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Mental Help: More Discussion on Biancalana

I realize that someone created a fanshot on this, but let's go for a longer discussion here---realizing that Royals Review is dominated, in my opinion, by folks who prefer fact-based statistical predictors of future performance.

Should we not take advantage of Biancalana's (latent?) sentiment for KC and bring him on board, ala what we should've done with Bill James when he originally offered his services to the team?  If Biancalana can improve former (head) cases like Davies, maybe he can work with AA and AAA folks?  Perhaps he could improve frustrating talents like TPJr., Shealy, and Buck?  What about Guillen?!  Never mind. Nix that.  I doubt Freud, William James, Pavlov, Skinner, and Gestalt combined into one superhero psychologist could figure out Guillen.)

Still, why not cover all our bases and bring a legit performance enhancer on staff (PES)?  This seems like the perfect move for a franchise trying to maximize existing resources---i.e. invest once more to improve the group rather than trying to repopulate the group with ever-more expensive players.  It would be worth 1 million, I think, to bring on Biancalana for one season. - TL

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Reminds me

Of the head-shrinker Mr. Burns brought in that hypnotized Roger Clemens into thinking he was a chicken. Do you really want Gil Meche to miss a game because he thinks he’s a chicken?

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 1, 2008 10:52 AM EST   0 recs

This is your line, Retro, but I can't help myself

Davies, I thought I told you to shave those sideburns!!!!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 10:58 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well, not necessarily a...

…chicken. But what if Meche could be hypnotized into thinking he has Clemens’ competitive edge? – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 11:20 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

But I did a good job.....a GOOD job

Oh well, it’s not your fault. You did a good job.

by Top Ramen on Dec 1, 2008 12:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

your claim about the dominance of statistical analysis on this site

is overstated by 23.45%

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 10:59 AM EST   0 recs

Good one!

My throwing that in was related, of course, but more to tweak a few noses into conversation. But seriously, what kind of money is within reason to take a gamble on improving a team’s psychological condition? Has James done any analysis of the times teams have brought in Human Performance Enhancers to improve on-the-field play? How many times has it failed, worked, or have the results been inconclusive? Since this is social science, we ought to be able to measure it. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 11:19 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think it would be worth some money to help improve the psychological condition

And I do think Danny Ainge is onto something with his psychological profiling. I just don’t know if Biancalana has any science to what he’s doing or if he’s just selling snake oil here. I highly doubt he’s a licensed psychologist and it sounds like he’s using a few lucky hits in October to make money for himself.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 1, 2008 11:33 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

psychometrics is a real discipline

NHZ should really be chiming in here. The application to sports would be interesting… but a former shortstop should be as much of a psychologist as any coach — that’s something totally different.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 11:41 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't mind

Hiring that lady from “Nanny 911” to deal with Jose Guillen

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 1, 2008 11:46 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

She might work.

Maybe we can Simon Cowell or Dr. Phil him into being a good teammate?! – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 11:55 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

might be cheaper to get Frank Caliendo

I’ve never actually seen his show, and—based on the number of commercials they run—I’m guessing no one else has either. But his Dr. Phil is probably decent enough to pass. Of course, I’m not sure being a jerk is a treatable psychological condition.

by BrRoyal on Dec 1, 2008 12:00 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

DSM X, Sports Psychology Edition

Jerk:

1 Diagnosis: Constantly calls out and blames teammates for poor performance. Refuses to play. Argues with coaches. Expects prima donna salary. Nicknames: Suitcase ______ (for team changes).
2. Treatment: Cover offender’s head in pillow case and surround him with angry teammates with wiffle-ball bats.

- TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 12:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

if only he refused to play...

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 1:51 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Biancalana is not...

…a licensed or educated psychologist. But even if he’s a hybrid coach/frame-of-mind guy and not an APA member, sports is about results, yes? And you know the research on placebos, don’t you? – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 11:54 AM EST to parent up   0 recs

Well why not hire me!

Give me a fake diploma from Upstairs Medical School of Hollywood, and I’ll teach these guys the mental skills they need to succeed in life! I’ll do it for a fraction of the price that Buddy will.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 1, 2008 12:32 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Except that, per the article, Biancalana...

…has a track record of success. Did you read the article? – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 1:57 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Yea I did

And I’m sure I could have some success too if I had a few clients. Even that “Miracle Cures” informercial guy has some success stories.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 1, 2008 3:33 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Anybody remember the movie "The Natural"?

There is a montage after Hobbs first joined the NY Knights in which he’s not playing but has to sit through clubhouse meetings where a sports psychologist/motivational speaker quietly drones in a monotone that “losing is a disease, as contagious as syphilis.” He repeats this in different clubhouse meetings using a different contagious disease every time. That’s what I think of when I hear about sports psychologists and motivators.

In reality, I’m sure these guys, including Buddy, do help some players sometimes. Just as I think all religions help some people sometimes. And various self help books help some people sometimes. I seriously doubt that there is any one person who is the Charlie Lau of sports psychology or motivation. If I were Hillman or Moore, I’d give every player Buddy’s card, tell them what he does in general, and tell them that they can call him up if they feel like it. I think this kind of self help stuff is very individual. I don’t now how good Buddy is, but one size definitely does not fit all.

Long story short, I wouldn’t put him on staff. I think it would be a waste. Make players aware of many people who do Buddy’s kind of work and let them seek out their services if they want to.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 1, 2008 3:54 PM EST   0 recs

Because there is a...

…general stigma in society about seeing psychologist, especially among hyper-masculine sports types, you have to lower barriers. Putting a guy on staff lowers the cost barrier and any organizational barriers. Plus, by putting someone on staff, you’re saying that they’re part of our support team.

Yes, these things are individual. But if even 1/3 of your players use him, and 1/2 of those find success (1/6th), then you’ve improved the team that much.

…How much are wins worth today (averaging every team across baseball’s salaries)? It seems that one win is probably worth 1 million. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 4:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

a win above replacement?

$4.84M or $5.24M, depending on who you ask.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 4:11 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

The Royals

already have a sports psychologist on staff. Are you talking about replacing him?

by kcdc1 on Dec 1, 2008 4:17 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Biancalana would be...

…in addition. Biancalana is not a psychologist, despite my carelessness in terminology 3 posts above.

I’d like to know more about their current psychologist employee—-resume, track record of success, etc.? – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 4:24 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I wouldn't really be surprised at all

If they already had someone on retainer, particularly with Greinke on the roster

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 1, 2008 5:55 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Just want to remind everyone...

…reading that Biancalana is not a psychologist—-licensed or otherwise. I ignored this in my post just following NYRoyal’s. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 4:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

If the Royals have it within their budget to add another staff person...

…I’d add another scout in Latin America or Asia. I’m not saying what Buddy does is useless. It can be helpful sometimes. I just think the nuts and bolts of scouting and other more traditional front office staff is more useful.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 1, 2008 4:33 PM EST   0 recs

... or three Pitch f/x consultants

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 5:02 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Now you're just being ridiculous

As I sit here, I’m debating with myself whether Dayton Moore knows what Pitch f/x is. I’m not sure, but I’d guess that he’s heard of it and knows in general what it is, but has no interest in using the data from it in any way. I wonder what the Royals “stat guy” (probably an outside consultant) is tasked with doing for the Royals front office. All snark aside, I would guess that s/he does some player projections for them, and some number crunching as evidence to use in potential arbitration cases.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 1, 2008 5:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Manny Acta actually mentioned it in some recent interview

although it would be more important for the GM to know about it

I think that Jin Wong is a full-time team employee, and Mats Olkin is (or at least was) an outside consultant, from what little I’ve been able to find.

But, yeah, i think for half of Yabuta’s (just to pick out one guy who seems easilyl replaceable) the Royals could have a very useful stats department.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 6:31 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Clearly some GM’s know a lot about stats, nearly state of the art statistical analysis and things like Pitch f/x data. It saddens me that Dayton Moore almost certainly cannot be counted in that number.

I think that Jin Wong is a full-time team employee, and Mats Olkin is (or at least was) an outside consultant, from what little I’ve been able to find.

I wonder to what degree Wong is actually a stats guy. Or perhaps I should say I wonder what kind of “stats guy” Wong is. According to his bio on the Royals official team site, “[h]e joined the Royals as Scouting Operations Coordinator in 2000, was promoted to Manager-Scouting Operations in 2001, Manager-Baseball Operations in 2002 and Director-Baseball Operations in 2004.” Is a real stats guy actually going to get into an organization through the scouting door? Perhaps. Or perhaps he’s a more traditional, tools-based scouting guy who, at the GM’s behest, has turned his attention to stats. That’s not bad, but it doesn’t sound like a cream of the crop statistical analyst. But I’m just speculating.

“Wong works closely with GM Dayton Moore and Assistant GM Dean Taylor in providing statistical analysis and assisting with contract negotiations, arbitration preparation, player salary information and budgetary procedure.” I may just be cynical here, but that sounds a lot to me like he’s primarily focused on determining how much a player is worth in dollars in the marketplace. In short, it sounds more like market analysis than baseball analysis. I’m more than a little concerned that instead of asking his stats guy, “how good is a .285/.300/.500 first baseman with poor defense,” Moore is asking him, “how much is a ".300 hitter worth on the FA market?”

But, yeah, i think for half of Yabuta’s (just to pick out one guy who seems easilyl replaceable) the Royals could have a very useful stats department.

Oh my god, yes. I’m not sure how much teams spend on this, but I think that for 1/3 of Yabuta’s 2009 salary, the Royals could have one of the best stats departments in baseball. Moore may be the Royals GM for a long time. And he might even have some success. Hell, he could potentially have a lot of success. But the Royals won’t genuinely get with the times and make use of all potential resources until the next guy. And maybe not even then.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 1, 2008 6:44 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Royals Psychologist

First time post… thought I would add to the random collection of knowledge we have. The Royals actually hired a sports psychologist in July, Andrew Jacobs (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/royals/story/721977.html). I finished my PhD in psych about the same time, and spent way too much time trying to learn about him. He has a website that made me cringe (http://www.winnersunlimited.com/index.html). He has done some impressive consulting over the years, but I can’t figure out why based on his background.

If anyone wants a painful post on psychometrics (or the greatness of Sal Fasno) let me know.

by Fasano-Fanatic on Dec 1, 2008 8:47 PM EST   0 recs

I don't know why the Royals would need two psychologists/motivators/whatever
If anyone wants a painful post on psychometrics (or the greatness of Sal Fasno) let me know.

If I may speak for the site for a moment, we always want both.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 1, 2008 9:16 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Sal Fasano is the a poor man's Gregg Zaun

otherwise known as “the catcher version of Matt Stairs” (aka a Gritty White Guy who Somehow Was Underrated)

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 9:38 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Since Sal manages to keep coming back to the majors like Jason Voorhees, I don’t think he’s underrated anymore.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 1, 2008 9:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

it's the mutton chops

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 1, 2008 10:01 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Thanks!

I’m a very regular reader of the KC Star, but I either overlooked or forgot that story. Interesting. But Dr. Jacobs wouldn’t be providing the same service as Biancalana, methinks. Hmm… – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 1, 2008 9:23 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I Advocate Amateur

Electro-shock therapy for the entire Royals’ system. Amateur lobotomies should be the last resort, just before non-tendering.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 1, 2008 9:07 PM EST   0 recs

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