bizarre aspects of this town
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 9:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's not on netflix
i was gonna try and rent it
by KCBear on Nov 4, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's A Link
To the trailer:
http://www.realfilms.org/oldfilms/0504.html
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But
It isn’t ‘voters’ its the people that have gathered at his rally.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I always find the the side that projects the most objective view reality
tends to be the side I support. Funny how that works out.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An Objective View
Of reality is almost entirely subjective.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hume Is Down
To laughing incoherently while reporting the “good news for Obama”.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is going to be VERY Important
For whichever candidate that loses to reassure the general population in their consolation speech. Especially if McCain is the on that gives a concession speech.
His campaign was very devisive on all fronts. His base is absolutely terrified of Obama. Either they think he is a Socialist, a terrorist, going to raise their taxes, gas the jews, or any number of other things that his campaign (directly or indirectly) has thrown at Obama over the last 6 months +.
Obama also ran a tough campaign, but he was attacking McCains policies, not his motives as the McCain camp did, so Obama wouldn’t have to be so ‘forgiving’ should he lose, but it would still be important for him to assure the general population that McCain isn’t the devil.
If McCain DOES NOT take some role of reassurance it will be tragic for the country. Whether you agree with his politics or not is irrevelent, the country needs to be reassured that Obama is an AMERICAN. He is a PATRIOT. AHe isn’t going to run a dictatorship, or piss on the constitution (as the current republican president did).
as of last week 30 % of Texans STILL thought that Obama was a Muslim!!!!!!!!! (I trust that TXRoyal wasn’t one of them). That is the sort of devisiveness that McCain is, in my opinion, COMPELLED to try to eleviate to a degree at the outset. I’m not saying that McCain need to hold his hand for an extended period of time, but it needs to be adressed at some point IMO…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 9:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't need to be extended at all...
Something like…
McCain – “My friends. Over the last 6 months, Senator Obama and I engaged in a spirited and sometimes bitter campaign because we both felt like our plan for the next 4 years of this country were best. While I may not agree with his politics, I can assure you, my fellow Americans, Barack Obama has the best intentions towards the United States, and ask those of you that voted for me to give him a chance to lead this country in the direction that was voted on.”
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would it completely crazy
If Obama appointed McCain to be a part of his campaign?
Just like West Wing, which this election has copied quite a bit from (young, unknown racial minority Democrat defeats much older moderate Republican who appoints an evangelical as his running mate)
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Part of his campaign?
Part of his cabinet I meant. Secretary of Being Old or something like that.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Secretary of Maverick
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is...
POSSIBLE, but unlikely.
I would expect Obama to reach across the aisle in some way. The Senator from Nebraska (Bayh or something like that I think) that he was considering for VP would be a distinct possibility…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck Hagel
I think is a strong possibility for Sec of Defense. His wife openly endorsed Obama, and he wouldn’t publicly endorse either but I would guess he voted Obama, he has been awfully complimentary of Obama.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Evan Bayh
Is what name I had in my head, but Hagel is correct, and yes, I think he would make a GREAT SECDEF
Bayh is a D senator from Indiana
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Secretary in Charge of Partying Down
Coreeeyyy!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Candidates always sound the best giving concessions speeches
John Kerry actually sounded like a real boy in 2004.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And they get funnier too
Al Gore and Bob Dole both seemed like much more likeable guys after losing. McCain actually showed a sense of humor last week on SNL, but that may have been him coming to terms with losing.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McCain and Dole actually share a lot of similarities... some more positive than others
I never got the impression Dole was al that excited about running for president. More like one last hurrah.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Que McCain Viagra ad in 3...2....
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Dislike Of
Dole is personal; he mis-represented the facts about a friend of mine’s father (Bill Roy) to keep his Senate seat in ’76.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Finally... someone with a good reason to dislike a candidate
Hey, I know “they all do it,” but it’s different when it’s someone you have a personal connection with on the receiving end, so that’s one of the few pieces of “anger” in these discussions that doesn’t make me roll my eyes
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree with that sentiment...
I bartended during the ’04 election. A guy that was a regular served in ’Nam with Kerry. He FUCKING HATED John Kerry,and would go on & on about how he wronged a bunch of his comrades during & after the war…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that's no fun to hear
just thought Kerry didn’t do right by his former fellow soldiers?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Roy!
I’ve met his son, the one that heads the JoCo Dem Party. Good man.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Went To
School with his daughter; she was very smart and funny as hell.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hume Sounded Like
He was announcing the death of a statesman when he called Ohio for Obama. No Republican president has ever lost Ohio.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This Just In
Chris Matthews is a blithering idiot. I Have MSNBC on downstairs and Fox upstairs. It’s 20F outside, I’m wearing shorts and Adidas and starting a fire in the grill on my porch for my election night T-Bone and steamed cauliflower, so I’m up and down the stairs frequently.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 9:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Did you know
There are rumors he may run for Senate in PA? Ugh!
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which Party?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hasn't said
But I think it has become pretty obvious over his coverage of the campaign that he leans to the left.
That being said, BEFORE the campaign, I really couldn’t tell which side he was on. He stayed pretty objective…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, Dems
He worked for Dem Lion Tip O’Neill. He’d be a moderate though, and old school Dem type who hopefully will get thumped in the primaries.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm An Old-School
Democrat. The current base of my party doesn’t want to hear what I have to say very much. At this point I’m more anti-Republican.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I meant
He’d get thumped because he’s stupid, not because he’s an old school Dem. There are lots of old school Dems in the rust belt.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unions NOW!
(NOW=1931)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think he is stupid
But i think he is bad on TV. He comes across waaaay too much like he is winging it all the time.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, He's Stupid
Olbermann can barely tolerate him.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can
agree to disagree on this…
BTW, did you see Ben Affleck doing Olberman on SNL? Best SNL Sketch in YEARS (that didnt involve Sarah palin),
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm...
don’t watch much TV “news,” so I don’t know much about Matthews. Heard he’s an ass from a journalist friend.
HOWEVER… Olbermann is also a pompous jackass who has now displayed his ignorance of both sports and politics… tough call: stupid blowhard versus pompous, Rebecca Lobo-stalking jackass
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe i should have volunteered today in VA
instead i just worked on my dissertation
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what percentage of radio affiliate counties are going mccain
gotta be extremely high
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I want to know
Which way did Battle Creek, WY vote? Royals or Mariners?
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teal and blue baby.
Yesterday's Pants
A blog-thingy about the Mariners and stuff.
by BrettJMiller on Nov 5, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CNN on the McCain HQ
“Supporters are intentionally not being told the results of Ohio.”
Yea, that pretty much sums up today’s GOP.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I posted this about an hour or so ago…If you are watching CNN
The map that the McCain camp is showing to their supporters has NOTHING colored blue yet. The only states that they have announced as being ‘called’ to the crowd are red.
Whereas the Obama Rally is showing live feeds of CNN, you know, an accurate depiction of what is happening.
THAT is the difference right now in the 2 parties/candidates.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one is winning, one is losing?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
imagine if ohio flips back along with florida
… I would not want to be in Chicago
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's a progressive thought!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Harold Ford Jr.
Is talking on MSNBC right now, he is the next big star of the Democratic party, you heard it here first…I saw him on Bill Maher last season, that guy is WICKED SMAHT
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yup, because being smart = big future in politics
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by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh I'm sorry
He’s Smart, handsome & cool.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And smart does = something afterall
I mean Obama was #1 in his class @ Harvard law
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exceptions prove the rule!
Kerry, Dukakis, Mondale, all also smart… President Peirce, also smart (set stage for War between the States)…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd prefer voting for a smart guy
as opposed to maintaing a retard in office
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who's that?
the guy who scored higher than John Kerry on all the comparable standardized tests they took in the military?
Obama’s is “smart.” For better or worse, however, that has little (at most) to do with his apparent victory tonight. Nominating “smart guys” and/or thinking that is a prime ingredient to being a good president in this day and age is a nice thought, but reveals the (sadly unsurprising) naivety, ignorance of managerial state and place of the president within it, and contradictory self-righteousness of so many of my peers.
If I was say, one of Sarah Palin’s fan, I might say that such a person is a “retard.” But I’m not a fan of hers, and find such language offensive.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you
are portraying the role of victim now? Saying you are offended, when 90% of your posts have been sarcastic or condescending (as 90% of all your posts are).
Really?
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And
I find it comical that you think it Naive to want a Smart president.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I apologize for my condescending tone
that’s fair enough
“A splinter in the eye is the best magnifying glass.”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Problem
We’ve gone back & forth before, and surely will again
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's alright...
maybe go back and read my post more objectively later, though. I’m not saying it’s naive to want a smart president, everyone does. Thinking that it’s essential is, unfortunatley, a bit naive, I think. Thinking it makes a good candidate is more than a bit naive.
I guess I should be more straightforward about “retard”: let’s just say I’m not offended on behalf of your target…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm mixed on him
His family is a scandal plagued political machine and he’s very much a moderate, abandoning the Dems at key times. We’ll see, he certainly is smart.
I think Montana Gov Brian Schweitzer is the next star of the Dem Party. His DNC speech was awesome. Wouldn’t be surprised if he replaces Biden as the VP nominee in 2012.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't
see his speech, I’ll have to look for it on youtube…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Biden survives that long
or manages to last that long without swiping a speech last minute off the internet
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can you imagine
Being an African Amerian of 60 years of age or more and seeing an African American elected president!?!?!?!?!?! They would have gon from seeing race riots, seperate drinking fountains and everything else, to this. The sense of joy/disbelief must be overwhelming.
Truly amazing, and a testiment to America.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hope for the mustache-wearing masses
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
Wish I was in Grant Park right now.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Me too!
I donated to Obamas campaign when they announced that 5 people would be randomly selected to fly to Chicago, go backstage & be front row in grant Park tonight.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
obama wins
This space intentionally left blank.
by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 11:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Is Jesse Jackson
crying out of joy, or remorse that he wasn’t the 1st?
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
tonight's hookup just texted him and let him know she got held up in traffic
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish it was just a joke
JJ was my favorite when I was a kid. My parents always voted for him. Watching him turn out to be another flim-flam man was a real “welcome to the world, son” moment for me
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Free At Last!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111111111
OK, not really, but one step closer. If we can at least marginalize racial hatred, black, brown, yellow, red and white (did I leave anyone out?), it will go a long way toward letting us get along with the business of business in the U.S.. We can still be a great and respected country. Let’s get together in that big middle ground and set about repairing the damage of the last 40 years.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Amen
I think this marks a beginning of the decline of identity politics. Hopefully we can stop being African-Americans, Latino Americans, conservative Americans and just be Americans.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a grand dream
I’ve been holding the cold water bucket too long, I won’t use it tonight
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Have A
Bucket of cold water that towers to the heavens; I’d just like to believe this world is not as hopeless as it appears. Thank you for indulging me.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am happy to report
that I was wrong about my predictions for how this whole thing would turn out a year or two ago. I really wanted Edwards just because I thought he was the most ‘electable." I actually “liked” Obama the most between him, Edwards, and Hilary, although I was (and still am) disturbed by the blatant way in which some people explain their voting for him. I simply didn’t think he could win. I’m glad I was (really, really) wrong about that.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wanted Edwards initially
As well, but once Obama started to make speeches, my opinion started to turn. Him having more than his politics in common w/ Bill Clinton made Obama an easier choice for sure
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obama And Clinton
Are both very polished politicians and great public speakers. It’s a hard combination to beat.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McCain Is Making
The best speech of his life, as per form.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
McCains Speech
His crowd booing at the mere mention of the name Obama, and he raises his hands to ward it off.
he is doing what I thought he needed to do & is giving a really good speech.
He looks like he is about to cry.
Great speech. Absolutely great speech. Exactly what he needed to do as a patriot!
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“No association has ever meant more to me than that”
Speeking about himself as an American – The use of the word “association” is big, that is the world they used when referenceing Bill Ayers all the time. Obama’s “Associations”
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've Always Liked
McCain, I just don’t trust the Republican party he had to appease to get the nomination.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd hazard a guess
That is McCains campaign had been run with the same tone as this speech, he would have won
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cf. Kerry, 2004
Presidential Campaigns: Setting the Right Tone::Dayton Moore: We Have to Increase Our OBP
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by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also cf. Bush Sr., 1992 (seems like a million years ago, doesn't it?)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't speak on Bush #1
Intelligently, I was too young to recall specifics.
Kerry though, was way tooo nice. That being said, he was a bad candidate. I’ve long said, that if he was the best the Dems had to offer, they didn’t deserve to win.
Revisionist history aside, the majority of the exit polls showed that McCain was too negative, and it swayed votes in Obamas favor.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards would have been a much better choice in 2004
Kerry is a typical “old school” democratic candidate: “elite” liberals voting for someone who made them feel good about themselves, but had no particular appeal to either crossover candidates or ethnic minorities (the Democrats’ version of the Religious Right — i.e., consistent voting base that’s always promised things that are never delivered, but still never clue in that they’re being used, other than staying home when they aren’t happy.) Basically, a tall, gold-digging Dukakis.
Edwards would have had more inroads in the South, better speaker. Very Clinton-esque (in his appeal… turns out in other ways, as well, I guess). Not saying he would have won.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heinz
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yup
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
also an adulterer, I believe
but I’m not clear on the timeline
don’t want to push my outdated “Judeo-Christian” morality on the kids, though. Monogamy is for suckers, I hear.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
technically
he wasn’t (at least not as a matter of public record), but he married Cindy like 6 months after his divorce of the woman that waited for him when he was a POW< but he couldn’t stay w/ her when she was disfigured in a car crash…
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
McCain, that is
Surely someone can look this up… I’m not sure if he was a cheater or not
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Add Dole to the list of politicians who left his first family for a younger, hotter, second wife
I think it’s part of the Republican Party rulebook or something
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Newt Gingrich as well
Rudy Giulani
I think Fred Thompson too.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Aaaah
The party of the Christian Right.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's also a preacher thing, let's be honest
Jimmy Swaggart
Jiim Baker
MJK, Jr.
Jesse Jackson
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now
If Sarah palin leaves Todd for a younger, hotter, woman, we may be onto a serious pattern (and I’d like to be a fly on that wall if you know what I mean wink, wink)
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that would be a step forward for gender equality in this country
Are you moving to Alaska, GB?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's Be Hawt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If she did that
She just might get my vote.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy's Italian, so it's cool
he would totally be a Democrat almost anywhere else in the country
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It Would At
Least have closed the gap. My insane governor made a splash and then sunk him.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
terrible, terrible choice
It’s one thing to try to appeal to the constituencies in your party that don’t like you (religious right, I guess), it’s another to try to get crossover votes (soccer moms!)… but going for both with… that… Makes the Dan Quayle choice seem positively Rommel-esque
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
I think Edwards should have been the choice in ’04, and Mccain should have been the republicans choice in ’00.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edwards (penis issues aside) would have been a much better choice that Biden
Maybe Joe can plagiarize some of Mr. Ed’s speeches.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No
There was nothing McCain could have done to win. He was hit with a freight train.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maddow And Robinson
Are waiting for Matthews to STFU; they’re obviously losing patience.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh dear Xenu
that’s why I can’t watch political stuff on TV…
way to win over the Middle, Obama — show off dumbshit celebrities. Thank the Invasion Force that Gary Sinese is on the other side.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
when i typed it it looked like she was going to speak, it turned out she was singing god bless america (which crosses party lines, as I think Kenny Chesney was at McCains thing)
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, once again, as mad as I get at the Democrats...
the Republicans always seem to “top” them
Paris Hilton was bad enough, but if Carrot Top turns out to be a Democrat…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Hank Williams!
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
great speech by mccain
where was that all campaign?
by royalsreview on Nov 4, 2008 11:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cf. my analogy above
same place Dayton’s newfound love of OBP goes when he acquires position players
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Franken
is virtually tied at this point in Minnesota!!
by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 11:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey all
Often reader, seldom poster. Just checking in on this historic night.
by wetleg on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good Luck With
That. I’m following at least a half a dozen conversations, and I’m mostly lost.
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by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think the Democrats now know how the Republicans felt in 1980
Hope they (I guess I should stop the pretence and just say "we") aren’t as skilled in the art of denial as they were. From the looks of things, I doubt we are.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just wanted to thank the civility of the board
Kudos to all, especially to good natured McCain supporters who had to deal with an overwhelming Obama crowd in this thread. Nice to see some class after a closely-fought election.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Can we get back to listening to me bitch about JoGui and Jacobs now?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I look forward to the uncivility
Of our ROYALS FANS ARE TOO NEGATIVE threads.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Always Look Forward
To the future.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He Is One
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A New Puppy!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
L2sD says
forget a chicken in every pot! A puppy in every home!
Listen to the MUSTN'Ts, child Listen to the DON'Ts Listen to the SHOULDN'Ts, The IMPOSSIBLEs, the WON'Ts Listen to the NEVER HAVEs Then listen close to me-- Anything can happen, child, ANYTHING can be --Shel Silverstein
by loyal2theroyals on Nov 5, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
A friend of mine was in washington about 5 years ago, and was on top of some building that overlooks the “backyard” of the whitehouse. GWB was outside playing with his dog, and when he turned to go inside, he picked a wedgie out of his ass. I tried to get him to contact STeven Colbert or somebody, he probably could have sold it to them for a few thousand bucks. It’s priceless.
The whole time, he’d pan up to the top of the white house every once in a while, and he was being watched very carefully be Secret Service agents on top of the white house.
by GoBabies!! on Nov 5, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Yeah! He's
Gettin’ his preacher on now.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wait, I thought that was a bad thing
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It Works
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Biden's Wife
Looks crazy as a loon. She has that Botox smile
by GoBabies!! on Nov 5, 2008 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
A rich woman who has had Botox? I don't believe it
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Obama Taller
Than McCain? This has been a sure determinant for presedintial elections in my lifetime.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:18 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
What A Fuckup!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Free Masons were angered, took it out on the Republicans this elections
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skull And Bones
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sarah Palin's new paramour
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just reading up on google news... I think the Royals have a new middle infield candidate next season
Mr. McCain also won his party’s nomination improbably after he had, a year ago, appeared doomed when his campaign ran out of money. He persevered through a combination of scrappiness and a field of primary opponents who each had problems with the fractured Republican electorate.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd Trade TPJ
For him straight up, and I’d throw in Smith and Gload.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he and Smith served together in 'Nam
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
POW camp survivor = grit
leaving his wife after she was disfigured in a car accident = you know he’s got the ethical standards for the majors leagues
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What Are These
Ethics of which you speak?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With his age
I would think we would have to outbid the Giants
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 5, 2008 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and Dodgers
it could get uglier than the Taveras bidding war
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
America won tonight
(end of commentary)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 12:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Morning in America!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
who won the prediction?
although i guess we have to wait on the pop total
by royalsreview on Nov 5, 2008 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Who had "Teahen and Butler for Francoeur?"
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
dayton should have traded butler tonight
by royalsreview on Nov 5, 2008 12:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he and Palin met up for one last tryst
it will be the undoing of both…
but, yeah, this is the only night it might have gone under the RR Radar, which we all know concerns him greatly.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
CHANGE WE CAN RIDICULE!
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 5, 2008 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Just Hope
It’s not GMDM.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 12:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It might be hard to pick a winner
No one is going to get all 3 right on. DarthYoshi certainly looks like he might be the best when all is said and done.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've still got an outside chance
of nailing the electoral vote and being pretty close on the other two. I’ll demand a recount over this shirt if i have to!
by KCBear on Nov 5, 2008 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone on FOX NEWS
Looks like they are about ready to commit suicide.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 5, 2008 12:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
not fans of the Jacobs trade either, I assume?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to say I rather enjoy that
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Nov 5, 2008 1:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the % of blondes in the US would drop dramatically if that happened
by royalsreview on Nov 5, 2008 1:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More patheticly narcissistic:
Fox News Tonight, or moveon.org headquarter in 2004?
That’s too close to call. Too much runny eyeshadow at Fox News, too many smelly hippies at moveon.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have cable
But it sounds similar to the reaction of everyone on ABC, NBC, CNN, PBS and CBS after the ’94 Contract with America Republican takeover of Congress. Seriously, Peter Jennings almost cried and Ed Bradley looked like someone shot his dog that night.
Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.
by CentralChamps2009 on Nov 5, 2008 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Bennett was borderline losing it tonight on CNN
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Nov 5, 2008 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
a depressing example
of the “quality” of a philosophy Ph.D.
And before anyone makes a “Texas” comment, you should kmow that Texas’ department has a historically well-founded good reputation in philosophy.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Obama wins
…and NHZ signs with relief. This is shaping up to be a good week.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Nov 5, 2008 1:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
congrats to oklahoma
100% of your counties went to McCain
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/county/#val=RIP00map
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Nov 5, 2008 1:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
That's just sad
It’s on my short list of states in which I would not ever live. Also on the list, Idaho, Utah, Alabama, Mississippi.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 1:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
aren't you originnaly a kansas boy?
is OK that diff?
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by LeoBloom on Nov 5, 2008 1:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's different
It’s not radically different, but I think the differences are important.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 2:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even Though OK
Didn’t enter the union until 1907, I believe it has a firm “southern” identity. Kansas is a northern state in all respects. Hyper-Republican, but northern.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
I grew up in Oklahoma. I’m not surprised by the results, but I have to say, NYRoyal, I’m more disheartened by your comment.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? Why?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind
I’m getting too worked up about everything… Gootz turning into Jacobs, the election… as you can see down below (and pretty much everywhere else this last week or two), true to ex-debater form, I get into the biggest arguments with those I fundamentally agree with. It’s an irrational compulsion.
Long story short: I can live with the fact that you don’t want to live in Oklahoma.
Just as long as the Royals don’t trade Butler for Yuniesky Betancourt (typing “Yuniesky” would kill us all after half a season, anyway). Then I’m coming down to NYC to bludgeon you to death with a copy of Scouts Honor.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Idaho
Is actually kinda cool in a Western sorta way. Salt Lake City is actually more progressive than people give it credit for as well – sure they have their fundamentalist Mormons, but its not all conservatives. And its a very beautiful city.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 5, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
SLC is very beautiful
and it is less conservative than the rest of Utah. I think less than half of the Salt Lake City population is LDS.
And eastern Utah is absolutely gorgeous, with the Wasatch Range making for very nice background scenery, and some of the rock formations near the Wyoming border are very cool. Whenever I made the drive from Kansas City to Portland for the start of the school year, driving through Utah was one of the highlights.
Idaho, on the other hand…not so much. Southern Idaho may be one of the most depressing pieces of real estate in the US. Boise is alright, but I’m otherwise not much of a fan.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 5, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GOP
Also picked up seats in the state legislature and the GOP now controls the state Senate. This is the lone vortex where people think GOP = good.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 5, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
538 appears to have nailed the electoral vote exactly
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Nov 5, 2008 1:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Their final prediction was Obama +6.1
It appears that it is a little below 5 right now (1:39 EST). But it has been crawling up for the past few hours.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The electoral vote seems a little off
It looks like they underestimated the final electoral count a little bit
by KCBear on Nov 5, 2008 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
coverage of the remaining states has completely ended
but i’m still curious to see how MO comes out
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by LeoBloom on Nov 5, 2008 1:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
missouri is now seperated by less than 1000 votes
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by LeoBloom on Nov 5, 2008 2:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who Time magazine's Man of the Year will be?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 2:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
It Can't Be
Me again.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this time it will be your computer monitor
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by marbotty on Nov 5, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Alternative histories
I was just thinking that Al Gore losing the 2000 election was probably the best thing that ever happened to Dems. Without Bush, Obama is not possible, at least not by 2008.
If Gore wins, Lieberman could very well have been the nominee this year. That is a sobering thing to think about.
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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 5, 2008 11:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
If Lieberman were to have been that popular as to be the nominee...
…then I don’t think he would have gotten so thoroughly trounced in the 2004 primaries.
That being said, a Lieberman candidacy could very easily have driven me to vote third-party.
by DarthYoshi on Nov 5, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think many of else realized joe lieberman would turn into Joe Lieberman back then
i certainly didn’t
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by marbotty on Nov 5, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully Reid kicks him out of the Democratic Senate Conference this week
Good riddance, DINO.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 5, 2008 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and i hope reid gets kicked out after him
although with Obama in power now, I guess he doesn’t need to grow a spine as badly
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by marbotty on Nov 5, 2008 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Andy Reid?
I really should keep up on the news better.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 7:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YAY W!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 5, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
The avg. of polls on election day, I believe, was 7.4%. That’s according to RCP, which weighs several day-old polls together. Nate Silver wrote a convincing article almost one week ago which attempted to prove (in my opinion, did prove) that certain polls that took into account cell phone calls yielded a better result for Obama.
Anyway….the difference in popular vote was surprisingly close, in my opinion….especially considering the wide electoral spread. It was roughly 6%, which is about 1.4 off from the RCP total….which is several million votes.
My question is this: Did the Bradley Effect influence this election – at all? I believe there is convincing evidence that it did. We may be united as a nation under our first black* president, but racism is still very much alive in America.
*Not actually “black”….1/2 white, 1/2 black.
by Royals Nation on Nov 6, 2008 11:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't know yet, probably not
I won’t get into this now, after the election. Suffice it to say I was pleased Obama won. Nonetheless, a brief look at recent academic work shows that the Bradley effect, to the extend that it existed (debated), hasn’t since at least the mid-1990s. Rather than post the papers here or get into the transparent motivation behind both liberal and conservative assertions that it does exist, I’ll just link to Nate Silver’s good summary and devastating critique (note: this of from August 2008) of the Persistent Myth of the Bradley Effect.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 7, 2008 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're looking too simplistically at the comparison of the last RCP average to the final popular vote
First, RCP didn’t appropriately weight the different national trackers. They just averaged the ones they chose to include. Second, as Nate Silver at 538 pointed out before the election, front runners with a significant lead typically see their numbers drop some in the general election. That’s why 538’s model/algorithm predicted that the final polls results would lead to a 6.1% margin of victory for Obama. He ended up getting 6.3%. That’s why Silver at 538 said of the election results: “No evidence of a Bradley Effect — none whatsoever.”
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Nov 7, 2008 5:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Back on the same page.... BOOYAH!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Nov 7, 2008 9:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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