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Election Day Open Thread

We're going to try this.  Let's all be polite and respectful of others.  Some of us want one candidate to win.  Some want another.  Some might even want a third guy to win.  Whatever.  Politics can get emotional.  Elections even moreso.  Election Day, triply so.  So let's avoid any nastiness before, during and after the returns come in.  

To spice things up a bit, let's have a prediction contest.  No prize or anything, just for bragging rights. [EDIT - I'll send the winner a free Royals Review T-Shirt]

Popular vote margin (such as: Barr +3.8)

Electoral votes of winning candidate 

Time that the loser begins his concession speech (be sure to include the time zone you're using)

I'll start things off with mine:

Obama +8.2

353

11:52 EST

 

One other thing.  If you haven't voted yet, GO VOTE!

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Yikes... This should be...

…interesting. I’ll see you all when it’s over.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:35 AM EST   0 recs

Are you saying it's too early to gloat?

because I’m already feeling confident

cf. my prediction for Banny on some other thread

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 10:51 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I know how you feel

I see Barr winning in a landslide, much to my chagrin

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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

It would be historic

American can finally overcome their deep-seated prejudice against mustaches and vote for the first mustached-President in my generation.

JUSTICE FOR FACIAL HAIR NOW!

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 1:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'll go first

Obama +5.8% over McCain

Obama 318 electoral votes McCain 220 electoral votes

McCain concedes at 12:15 am EST (after they wake him up)

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Nov 4, 2008 10:38 AM EST   0 recs

Next

Obama +5.2%
Obama 306 electoral votes
11:29 EST

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Nov 4, 2008 10:43 AM EST   0 recs

Obama 7% over McCain
               41% over Nader
                320 electoral votes
                10 a.m.est

by bearcatcardfan on Nov 4, 2008 10:46 AM EST   0 recs

my prediction

Obama +5 points over McCain
338-200 for Obama in the Electoral College
McCain concedes at 11:20 pm EST

by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 AM EST   0 recs

All sorts of predictions

Barack Obama 51% John McCain 45%

Barack Obama 352 EVs John McCain 186 EVs

McCain concedes at 10:30 ET

Dems pick up 7 Senate Seats
Dems pick up 20 House Seats

Local stuff for Kansas City:

US House
Nancy Boyda (D) over Lynn Jenkins® (KS-2)
Dennis Moore (D) over Nick Jordan® (KS-3)
Emmanuel Cleaver (D) over Matt Turk® (MO-5)
Sam Graves® over Kay Barnes (D) (MO-6)

US Senate
Pat Roberts® over Jim Slattery (D) (KS)

MO Gov
Jay Nixon (D) over Kenny Hulsof®

MO Lt. Gov
Peter Kinder® over Sam Page (D)

MO AG
Chris Koster (D) over Mike Gibbons®

Prop A (Casino Loss Limit) – Passes

KCMO Light Rail – Passes

JOCO Research Triangle – Passes

JOCO Election of Judges – Fails

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:14 AM EST   0 recs

Couldn't that light rail...

…vote have some impact on the ability of KC citizens to attend ballgames? I forget the rail’s proposed track. – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Its just a starter line for now

It will run from Vivion Road just north of the river to the River Market through downtown and the P&L/Sprint Center to Crown Center/Union Station to the Plaza, then head east along Brush Creek, terminating at 63rd and Bruce Watkins. Eventually, they want that eastern portion to run all the way to the stadiums, possibly even connecting with a commuter rail line to serve Independence/Lee’s Summmit/Blue Springs.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I voted no on the Light rail

I think it WOULD be great, but they needa better plan of execution for me to vote on it.

by GoBabies!! on Nov 4, 2008 5:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'm no good at predictions, so I won't try...

However, I’m interested in how everyone’s voting experiences went. I was almost looking forward to a large crowd and long wait. Had a couple of books and today’s paper to get me through it. And when I arrive, the line is 20 people deep, max, and the local news is closing up shop. That was at 7 here in Roeland Park, KS, only an hour after it opened. I’m almost disappointed.

How were the lines and general experiences at other voting locations?

by nkkc on Nov 4, 2008 11:15 AM EST   0 recs

I also live in Roeland Park

I don’t expect huge lines here. Obama can’t win, Sen. Roberts can’t lose and the local initiatives aren’t energizing many people.

I’m off to vote now. I’ll let you know how it goes.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

No lines at all

It was a breeze.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Before 5:00 pm, the lines won't be very long most places

even in battleground states. Most people vote after work. In many states, that leaves a window of only 2-3 hours to vote. So the lines are going to be ungodly long from 5:00 pm on most states.

I have a question. Is there any good reason for elections to be held on a Tuesday? Early voting helps, but if many states are going to have voting on only one day, then why shouldn’t that day be on a weekend?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:23 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Ha ha!

You have taxation without representation!!!!

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:55 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

she

begs to differ

(sort of)

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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think the problem is that some/many don't really want everyone to vote

I think some people feel like only the most intelligent, most energized and most informed should vote. I think some would like to keep it a little difficult for people to vote so that the lumpenproletariat isn’t encouraged to come out in large numbers.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I agree completely

which is a shame. While I wish people voted because they knew the platforms each candidate believed in, who am I to judge why people make the choices they do. It’s their right, which is the point of all of this.

by nkkc on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

It should be on Tuesday

Because that is the day farmers take their goods to market.

< / stuck in 19th century >

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:55 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

If I remember right

It was originally set up so that farmers would be able to attend church on Sunday, travel on Monday to the city they voted at, and vote Tuesday.

But I may have mixed that up in the twelve years since I last took American history in high school.

"And a note to self that we must tread carefully if we wish not to give gratuitous offense, and even more carefully if we do wish to give it."
-Stephen Fry

by kishi on Nov 5, 2008 2:02 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Can You Imagine

If people had to take 2 days out of their lives to vote now? There’d be maybe 12 votes cast nationwide. I like your signature line. It reminds me of the judge asking the attorney “Are you trying to show your contempt for this court?”, to which the attorney answered “No, your honor, I’m trying to conceal it.”

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 5, 2008 9:05 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Go out and VOTE

And get free stuff!

Free chicken sandwich at Chick-Fil-A

Free 12 oz coffee at Starbucks

Free Krispy Kreme star donut

Free scoop of ice cream at Ben and Jerry’s

Free pint at McCoy’s pub in Westport

All if you show an “I voted” sticker (participating locations only)

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:17 AM EST   0 recs

I'm looking forward to my...

…free Starbuck’s coffee around 3:45 pm—-a pick-me-up before teaching in the late afternoon. Sigh. – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:19 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

My predictions

1. Obama in the popular vote by +7.5
2. Electoral College count: 338 Obama, 220 McCain
3. A bitter McCain waits 2 hours longer to give a concession speech than he might’ve, going at 11:30 am rather than 9:30.

Additional forecasts:

1. Rain in Brazil
2. Snow in northen Alaska
3. Party for Obama in Chicago
4. Pitty party at the National Review over Rep. ineptitude.
5. Democrats flagged across the nation for “excessive celebration” penalties—-excepting the Clinton household.

- TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:18 AM EST   0 recs

I'm cheating a bit...

…on my numbers: they’re pretty much straight out of Realclearpolitics.com. I’ve found their site to be quite reliable. – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:21 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

RCP and fivethirtyeight.com

…have probably been the most frequented sites by me for a while.

It also helps that the two sites have a friendly/not-so-friendly rivalry going. :)

by DarthYoshi on Nov 4, 2008 11:28 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

we should start one with Royal Corner

I read some of their forums for the first time in the Jacobs aftermath - Good Lord, if it wasn’t for Retro and a couple of others…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

i stopped frequenting that joint

after the dude running the site stole one of my ideas and then cut me out of it. well, he didn’t “steal” one of my ideas so much as take up my idea that I suggested to him, and then cut me out of it

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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:21 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Stole an idea? Cut you out of it?

You mean an MLB franchise in TB was your idea originally?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 1:27 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

i offered to write a daily recap of the minor league results, which he would then send out to his email list

he loved the idea and then did it himself. this was before he joined scout.com

As for the Tampa Bay idea, that’s why I never go golfing with Selig anymore.

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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

actually this all sounds catty

he’s a decent guy and writes very well, so more power to him

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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:35 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Any particular...

…reason why? Just curious. – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

More complex and in depth analysis and weighting of poll data

RCP just averages polls without weighting them or critically analyzing them. 538 looks into how accurate polls have been in the past to weight them and give a better, more meaningful snapshot of the present and projection for the election.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:35 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Okay...

…Sold. It’s funny that your point addresses my exact question after looking over the constituent polls for the average (i.e. Was Pew most accurate in the past? Gallup?). – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:37 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think 538 said that Gallup and Rasmussen have the best national tracking polls.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I'd take all those polls with a grain of salt

Anyway, is Nate Silver watcning the voters everyday? I think he needs to regress to the opinions of an old fart political commentator.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:38 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Nate Silver lacks grit

And he should go with his “gut” more.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 11:56 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I only just learned of...

…538 about a week ago. It’s nice that my ignorance proved less harmful in the face of quality competition. – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

On McCain's speech, I meant...

…11:30 pm rather than 9:30. – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 11:31 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

So exactly when am I supposed to set my VCR for?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 11:32 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

what's a VCR?

i kid.

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Nov 4, 2008 11:59 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I Have A

9-track.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 1:49 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Obama +8.8%

you heard it here first

senate 58/42, franken losing by a hair

by ZeppelinDZ on Nov 4, 2008 11:39 AM EST   0 recs

oh, and

364

midnight even

by ZeppelinDZ on Nov 4, 2008 11:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

As the lone optimistic Republican in the country....

I’m going with Obama +1.7% popular vote
McCain wins election 286
Concession speech starts at 1:45 EST – since the Obama folks will have to rush to write one…

by Cleveland on Nov 4, 2008 12:33 PM EST   0 recs

What's old...

…Rush Limbaugh saying these days? I ask in all seriousness. … BTW: One of the reasons I think Obama will make a good president is because I’m willing to bet money that DOES have a concession speech ready. Love ‘em or hate ’em, he’s been prepared for almost everything—-or at least handles the surprises reasonably well (i.e. Wright, Ayers, etc.). – TL

by timlacy on Nov 4, 2008 12:41 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Rush is probably up to about the same stuff

Michael Moore is: self-congratulation, half-truths, preaching to the choir…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 12:43 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

...where the best all you can eat buffets are.

We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan

by Royal Kingdom on Nov 4, 2008 12:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Just listened to him for a bit on my lunch hour

And Yes I want to burn myself for doing. Thanks Nebraska for not airing any radio at least a smidge to the left. Ugh.

Rush was talking about how the Dems are already stealing the election. Don’t believe anything the Drive by media says. This election will last late into the night. Then he started to talk about how much Obama hates jews and how their reign over the western world is coming to an end and just watch all the mideast countries celebrate.

I will now attempt to destroy my ear drums.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Nov 4, 2008 1:29 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Rush Limbaugh and Michael Moore: my favorite political commentators/figureheads::

Jose Guillen and Mike Jacobs: my favorite DMGM acquisitions

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Nov 4, 2008 1:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

My Pick

Obama +7.2
348 EV
Concession speech 12:25 AM EST
After having to wait a while on Penn or Ohio.

Proud father of a budding Royals fan.

by Skirra on Nov 4, 2008 12:37 PM EST   0 recs

people are being obamamistic....

Obama +3.4
296
12:00 just cause.

I refuse to set up a signature....DAMMIT

by RoyalPug on Nov 4, 2008 12:45 PM EST   0 recs

I just had an Obamasm

I just spewed hope all over the place.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 1:04 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Wow, my prediction is eerily similar to Pug's

Obama 3.2%
274
I’m guessing 1:05 a.m. EST, unless there’s an option for no concession speech because the Nevada vote count is in question

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by marbotty on Nov 4, 2008 1:18 PM EST   0 recs

Obama 6.5%
338-200 electoral votes
12:30 am EST

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Nov 4, 2008 1:33 PM EST   0 recs

tightening

Popular vote margin (such as: Barr +3.8)

Obama +1

Electoral votes of winning candidate

McCain 274

Time that the loser begins his concession speech (be sure to include the time zone you’re using)

Tomorrow at noon

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Nov 4, 2008 1:44 PM EST   0 recs

I'm Watching Fox

News; it’s funny. I think they’re in the “whistling past the graveyard” mode now. Currently, Black Panthers are trying to intimidate voters. Seriously. Martha MacCallum’s facial expressions are very concerned.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Nov 4, 2008 1:56 PM EST   0 recs

Why I think Obama will do better than his polling averages

Real Clear Politics currently has Obama’s national polling average at 7.6%. Many think he’ll end up doing worse than this in the election. I think he’ll do better for the following reasons.

1. Conservative polling models – Every pollster makes sure that their polling sample fits a model of the electorate based on gender, race, age and other factors (some include party ID). Many pollsters are going by the model of recent elections, or a slight alteration thereof. I think the electorate is going to be significantly different this year. As we saw in the primaries, there will be significantly more young people, African Americans, Latinos and new voters. All of these groups skew heavily towards Obama. The pollsters which used a more aggressive model to figure out this year’s electorate came up with numbers much more in favor of Obama. I think those will end up being more accurate.

2. Cell phone effect - Most pollsters do little or no polling of cell phones. They go strictly by land lines. That cuts out many younger voters who have only a cell phone and no land line. The polls which included cell phones in their calling samples came up with numbers much more in favor of Obama.

3. The Bradley Effect – In more recent elections of an African American vs. a Caucasian, there has been no Bradley Effect. I just don’t think it exists. White voters feel no compulsion to lie and say they are voting for the white candidate. I just don’t think there is one clear “socially acceptable response” to this kind of polling question. McCain will get no Bradley Effect bump.

While it is possible or even likely that a majority of undecideds will break for McCain, #1 and #2 will more than counteract that. So I think Obama will do about a percentage point better than his last polling average. Maybe more.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Nov 4, 2008 2:50 PM EST   0 recs

Isn't 7 points a pretty big margin anyway?

HW Bush beat Dukakis in a landslide, but the popular vote was only about an 8 point spread. Reagan’s landslide in 1980 was only a 9 point spread.

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by RoyalsRetro on Nov 4, 2008 3:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs