Winter Meetings Day Four Open Thread
by Freneau on Dec 11, 2008 9:00 AM EST
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This horrible Farnsworth contract report bullshit is ruining my Rule 5 Draft excitement
Even a plate of Veal Jersey won’t make me happy now.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
It's ok.
At least we are on the FA market now and not looking for Rule 5 STARTING OFers.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
i'd rather not be on the FA market than spending that scrilla on some tall judo master, home-run giver-upper
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 11, 2008 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Go to hell
YOU still get to enjoy RamRam at $400,000. We have a guy that only scares someone in a basebrawl, and I’m pretty sure Teahen was joking about that anyway.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
I really am going to enjoy RamRam :)
and hey….at least Professor Farnsworth is entertaining!
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
You might want to check the projections on RamRam
They don’t expect a repeat performance in 2009.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
I am aware that they're not as rosy
as Ramirez’s 2008. Reliever projections—most often correctly—don’t match the previous year. Fluky nature of relief pitching and all that. I still expect that Ramirez will be a plus in the pen and give the Sox a bit of a break from the Delcarmen Rollercoaster.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
RamRam is at least above average
And above average is what the projections show for him so far. We’ll see what PECOTA, ZiPS and CHONE have to say.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
Delcarmen’s breaking ball is a doozy, but his fastball location is suspect enough that it’s tough to imagine Ramirez not playing the set-up role better.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
I've said it before, I'll say it again
tRA-based pitching runs above average (unleveraged) had RamRam as the third best reliever in the AL, right behind 2) Papelbon and 1) The Freaking Amazing, Even If You Hate the Yanks, Mariano Rivera.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
Unleveraged, marcels has ramram at about .5 WAR
with setup man leverage, that’s ~ .75 war
This year, though, he was almost 2 WAR w/ leverage. I haven’t figured it with leverage, but his tRA*outs above average was almost as good in 2006. 2007 is part of his history, too, of course, but I don’t think this year was just a fluke (the BABIP numbers certainly don’t suggest it).
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
true. we need someone to be our intimidating, throw-behind Yorvit Torrealba guy
I didn’t know that job was in such high demand to make four-plus million!
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 11, 2008 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Bring Back Quinn
And we could have a MMA franchise (that of course includes Olivo). Hoagie could be the colorful manager.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
If Moore acts fast, he can have Quinn for 3/15
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
just think of the awesome WWE matches we could have!
Get the steel cage match, chairs, etc……Vince McMahon would be proud!
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 11, 2008 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
we could bring back Mike Sweeney for throwback day
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
Yankees and Brewers trade Mike Cameron for Melky Cabrera
Brewers save money and get crap. Yankees spend money and get a good player.
Economic disparity really isn’t a problem anymore is it?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
he's a clubhouse STD
not quite as bad, but still a real pain
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
I don't want to think about how an STD would be distributed around a clubhouse
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
hives!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Those are fake
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions
did he use a Sharpie?
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
At least
he works hard at being a lazy faker
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
A good player in decline
Not sure the Yankees won’t regret this one.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Of course,
I’m not sure that they’ll be burned on it either. It’s not like people think very highly of “Got Melky?” at this point.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Cameron should be much, much better than Melky
I think every projection is going to have Cameron doing much better than Cabrera. They certainly should.
And if you’re a super rich team, the fact that he costs more money is irrelevant.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:18 AM EST up reply actions
I'm sure
But at this point, Cameron’s collapse/attrition rates should be high as well. I wouldn’t call him a plus, necessarily.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
he's getting paid like an average player
I think he’ll come close to that.
If this moves Swisher to right, that’s good. Of course, now they need at 1B.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
What else is new
Good luck in the Teixeira sweepstakes, Yanks. The NATS have apparently made an 8-year, 20 per offer.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Yankees are focused on Burnett
Something like 5/80 offer on the table.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Saw that, yeah.
I wonder if anyone’s quite crazy enough to match.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
Don't Forget The
Limos for the lady.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
theone position at which he wouldn't be an above average player
this remind me soooo much of the time they passed on Beltran
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 AM EST up reply actions
We've got Russ Gload to dangle in front of them....
he’s a native New Yorker….he always hits them well!!!
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 11, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Cameron was above average offensively and defensively last year...
and I believe he only has one year left on his contract. Not sure they’ll regret this one too much.
If he collapses,
then they might. Cameron’s been around for a long time at this point.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
For a 36-year-old playing a premium defensive position?
I don’t think “very unlikely” is the way I’d put it, even if I think Cameron will probably be “fine.” Maybe Cameron will continue to perform reasonably well, but he’s definitely past he peak and he’s never been a great contact hitter to begin with. A slight decline in bat speed could totally nerf his offensive value.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
And no more PEDs!!!!
We saw what that did to Josie.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Oh yes,
that too. Cameron was suspended for violating the PED policy, which you might’ve missed since no one’s really keen to label “nice guys” as PED Villains.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
screw nice
I just wish Hoagie had been half as good as Cameron on the field
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Don't worry!
Kahrl really likes the Royal off-season so far. We’re golden.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
you're kidding, right?
I sure am glad that dumb Billly Beane locked up Mark Ellis for a below-average contract so that the Royals could focus on trying to get Furcal at 4/44!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:34 AM EST up reply actions
Not kidding about Kahrl's take
on the Royals’ off-season, actually.
Kidding, of course, in telling you not to worry. Worry!
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
it didn't have to be this way
Zduioadfanik, or whatever the Mariner’s new guy’s name is, is a lot like more — highly respected player development guy. Scouting guy. Not a stats guy. He’s even older than Moore. Kinda fat in a fun way, too.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Did someone already like the Putz deal?
If not, here it is.
http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081211&content_id=3712527&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
LINK, not like
Being up all night is not good for my brain.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
We chatted about it a bit
Indians got hosed.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:22 AM EST up reply actions
Hosed?
While a lot of warm bodies moved out of town, I’m not sure “hosed” is the word I’d choose. Certainly they didn’t get the best of it though.
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Gutierrez is a plus CFer
And they got back an ok prospect and a below average reliever for him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
True
which makes for kind of a bad fit for a team with Grady Sizemore on it. Though I get your point below—the Indians should’ve got better value in this trade—I think this must signal that they’re planning on another move to to improve production at the other corner outfield slot.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
it's more like the Mariners now seem like the hot shit front office
They got the underrated Endy Chavez as a 4th OF, then Endy, Jr. with a better bat in Fgut, then a bunch of other guys like Heilman.
It’s WAAAAY too early, but with all due respect to doublestix opinion of Valbunea, Zdurnkcksdf may already have passed DMGM on the “F-ing A” transaction monitor.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
In short, the Mariners recognize the value of Gutierrez's defense
(and that is something that is more on the forefront of sabermetric thought)…while the Indians clearly do not.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
yeah
although the Indians may prefer Choo in RF and Sizemore in CF. Not sure what their plan is in left, though.
I think Gutz is the onlly real “guy” they gave up, right? If Valbuena is as good as doublestix says, then this makes a bit more sense for them.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
I don't necessarily have a problem with the trading Gutierrez
But if you do trade him, you have to get his true value back in return and they didn’t.
In the other thread, I wrote about Valbuena. I don’t know his tools, but his minor league stats aren’t impressive. First, he’s a second baseman, not a SS or similar premium position. Second, he doesn’t hit very well. He’d have to be one hell of a defensive SS to be an impressive prospect. Doublestix called him one of the most underrated prospects in baseball. I think there’s a reason he’s not rated very highly and why a smart front office got rid of him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
yea, I don't know much about Valbuena
I just trust doublestix on the minor leaguers ‘cause I don’t follow them that close, especially other teams. But I see your point.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
stopgap
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 15, 2008 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think there is a bit of overreaction going on
I will agree that I think the Farnsworth signing, as reported, is too much to pay. Personally, I would rather try out Rosa.
However, Moore to this point has done well with putting together his bullpens. If this is what it took to get Farnsworth, and DM thinks he’s THE guy, then let’s give Farnsworth a chance to fail before we dump all over it.
One of the problems that the Royals had under Allard Baird was a half-ass approach to building a roster. Too many marginal “name” guys that really weren’t worth much. Sure, the Guillen signing has turned out to not be great (and maybe DM should have seen it coming) but nobody is going to bat 1.000.
I’m not trying to paper over the issue, I feel like we’ve got some $$$ invested in the bullpen that we could have used to sign Furcal, but let’s inject a little moderation with respect to how these moves are portrayed. If DM does something genuinely stupid, like Greinke/Francoeur straight up, then we can revisit. But to expend our vitriol on the signings to date I think is jumping the gun a bit.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 11, 2008 9:21 AM EST reply actions
However, Moore to this point has done well with putting together his bullpens. If this is what it took to get Farnsworth, and DM thinks he’s THE guy, then let’s give Farnsworth a chance to fail before we dump all over it.
I think this contract is more than twice Farnsworth’s market value. Moore gets some benefit of the doubt on relievers, but not this much. To take a pitcher with a poor recent track record and give him this size of contract is a big mistake, period. And a waste of scarce resources.
One of the problems that the Royals had under Allard Baird was a half-ass approach to building a roster.
One of the big problems the Royals had under Allard Baird was spending too much money on sub-mediocre veteran FA’s (Elarton, Redman, Sanders). This contract is very much like theirs. Farnsworth is exactly the kind of marginal “name” guy that Allard picked up and gave too much money to.
This is genuinely stupid. It doesn’t have the impact of a Dye trade, a Guillen signing or a Greinke-Francoeur trade, but that doesn’t man it isn’t very, very stupid. And it also is one of the deals keeping the Royals from getting an impact player like Furcal. That’s pretty damend genuinely stupid.
Listen, I am almost always moderate about Moore. I have given him a lot of benefit of the doubt. I’m not quick to jump on him. I am always very fair to Moore. But in all fairness and honesty, if they really signed Farnsworth to a 2/9.25 contract, this was breathtakingly stupid and incompetent. And I don’t throw those words at Moore lightly.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
"Breathtakingly Stupid and Incompetent"
Overreact much?
No, I don't overreact much
and that is part of the point
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
It really is
Pick up three failed relievers for nothing, throw them in a competition for a bullpen spot, and you won’t have paid anywhere near HALF of Farnsworth’s contract, and the worst case scenario is that you get equal performance to what he did last year.
Is that really an overreaction?
I mean, look at Farnsworth’s numbers the last few years. Tell me how that’s worth a multi-year deal at 4.75 per.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
He has good stuff.
Moore loves stuff and evaluates that more than peformance (see Tomko).
Farnsworth's good stuff wasn't worth 2/$9.25M
He could have had him for less. And if he couldn’t, then he shouldn’t have wasted the money. The mere fact that he has a 95 mph fastball doesn’t mean that any amount of money thrown at him is justified.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
And that didn't turn out very well.
You’re not making much of a counterargument here….are you agreeing with us that it’s a mistake?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
I think he overpaid by a couple of million...
but “breathtakingly stupid” is a bit over the top. 2/7 sounds about right to me. Moore evaluates players as a scout not so much on statistics so I don’t see why it’s so surprising Moore loves this guy. I do find it surprising that people legitimately thought Farnsworth’s market value was $1 million or $1.5 million. That’s crazy to me.
I'm not sure why
it’s crazy to suggest that a homer-prone “set-up man” is worth very little. Farnsworth can’t be trusted in high leverage situations since he gives up the gopherball so often. Is a hard throwing glorified mop-up man only being worth 1 million unreasonable? Seems on target to me. At this stage in Farnsworth’s career, there’s not much reason to expect to improve.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
When that homer prone set up man...
moves to a homerun friendly park and strikes out over a batter an inning and has good stuff then maybe it is a little crazy.
Are we talking about the same guy?
Sure, Farnsworth can miss some bats. But there’s a certain level of gopherballitis that completely negates a relief pitcher’s value.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
We're talking about market value
What do you think the market value of a 30-something middle reliever coming off of two shitty years? Does every reliever coming off two shitting years get two guaranteed years at more than $4M per?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yankee Stadium is far from homerun friendly....
sure there’s a short porch down the line, but the power alleys are ginormous for righties.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 11, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes It Is
It’s there.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Objection
completely irrelevant
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
Its a shrewd move by Dayton
To make the HoRam signing look brilliant in comparison
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Agree that I don't like the signing
and I appreciate your perspective, I don’t think it is that severe, however. Breathtakingly stupid to me is Victor Zambrano for Scott Kazmir, Jermaine Dye for Neifi Perez, $10 m for Eric Gagne, hell even 2/$20 for Kerry Wood.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 11, 2008 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This is breathtakingly stupid, but with a lower impact than those moves
Even moderate sized moves like this one can be breathtakingly stupid and incompetent.
And when you’re trying to clear payroll room to sign an impact player and you do this, well the impact is even more significant.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think
Moore is incompetent? I’m not being combative, I really am asking. I don’t, I think on balance he’s done a pretty good job so far. Maybe a mistake, but not incompetent.
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 11, 2008 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
I think this move was incompetent
The overall picture is more murky. Overall he’s been good on pitchers and bad on position players.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
If Guillen is traded
then we have money for Furcal. 12M – 4.6M = 7.4M
Gullen going was the only way we’d ever get Furcal.
By the way, I’m starting to think that the Royals were putitng out misinformation on how much they were willing to spend to be able to be stealth players in the Furcal sweepstakes. At first, it was “no increase in payroll”. Then it was “we can increase to $70, but we can’t go higher”. And now we’re at around $75? Throw another 10M per year on and let’s go to 85, dump Guillen and were back down to $73.
My 2 cents
I do not like the signing much either but I think it can work out in a few different ways. Farnsworth has closed, so it does give the Royals a back-up closer (if they feel they need such a thing). This will also make moving Soria into the rotation an easier proposition to sell should Hillman be thinking about trying this experiment. I’d like to see Soria given a shot in the rotation a la Gobble in 2006.
Also, as long as Farnsworth pitches well at all he is very tradeable after this year. He could be flipped in 2010 pretty easily if the Royals find themselves looking to dump players that July.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
Unfortunately, those aspects in mitigation are pretty small
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Its early in the morning
But either the Royals just signed a mediocre relief pitcher to an absurd amount of money, or I’m dreaming and I’m about to show up to school naked.
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Also really disappointed
All it took to get the best defensive outfielder in baseball was a reliever and a minor league infielder.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
I look forward to a drunken Kyle Farnswoth
beating the living shit out of me and my friends when we jump on his float at the Plaza during “the” parade
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
they didn't publish pitchers (line)
but Marcels has him as a below replacement level player in both ERA and FIP so…. I’m guesstimating something around $0.0. Maybe as high as $300,000. Seriously, that’s what they would say.
I guess my overall thing, djk, would be that Farns would be an okay sign as a Ho-Ram (part I) -esque reclamation project. But reclamation projects are signed to the league minumum or minor league deals. Maybe if Moore (who has done well in the past) likes his stuff, then MAYBE a $1M deal with incentives (I think that’s too much, still)…
I just don’t get this at all. This is a move that in the best case scenario, might barely pay off. Even if you like Moore’s scouting skills, this still doesn’t make sense in terms of payroll management. Russ Springer at 2/5 would have been pretty silly, but would be smart by comparison.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Oops
I meant that I didn’t do a spreadsheet for pitcher because of the complexities of projecting playing time, especially for relievers. Also, I’d have to choose between FIP and ERA when projecting value, and I’m not sure what is better for gauging market value, which is what the spreadsheet is “testing”
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Signing Farnsy
Reminds me of entry #7 in this list
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Yup
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I was just about to ask about that. What pick do we have?
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
I Hope It's
A sandwich pick. I’m hungry.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I think #11
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Only Veal, Skelton
or that awesome 7-1 Dutch guy can save us now
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Farnsworth Can't Hit,
Either. In his NL years he put up a .074/.121/.093 with a -44 OPS+. That’s how I evaluate AL relievers.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
What about his defense?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe If He
Grew a beard and stood facing CF until he pounded the ball in his glove, then turned and stomped to the rubber, flinging the ball angrily in the general direction of the catcher, he could be an effective MLB reliever. We could call him “The Mad Irishman”. That would at least have some entertainment value.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
I know this has been covered ad nauseum
But I’m just adding a voice to the “You’ve got to me kidding me” camp on the Farnsworth deal.
We gave him HOW much?
I am not exaggerating when I say this, not one bit: I wouldn’t give Farnsworth a one year, $1 million contract. Wouldn’t do it.
I'm about to change my username to DannyDuffyfan
by jackie ballgame on Dec 11, 2008 10:37 AM EST reply actions
+1
Do we have confirmation?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Holy crap was this ever a bad deal!
I'd rather be watching baseball.
by Sisquatch Kids on Dec 11, 2008 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
No confirmation
Just the radio repeating Phillips report
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
So there's still hope that the hothead signed for 2/9 is Milton Bradley?
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
It has been confirmed by the Royals official site
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
I'm going to wake up now, right
sorry, I just can’t get over that this happened
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Rule 5 starts at 11 am CST, Noon EST
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:45 AM EST reply actions
As anyone else read this?
from the story on the Royals website about Farnsworth
Farnsworth has produced a 30-48 record with a 4.47 ERA in 109 seasons,
109 seasons? How old is this guy?
Mike Jacobs you're 2009 AL MVP
Christ almighty, the Royals site confirms the 2 years, $9.25M contract
There are no words.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 AM EST reply actions
Maybe the plan is to have him room with Gload so that Gload retires, thus freeing up that 2.9
then he gets moved to Hoagie’s suite to see which of them cracks first.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder what grade Dayton Moore deserves as a general manager during his tenure with the Royals
C- maybe. No better than that. That might be generous. This offseason has been a failure so far, and there isn’t money left to do much of anything else.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Now THAT, I think, is an overreaction
C- basically means that Moore has been a below average GM for the Royals, which I don’t think is the case at all. Of his two big FA signings, one has worked out quite well (Meche), and one….not so much (Guillen). But Moore has re-stocked our farm system, restored credibility to our pitching staff, committed way more resources to scouting, and has boosted our win totals significantly 2ish years after having to work with giant piles of complete crap when he first took over. He has done a lot of good work, just not all of it has been with the big league club.
Bottom line, I can really only think of four truly boneheaded signings Moore has made—Guillen, Tomko, Yabuta, and Farnsworth (maybe five, if you count the Gload extension, but I maintain the bigger fault is Hillman’s for playing Gload so much). Only the Guillen signing was for a large amount of money. The Yabuta signing was seen by very few as a mistake at the time. If you think that those mistakes, in light of how Moore has revitalized this franchise, warrant a C-, and that a C- might be generous, then you are not being the least bit realistic. Take a step back. Moore makes mistakes, but on the whole, he has been way better for this franchise than not.
by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2008 11:28 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Moore has been good on pitching and bad on position players
And one could argue that he has been so unrelentingly awful with regard to position players (majors and minors) that this tips the balance to below average overall. This offseason is a big data point. And it has been a failure. $13.9M for these three players, including giving up Ramirez and Nunez? That was incompetent.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
That is a really overly simplistic way to view a GM
As to say, “he’s good at pitching, bad at position players.” Keep in mind that the players we were relying on to be the cornerstones of our lineup—Butler, Gordon, Buck, Teahen, et al—were all Baird acquisitions and have, to varying degrees, all been disappointments (and yeah, I know Butler and Gordon will get better, but nonetheless, more was expected of them). Moore was given crap to work with, and he has still managed to do a lot.
But really, and I know you know this, there is way more to a GM’s job than signing FA’s for the big league club. Moore has done so much for our farm system that in the long run, the Royals will be a better franchise for what he has done (PS: how has Moore been “unrelentingly awful” with the position players in our farm system? We didn’t have any good position players in the farm system besides Butler and Gordon when he showed up).
I didn’t like the Jacobs trade, but all it cost us is about 2.5M and an oft-injured middle reliever; in the grand scheme of things, it is fairly minor. I have grown to be optimistic that we will come out ahead on the Crisp deal—again, we simply gave up a reliever whose stock will probably never be higher than it was then, and Crisp + moving DDJ to left should make our OF defense way better, which is no small thing when everyone in our rotation except for Hochevar are flyball pitchers.
I don’t like the Farnsworth signing either, but I say this in the nicest possible way: chill out and put this into some perspective.
by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2008 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That is a really overly simplistic way to view a GM
As to say, "he’s good at pitching, bad at position players."
That is an accurate description of his track record with the Royals.
Moore was given crap to work with, and he has still managed to do a lot.
I give him credit for what HE has done. The moves he’s made and failed to make.
But really, and I know you know this, there is way more to a GM’s job than signing FA’s for the big league club
Yes, many more things. Including trades. And there have been some real stinkers.
Moore has done so much for our farm system that in the long run, the Royals will be a better franchise for what he has done (PS: how has Moore been "unrelentingly awful" with the position players in our farm system? We didn’t have any good position players in the farm system besides Butler and Gordon when he showed up).
Moore has built up the pitching in the farm system very, very well. With the exception of the two first round picks, he’s done absolutely nothing of significance on the position player side.
I didn’t like the Jacobs trade, but all it cost us is about 2.5M and an oft-injured middle reliever; in the grand scheme of things, it is fairly minor.
No, it’s not. Moore has made this the Royals solution to their 1B problem. The solution was to give up a good reliever for a 1B who doesn’t hit very well (decent power for a 1B and horrible OBP) and is awful defensively. He’s saddled the Royals with another Gload-like solution (not as bad as Gload, but another guy who is going to take up space at the position, not be good enough for the position, and make too much money for his subpar production)
I have grown to be optimistic that we will come out ahead on the Crisp deal—again, we simply gave up a reliever whose stock will probably never be higher than it was then, and Crisp + moving DDJ to left should make our OF defense way better, which is no small thing when everyone in our rotation except for Hochevar are flyball pitchers.
I’m pretty neutral on the Crisp deal. I see the positives. But it was stupid to work hard to acquire a CFer when what the Royals needed was a corner OFer.
I don’t like the Farnsworth signing either, but I say this in the nicest possible way: chill out and put this into some perspective.
I really, truly am putting this in perspective.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Moore’s track record has been good on pitchers, bad on position players, but that doesn’t equate into he has done the franchise more harm than good, which is what a C- grade basically means. His whiffs on position players have been outweighed qualitatively by how he has built our pitching staff.
I’m not saying there haven’t been some real stinkers by Moore—indeed, I acknowledge it. But I think you are evaluating his overall tenure in a not very holistic way.
If Moore’s philosophy has been (and I generally think it has), in the draft, to take the best player available, then it makes sense that he grabs pitchers like Melville and Montgomery at the expense of position players. Yes, we are still lopsided towards pitchers, but the last thing I would want is for Moore to start drafting to need to try to correct that imbalance.
I genuinely don’t think Jacobs is seen as the solution to our 1b problems—his defense makes him an occasional 1b at best and a frequent dh. If he means the end of Gload, that is a good thing. + Jacobs – Gload = better Royals. Yes, losing Nunez sucked, because he pitched well when he was healthy, but he never was healthy and pitched in middle relief. That is about as expendable a player as you get. What we lost was relatively minor. I’m still not a fan of the Jacobs trade, but it is a molehill, not a mountain.
Ok, at this point, you’re not even warranting why it is stupid to get a CFer. DDJ is still above average as a LFer, all things considered, and Crisp’s upside isn’t at the plate—it is in the field, and if he is the defender he was in 2007, he’ll save us a lot of runs.
Yeah, we were all hoping for a big FA signing again and an extension for Greinke. I’ll withhold judgment on how Moore does this offseason until we see what happens with Greinke—if nothing happens (no extension, no trade), then yes, the offseason was a failure. But we’ll see what happens. So, again, chill. Chill is good. But that is easy for me to say, I live in, like, the capital of chill.
Yeah, Moore’s track record has been good on pitchers, bad on position players, but that doesn’t equate into he has done the franchise more harm than good, which is what a C- grade basically means.
I would say that a C- grade means a below average GM. And a below average GM does not necessarily mean one who has done more harm than good.
BTW, this “grade” is tentative at best.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:11 PM EST up reply actions
I think it's tougher to hit on position players
Pitchers are easier to project.
Maybe it will just take more time to nail it all down.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
Actually, I think pitchers are much, much harder to project
They have a much higher failure rate than position players.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Farnz is not a good idea… but I agree. Let’s chill out. Hopefully we’ll all be laughing in 2011.
by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, C- might be an overreaction, but
when your previous GM was a clear F+, you’d think C- was an A. Allard gets the + on the F because apparently ownership didn’t give him actual money to work with.
Oh, I don't think Moore deserves an A by any standard
I’d probably give him a B- at most. But on balance, I think he has done more good for the franchise than bad. I think that much is very clear.
I agree
he has done more good than harm, I was just cracking wise.
If Moore somehow signs Furcal, then we will win the division, and he goes to A+.
really?
Furcal would at most give the Royals 3 wins over Callaspo — assuming Callaspo really sucks at a German -like level, and Furcal stays healthy, plays 150 or so games, and does so at the level he played at in 2006.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
Grade inflation
Today a C- is roughly equal to what a D was 15 years ago. Students today think they all start at a B, and as long as they do the minimum their grade should stay there.
I’d give Moore a B old school standard.
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
Let me guess
You went to school 15+ years ago. And let me also guess that you didn’t take engineering classes at Iowa State. Ha
I would love B’s this semester.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Yeah, I'm old.
And no, I didn’t take engineering classes. And I have the paychecks to prove it!
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Of course there are words
“This is the largest contract ever awarded to a middle-reliever who totally sucks.”
Unless Bob McClure can work miracles, I can’t see this being a good thing at all.
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
Now our only hope is that this replacement level pitcher doesn't pass his physical
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions
Anyone got Tonya Harding's phone number?
Maybe she needs to make a quick buck.
I'd rather be watching baseball.
by Sisquatch Kids on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, Only She
Could mastermind a plan of this magnitude.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Calling Tonya Harding!
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Freaky...just freaky!
I'd rather be watching baseball.
by Sisquatch Kids on Dec 11, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
Dayton Moore has spent $13.9M to make this team maybe a win or two better
Development of young players is going to give the Royals a few extra wins. But Moore’s acquisitions have been a horrible value for the money they cost. What an awful waste of money that could have really helped the Royals win more games.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:58 AM EST reply actions
$13 million
Could have landed you Rafael Furcal AND Juan Rivera, or simply Adam Dunn.
I think I’d rather land one big fish, than lots of little fish, especially if the little fish are replacement level
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Well, I don't know if it could get Furcal and Rivera
But it could certainly get you Furcal, or maybe Dunn, or maybe Bradley.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
So much for making room in the payroll for Furcal
what a fucking joke. Maybe the Royals will contend once Moustakas and Hosmer are in their prime.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:00 AM EST reply actions
I think you're taking this a bit too far
You seemed rather mildly optimistic after the Jacobs/Crisp deals. Farnsy doesn’t really change that much. At worst, he’ll suck and we’ll just be out the money. It isn’t like we dealt Billy Butler for Yunieski Betancourt.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You seemed rather mildly optimistic after the Jacobs/Crisp deals.
I thought they made the team a little better and the development of young players would get the Royals to .500. But the succession of bad moves makes it look more and more like Dayton Moore isn’t the kind of guy who helps you get over the big hump which lays between .500 and contention.
Farnsy doesn’t really change that much. At worst, he’ll suck and we’ll just be out the money.
We were in the running for Furcal and reportedly trying to make payroll room to sign him. Now you can forget about that. And there isn’t money left to get any impact players this offseason, so .500 mediocrity is the most we can hope for. And this stupid two-year commitment somewhat hurts our flexibility to sign an impact player next year.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
What's the succession of bad moves since the Coco deal?
Getting Cuevas? HoRam?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
The succession of bad moves this offseason
Jacobs (clearly bad)
Coco (a little bad…overall ok impact, but a wrong headed move to acquire a CFer when we didn’t need one)
Farnsworth
That’s a horrible combination of moves to spend all of the available payroll budget on. And taken as a whole, that’s fucking awful. Making no trades and spending the money on one good player would mean having Furcal, R. Ramirez and Nunez on the same team. That is considerably better, and a little cheaper.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Neither has officially signed yet
Farnsworth has to take a physical and then sign the deal. HoRam hasn’t even been announced yet. So there is room. But with their addition, and a Rule 5 acquisition (if we do it), two will have to come off the 40-man to make room.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:43 AM EST up reply actions
Well that's not really a problem
There are at least a couple guys we could do that to isn’t there? Like TPJ and ROSS GLOAD!! If we trade Guillen for a Turkey sandwich, do we have to put the turkey sandwich on the roster?
If they want to make a pick
they can make the pick, put the player on the 40 man roster, and drop someone like Mario Lisson a few days down the road when HoRam’s deal is finalized. That would let them pick someone without having to worry as much about losing the guy they drop from the 40 man roster.
OK, Now I'm
In the “glass half broken” mode.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions
I'm with you
The really sad part about this for me, is that I was hoping the Royals had a pretty good general manager. Now I’m hoping he’s going to do some things to make me believe he’s average.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
If He Can
Trade Hoagie for a leftover turkey sandwich all will be forgiven.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
And if he can turn water into wine, I'll build an alter to him
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe If It's
A decent dry red.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Done. I'm Getting
My hammer and shopping for supplies right now.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Your analysis is top notch as ever!
Wrong on part one, wrong on part two. Thanks for playing.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
It's All About
The hyperbole!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
He gets an A for hyperbole
I won’t grade the rest.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
That Red "x"
was supposed to have been more !1’s and a 2/9.25.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Today is the 19th anniversary
Of the Royals signing Mark Davis, if that tells you anything.
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Fortunately, There Is
No comparison between Farnsworth’s and Davis’ deals, especially in constant dollars.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
True, but there is a good comparison in the Sullivan, Henry, Elarton, Redman and Sanders deals
That’s a real murderer’s row of awful signings.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
They're almost for the same amount of money in absolute dollars
I believe Davis signed for 3 years $9.25 million, not too far off, although off by one year.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Davis Magically Transported
from 1989 to 2008 would probably get 5/75 from someone.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
Probably more like K-Rod's deal
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
Hyperbole Is The
New market inefficiency!
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
+2
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
I think there must be an error in the text
I’m certain it’s actually a 9 year $9.25m deal.
I agree, he overpaid for Farnsworth...
which to me makes no sense. If you’re going to deal RamRam/Nunez, you gotta know where those arms are going to come from, and you can’t convince me Farnsworth at 4.5M+ was part of that plan. I think he panicked.
The two worst signings of Moore's tenure have both seemed like he panicked
Jose Guillen and Kyle Farnsworth. Neither one had much in the way of suitors, they both fit the hole that had to be filled, and the Royals offer was far above what the market should’ve been for them.
Yea, who else was after Farnsworth?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Haven't heard rumors of anyone else
There was the interview where his agent said he was going to pimp him to the Royals, but didn’t mention any other teams.
good point
make that “had” to be filled, though
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
There isn't 100% confirmation yet I'm holding out hope that it is a club option on the
second year
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
It is on the Royals official team site
That’s 100%
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Wait, I figured it out. It's definitely a typo
Site says 2 years 9.25m, I think it’s actually 20 years 9.25m. They just left off a zero. It’s okay. We’re okay. No need to panic.
Farnsworth is the bane of my existence
I'm about to change my username to DannyDuffyfan
by jackie ballgame on Dec 11, 2008 11:17 AM EST reply actions
Overpaid, sucks, and he's an asshole too!
He’s the complete player. Had to have a pitcher to complement Guillen.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
How many jerks can we have on one team?
This must certainly make us the favorite for Milton Bradley. And I bet we get Elijah Dukes too.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
maybe we can lure Kenny Rogers too...no more milk & cookies!
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 12, 2008 1:41 AM EST up reply actions
Consider
Furcal for $44 million = huge injury risk
Rivera, Dunn, Burrell – horrible defenders on a team that is already bad defensively.
The point is, if we signed Furcal or anyone else we’d all be shitting all over ourselves talking about the negatives of those signings as well.
I agree that we’ve overpaid for Farnsworth, but let’s take a breath and put it in perspective.
Besides, look at the bright side, nobody is going to fuck with this team, they will kick some serious ass!
I hereby resign from this post.
by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 11, 2008 11:18 AM EST reply actions
The point is, if we signed Furcal or anyone else we’d all be shitting all over ourselves talking about the negatives of those signings as well.
No, we wouldn’t be shitting ourselves. We’d be happy about it, but recognizing the risks. The key difference between signing Furcal and acquiring Jacobs/Crisp/Farnsworth is that Furcal has the upside to really help a lot. Those three do not. Their upside is just ok performance.
I agree that we’ve overpaid for Farnsworth, but let’s take a breath and put it in perspective.
I have. The opportunity cost of these three moves is staggering. It’s painful to see what we could have got, and what we got instead, for more money, and that we had to give up talent for some of it.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Anybody gonna ask if we think the Royals are contenders now?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:23 AM EST reply actions
Yes, but only because of Kevin Seitzer
155-7!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
I hope Seitzer can improve Farnsworth's slider
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
McClure Will Turn
Him into a crafty lefry.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
Or Maybe Even
A crafty lefty.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Now that idea I like
Lemons -————- lemonade
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Crafty LeFry
wasn’t she one of Olivia Newton-John’s sidekicks in Grease
I should probably stop commenting, here, since there’s been an overflow
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
Pirates are about to sign
Ramon Vazquez’s mustache to a two year $4 million deal
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Clearly German has some trade value then
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, unless Glass is willing to increase payroll even more (it's up to $75M now)
So forget about Furcal, or Dunn or Bradley or any potential impact FA. It’s over. We chose Farnsworth instead.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
Wouldn't it hinge
by your rational that Farnsworth is costing us Furcal, then wouldn’t it hinge on KC eating $4.25 M?
No
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Farnsworth
I’m not a fan of this deal, but I don’t think it is going to be a factor in us going or not going after a Furcal/Rivera/other FA…..
$9+ M over 2 years is high, and I think it could have been better spent, but it isn’t by any means a crippling deal. i.e. comparing it to 3/36 for Guillen is not valid IMO.
I personally would have preferred Lyon, even at $1-$2M more per year, but I’m not cursing GMDM about this one. He filled a need.
While Farnsworth is hardly a leader in terms of charachter (not that he’s JoGui or anything), he is a frigging COMPETITOR. He’s the kid of guy, like Pierzinski that if you are playing against him, you freaking HATE his guts, but if he is on your team, you have to love his fire.
He's such a competitor
His team last year dumped him in the middle of a pennant race.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
Do you think Moore and Glass are lying about the payroll budget?
I’m not a fan of this deal, but I don’t think it is going to be a factor in us going or not going after a Furcal/Rivera/other FA…..
Moore said his ceiling was $70M and that he has to get Glass’s permission to go over that. With Farnsworth signed, we’re now at $75M. They had an outside chance to trade most of Guillens’ contract away to make room to sign Furcal. Now they’d have to trade all of his contract away. Now that they’ve wasted $4.6M on Farnsworth, where is the money for an impact FA?
While Farnsworth is hardly a leader in terms of charachter (not that he’s JoGui or anything), he is a frigging COMPETITOR.
Oh great. Jose Guillen is also a COMPETITOR. You know what is more important than being a competitor? Being a good baseball player. Guillen and Farnsworth are lacking. But maybe their competitiveness will overcome the fact that they suck.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
You too
You’re out of control!!!!!!!!!!!!111
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a realist
I’m not a negativist, nor a Moore basher. I call it straight. Always have.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I
agree that you believe you call it straight, but you definitely have a more negative view toward the bulk of moves. Your arguments are generally (if not always) sound & based in reality.
I just think this is at worst a ‘meh’ type of deal. Like I said, it’s not going to cost the ability to sign anybody else. And, lets face it, a good deal of yesterdays discussion was about how we SHOULDN’T sign Furcal, and now this deal is, in some peoples mind (not mine) not allowing that to happen.
I just think this is at worst a ‘meh’ type of deal
Wildly overpaying for a bad reliever is not ‘meh’. It is doubly not ‘meh’ when it is two guaranteed years (hurting your ability to sign good players for two years). It is triply not ‘meh’ when it makes certain you can’t sign an impact FA.
Like I said, it’s not going to cost the ability to sign anybody else.
Did you read my post? Are you not familiar with the payroll budget and that we’re over it already by about $5M? Of course this is keeping us from signing a genuinely good FA.
nd, lets face it, a good deal of yesterdays discussion was about how we SHOULDN’T sign Furcal, and now this deal is, in some peoples mind (not mine) not allowing that to happen.
Nope, yesterday’s discussion led to a consensus that we should sign Furcal for the right price. Some thought 3/36 was a smart ceiling. Some thought more like 4/44.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
And the "payroll Budget"
You are referencing is complete speculation.
I don’t give a shit what GMDM has said publicly, we can spend a LOT more than what they have said publicly. Again, estimates from local & National media have placed revenue sharing at OVER $50M for ’08. Glass has a large share in one of the few business in America that is profiting greatly over our current economic crisis. Plus we are opening up a majorly renovated ball park next year and were sold on that as taxpayers with promises of a competitive product.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON that KC can’t have an $80-$90M OR MORE payroll in ’09. NONE. ZERO.
And the “payroll Budget”
You are referencing is complete speculation.
Moore said in the Star that $70M was about the top of the payroll budget. Do you think Moore is just speculating too?
I don’t give a shit what GMDM has said publicly, we can spend a LOT more than what they have said publicly
So you think Glass is wiling to take the payroll up to 85, 90, 95M? What do you base this on? Spoken with him recently? You may want him to spend that much, but thinking he’s willing to do it at this point, especially in this economy is like believing in Santa Claus.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO REASON that KC can’t have an $80-$90M OR MORE payroll in ’09. NONE. ZERO.
Is there “absolutely no reason” to think that Glass doesn’t want to spend that much? In reality, you have no reason to believe he’s willing to kick the payroll that high. You’re living in a dream world.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
He has every ability to do so, and remain in the black as an owner. It sure appears that GMDM is prying some of that cash away from him.
I think just about every team can afford to spend much more on payroll than they do
But they have budgets nonetheless. Owners aren’t willing to just spend every penny of revenues, or even 90, or even 80. So yes, Farnsworth has killed the Royals chance to sign an impact FA, because like every team the Royals have a budget and limited payroll flexibility. This is the real world.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
Rany's recent post...
on the relatively incredible (given overall economic conditions) performance of Wal-Mart stock may have Glass feeling particularly randy, financially-speaking, these days.
Of course, like you said, it’s all speculation until the money is actually spent.,
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2008 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
what?
I know we are going to disagree on this, but Jacobs, no upside? Come on.
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
He's at his peak
He’s likely to have a .300 OBP and a .500ish SLG. Think he’s still improving at his age?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
ops
872 out of florida last year
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
By that small sample of data tells me all I need to know, doesn't it?
If you’re going to use stats, use them right.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Complete list of Rule 5 eligible players
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As long as the Royals sign Teixeira, all will be forgiven
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Not surprisingly
The Farnsy deal is going over well at Royals Corner.
I can’t wait for Rob Neyer to bitch and moan about it.
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What is up with those people?
Who are they? Toolsy prospect junkies?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
Any move is a good move
To them.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
Never Confuse Motion
With progress.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Moore could crap in a bag and sign that bag to a 2 year deal,
and it would go over relatively well over there.
And bag of crap
Would still field better than Mike Jacobs!!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
If We're Lucky
The only thing Jacobs will regularly defend is home plate when he has 2 strikes on him.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
I dont mind it.
Farnsworth isnt worth the money we gave him but
he had a very unlucky bapip and surely his HR rate wont be as high next year in kauffman.
Also I thought we all agreed upon not criticizing moores bullpen consruction CMON NY GET ON TOP OF IT
Werd.
So long as it doesn't keep us from signing Furcal
I’m okay with it. Sure we overpaid, but Farnsworth has a decent chance of being okay.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
What is going to piss me off
is when we don’t sign Furcal, he signs with whoever for 4/44 or something like that, which was over the general consensus that we established in the discussion yesterday, and people say that Farnsworth cost us Furcal…
Farnsworth has cost us any chance of acquiring any impact FA
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not positive about that
I don’t think DM would have signed Farnsy if it jeopardized him going after Furcal. Either he convinced Glass he can go after both, is convinced he can move Guillen, or decided the asking price for Furcal wasn’t worth it.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
Given Moore’s history at building bullpens with cheap options (I think Farnsworth is his biggest contract for a reliever, no?), and his obvious interest in Furcal, I don’t think Dayton would have signed Farnsy if he knew that it meant he would be over-budget for a likely, reasonable contract number for Furcal.
UNLESS…Glass told him that he’d go another $5M per on the budget, and no more, at which point Dayton may have just said screw it, and blew the rest of the wad on Farnsy.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Rany on Farnsy
Kyle Farnsworth: His name has come up several times as someone the Royals are strongly pursuing. I don’t see it. Farnsworth throws really hard, and as a 25-year-old setup man for the Cubs, he struck out 107 batters in 82 innings, with a 2.74 ERA. The problem is, now he’s 32 years old. He signed a three-year deal with the Yankees before the 2006 season, and over the last three years his ERAs are 4.36, 4.80, and 4.48. As much as I appreciate his service on behalf of Yankee-haters everywhere, I’m not sure his mediocrity was intentional, especially since he had a 6.75 ERA last season after the Yankees foisted him on Detroit.
Farnsworth still strikes out about a man an inning, and walks about a man every third inning – that’s something to build on. But he’s way too prone to the long ball. Kauffman Stadium will help some, and maybe Bob McClure will help some, although Farnsworth isn’t exactly famous for his coachability. If the Royals are looking at a 1-year, $2 million deal or something, he’s a nice flyer to take. But he’s coming off a 3-year, $17 million contract, and is probably looking for something comparable. The danger is that the Royals pay a 32-year-old pitcher based on his potential, not on his reality.</em<
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If the Royals are looking at a 1-year, $2 million deal or something, he’s a nice flyer to take.
Yup. $2.5M is a stretch. $3.5M is a big, big stretch. $4.5M is an awful deal. Two years guaranteed at that amount is an atrocity.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
OK.....
we know how you feel about the deal. No need to beat a dead horse.
by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
If other people talk about it, can I respond?
Or am I not supposed to speak?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like Rany needs to visit a site with advanced pitching stats
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
jacobs
NYRoyal, you are just way too narrow minded about this guy. I don’t know if you know this, but he’s not playing most of his games in Florida next year. And what are his numbers away from Florida? Look at them, the past 3 years.
OBP 348, 327, 329
OPS 799, 782, 872
That’s not as bad as you are making it out to be.
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
I don’t know if you know this, but he’s not playing most of his games in Florida next year.
Oh! Condescending sarcasm…I’ll play! I don’t know if you know this, but he’s going to another power-sapping ballpark. And I don’t know if you know this, but the competition level (including pitching) is higher in the American League.
I’d direct your attention to projection systems that take all of this into account, but they come from computers and that might make your head explode.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
irony
I’m reading your posts from one of my 3 computers
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
Irony
In you whining about computers incessantly in another thread.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
If Hillman Is
Smart enough to limit his PA’s against LHP’s, he could actually improve his numbers.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
NYRoyal
I still have to laugh at the conversation we had a few days ago in which you predicted Farnsy would get $950,000, and I predicted $1.75 million, and we both agreed that anything more than that would be stupid.
Boy were we naive!
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I'd laugh if I weren't crying
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
What if.....?
Farnsworth proves to be a reliable 8th-inning guy who throws 70 innings, has a 3 ERA, and serves as a competent bridge to the Mexicutioner? Is it still breathtakingly stupid and incompetent?
If he pitches like that for two years, he can make it a good deal
But it still seems like Moore didn’t have to pay him double his market value to sign him. that much money in two guaranteed years?
And the odds of him pitching like that are miniscule.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
I don’t know if you know this, but he’s going to another power-sapping ballpark.
Oh cmon with that, dont act like Dolphin stadium isnt bigger than kauffman
I WANNA PLAY
I dont know if you know this but Kauffman doesnt have a 434 FT dip in the wall which Jacbos hit like 4 directly in that dip that would have been a homer
I dont know if you know this but Jacobs did that a lot in various parts of the park and probably would have been a homer anywhere else
Werd.
I think Jacobs will get a few HRs at Kauffman that wouldn't have have made it out in FL
but due to the difference between AL and NL starters, he’s probably going to lose a few HR overall.
The balance of power is due to shift from AL to NL any time now
Look at the NFL for gods sake. The AFC has been dominate for years, and the NFC is kicking their ass this year.
It happens in every sport. The West in the NBA was wretched in the early-mid 90’s, that flipped on its axis too
It’s going to happen, its just a matter of when IMO
by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The balance of power is due to shift from AL to NL any time now
When that happens, I’ll recognize it. Until then, you have to adjust for league. Right now the league adjustment hurts Jacobs and cancels out any small park benefit he might get.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
no you wont recognize it
No offense, nobody will be able to forcast it exactly IMO. Projections won’t take that into effect, until it happens either
The AL has been better than the NL for several years
There’s no reason to expect that this changes in 2009, except for wishful thinking. I prefer realism over wishcasting.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
again
the AFC dominated the NFC for damn near a decade. There was no reason to think pre-season, that this season was any different, but it is.
NFL has more unrestricted free agency
Expecting change because you want it isn’t very realistic.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
im not expecting change in '09
Im not expecting change any time.
Change is certain at some time, speculating when is fools gold
So your point is anything can happen?
Agreed. Unfortunately that bit of wisdom doesn’t help us at all in evaluating Jacobs.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just for the record, Jacobs has hit more homers on at home than on the road in his career
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
You keep saying that like it is a negative.
That means Jacobs has very legit homerun power and might easily hit 40 even in the AL.
Go Royals!
It means we shouldn't be overjoyed about what he can do in Kauffman Stadium
Some were stating or implying that playing half of his games at the K instead of in south Florida would help his power. The data doesn’t support that.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
Rule 5
MLB.com has learned that the Washington Nationals will take RHP Terrell Young from the Reds organization with the first pick of the Rule 5 Draft today.
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where?
can I follow the draft?
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/rule_5.jsp
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
No Veal Jersey! :(
NY Royal – step away from the bridge. I know it’s been a rough day. You can make it. In 2 years, you won’t remember the Farnsworth deal even happened. Remember where the parade is going to be.
What a wonderful day to be a Royals fan
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Kansas City
takes Jose Lugo from Rochester (MInn)
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=23739
Good velocity, has some command issues it seems
6-1 159….tall but lanky. I like the build
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
159 my god!
He is playing pro ball and not one person has shown him the weight room, or better yet what food is.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
What's a Jose Lugo?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:10 PM EST reply actions
Not a Julio, thank goodness
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
And yes
if someone brings up Farnsworth then you can talk……lol.
thanx
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
From BA
The Royals took hard-throwing lefty Jose Lugo from the TWins
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:11 PM EST reply actions
OK... there is so much junk...
where are we at and is there a site for the rule 5?
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
well that didnt' work.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=$09393&position=P
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
i suck.
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=$09393&position=P
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=23739
4.04 ERA in 69 innings in high A ball at the age of 24. 76-33 K-BB ratio
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
Another lefty for the pen? And a human stick figure?
I think his odds of staying with the Royals for the season are less than 25%
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:13 PM EST reply actions
Gobble and Bale
Will be non-tendered today, I’m quite certain.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Talking to me?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't see anyone else here, so you must be talking to me.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Oh great
Gobble makes sense, but Bale should be brought back. Another thing to piss me off today.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think he will be
But he’ll be non-tendered first
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
You think there will be no other market for Bale?
Trust me, the stat-friendly organizations will like him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
He may like us
For giving him the first chance. We’ll see. I think you’re right though there will be a market for him.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Show Partial Seasons | Show Postseason
Season Team W L ERA G GS CG ShO SV BS IP TBF H R ER HR BB IBB HBP WP BK SO
2006 Twins® 8 4 3.56 13 13 0 0 0 73.1 71 33 29 3 21 7 70
2006 Twins (A) 1 4 4.45 22 0 0 0 2 28.1 30 16 14 1 13 2 32
2007 Twins (A) 5 6 4.32 40 7 0 0 2 77.0 87 43 37 6 39 5 73
2008 Twins (A+) 2 6 4.04 51 0 0 0 1 69.0 68 34 31 4 33 8 76
Advanced
Show Partial Seasons | Show Postseason
Season Team K/9 BB/9 K/BB HR/9 AVG WHIP BABIP LOB% FIP
2006 Twins® 8.59 2.58 3.33 0.37 .256 1.25 .332 69.6 % 2.97
2006 Twins (A) 10.16 4.13 2.46 0.32 .273 1.52 .377 66.5 % 2.99
2007 Twins (A) 8.53 4.56 1.87 0.70 .286 1.64 .360 71.8 % 4.03
2008 Twins (A+) 9.91 4.30 2.30 0.52 .259 1.46 .351 72.5 % 3.53
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
Has anyone seen this on HoRam
Ramirez will earn $1.8 million, just $200,000 less than the Astros gave Mike Hampton. He also has the chance to earn $1.1 million in bonuses if he becomes a starter and $500,000 if he becomes a reliever. The Royals do not have a left-handed starter
Werd.
Wow
And the hits just keep on coming.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
ho-ram
was effective last year when used properly out of the pen.
Hampton’s arm has been surgically reattached about 6 times and has thrown a combined 150 innings over the last 2 years with about a 1.5 WHIP and about a .3/K inning.
Yes, he was effective and I actually like the Royals signing him
Again, the problem is the money. The Royals overpaid for mediocrity. $1.8M guaranteed with significant performance incentives. Was anyone else going to throw that much money at him coming off only one pretty good season?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
He's not going to spend a big chunk on an impact FA
I admire your blind faith though.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
is our glass half full now? Or empty?
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
It was half full and then DM spilled it
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
I'm Back From
The pool, and my glass is still half broke.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Grrrrr
I didn’t really think he was worth much more than a million, if that, and probably should have gotten a split contract.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
He's not worth more than a million
It’s Christmas for mediocre baseball players!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
At least it makes this beautiful woman happy
And I like making beautiful women happy
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
If she comes to visit me on a regular basis, all is forgiven
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
I See A
Big rock in her future.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
$15.7M
Jacobs+Crisp+Farnsworth+HoRam = $15.7M
This is how adding a bunch of pieces of mediocrity keep a team from getting over the top.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:23 PM EST reply actions
What if he isn't?
Sometimes the sky really is falling.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta have faith/hope
It’ll happen. im very confident.. Royals 60% Dodgers 20% A’s 15% Blue Jays 5%
Werd.
This is eerily reminisicent of an Allard Baird offseason
Filling all of the “holes” with mediocre major league veterans rather than getting one really good player and filling the rest with freely available talent.
I still hold out hope that Furcal is coming though.
Farns, HoRam, and Jacobs are stupid whether Furcal comes or not
it’s going to cost downt he road
Especially if Farns can’t get back above replacement level…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Jose Lugo
http://www.futureredbirds.net/2008/12/07/rule-5-lefties/
* Jose Lugo, Twins: Lugo is only coming off a full season in the Florida State League, but has the extreme ground ball tendencies that make Dave Duncan’s heart go a pitter-patter. Lugo is known for a heavy sinker he throws in the low to mid-nineties, and he struck out 9.2 batters per nine with a 57.3% groundball rate.
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So correct me if im wrong
But doesnt the Rule 5 mean the player has to spend the year in the MLB or he goes back to his old team ?
Werd.
Correct
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
So he is a left handed Hooch then?
Go Royals!
Yes, or we can just offer him back to his old team at any time
We’re not locked in. We can cut him loose.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Ok, I get it
I’ve died and this is hell. I knew I shouldn’t have jumped off of that bridge.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:25 PM EST reply actions
I find this HILARIOUS
NYRoyal has become everything he constantly bitches about. He constantly bangs on people in game threads for being negative yet he is whining about the offseason.
KC even with some bad deal should be slightly better and in a bad division could actually step up and compete. These bad contracts will be expired by 2011 when Johnny G, Moustakas and maybe Hosmer are ready to play. None of these deals have any relevance in extending Zack or Alex if he would happen to break out.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 12:26 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
I'm being negative about real, substantive things
…not emotional overreactions to every little piece of BS. Yes the Royals will be better. I’ve said that for weeks, including today. But Moore’s acquisitions have only helped a little. He could have wisely spent the money to help the Royals more and without giving up talent, but he didn’t.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
we'll find out how much they help.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
yes we will, but right now it doesn't look good
Well, it looks about 81-wins good (if no major injuries to key players). And with less financial flexibility next year to make a real move.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
And as I said earlier
i thought we all agreed to not criticize any of DM’s bullpen building skills WTF NY
Werd.
No one agreed
I"m not very agreeable
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Substantive? IYO
Fans would rather bang on actual plays and on field activity as opposed to projections/past performance which is what you are doing. These aren’t good deals but they are hardly organization crippling.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
They keep the team from getting better in a significant way
But I guess complaining about a guy not stealing in the 3rd inning of a game is more meaningful. Are you real or do I just dream you?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
How do you figure?
Crisp, Jacobs are 1 year deals they are 1 year only moves unless they perform to an ability to extend keep them around. If KC is actually competing in ’09 whether we want to admit it or not Jose Guillen would have to be a major reason for that and if he is having a goode season it is much easier to unload him. Farnsworth is a bad signing but thank god it probably prevents KC from overpaying Furcal/O-Cab to longer worse deals.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
How do you figure?
I’m talking about for 2009. An addition could have been made to help the team over the next 3 years (getting into contention years) if not for this assemblage of mediocrities. And then there’s the risk that Moore overvalues Jacobs and Crisp again and keeps them and their raises for 2010. And of course Farnsworth’s money is there for 2010 as well.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
I kind of like it myself
KC could’ve went out and signed Furcal to 4/44 or Dunn or someone else in the attempt to make a move in ‘09 and hurt the longterm vision. Jacobs/Crisp/Guillen aren’t longterm guys the team is still centered around Alex/Billy/Pitching hopefully one of them steps up and makes them a contender in ’09.
Cleveland, Chicago and Detroit have gotten significantly weaker in my mind and KC could move into that second tier following Minnesota.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
KC could’ve went out and signed Furcal to 4/44 or Dunn or someone else in the attempt to make a move in ‘09 and hurt the longterm vision.
That isn’t about making a move in 09. That is about contending within 3 years.
These moves don’t help in the short-term or the long-term. They just spend money to tread water. Woohoo!
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Royals get P Luis Ortega
From the Nats in the minor league portion of the Rule 5. He does not have to spend the whole year at any level, he is OURS!
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=36076
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he's a hottie?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
I think the bad moves the Royals have made today are making me light headed
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I think that.
While no one is really thrilled about some of the moves that most of us arent going insanely crazy like yourself lol
Werd.
You should be
And it isn’t just any one move (although the Farnsy signing is spectacularly atrocious). It’s the whole offseason coming to a head today. Today’s moves combined with Jacobs and Crisp are a major FAIL. $15.7M on four mediocrities (being kind to Farnsy here).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
You wont convince me
Im one of the few fans of the Jacobs and Crisp deals.. i dont like the farnsy that much but i can still breathe
Werd.
by focs on Dec 11, 2008 12:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Royals lose Russ Haltiwanger in the minor league Rule 5
Then Ruben Gotay trade is officially over.
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Addition by subtraction
Something good happened for the Royals today! I assume we didn’t lose Nicoll or anyone else in the major league phase.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Just Gilbert de la vara
No loss really
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody picked him up in the major league phase?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Astros
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
Houston picked him in the major league phase.
by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, weirdness
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Oretga is a stud.
13 walks in 75 innings? Who cares where you are, that’s great.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
how are the strikeouts?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
preety damn good..
35 in 32 innings year 1
49 in 43 innings year 2
his ERA was sick to. just digusting
Werd.
I'm going to be shocked if the Royals don't sign Orlando Cabrera now
One last begging session from Moore to Glass. And Glass agrees to give up $9M more to sign Cabrera for 3/27.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:38 PM EST reply actions
It might be sarcasm
But signing O-Cab would be par for the course. And multiple sources have said that we are interested in him. At least two reported that he is our fallback plan if we don’t get Furcal. But these are rumors, so who knows.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Actually (if anyone is reading this)
although I would oppose signing Cabrera for 3/27, and it poses a larger overall risk, it’s not close to be the overpayment that the Farnsworth deal would be.
For one thing, Cabrera projects to be league average or just below, whereas Farnsworth projects to be replacement level or substantially below
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
The percentage of overpayment here is staggering. I’m still shocked.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody sent him a box of steaks
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
Also in the minor league portion
Royals get C John Suomi (Arbuckle has a bias towards ex-Phillies!!!111)
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/S/John-Suomi.shtml
And P Carlos Arias
http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/A/Carlos-Arias.shtml
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Any second now
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
We can afford anybody
There is no payroll budget. Glass will spend any amount of money. So, GB, think we’ll sign Tex? If not, why not? Glass can afford it, right?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
So your snotty sarcasm is ok, but mine isn't?
Don’t throw around snotty sarcasm if you don’t want it back. Call me a douche again, and you’ll ride the pine, kid.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
i didnt call you a douche
I said you’re turning into one.
If you are going to threaten to ban me, at least threaten to ban me when using my words in context.
Are you going to ban everyone that disagrees with you? It would be a pretty small site
i didnt call you a douche
I said you’re turning into one.
A distinction without a meaningful difference that I don’t want to argue about.
Listen kid, this site has rules. One rule is that we can certainly argue but we don’t act like immature kids and throw around insults like douche, fuckwad and similar bullshit. There’s a line. It’s a pretty clear line. You can disagree with me without calling me a douche or a shithead or anything like that, ok? I’ve been here for quite a while and I don’t ban people I disagree with. So just follow the rules and don’t whine about it.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Good lord
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Ladies calm down!
NYRoyal, I think you’re overreacting, and GoBabies, I think you should probably lay off NYRoyal for awhile.
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dude.. people go around throwing out F bombs like no tomorrow...
and you’re mad cuase you got called a douche? Give me a break.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
We try to avoid having things devolve into
Fuck you asshole! You’re a douche bag! Cram it, shithead.
that is against the rules for obvious reasons. When a blog is full of that kind of discussion, the discourse turns to pure shit. The problem isn’t coarse language. The problem is turning things into vulgar personal insults.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
You're right.
We should totally put up with personal insults because “people throw around F bombs like no tomorrow.” :P
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
it's the new "awesome dude"
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
thats like
missing out on Laetitia Casta because you went with some average chick from your H.S.
</typical blogger guy aping Simmons>
dayton needs to start calling the yankees
they look to be in insane win now mode
then again, i don’t know if they have any prospects left
I am wondering
If they add all these starting pitchers, what happens to Joba, IDK and Phil Hughes?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
I am in bizarro world
With NYRoyal’s over the top irrational negativity today.
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Compare the following two lists
Jacobs
Crisp
Farnsworth
H. Ramirez
($15.9M)
or
R. Ramirez
Nunez
Furcal or Bradley or Dunn
(for probably less than $15.9M)
Which is better? Do you think the difference between the Royals with group A vs. group B is insignificant? There is reason to be pissed off.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't like the deals
But I don’t think they are franchise crippling stuff either.
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Not franchise crippling
But franchise hurting. And when you had the opportunity to significantly help the team, and instead you just putter around a bit with that money to do very little, that really sucks. This team needs to build towards contention, not just tread water.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
These moves seem
dare I say it… Baird-esque
Yes
That really hurts. But yes.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I’m ok with the Crisp move and would rather it not be lumped in with the others since I think it’s ok, particularly if we flip him at the deadline or he helps us get to .500. But Jacobs still doesn’t really make sense, the Ho-Ram deal was too much, and the Farnsworth move was a disaster.
The term opportunity cost really sums this up well. If you had said we’d be spending almost $20M this offseason, we’d have all been thrilled. But then to see how it was spent… oof. It’s even more disappointing because the market is down and we seem to be bucking that trend. This is a year when you could load up with some really nice Tier B free agents for about 2/3rds what they cost last year. Sure, CC and Tex will get theirs but compare K-Rod with recent closer contracts, numbers being thrown around for Dunn and Burrell vs what that money would have gotten you in the last couple of years (Guillen). It’s just frustrating.
Doesn't that mean you think these deals suck?
Or did you have a positive opinion of Baird?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
List B is better now but
how does that list look if Furcal/Bradley/Dunns bodies all go to shit which definitely could happen in all instances. Jacobs/Crisp/HRam are gone after ’09 unless they perform Farnsworth is the only Big Mistake and its only a 2 year deal.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
The Royals need to take on some risk in order to contend
And you have no idea if Jacobs/Crisp/HRam will be gone after ‘09. That’s a lot of blind faith. We once thought HRam would be gone after 08. I bet Jacobs will be back in 09, and Crisp is a maybe. HRam will depend on his 2008 performance. If he’s mediocre or better, he’ll be back.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Weren't you the guy saying that this team shouldn't worry about contending til '10/11
Jacobs returns if Billy/Kila/Shealy don’t prove they are everyday players which if that is the case and he returns it means the other guys couldn’t hack it. HRam = who cares 1.8 M for 1 year. Crisp only returns if KC trades DDJ or he proves to be a solid solid player. I doubt KC pays 8M for him next year unless he has a very good year especially if DDJ is still on the team.
The biggest concern I have with this team is Hillman. Will he continue to love veterans too much and play Jacobs (vs lefties) too much over Billy? Will he continue to love 1b defense too much and play Teahen there everyday (ala Gload) ? Will he not use the lefties in the pen properly and will he continue to use Soria too little (not multiple innings). Will Kila rot in Omaha too long(ala Aviles)? Trey Hillman must get better for this team long term.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Weren’t you the guy saying that this team shouldn’t worry about contending til ’10/11
I said that the Royals wouldn’t contend before that. I’m also in favor of adding a big piece every year so that we can be ready when we get there (like Meche…Guillen was supposed to be that but didn’t work out…Furcal would help).
I doubt KC pays 8M for him next year unless he has a very good year especially if DDJ is still on the team.
If Moore will go 2/9 on crap like Farnsworth, then it would follow that he’d pay 1/8 on an average player like Crisp.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
maybe but still not crippling
plus they think Robinson will probably be ready by the end of 2010 (which I don’t see)
The only thing I would be worried about right now is Furcal at 4/44. That is too long and too much IMO and the sort of thing that could hurt this organization longterm. I think you are right KC needs to get involved in the FA market every year but I would be more interested in a healthy guy like O-Dog or overpaying Greinke.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
I don’t think they think Robinson will be ready by then. Certainly not ready to be a good, contributing starter. And even when a FO is high on a prospect, they know there is a good chance that prospect won’t make it.
I would be more interested in a healthy guy like O-Dog
O-dog has significant health concerns and the royals would lose a second round pick if they sign him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
His injuries aren’t longterm ones like Furcal and the loss of a second rounder isn’t as significant with the Grudz sandwich pick. Plus I don’t think he gets as much $ as Furcal because the upside isn’t as large and he is a 2b.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Maybe
From what I’ve read, the injuries are not insignificant. And losing a second round pick is losing a second round pick, whether you’ve got a sandwich pick or not. That adds to O-dog’s cost. And the speculation I’ve read is that O-dog will get similar money, but who knows.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Actually, I like
Nunez
Crisp
Furcal or Bradley or Dunn
Go Royals!
Ok
That’s one hell of a lot better than what Moore did.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
NYR is kind of out of control I think he needs to ride the pine the rest of the day
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
quit saying things when they just start popping up in the ol' head.....
or whatever the line actually is.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 12, 2008 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
you can stay NYRoyal
it’s just a blog… i enjoy the slight tension
by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
less comments about other posters
more posts about the royals
by Freneau on Dec 11, 2008 1:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I just read the 300 plus comments in order
and laughed on multiple occasions. Wild west shootout. There is a saying about those who fight on the internet, but it is semioffensive so i won’t post it. but I’m sure most of you know what it is.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Even if you win, you're still a loser.
(Leaving out the unneeded comparison.)
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Farnsworth is an example of a guy
Who because he at one point was a major league caliber pitcher, is still deemed a major league caliber pitcher. He is the anti stuck in the parking lot.
He had a 6+ era in Detroit last season…and that isn’t exactly a cracker jack ballpark.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Jose Lugo dealt to Seattle
For cash….to pay for Rafael Furcal I presume.
I already miss Lugo. How will you remember the Jose Lugo Era?
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laughed out loud
big signing coming for the $100K we got for Lugo. I miss him too.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Speculation
Speculating net.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Rosenthal : MacDougal's career continues to nosedive
The career of former All-Star closer Mike MacDougal continued to nosedive Thursday.
The Chicago White Sox exposed MacDougal to the major-league portion of the Rule V draft, but no team was willing to pay $50,000 for him. He remains unwanted property of the White Sox.
MacDougal made the American League All-Star team with Kansas City in 2003
Werd.
MacDougal for 50,000
Or Farnsworth for 4.5 million. We report, You decide, Fair and Balanced.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
The team that picked Mac up would still have to pick up his MLB contract
which is in the millions
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Moore made a good trade back then...
[he said as he looked wistfully out the window, a single tear sliding down his cheek]
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
but is he $4,450,000 worse?
It isn’t hockey. we don’t need an on ice enforcer, as baseball fights are quite rare.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
mmm, maybe we are paying Farnsworth for his brawlings skills.
Take out the best player on an opposing central team…
4.25 million to take out a 20 million guy, that is good tactics.
Go Royals!
He was making millions a year
wow i thought he was still on his first/second big league deal in the hundreds of K zone.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Macdougal would cost
09:$2.65M, 10:$3.75M club option ($0.35M buyout)
plus $50K
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
Would have cost
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
I was just pointing out that Mac wouldn't have been nearly free in the Rule 5 draft
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
FOCS don't be a jerk
He was replying to my comment about the cost of macdougal.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Just a slight miscommunication
all is well
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Can we have Peavy?
We need Peavy.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/932475.html
"Based on the opportunities that we had to acquire talent," Moore said, "I think we were able to do what we needed to do. Horacio Ramirez and Doug Waechter are great make-up guys. We think there is still upside for both of those players."
Ramirez, 29, Waechter, 27, and Farnsworth, 32, push next year’s payroll to roughly $75 million _ some $5 million over budget _ but add a left-handed candidate to what is currently an all right-handed rotation while replenishing a bullpen depleted by previous trades.
"Doug Waechter has power to his game," Moore said. "He’s primarily been a starter for his whole career. Last year was his first year in the bullpen and right-handers hit .216 against him. Our scouts feel he has better days ahead of him.
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I love KC Star math
Yesterday they said the payroll was at about $70M (which is correct). Then they add 4.5+1.8+Waechter which gets the payroll to about $77M and they call it $75M.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
Fuck me
God that’s ugly. Ugly because it is true.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
It can happen if we trade Greinke
…as they traded Bedard.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
A major league contract?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
You'll love this
The Royals, against all odds, also remain in the hunt for free-agent shortstop Rafael Furcal. That still seems a long shot. Even Moore admits it will require some serious financial kanoodling.
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Keep fighting Dayton
I’ll PayPal him $20. Everybody join in.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Is kanoodling spanish for
sell some walmart stock to pay for the ballclubs payroll?
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
$640,000 + incentives
So yea, it sounds guaranteed
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At least it was cheap
I won’t pan that deal. It is essentially an almost zero risk signing.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
THAT's the contract you give a replacement level reclamation project
note that Marcels projects Waechter fora better ERA and FIP than the Professor
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
we aren't
really baning anybody, are we? I just got back from my lunch and saw all this over the top stuff. I also think it’s funny, and hopefully light hearted. I don’t take NYRoyal’s comments at me personally. I always respect his opinions. I don’t agree with most of them today, but that is a lot different than normal. He thinks Jacobs is a turd. I think obscure baseball stats that even Joe Poznanski doesn’t even talk about are turds. Hopefully neither of us is right (Jacobs hits 38 bombs which makes me happy and has an OPS+ of 126 which makes NYRoyal happy).
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
you do realize that Jacobs will never have an OPS+ of 126?
Even Kevin Seitzer ain’t that amazin’.
You keep forgetting about the Free
Mac N Seitz memberships for all Royals players.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
Nobody has been banned
not to worry. Although none of us should call each other vulgar names. That’s always the rule and we should stick to it today like every other day.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
NYRoyal
what do you put the over/under on Jacobs OPS next season?
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
.800, but all OPS’s are not created equal. A .400 OBP, .400 SLG is much, much more valuable than a .300 OBP, .500 SLG (and I think Jacobs will be around that). I haven’t settled on a prediction for Jacobs but maybe something like .315/.485 obp/slg
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
care for a wager?
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
Sure, if we can work out the terms and specifics
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
ok
i’ll say he will get over 820
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
because
not all 800’s are the same, but once we get to a point, you’ve had a good season.
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
But a .800 OPS for a 1B is below average for the position (or DH)
And a low-OBP .800 OPS takes him even further below average.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
and I say under .810. And if his OPS is .810-.819, it’s push. How about that?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions
excellent
what’s the wager. i’ll send you a box of all you favorite KC bbq sauces if I lose
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
and if i win
I get to coach the Knicks, deal?
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
really though
What’s good there? I’ve never been.
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
NYC isn't known for its great food products
Let’s make this something less costly and more interesting. We need to get creative.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
sounds good
I’ll do some research
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
NYR I would put an AB provision in there just in case
Hillman wises up and plays Jacobs against RHP only.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
I don't need or want it
But you do make a good point. I’ll roll the dice.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
and by .400 obp being much more valuable he means about 2-3%.
or roughly makes him more like a .780 ops guy.
Go Royals!
and by .400 obp being much more valuable he means about 2-3%.
No, not even close. Ten points of SLG are the value equivalent of 18 points of OBP. I can link you to some sources if you’d like to read up on it.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
for the record
Even the super-optimistic James projections have Jacobs as about a +9 hitter (.360 wOBA; .269/.325/.515; I had to prorate the full-season number). This means that even if he was an average defensive first baseman (and as everyone should know by now, he’s a historically bad first basemen 11 runs on bUZR this year in limited playing tim), on this most optimistic projection, he’s still a below average 1B, since the position adjustment is -12.5 or so. Assuming he adapts seemlessly to DH, the penalty is -17.5 - so he’s about 8 runs short of average.
And James is projecting a career year…
How about Marcels, which has its limits, is more conservative and goes more strictly off recent performance (and works pretty well for players with 3+ years in the majors; I actually think it does better than James)? Marcels projects a league wOBA of .332. They have Jacobs at .256/.314//.471 next season…. good for a .332 wOBA. That’s right, the guy who’s best position is a DH projects as a league average hitter. You know who on the Royals was just above league average this year?
I won’t say, but here’s a totally unrelated question — how would you feel about having resigning Grudz as a DH?
ZiPS already published a projection for Jacobs. I don’ t have ZiPS projected league average, but I’ll use .338 as a midpoint guidline as I have earlier. Zips has Jacobs as a .262/.313/.485 hitter, or +2.4 runs over a full season.
You can decide from yourself whether or not that’s good enough for a guy making more than $3M and who needs fielding lessons from Travis Hafner.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
stupid cross out
"11 runs on bUZR this year in limited playing tim), on this most optimistic projection, he’s still a below average 1B, since the position adjustment is -12.5 or so. Assuming he adapts seemlessly to DH, the penalty is -17.5 "
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 7:50 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, no, then OPS would never have been used as a production indicator, would have been thrown out almost immediately.
Already did a mathematical proof on this point in a previous post that a high slug could be more valuable then a high obp depending on what sort of hits contributed to it. Understand that walks are not undervalued in OPS, they are over-valued as it related to runs scored. What is undervalued are singles. Its only 10 to 18 if you are comparing all homerun slug to all singles obp, that is not going to happen, the standard error is only 2-3. Jacobs OPS is deflated because he doesn’t get walks, inflated because he hits homeruns, and so most of that error is vapor. 2-3 is fair for Jacobs OPS – wOBA.
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You should read some of the voluminous research that has been done on this
Trying to out-think years of sabermetric research in a few blog posts doesn’t really work out well. Do you think that all of that research which has compared the run value of OBP and SLG have just been way off and that you figured it out? Come on, really?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
just go to fangraphs or stats corner, BabyBlues
if you can outproof Tango or MGL in a way that is clear to me, I’ll buy it.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
+3
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
OBP is a really bad indicator of runs produced.
SLG is even worse, OPS just happens to work because it mostly cancels out the errors between the two given a normal distribution of hits and walks. woba is much better at predicting runs scored because it bases hits and walks and so forth based historically on what those hits generally produce. Woba is the right methodology, OPS is like putting in values into a spreadsheet until the formula comes out right. If we continued to tweak SLG for the errors that are unaccounted for such as walks and singles being counted the same or Homeruns being 7% higher then they should be when measured against a walk, OPS could be made to zero in on equivalent Woba values dispite having a flawed methodology. I thought the proof was awfully straight forward and easy to understand?
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what are we even arguing about?
I think wOBA is the best. I put the three-slash lines in there for people who weren’t used to it. Sorry if I misunderstood you or if I wasn’t clear. wOBA shows exactly how “valuable” Jacobs hitting is in a way that his .800+ OPS in 2008 can’t.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 12, 2008 1:12 AM EST up reply actions
But you're forgetting his SLG!!!!!!!!!!!!!111
Which is only 2-3% less valuable than his OBP. Where did I get that number? Out of the clear blue sky. So it must be right.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 12, 2008 2:08 AM EST up reply actions
Ugghh, I never said OBP and SLG were only 2-3% apart.
I was saying OPS and wOBA would be about 2-3% apart. Your saying that OBP and SLG being 10-18 points apart made it sound like OPS was in not even in the ballpark, yet it is. When they are weighted equally like they are in OPS then half the error goes away and it is actually 10-14 points. the average error is basically half of that, or 2 points (20). the percentage of difference between OBP and SLUG is usually pretty small compared to the base of SLG and OBP, so most of that 20 difference also dissapears. You get left with about a 2-3% difference. (Some players could have higher errorfor example walk/homerun sluggers would be 3-4% overvalued) If you would fix SLG to have singles and walks have a higher value relative to doubles, triples, and homeruns, then OPS would start approximating wOBA. Still the wrong methodology though.
Go Royals!
If you are interested in statistical baseball analysis
…I would suggest you read some about it. There are very good books and websites on the subject. That would be better than trying to re-invent the wheel yourself, not quite understanding all of the principles of the wheel, and then doing it wrong by making it square-shaped.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 12, 2008 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
So you like wOBA?
Then you must (finally) agree that the relative value of OBP to SLG is 1.8 to 1. Because part of the computation of wOBA is that kind of weighting of OBP and SLG. Glad you are on board.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 12, 2008 2:07 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, I like wOBA, its a great way to compare players.
It is much better then OPS. The only problem with it is that we are used to seeing OPS values, so its like switching from English system to the metric system in knowing what is significant difference and so forth, witch is way wOBA+ is most likely what we should be posting about. I do sort of struggle with how much difference in wOBA means as far as run production. Blah number of points = blah number of runs if you have blah number of at bats and so forth, while OPS seems mroe intuitive. Therefore fixing OPS to be more in line with wOBA may not be a bad thing even though it won’t be as good as wOBA is.
Go Royals!
er... witch is way = which is why
Go Royals!
What worries me the most...
…about the extra spending on Farns, HoRam, and Waechter, is that perhaps Moore has already conceded trying to re-sign Greinke this offseason and is using those clams to concoct a bullpen.
You'll have to elaborate
I am failing to see how signing crappy pitchers to expensive deals makes it more likely Greinke signs a long-term deal.
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I am saying it makes it less likely
That is, that Moore has already determined that he can’t re-sign Greinke, so the money that would be used to re-sign him is instead being used to sign players like the Professor.
yeah, hard to believe they are spending all of this money and would still throw a bunch at Greinke
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
Zacks contract would probably be more backloaded wouldn’t it?
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Probably
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Could be
But a really half assed way to show it. This is not an impressive group of players by any measure.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
do we flip HoRam at the dealine again for another paulie?
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
No, I think Moore really likes him
If he pitches ok, he’ll probably extend him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
so our rotation looks like this...
Meche
Grienke
Hochevar
Davies
HoRam/Bannister/Waechter/?
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
I think he said Waechter would be used as a reliever
And I bet Bannister is the #4 and Davies is competing with Ramirez for #5.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know about that
Davies pitched better than Hochevar or Banny last year. I think he deserves to battle Hoch for #3.
It will probably be like this
Moore and Hillman will have a good idea going into ST who the starting 5 will be. But Davies, Bannister and Ramirez will, to some degree, compete for the final 2 spots in the rotation. I think Davis and Bannister will have the edge and Ramirez will only make it if he looks spectacular or of course if someone gets injured.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
It's not, but it's probably good enough for a couple win jump right now*
Which seems to be the current aim
* Won’t do much for the long term though
I creates a winning culture.
If we can raise expectations within the fan base AND clubhouse, we can sign more big FA’s and get better. If we can teach the young kids how to win… then it’ll be time when the youngsters get here.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
You know what's even better t han a winning culture?
wins
Farns and H-rRam together won’t add any.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
an exaggeration
but not by much. Not by $6M/yr
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Good question.
shouldnt be that much after last years embarrassing performance albeit he was hurt
Werd.
Greinke is long gone, IMO
The time to resign Greinke was at the beginning of last season. He has now a hot commodity and probably won’t resign here regardless of money. Why we didn’t sign him to a longer deal, but lower yearly salary, ala Mr. Longoria is beyond me.
I see maybe 5% chance of keeping him.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
GRIENKE DOES NOT WANT TO RESIGN
THE ROYALS MADE SOME OFFERS.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
Waechter
looks like he was fairly effective in relief last year, just keep him from facing too many LH batters.
I can't pronounce his name or spell it
He needs a nickname. I’m going to call him “nobody”
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
It's Probably German
And originally spelled “Wachter” with an umlaut over the “a”. These pronunciations almost always get anglicized or made improperly Teutonic. It should be more like “Waykter”, but when you hear a real German say it it’s a sound we don’t use at all in English.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Oops; It's Probably
More like “Wayshter”.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
How about "not Farns"
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
waechter
If we signed waechter (which I kinda like), why did we also sign Farns? That really doesn’t make any sense. And HoRam? Gobble gone, Peralta gone,
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
lots of nontenders, I guess
And maybe Rosa back in AAA, which would be another really, truly stupid move.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
i want rosa to be a starter one day
not groom him as a reliever..
Werd.
by focs on Dec 11, 2008 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
there is nothing wrong with starting Rosa in the 'pen
with the intent of making him a starter someday. Indeed, I hope that is what happens.
if banny pulls this dogshit again this year
i wouldnt mind looking at rosa starting at some point
Werd.
I'd rather he not waste away in Omaha while the Royals need a good bullpen
And he has durability issues which may prevent him from ever having a healthy full season as a starter. He could spot start and be a reliever for the Royals in 2009. Or waste him in Omaha.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
but I would have Rosa spot start as little as possible, not only to limit his innings, but also because a year ago, he was getting finished with his first half season in AA and we are already talking about him being a full time MLBer. No need to overwhelm him with innings.
As I posted elsewhere, I'd cap him at about 120 innings
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
When Waechter is on, he has a wicked splitter and can pitch with some “power.” He and Farns seem slightly redundant (though Farnsworth relies on a four-seamer instea0, and I’d much rather have Waechter.
oddly
Rosa + Waechter look like they’d be a better setup combo than Ho-Ram and the Professor
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
But Farnsworth will get his 60 ip regardless (min)
woohoo!
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta sink those costs fasts to get a good return!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Well - this could also be a Dotel situation
Pick up a questionable FA and watch him have a great 1st half and trade him off.
We said that about Guillen too
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
I like Clement a lot
I wonder if he could be converted to a reliever and avoid some injury issues that way?
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Peter Gammons
Was asked who he thought Furcal would sign with…and he said KC.
So it probably means he’s signing with Oakland.
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Why I'm pissed off
1. Some bad short-term moves
2. (this is the biggy) These poor moves make me think that Dayton Moore isn’t a good enough manager to eventually get the Royals over the hump. Going from .500 to the playoffs is a big jump. Those are a hard 7+ wins to get. I don’t think Moore is good at evaluating position players. I think he’s pretty poor at it. And I don’t think he’s particularly good at determining a player’s market value. A small market team needs a good GM who can identify good pitchers and position players and who can efficiently utilize scarce resources.
I don’t think Moore is good enough to get us over the top.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
on the other hand
It is still EARLY. When the point comes that we can’t resign guys because of wasted money, then I’ll be pissed. Until then, hopefully there’s a bigger plan that we don’t know about. Something about Wal Mart stock probably.
In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.
I don’t think Moore is good enough to get us over the top
Wow, I’m not even sure I’d go that far. Worthy opinions, though.
by Royals Nation on Dec 11, 2008 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
In order to be a GM who can get a small market team over the top
….you have to be really good at spotting talent that others haven’t spotted. Recognizing who is undervalued (pitchers and pos players). And then using your money wisely and not overpaying. Moore has some weaknesses in all of the above (except for finding pitchers).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Minnesota did that for quite a while before their most recent GM change. TB is doing that. Oakland has done that for years. Boston is doing that with a hell of a lot more money. The Indians have usually done that, but this offseason looks a little different for them. That’s a short list off the top of my head.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
it's way too early
but Seattle is off to a good start
Ricciardi is a bordline case — I wonder how he’d do in a different division. He makes some bad moves, but he also seems to have a knack for finding good, undervalued, below-average-but-above replacment cheap guys like Scutaro and Inglett
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
wow
I actually think Punto would be a good utiility man, but $4.25/per is ridiculous
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 11, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
This day has been really unimpressive for the Royals
I have to agree with NYRoyal for the most part. I never liked Farns. I really hate 2/9.5M. We keep Olivo for no real reason, Jacobs—really? Crisp I’m okay with, though I never loved it. Give me Butler, Gordon, Rosa. Even if they underwhelm, they aren’t expensive.
What's that?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh yeah, coming up.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 11, 2008 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Where are our Midwestern manners?
I, for one, would like to welcome Mr. Farnsworth and his lovely family.
he has a hot wife. for what its worth
i wonder if his science lab is upstairs or in the basement
Werd.
I hope the family does not read this blog
but those smiles all look very forced. “Can we please look like a happy family for five seconds for this PR shot!?!?”
www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage
Waechter
Had signed to go to the University of South Florida and play quarterback for the Bulls.
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
I can't believe I read all that
I just couldn’t turn away from the drama. Let’s pitch this to NBC, It’ll be called “RoyalsReview”.
by I need more Esteban on Dec 11, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions
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