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This has been an interesting day.

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Royals acquire OF Jordan Parraz from Houston

As compensation for Lumsden

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=11003

Great deal! Parraz is just 24 with a lifetime .370 OBA.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He walks way too much for this organization

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

no grit?

… i thought i smelled a wimp

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He was the #12 prospect in the Astros organization

According to Sickels

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very nice

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or a nice fruit basket

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Dec 11, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A Lovely Parting

Gift.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn good deal.. wow

How bout that year when he was 21 .336/.421/.494 for a .915 OPS

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmm. good question

he is tearing up A

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's an ok prospect, not a great one

languishing at that level at that age doesn’t bode well. We knew we wouldn’t get a truly good prospect for Lumsden.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he's a secret weapon

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it would be better if he was a double secret weapon

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Dec 11, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This Guy Was

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my hero

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Dec 12, 2008 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He Died On

My birthday; really bummed me out.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 1:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

so what you are telling me is that you are, in part, responsible for this tragedy?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Dec 12, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Damn good deal there

Something good happened today.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank Jesus and Overflow Thread

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh

i feel refreshed.. all that negativity in the other thread was draining me

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 1:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I feel much better now

(putting on a brave face)

Brave! now I’M obsessed!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

These Are The

Days that make Valium, Xanax, Prozac et al perennial best sellers.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scouting report for Parraz when he was drafted

Speed and power part two. Jordan Parraz has both. Parraz was a freshman at CCSN this year. He was their regular centerfielder. He was also the starting pitcher in 8 games. In 44 games this season Parraz led CCSN in avg (.398), slg (.542), and obp (.507). In just 118 at-bats he hit 11 doubles, 2 homers, and had 29 RBI. He also had 13 stolen bases in 18 attempts.

Unlike Pence, Parraz has a power arm. In high school last year Parraz was clocked with a 95-97 mph fastball. In his junior year of high school Jordan broke a bone in his right (pitching) elbow. That clearly didn’t affect his velocity, but may be one reason the Astros want him to play CF. He was healthy all year this year so it’s unlikely he’ll have a continuing problem.

He was drafted by the Phillies last year in the 6th round as a pitcher. He expected to go a round or three higher and so expected a good chunk of change. The Phillies offered him six figures, but Jordan turned them down and put his hopes on the 2004 draft. His coach expected Jordan to be taken no later than the third round. It appears he made the right call. Parraz can expect at least a third round level signing bonus. As an added benefit Parraz prefers to be an everyday player and was drafted by the Astros who agree with him. If the Astros offer him what he considers a fair deal expect Parraz to sign and be assigned to Greeneville, the Astros new rookie league affiliate.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 2:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

F that

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Douche!

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 2:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bite Me

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

J Parraz

Yeah, his number look good, but I’m with NYRoyal… it’s not a good sign he was stuck in A ball for this long… obviously.

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Could be dumbness by the Astros

They’re not known to be good with minor leaguers.

And let’s not forget, Soria was “stuck” in A ball and exposed to the Rule 5.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there is no breaking the positive spins

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Dec 11, 2008 2:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Admit it: Our savior DM is Allard Baird with more money to spend

I always thought that if Allard was given a $75 million payroll, he’d put a Michael Tucker at every position and a Scott Elarton at every spot in the rotation.

I think DM is finally realizing Allard’s dream.

BTW, I think he got really lucky with Meche. That signing should have been a disaster, too. Good thing Andruw Jones was too smart to sign here. I’m not too impressed with our boy GMDM.

by hippdoghipp on Dec 11, 2008 2:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

fair enough...

but i’d prefer to give GMDM the benefit of the doubt on Meche — that he actually knew what he was doing. Also, nabbing Soria was good. And oh yeah, nabbing RamRam and HoRam (twice) also seem to be good moves.

I respect your opinion (b/c this is the positive thread) but I think GMDM is smarter than Baird… with or without the $$$

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 2:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We don't have to be in one ditch or the other

Let’s give Moore credit for the good things he’s done (Meche, Soria and many more) along with the bad things he’s done (I can’t bring myself to list them right now).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i choose to be in the

positive, give the benefit of the doubt to Moore, “ditch”. Of course you can lay in the middle if you want… but when comparing GMDM to Baird, I’m going to say GMDM smells better, eats healthier, has a lower carbon footprint and makes better baseball moves than Baird.

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 2:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Moore is better too

Based on the moves they made (and I have no idea if Baird’s moves were forced by ownership), I’d tentatively give them the following grades:

Baird D
Moore C

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but of course you're right

that in his own right, without comparing him to Baird, GMDM makes some bad decisions. I’ll for sure grant you that, NYRoyal

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

GMDM's ability to get Glass to open up the checkbook on the draft and the payroll

makes him smarter than Allard and that is before we get to any moves made by either.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 2:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We don't know if Moore is the reason Glass is more willing to spend money

Could be, but we don’t know.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what other options are there?

being visited by the ghost of christmas past?

by Bart41 on Dec 11, 2008 2:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i'm telling you

it’s because GMDM smells better — a pheromone thing.

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Realizing from the failure going cheap that he needed to invest more to win more.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Must Strongly

Suspect GMDM had something to do with this, especially given his background in scouting and player development. Also, why wouldn’t he want to pick over the players he helped scout/develop in Atlanta over the last decade? It only makes sense.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Changes to Revenue Sharing in 2003?

The changes to the structure are what changed Glass. Moore is a by product, as is the money they have agreed to spend.

by Big Guy on Dec 11, 2008 2:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The opening of the renovated K....

and an overall down economy may also be driving this. I think Glass knows he’s got to put a competitive product on the field this year to help drive ticket sales in this economy. And I think he genuinely feels like he owes the fanbase a little more in light of the hundreds of millions of tax dollars spent. Plus, Glass has probably been doing well (see Rany’s post on the performance of Wal-Mart’s stock) while other owners may have felt the dramatic swing in the market a little more (as in “swing to the nuts”).

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Farnsy needs the $$$

did you see, the son doesn’t even have a proper pair of blue jeans!

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 11, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Now I feel bad about saying bad things about Mr. Farnsworth

I want to buy that kid some jeans for Xmas now.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bah! Humbug!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've got a permanent smile on my face today...

I think all of this wailing and gnashing of teeth is absolutely hilarious.

Paging Mr. Neyer…

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 11, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Rany's take on Farnsworth:
More and more, it’s clear that Moore is aggressively trying to make the Royals into a contender in 2009-2010, with the caveat that he won’t do anything that might hamstring the Royals from building a year-in, year-out juggernaut in 2012 and beyond. In that vein, I understand why he’d sign someone like Farnsworth over Juan Cruz, who several readers have pointed out is a Type A free agent and would have cost the Royals their second-round pick. All Farnsworth costs the Royals is some of David Glass’s money. If you’re of the opinion that the Royals are still two years away from contention, then this move doesn’t matter one way or the other.


But if you’re of the opinion that the Royals can contend in 2009 or 2010 – and so long as Zack Greinke is under contract, I think they can – then you have to ask yourself, was there a better way to spend this money to win more games over the next two years? Maybe Glass’s bank account is inexhaustible, and there’s still money left in the till for Furcal. But if there isn’t, then Moore just blew his chance to sign an impact everyday shortstop for a hot-headed, over-rated, meatball-grooving middle reliever.

by djk royal on Dec 11, 2008 2:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Glass is willing to spend an infinite amount of money
But if there isn’t, then Moore just blew his chance to sign an impact everyday shortstop for a hot-headed, over-rated, meatball-grooving middle reliever.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry

And by the way, this is a shitty way to try to make the Royals a contender in the short-term.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Is there anyway KC says Farnworth failed the physical after signing Waechter

and pulls the offer off the table. I would love that ruthless move.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure, they could do that

But they want him. Inexplicably they want him and they want to pay him that much money over two years.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

would herpes cause him to fail the physical?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dayton is a born again Christian. He doesn't allow that.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So Is This

Guy.

And he’s no longer a homosexual, either.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

who is that?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Colorado evangelical preacher who was once a big wheel

…until he got ratted out for buy drugs and sharing sex with some guy in the city.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 11:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It is encouraging that KC is thinking about adding Furcal.

I thought they could get payroll to 90-100M with a renovated stadium its nice that they are actually thinking about it.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think they are thinking about that for a second

I think Moore is working hard to try to trade Guillen. The only way the Royals have enough money to sign Furcal is if Guillen’s contract goes bye-bye. The payroll won’t be anywhere near $90M, imo. They aren’t particularly close now (about $77M now.)

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good luck with that Dayton

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Furcal+77M = 88

I don’t see Guillen going anywhere in this market. What’s his value in this market? I just eat it hope he comes to camp in shape and performs his way out of KC.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right and I don't think there is any chance that Glass is willing to do an $88M payroll this year

I think the Royals pursuit of Furcal is happening at the same time they are desperately trying to trade Guillen. Of course they are very unlikely to succeed in that effort, but I appreciate Moore working at it.

You may be willing to just “eat it” and throw another $11M at Furcal, but I don’t think Glass is willing to do that with his money. He’s not Steinbrenner (the elder or younger).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fuck Glass.

He has a ridiculous amount of money and could easily support a 100MM dollar payroll.. pisses me off he just cant go up to 88 mil

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not to mention revenue sharing + his business is booming + renovated stadium.

$88M SHOULD be the minimum KC fans expect, not the max

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With very, very few exceptions, pro sports owners don't put their own money into the payroll

The re-invest revenues into the payroll, after taking some profit. These big money enterprises are usually run like businesses, not hobbies. By all estimates, the Royals are spending a very normal percentage of revenues on their payroll.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

But Do Take

The profit when you sell the franchise. I wish Mark Cuban would buy this team. He’s nothing like Mr. K, but he wants to win and knows he’ll make money in the long run.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Mark Cuban pisses me off, but he’ll sink money in, and strikes me as a guy with a progressive mindset for finding people to run things

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, absolutely agree

He’s a side show but the Royals would definitely be winners soon.

by kabrink on Dec 12, 2008 12:01 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and they'd get nice terricloth robes, too!

At least he’d be banned from the dugout

It would make me want to work for the Royals, except that I’d probably have to hang out with him on the road to keep the job…

“Screw Fangraphs, D_F, let’s go get hamered with Farns and JoGui!”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 12:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, at least at this point,

The KC writers should finally be assuming that Guillen’s the one that has to go if Furcal is coming.

It was getting a little old seeing, “The Royals can afford him, but they’d likely have to trade or non-tender Buck, Teahen, Bale, Gobble, Peralta, and probably Sluggerrr to free up enough room on the payroll”, while they ignored the giant elephant in the room.

by Top Ramen on Dec 11, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

12 pitchers

Meche
Zack
Davies
Hoch
Banny
HoRam
Waechter
Farns
Mahahay
Tejeda
Bale
Soria

In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.

by Matty486 on Dec 11, 2008 2:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Zack – 1
Meche – 2
Davies – 3
Banny – 4
Hoch – 5

LRP – Ho Ram
LRP – Bale
MRP – Tejeda
MRP – Waechter
SU – Mahay
SU – Farnsworth
CL – Soria

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think I'd rather have brad penny over furcal...

call me crazy but that 3-4-5 isn’t confidence inspiring.

by Bart41 on Dec 11, 2008 2:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Davies Claims to have figured something out.. if thats the case that would be awesome because he did preety damn good last year

Hochevar hopefully he shoes his number 1 overall pick potential

banny is the one that worries me

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Peralta is better than one or two guys in that 12

And yet he’ll probably get non-tendered. Another mistake.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

better

is such a strong word, he’s comparable, not better

In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.

by Matty486 on Dec 11, 2008 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not better than Waechter?

He’s at least comparable to Farnsworth.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nope

peralta = blows

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, he doesn't

The stats over 3 years tell a different tale. He had a flukey/unlucky HR/FB rate in 2008. Over the last 3 years, Peralta has been as good as Farnsworth.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jose Lugo

would have a spot in that pen wouldnt he ? who would be the odd man out? Bale ?

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Traded to SEA for cash

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

really ?

i thought you guys were just kidding

what a waste of a rule 5 pick

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not really....

if there was no one that we truly liked then take someone and get a little cash. I know it isn’t much but better than nothing. It was probably an arranged deal.

by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There isn't much talent out there

The rule changes make it much more difficult to find an Uggla or Soria. The only players worth a spit IMO were Veal and Morlan. The rest aren’t likely to stick.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I read on the other

thread that we sold him to Seattle…..is this accurate?

by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know it is just one year...

but Waechter was WAY better than Peralta in 2008.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right

one year. Look at a 3-year sample. Look at Peralta’s flukey hr/fb luck. THIS is how you find, acquire or keep good, cheap relievers. You don’t dump cheap guys like Peralta and acquire expensive guys who likely aren’t better like Farnsworth.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

when does flukey

begin to = gives up an obscene amount of HR’s becuase he sucks?

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Honestly

he hung curveballs badly.

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Research has shown that HR’s are a function of FB’s. A pitcher is likely to give up a HR on about 11% of his FB’s. Deviation from 11% is about luck.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

So getting Coco was brilliant!

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't buy that

deviation is about luck argument. If you are gawd awful, you are going to give up more HR’s because you suck, not because of bad luck.

By that logic, you could call up any average, no potential A pitcher to MLB and expect 11% of his flyballs to leave the yard, and be throuroughly shocked when 25% of them do.

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have you read the research?

It is quite persuasive and widely agreed to. We’re talking about major league pitchers here, not anyone off the street or a 17 year old in rookie ball.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

but who is judging Peralta as a MLB pitcher?

Isn’t it possible that 07 was the abberation, and ’08 was the real Peralta?

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 3:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What an odd question

Career ERA of 4.45 in 248.2 MLB innings. Does that sound like a major league pitcher to you? Think a random A-ball pitcher or guy off the street can pull that off?

Struggled but held his own in his rookie season. Pretty good 2006. Good 2007. Bad/unlucky 2008.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

go ahead and say it.

Shitty, embarrassing, make you wanna puke, 2008

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And when evaluating a player, the most recent season is all that matters

Batted ball luck and HR/FB luck should also be ignored. Hey, let’s just look at his number of IBB’s, that should tell us all we really need to know.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

and rec’d

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amateur scouting is better than statistical analysis

If you say so.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Condenscending tones

Are the last resort to every lost argument

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You ended the argument by saying that your subjective amateur scouting judgment is worth more than any and all stats. Do you know what hubris is? Objective, rational measures are worth much more than your or my subjective amateur scouting opinion…buy a lot. But I won’t argue with your irrationality. It won’t go anywhere. Keeping trusting your own scouting eye.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Did I say that? I dont remember saying that? No wonder you dont get my points, you read into them what you choose, as opposed to what they say

I never said my scouting eye is worth more than statistical analysis, I implied that I TRUST my eye more than I trust statistics from >1 year ago.

Statistics are valuable. They are valuable to validate or invalidate what we see with our eye. A guy may look glossy as HELL to the eye – Shane Costa. But the stats don’t validate what the eye sees. On the other hand, the eye could tell you a guy will never produce – Mike Aviles, and the eye is wrong.

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yes, of course that's what you said

“I don’t care what the numbers were…I saw a bad pitcher.”

I never said my scouting eye is worth more than statistical analysis, I implied that I TRUST my eye more than I trust statistics from >1 year ago.

So you’re scouting eye plus one year of stats is all that is really important. Stats before that don’t really matter? Wow.

They are valuable to validate or invalidate what we see with our eye.

What you and I think we see with our eyes isn’t one-tenth as trustworthy as the stats. Are we good, experienced MLB scouts? So should our fan opinion of a guy’s stuff and control mean more than his actual performance. Please, you can’t be serious. Tell me you’re not serious.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is so typical

from everything that i have ever read by NY……people think differently. You love statistics……some people like them but they are not the end all be all. I hate the ridiculous stats that are used today but understand that we need them to evaluate players for past and future performance. There is also scouting that doesn’t involve stats. There is a place for both of them. It doesn’t make one right or wrong in my opinion or for that matter one more or less important. Just because we are amateurs thought doesn’t mean we can’t tell with out eyes who is a great, good, decent, poor, or horrible player. I respect your opinion NY but just happen to not agree with all the statistical analysis. Just love the fact that in the end we just all hope for us to get a winner back in KC.

by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You love statistics……some people like them but they are not the end all be all.

I completely agree. I think good evaluation requires both stats and scouting. I think good MLB scouts add something vital to player evaluation. I think the scouting opinions of fans like me and you is worth very, very little.

I think scouting reports and the opinions of good analysts are worth a lot. Fan scouting opinion is just not very reliable or meaningful.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

with you 100%…..our eyes are not anywhere near a scout’s eye, but we can pretend to think we know who is a good player or not. I just think that it’s great that a team like the Royals can have such passionate fans after years of failure. The year they were in 1st place at the break and in contention in August was truly incredible and wish it could happen every year.

by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

IMO, I don’t think future projections are reliable or meaningful. I’ve been hearing a lot of those numbers thrown around about how many wins players will add and what they will hit based on projections.

There is no way of knowing what a signing will do or wont do for a team until that season happens, just ask the Tampa Bay Rays.

by I need more Esteban on Dec 11, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BP's own PECOTA

predicted the Rays breakout year. PECOTA is known widely as the most reliable projection system.

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Dec 11, 2008 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the same reason I don't buy Stadium Adjustments

When the Royals had the worst bullpen of all time Kauffman was one of the best hitter’s park in the game… Hmmm… I wonder why. If every player were equal these arguments would hold, but they aren’t.

by AxDxMx on Dec 11, 2008 4:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

looking at a three year sample is not advisable

since Waechter’s previous 2 years were as a starter (before labrum surgery), so his stats are bound to be worse.

The other thing is, Peralta is way older and probably on the decline. Waechter turns, I think, 28, next year. Peralta may have been unlucky, but I also think age will be catching up with him, because he also had pretty heavy workloads for a reliever in 2006 and 2007. Peralta wasn’t simply the victim of bad luck.

And don’t confuse my argument—I’m not contesting Peralta vs. Farnsworth. But I am saying that, in all likelihood, Waechter > Peralta.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From one year of relieving stats, you feel confident in saying that in all likelihood Waechter > Peralta? Peralta put together multiple good relieving seasons. We don’t know if Waechter is the real deal or not.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't see the support in the statistical record

Nor do I think Waechter’s combination of stuff and control is better.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Moore has already checked his teeth

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

rec'd

subtle, yet brilliant

This space intentionally left blank.

by marbotty on Dec 12, 2008 1:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, duh, you're not going to see it in the statistical record

that is because Peralta’s best years (the 3-year sample you talk about) came when he was 30 and 31 years old and in his prime. Waechter just last year or so entered into his prime. Peralta is on the decline, he’ll be 33 by opening day and is unlikely to be any better. Waechter should be decent for the next several years.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 11, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The decline curve for pitchers is not the same as the decline curve for position players

It can start to get steep for position players at 33. It isn’t at all steep for pitchers at 33, especially relief pitchers.

And my point is that you have very little data on which to draw any kind of conclusion that Waechter is better than Peralta. He may well be, but that small sample of relief work isn’t enough. I’d rather go with a known quantity that is pretty good and shouldn’t experience much decline at his age.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Especially If He's

Cheaper.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and Farns.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Uh, he's only making the minimum

therefore, he’s not as good

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

13 hitters

c olivo
1 jacobs
2 callaspo
3 gordon
ss aviles
dh butler
lf ddj
cf coco
rf guillen
c buck
ut teahen
if shealy
maier? german?

In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.

by Matty486 on Dec 11, 2008 2:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Something's got to give at 1B

I don’t think they can go into the season with Butler, Jacobs, and Shealy all on the roster.

by Top Ramen on Dec 11, 2008 2:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually if we got furcal

we wouldnt need german or maier..

there for Jose Lugo would be in our pen

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Missing Gload

You might not want to see him there, but he’s under contract. No sign that he’s being traded or released.

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on Dec 11, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or

olivo
jacobs
aviles
gordon
furcal
ddj
coco
guillen
butler
buck
teahen
shealy
callaspo

In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.

by Matty486 on Dec 11, 2008 2:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

DM still has a lot of work to do on this roster

He is by no means done

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 2:57 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

no

i disagree big time

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Where is he getting the money from?

Or do you think he’s going to trade a bunch of players?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im just saying.

It could go either way. maybe he miraculously gets the green ligh for furcal.. maybe he signs some shitty ass o-cab.. maybe he trades some players but i know he probably isnt done

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably trade a bunch

Teahen will probably be dealt, possibly Guillen (not counting on that). And don’t forget Greinke for Franceour.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

only way guillen is traded

A) if the royals eat at least half his salary
B) if nothing is given back in return

by royalsreview on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take (B)

In a heartbeat

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been preaching B) since at least August

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

there'll be a stupid Hillman quote to argue about

every week or so as well

can’t forget that

by royalsreview on Dec 11, 2008 2:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We still have Gload!!!!!!!!!

and TPJ for that matter

Mike Jacobs you're 2009 AL MVP

by eboston on Dec 11, 2008 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i want to see a TPJ vs. Farns Rec-Specs goggles showdown on the mound....

who can fire the straightest, hardest fastball? kinda like a circus act type of deal.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 12, 2008 2:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

easy now.

TPJ has more movement.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Dec 12, 2008 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell

wheres all the Furcal rumors at today

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Gammons

On the radio today said he thought Furcal would sign with KC for what its worth

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just to clarify

That is his speculation, not some inside info or a source telling him that, right?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Probably his speculation

Based on inside info he has

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gload

I don’t think there is any way he makes the team. Who is he in for? non tendered. And then all of this is worth while.

In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.

by Matty486 on Dec 11, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

not what i meant

I meant just released. sorry about that.

In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.

by Matty486 on Dec 11, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hope so

The bench could be

Buck
Teahen
utility IFer
Gload

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If There Is

A god (help me here, DY and BrR) the bench will be :

C Buck or Pena
UI German or Callaspo if MI acquired
Teahen 4 Corner guy
Shealey 1B/DH

If Hoagie is traded then Teahen moves to RF, of course. I don’t care who takes that bench slot if this happens.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've been away and missed a lot; here are my thoughts

1) NY and I have had debates in the past about the relative merit of putting all your eggs in one basket; i.e., I’ve been in favor of signing one impact bat that you KNOW will produce, even if said bat costs 15 or 18 million. I think some of the misguided moves of this off-season sorta, indirectly, make my point. Mediocre players simply cost too much, and probably should be avoided, if possible. Unfortunately, Moore is impatiently trying to contend in 2009-10 instead of the more realistic 2011-2013 timeframe, and his farm system still lacks the depth needed to “fill in” the roster with mediocre players, so he is overpaying for them on the market.

2) I am happy that Glass may be increasing payroll to at least near the level I think his market can support – I still say the Royals should have a payroll somewhere in the mid 80 million range in 09. Mind you, I wouldn’t say this if Glass himself wasn’t on the record as saying he was content to break even and not make a profit, and had the Royals not turned a significant profit during both 2007 and 2008. A normal return on investment is about 10%; so with Glass saying he does not require the team to be profitable, that adds a good 10 million to the payroll they could theoretically support each year, because his original investment was around 100 million.

3) I think it is pretty clear that Moore believes this team is closer to contending than most other experts do. While I find that pretty hard to justify, I certainly hope he is correct.

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Dec 11, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Agree on all three points

Re: (1) this reminds me of how we couldn’t afford Jermaine Dye, but we got Neifi Perez, Michael Tucker and Brent Mayne, who made as much as Dye.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that GMDM

knows he can win 81 games. This coupled with the payroll may help to open up the books in the near future. We’ll have some Moose, Hosmer, Giavotella, PITCHERS, and then have money to fill in the wholes and come out under where we are now with the ability to inflate the payroll. It looks like a plan in the making.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Dec 12, 2008 9:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha.

i know..

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

like I said months ago

make sure and leave the K before the players do

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd bet a paycheck it doesn't happen

I think we are engaging in some very understandable wishful thinking. Given the day’s events, it is a needed defense mechanism.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you're that confident that the Royals will sign Furcal?

Why? What am I missing?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Give it time lad.

give it time

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or it could be

That he’s so happy he just gives his whole paycheck to the Salvation Army

by labbadabba on Dec 11, 2008 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why couldn't the 70M payroll be GM Speak?

Glass is in a good spot financially maybe GMDM feels KC spot to contend is now rather than later.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So you are guessing (without support) that Glass would be fine with a $88M payroll?

It is possible, but I think it is unlikely. If you think it is likely, why?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it is likely

but I don’t think it is entirely unlikely. KC has a new stadium coming and has an opportunity with a rebuilding youth organization to build a longterm winner. Maybe Glass sees that? Also look at KC’s overall organization Glass’s NW Arkansas team is the gem of AA ball there is gonna be talent at the upper levels of the Royals minor league levels soon and Glass is doing well with his personal finances. You say that an owner doesn’t put his own personal money in a team but if he is doing better financially he is more apt to spend some extra do ray mi thats just true no matter how you look at it.

KC has an opportunity to build a longterm success with the rise in talent on the lower levels and maybe Glass/GMDM think now is just as good a time as ever to make that jump. Alot of these deals are also short term liability with the exception of a Furcal deal if that would happen.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

KC has a new stadium coming?

Those renovations don’t have anywhere ear the revenue impact of a new stadium.

I’m sorry, but this sounds like wishcasting. I hope it happens, but it isn’t realistic.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We were sold

by the Royals as seeing 90% of the revenue boost of a new stadium.

They have to live up to that or have hell to pay IMO

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 3:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"hell to pay"

What does that mean? Jackson county residents are going to be grumpy? Grump all you want. It ain’t happening, and no one should have swallowed that line of bull.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The renovations are still going to make Glasses original 96M over 300M that is solid.

I think it is realistic for these reasons.

The Dodgers haven’t been a team to offer more than 2 years let alone the 4 years Furcal wants.
The BlueJays are having budget contraints just based on the Canadian currency versus the Dollar.
The A’s are the chief competition and would put them in the lead myself but its not like they have endless amounts of money either in fact they are in pretty similar spot financially as KC. New stadium trying to fill it with fans but they are also linked to DeRosa, Giambi and Randy Johnson.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't the Canadian Dollar

Pretty strong compared to the US dollar right now?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Very

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I heard someone on the radio

yesterday say that it just dived with the rest of the international market? No?

by I need more Esteban on Dec 11, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really??? Hmm

its down 20% for the year. $1 canadian was worth 1.01 January 1, 08 today its worth .82

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

$1.82!

I thought the Canadian dollar was still strong against the US$

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

thats $.82

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

$11.82?

Wow!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bluejays Team Value

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

crap it cut it off

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you have a Royals team value graph?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

take it from me… the Canadian dollar was very strong (although it never exceeded the U.S. dollar, not for very long), relatively to the rest of the post-Trudeau era, but it’s taken a dive again, at least relative to the dollar, as others have known.

I love it here, but between the Charter of Rights and Freedoms and the currency, post-Trudeau Canada often resembles a politically correct Mexico.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

US Currency Value

The US Dollar made a huge comeback over the last 3-4 months. As traders unwound their trades from overseas they went back into dollars, pushing the demand back up, thus making it more expensive to buy dollars. So it came back. It’s still not as strong as it was though. Plus, part of the reason for the rise in oil prices was the weak dollar because it buys less oil. So the same barrel costs you more. The rise in the Dollar has coincided with oil prices dropping back to low levels.

by AxDxMx on Dec 11, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

From ESPN

Mike (New York): What’s going to be the biggest surprise of the off-season?

Karl Ravech: royals getting furcal and becoming a threat in the al central

by djk royal on Dec 11, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info

I’ll give my take on it now: if Karl Ravech says it, it must be true!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My thanks was genuine

I’ve spent so much time yacking about this that I haven’t been checking MLBTR or any of the talking heads. I appreciate the heads up.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well then you are welcome.

I’ll say this at the risk of being mocked by many but with Furcal the Royals could realistically contend in 2009. 89 games won the division last year. The addition of Crisp and Furcal would improve the depth of this team tremendously both offensively and defensively.

The Royals for once would have the potential to be above average in pitching and defense and a chance at being average on offense. The fact that he accomplished this while simultaneously building the farm system would deserve major kudos.

by djk royal on Dec 11, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ll say this at the risk of being mocked by many but with Furcal the Royals could realistically contend in 2009.

I think that depends significantly on how much these 3 signings have improved the bullpen.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think they could do it without furcal

but he obviously makes it easier as our top of the lineup would be HELL ON WHEELS!!

Furcal
Crisp
DeJesus

Although i think I like Aviles more in the 2 hole. 2 leadoff type guys… what a problem to have with crisp and furcal.

by AxDxMx on Dec 11, 2008 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

except that Aviles was super lucky on BABIP and still only OBPed .333 against RHP

…with a .313 batting average. I’ll take the under.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Batting Orders Revisited

Against RHP:

Crisp CF (because it is inevitable and he’s a SH) CF
Furcal SS
DDJ LF
Hoagie RF (because he’d be a big baby otherwise)
A-Gor 3B
Jacobs DH
Butler 1B
Aviles 2B
Buck/Pena

Against LHP:

Crisp CF (see above)
Aviles 2B
DDJ LF
Hoagie RF
Furcal SS
Butler DH
A-Gor 3B
Olivo C
Shealey 1B

This leaves a bench of Buck/Pena, Callaspo, Shealy/Jacobs and Teahen. Against RHP’s, I find a lot of playing time for Teahen somehow. Hoagie’s nagging injuries would usually oblige; I’d keep him out of the DH slot and even on the DL as much as possible. Maier on the bench would be a better option.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 12:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The difference between Ramram's '08 and Farnsworth's projected '09

is around 2 wins. that pretty much cancels out the most optimistic Crisp upgrade projections.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it would probably be better to compare

Farnsworth’s projected ‘09 vs Ramirez’s projected ‘09. They won’t be the same, but it will be closer.

by kcdc1 on Dec 11, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

almost one win

I compared the years that I did, though, because we’re talking about the team improving over /08. Ramirez probably will regress, but he’s not bck — Farns, a below-replacement pitcher, is in his place.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good sign that a few pundits seem to think this

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

what is this a response to?

no offense meant, just can’t line it up with anything!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Click the "up" button

Royals, NBA, Golden Hurricane, Hawkeyes, Chiefs, and KU basketball, in that order.

by Rowyal on Dec 12, 2008 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ok

you probably kill my teacher’s salary, except how could you make money when you type 50,000 words on this site per day.

In the Royals game of life, Neifi Perez is the rake.

by Matty486 on Dec 11, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You'd be surprised

What am I missing, guys? Why do you think the Royals will get Furcal? It must be more than optimism and a gut feeling. What don’t I know?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Us = Positive Outlook

You = Negative Outlook

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

Realistic outlook. I try to look at things realistically so I don’t get blindsided one way or another. So your prediction is just based on optimism? You want him to get signed. I get that. I want it too.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok Realistically

Realistically he has declined the A’s offer

Realistically he has a 2 year offer with an option from the dodgers which he doesnt want

Realistically the blue jays are probably hardly in it

Realistically the royals are said to be the front runners even in the situation they are in from a lot of people

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Things will come back to earth soon. It may take up to a week.

The payroll budget is not infinite.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and realistically

maybe he really, really liked GMDM from their time together in ATL and sees a future in Royal Blue working for his boy DM?

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and realistically

No one on the corner has swagga like us

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Players sign with a team because they want to play under a particular GM?

Since when?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're kidding, right?

Most of them have been waiver claims and minor league contract signings. That has nothing to do with a friendly relationship. Offer those guys $30K and they’ll come running. Then there were the trades, which obviously the players had no say in.

So who are the former Braves that Moore has wooed to come here and who agreed to sign here over other teams because they were such good friends with Dayton Moore? Mahay? Have any evidence of that? Anyone else?

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes im kidding

Sarcasm alert

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Farnsworth!

HoRam!

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Think Adam Dunn future Bluejay...lol

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 3:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

that would be funny

I’m not sure we should feel very smug about J. P. after today, but ymmv

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They were actual arguments, yes

I appreciate that. It’s much better than your gut or optimism. But there is little reason to believe the Royals can afford to eve match the A’s offer (which is still on the table) much less top it. And the Dodgers are likely to up their offer. And then there’s the Blue jays.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The best only good thing about his signing.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pic?

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bizarre

Why is the kid on the right photoshopped?

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That kid is like 10

and a huge METROSEXUAL already..

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Matt, you have mail

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The absolute worst part about this Farnsworth signing is....

He’s guaranteed to be dogshit, and we will continue to run him out there. Because we owe him 9 million dollars. Just wait and see how many games this guy loses us the first couple months of the season. To me it’s not even about the money, it’s about the awful numbers he’s going to put up over many games because we owe him SO DAMN MUCH MONEY.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

everyone said the same about HoRam

OH HE’s gonna lose so many games for us

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They also said the same about Tomko

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually, McClure will struggle to get the Prof to be as good as Mr. Shultz

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, we didn't pay HoRam 9 mil over 2 seasons.

He was a freebie. If he sucked, we could have dumped him.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 3:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya ya ya

im just saying give the guy a chance..

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If it was like, 1 year, 3 million that would be fine.

But WTF, afaik Farnsworth has never had two good back to back years. If his ERA is below 4 it will be due to an act of god.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

God is Dayton Moore's close friend

So we’ve got that going for us.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I’m with you, slayor, I’m just laughing because yesterday we were arguing over whether 1 or 1.5 would be OK for Farns. If you had said he signed for 1/3 we would have been furious…

now it woudl be a relief

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Moore has given him a chance

I’m not going to pretend that he’s likely to be good, or even average.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Im not saying he is gonna do good

im just saying none of us know what he is gonna do.. give him a fucking chance then bitch about then

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Think about how much we'd bitch if he gave David Eckstein this deal

note: David Eckstein is a better baseballplayer than Kyle Farnsworth at this point

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not bitching about Farnsworth, it's not his fault he sucks and GMDM still handed him 9 milli

It’s Moore’s fault for thinking we need to pay 9 mil over two years for an over the hill fireballer with lackluster control that lacks movement on his fastball.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 3:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

If Farnsworth sucks, it’s gotta be at least MOSTLY his fault, right?!

by kabrink on Dec 11, 2008 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the devil made him serve those meatballs

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Taking a cheap flyer on a guy who you think has some talent makes sense. I have no problem with the Waechter signing. If it doesn’t work out, no big deal, release him. If Farnsworth sucks, it really hurts given the investment.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm excited about Doug... Waechter profiles good for the bullpen...

90-93MPH fastball, very good slider – he can be successful with those two pitches. I think he could be a solid pickup. His numbers were skewed last season due to a 5 run outing and one other pretty awful one I believe.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yea

That signing actually looks pretty decent

At least in comparison to the others

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

it defines "taking a flyer on a guy"

as opposed to…

oh forget it

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I call it

The Gload Effect

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NY

would you be offended if the royals signed furcal and i said

HAHA NY FUCK YOU I WAS RIGHT HAHAHAHA

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Can we just give away Guillen and sign Adam Dunn instead?

Please jesus? One time baby?

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely not

Dunn’s OBP is WAAAYY to high for this team

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He clogs the bases

And he doesnt’ care about baseball!

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean as long as you wouldnt take it personal.

you can do the same to me if we dont sign him

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Please do

seriously. I’m looking forward to being wrong.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

(just don't do it for too long)

You gloat a little. I’ll apologize profusely and say I was stupid to doubt you.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I mean, I don't think I'll be wrong, but if I am, that would be great.

I hope I’m wrong. I hope we sign Furcal. I hope Farnsworth turns it around and dominates.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I must be the only one that isn't thrilled about the idea of signing Furcal

Back problems = scary. Plus, I want to see what Callapso does over a full season.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 4:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Callaspo i think would be good

but he is no furcal..

now if my choices are O-Cab or Callaspo… HAHA i take Callaspo every time

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"Don't Take The

O-Cab" Duke Ellington

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 1:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Furcal on the Royals

but 4/44, while it might make the team better, also increases the amount of “dead money” that might be on the roster. It’s an overpay, even assuming 85% playing time, I think, which Furcal is unlikely to get. Even if the money is available, having more bad (if smaller) contracts on the roster only makes the risk of such a deal greater.

in other words, the Farns deal is horrible whether it has any affect on the rest of the ROyals FA signings or not.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+15

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+44

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 9:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Paging Joe Nelson.... where are we when we need you?

Seriously though – wish we had held onto that guy.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 4:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yeah really

I just saw his ZiPS projection yesterday and it is tremendous

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Really? I was being somewhat sarcastic

But I do know in like 55 innings last year he was ridiculous

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 4:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ZiPS loves him like crazy

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Always seemed like a standup guy

I wish him success

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Nelson - stand up guy

Yeah, Joe did seem like a nice guy. The year he won the Pitcher of the Year for Omaha, he had actually spent part of the year as the Royals closer I believe and he was in the stands signing stuff. No one was in his line, so I talked to him for a few minutes. I mentioned that I thought he was with the Royals enough that they wouldn’t give him that award and he responded with a little self deprecation in saying it’s not really an award he wanted to be winning, or ever win again for obvious reasons. Joe was a cool guy. Is it too late to trade Jacobs back to the Marlins for Nelson?

by AxDxMx on Dec 12, 2008 1:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nelson was nontendered by the Marlins

I’d rather have him than Farnsy. Cheaper too.

by AxDxMx on Dec 13, 2008 5:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NY

Surely there is a little bit of you that thinks we will get furcal

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 4:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Do I think the chance is greater than zero? Yes. Do I think it is less than a 5% chance? Yes.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he's either going to Oakland or coming to KC

The Blue Jays don’t seem like they were ever serious contenders, and it seems clear that the Dodgers just don’t want to offer him 3 or especially 4 years. It will come down to whether he accepts the A’s offer that is still out there, or whether Glass decides to top it.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think the Dodgers will come up big

They have no other decent SS option. Berroa? Hu? OCab? They need Furcal and they’ll pony up. Or perhaps the A’s who are very motivated buyers for a lot of reasons (not the least of which is Bobby Crosby).

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

And yet a month of revenues for that team equals about 3 months of Royals revenues

I think they want to get Furcal as cheap as possible, so they are negotiating, but they’ll likely get him. Can they afford him? Definitely. Do they want to spend many tens of millions on a nearly 40 year old corner OFer who is a liability in the field? No.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers and As

If the Dodgers don’t want to offer him multiple years, it should be seen as cautionary for the rest of the teams, right? Perhaps it’s just financial considerations.

I wonder if the Royals or other teams that at least seem serious about building for contending can possibly get a better deal with Furcal than Oakland offered. I realize the players all want to get as much money as possible (me too) but I really don’t understand Oakland. It seems like they are really more interested in swinging deals and trying to look like they are the most genius team out there – at deal making. But, this season they were in contention into July when they decided to dump and trade the whole team away. I’ll admit I don’t follow them closely enough, perhaps they were going to lose them all anyway at end of year. But, they just don’t strike me as a team trying to actually compete.

by kabrink on Dec 11, 2008 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Colletti ALWAYS offers every FA...

more money per year, but fewer years. They’re running into the same problem in trying to re-sign Manny. Granted, he’s older and his defense is getting progressively more atrocious, but that’s just how the Dodgers roll.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2008 8:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I say KC should add Shawn Chacon

Guillen, Olivo, Chacon and Farnsworth would win a 4 way tag team belt in the WWE for sure.

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 11, 2008 4:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

All those names

And you’re going to refuse to include the WWE Champion: Milton Bradley?

by Royal from Queens on Dec 11, 2008 7:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

only crappy ballplayers make the tag team

80 games of a typical Milton Bradley season (and that’s about how long they last) = 1 above average player

I’m not exaggerating. He’s crazy, but he’s crazy good.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Can someone

tell me why some messages are highlighted in green and with an *

by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 4:40 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

It meens they were recommended or rec'd

you can do it by clicking actions on someones comment and click rec

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

god i know how to spell

look how i spelled means

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK....

does that normally mean someone liked the comment….lol. Just wondering because i had one highlighted and i had never seen it. I guess they could have hated it too and just wanted people to see it.

by powder blues on Dec 11, 2008 4:46 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You just wanted to brag

That you got a comment recommended!

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Amazingly

It does not appear that Waechter at any point was part of the Braves organization

by raefzilla on Dec 11, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Yes, weird

Obviously Guillen was a Brave, he’s been with EVERY team now. Oh…wait a sec. Hmm, perhaps we’re going to send him there instead?

by kabrink on Dec 11, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

haha.

I like NYRoyal’s real life, no BS style, tho.

But he’s not nearly as funny as the real thing.

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I make color printouts of all my recommended posts, then

have them framed and hung in my “lair”.

(Which is located in my mom’s basement)

Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!

by loyal2sdad on Dec 11, 2008 5:01 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

next to your crocheted Royals blanket?

The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib

by buddyball on Dec 11, 2008 5:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Karl Ravech mentioned

He thinks the Royals signing Furcal would be the most surprising thing of the off-signing and it would be “kinda cool.”

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 8:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

(inappropriate comment redacted)

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He probably thought Ravech was making up a team

“Who are the Royals????”

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 9:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

4-5 on espn 2 right now

Hot Stove special, might not be worth much but still something to watch

by I need more Esteban on Dec 11, 2008 5:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i love ESPN bending over backwards to say

AJ Burnett hates baseball and only cares about money and fakes injuries

but other than that, its balanced

by royalsreview on Dec 11, 2008 5:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nick Punto returns to the TWINS!

he’ll retire as a royal in 2015

by royalsreview on Dec 11, 2008 5:12 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

WOW

Is it going to be fucking fun watching the yankees suck again next year when Burnett goes down in July with another arm injury and Sabathia for some reason (possibly due to throwing 700 pitches on 2 days rest when the Brewers were riding him like barbaro) has a tired arm all season.

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Colletti on Furcal
“We’re focusing on Raffy. At some point in time we’re going to have to open ourselves up to some other ideas,” Colletti said. “Our desire is Furcal, but it has to be creative from our perspective.”

Sounds like they don’t want to go over 2 years + incentives.

by CollininCalifornia on Dec 11, 2008 5:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

so…
1. Jacobs ~ 2.5 mill
2. Crisp ~ 5 mil
3. Farnsworth ~4.5 mill
how many more wins does an extra 10+ mill get us over what we had anyway?

My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!

by AvilesRotY on Dec 11, 2008 5:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

it's been researched

3.77777

And that is not debatable.

by I need more Esteban on Dec 11, 2008 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hahah

I guess my point is if you add crisp and farnsworth (and still have ramram from not trading for crisp) isn’t that 9+ mill almost paying for furcal or dunn/burrell right there?

My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!

by AvilesRotY on Dec 11, 2008 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is quite possibly the best post ever

Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.

by doublestix on Dec 11, 2008 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

gotta keep the signifigant digits right

My stories a lot like yours only more interesting because it involves robots!

by AvilesRotY on Dec 11, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

bringing in TPJ from the pen.

that or T-shirt Tuesdays.

Honorable Mention: Starting Scott Elarton against the Yanks in front of a packed house on George Brett PineTar Shirt Day. Classic KC baseball.

by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 12, 2008 2:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Merry Christmas, HoRam

You just received a 1 M gift from the Royals!

by Top Ramen on Dec 11, 2008 7:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Paulo Ahora!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111109

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 1:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

""Our expectation is that Horacio Ramirez will be part of our starting rotation in 2009," Moore said. "

HUH?

Who’s getting traded?

Because as is, I don’t see a room for Horacio the godawful starting pitcher in the rotation.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 11, 2008 5:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Although....

I’d wager that GMDM is stroking Ho-Rams ego a bit. Basically saying what he wants to hear to ensure as good of an off-season workout as possible, since Ho-Ram has a tendency to go all Runelyphant at times…

He’ll be the #6 starter, LR guy, I’d wager on it

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Like when he lied to Miguel Olivo about his starting job?

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 8:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that was a translation problem!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe That's What

It took to entice the Raminator back to KC; do we have to allow him to fail to get him back to the middle relief role ?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 1:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

tremendous

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

IMO

Grienke and Meche are the only rotation locks. I say let Hoch, Davies, Banny and HoRam battle it out for the other 3 spots.

Mike Jacobs you're 2009 AL MVP

by eboston on Dec 11, 2008 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Davies has a spot locked up

Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.

by doublestix on Dec 11, 2008 5:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

I look for Banny to rebound and have a much better year. Hochy is going to get better and better and I don’t care who is in the 5 spot as long as it’s not Ho-Ram… He doesn’t belong in any starting rotation as far as I can tell… Maybe spring training will prove me wrong.

by FretFriendly on Dec 11, 2008 6:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hedging your bets

You need 2 starters from Hochevar, Banny, HoRam. If Banny gets lit up like a Christmas tree in spring training, you need a fall back plan, and HoRam is it.

by AxDxMx on Dec 11, 2008 5:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Knew I was leaving out someone

That being said, if Hardy can pitch in the big leagues I will eat my Royals hat. And man, do I have a dislike for Duckworth.

by AxDxMx on Dec 11, 2008 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

spring training stats = awesome evaluation tool

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well he sucked in 2008

and what other possible evaluation tool could there be before next year?

by AxDxMx on Dec 12, 2008 1:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow this Jordan Parraz looks really good.

speed rating – 87
Patient Hitter good OBP
had a 95-97 mph fast ball ih high school e.g. ++ arm
Good Gap power
Why the heck was he languishing in A ball?

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Dec 11, 2008 6:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Aviles syndrome hopefully

Yes, many of us are still asking why Aviles was so long in coming – both from Omaha and back from his intense 1 game “opportunity”.

It would be cool if this guy could also be a surprise, ala Aviles & Soria

by kabrink on Dec 11, 2008 7:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This may have already been discussed...

…but can anyone explain to me why DM thinks it is even conceivable to have Horacio Ramirez would be a starter this season? I haven’t followed Ho-Ram closely, but at a glance, he looks TERRIBLE. I understand we need a lefty starter, but let’s at least consider someone who is okay.

Royals.com: “Our expectation is that Horacio Ramirez will be part of our starting rotation in 2009,” Moore said.

by FretFriendly on Dec 11, 2008 6:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He signed with the Royals

because we will give him a shot at the rotation. He won’t necessarily end up there. I would highly doubt he does, but there’s a chance.

by AxDxMx on Dec 11, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my theory

can be found approximately 8 inches above your post

by GoBabies!! on Dec 11, 2008 6:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HoRam 2009 = Tomko 2008

hopefully not in terms of final results, but definitely in contract signings.

by Top Ramen on Dec 11, 2008 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hahaha

I just read up a little ways.. apparently this is being discussed right now…

by FretFriendly on Dec 11, 2008 6:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Is it at all possible...

that there is a bigger ASSHOLE organization in the history of professional sports than the New York Yankees? From Heyman’s Hot Stove blog regarding the stalled Cabrera-for-Cameron trade:

The Brewers are balking at the Yankees’ request of a few million dollars to offset Cameron’s $10-million salary. And while Cameron may be slightly overpaid, it’s easy to understand Milwaukee’s thinking on this one. The Brewers just lost out on prize target CC Sabathia by being outbid by the Yankees by close to $60 million. At this point in time, they are in no mood to contribute money to the mega-market team.

Nothing like the brass balls that hubris and more than a billion dollars will bring you, huh Hank? What a dick.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 11, 2008 6:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Red Sox

are just as much the evil empire as the Yankees and their fans are more irritating – if that’s possible. It is.

by kabrink on Dec 11, 2008 7:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if someone else already listed all these details,
Born in Wichita, Kan., Farnsworth would get $4.25 million next year and $4.5 million in 2010. The deal includes a $5.25 million club option for 2011 with a $500,000 buyout, and Farnsworth could make an additional $750,000 per season in performance bonuses.

The Royals also agreed to a $1.8 million, one-year contract with Horacio Ramirez and a $640,000, one-year deal with pitcher Doug Waechter, made a minor trade with Seattle and completed another deal with Houston.

Ramirez, a 29-year-old lefty, made 15 relief appearances with the Royals this season. He was 1-1 with a 2.59 ERA in 24 1-3 innings.

Waechter, a 27-year-old righty, was 4-2 with a 3.69 ERA in 48 relief appearances for Florida this season. He allowed 63 hits in 63 1-3 innings.

“Our expectation is that Horacio Ramirez will be a part of our starting rotation in 2009,” Royals general manager Dayton Moore said. “Waechter will come in to provide depth to our relief corps.”

Ramirez can earn an additional $900,000 based on starts ($150,000 each for 15, 18, 21, 24, 27 and 30), $250,000 based on innings ($50,000 each for 185 and 190, $100,000 for 200), and $500,000 based on relief appearances ($100,000 each for 17, 25, 33, 42 and 50).

The Royals also selected left-handed pitcher Jose Lugo from the Triple-A Rochester roster of the Minnesota Twins in the winter-meeting draft and traded him to Seattle for cash.

Kansas City acquired outfielder Jordan Parraz from Houston to finish the trade that sent minor league pitcher Tyler Lumsden to Houston on Nov. 24 for a player to be named or cash.

The 24-year-old Parraz will be assigned to Double-A Northwest Arkansas. He hit .289 with 31 doubles, three triples, six home runs and 42 RBIs last year for advanced Class A Salem in the Carolina League.

Too much to read through all over again.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 8:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for posting that

I needed to vomit again.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 9:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Manny feels negleted may retire
Manny needs attention or else he will retire

I say we take him out to dinner, buy him some jewelry and get him to sign a one year $1.5 million deal with incentives.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 9:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We could do that

and/or just give him his own tv show and we will lie to him about his ratings. You tied Oprah this week Manny! Now go hit us a HR… and don’t forget, you never, EVER cut off a throw from Coco!!

by FretFriendly on Dec 11, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great thinking there Manny.

Most likely just dropped your value another few million a year.

Go Royals!

by BabyBlues on Dec 11, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

AWWWWWWWWW!

I’m Bob Dole and I approve this puppy.

by minda33 on Dec 11, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

That is her at about 8-9 weeks old.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

very cute

enjoy the “I learn with my mouth!” Phase. I understand it only last from 2-8 years.

(winky face)

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 10:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

(yes, even a wannabe stathead like myself turns into a stereotypical 10 year-old girl when confronted with baby mammals. I love the zoo).

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just put on a dress, you pansy

Enough of this BS. Ignore the puppies and get back your spreadsheets, Poindexter.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Don't listen to Mr. Crotchety....

Maybe we can all chip in and by NY a puppy to make him more cheerfull…..I picture him a poodle lover.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, but a teacup poodle then

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How bout a Labradoodle?

They are hypo-allergenic.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 11:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If you must

But I was looking for a little toy dog. Something I can dress up in little pink outfits.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My 80 Lb

Chesapeake/Chocolate Lab mix is very cute in her pink collar. It’s monogrammed “Tillie” (her full name is Matilda). If she’s running loose you’re OK, but if she’s in my car or house she’ll eat your face; very cute.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

or a-waltzing?

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by marbotty on Dec 12, 2008 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She Dances On

Her hind legs when I’m trying to assassinate a squirrel. She loves to play with dead squirrels. I have to kill them once they get into my bird feeders. They won’t leave and will actually attack the birds.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a good looking pup

what type of dog

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Had to put down my 11yr. old Pitbull named K.C.

right before Thanksgiving, after a long and expensive bout of cancer….very tough.

I didn’t think I wanted another for a while but couldn’t resist this one.

She is another American Pittbull Terrier. Her papered name is “Stormshadow”

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a bummer about your 12 yr old sorry to hear that

we had a boxer about 8 months ago that was the nicest dog except it acted a little scary around strangers but he was nice to me and my family.. one day he got in a scuffle with my older dog who is like 15 yrs old and we broke em up and the boxer ended up just attacking the hell outta my dad and tore his arm to shreds as im sitting there not knowing what to do.. so i called the cops and they came out and i just laid on top of the dog as it stay connected to my dads are so it couldnt rip at it any longer. my dad almost passed out from losing so much blood and eventually i pulled on the collar so tight it was choking my dog till near its death then it let go because he almost died.. i didnt wanna be the one to have to kill a best friend though but i was gonna do what i had to.. thankfully the cops got there and got the attacking dog out alive so i didnt have to kill it but i guess while he was out there with the cops he was struggling on the cable thing and suffocated it self.. it was traumatic as hell.. scary..

but on a happier not about a month after that we got a brand new puppy boxer from a breeder and she is just amazing..

the thing with the other dog is we got him when he was 3 which you probably shouldnt do because you dont know the past of the dog.

Werd.

by focs on Dec 11, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes!

I agree though, that’s why I wanted to get a puppy that was as young as possible.

I bet Dad loves coming over to your house now.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

that’s too bad. Never had a pet growing up. My wife talked me into a cat (I know you guys probably hate cats) after a year of marriage, about 13 years ago. He was full grow and, um, a bit unsocial when we got him. This summer when we went on vacation he died rather suddenly at the estimated age of at leat 17 years.

It sucked.

Anyway, sorry to try to piggyback on your loss. Enjoy the new friend.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quite alright...

It is mighty lonely coming home and not having your pet there to greet you.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 11:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that is a beautiful looking puppy

how does one prepare it?

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by marbotty on Dec 12, 2008 1:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

???????

Prepare as in “for dinner”?

Your not right man.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 12, 2008 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

heh

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by marbotty on Dec 12, 2008 1:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What a day. I feel dirty.

You know on TV or in a movie when someone has a traumatic event happen to them and then they do that cliched scene where the person is in the shower, crying and trying to frantically scrub of the stench of the trauma. I feel like I need that.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 9:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Y'know, I felt like that

the day of the Mike Jacobs deal. I think I am now numb to that (or any kind of) feeling.

by minda33 on Dec 11, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This offseason I feel like a punching bag

Remember that old Nintendo boxing game (might be before your time). “Body blow…body blow…body blow. Knock him out!”

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

...the stench of Ho-Ram...

I should clarify before the gay jokes start flying.

by FretFriendly on Dec 11, 2008 9:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel like I've got little Farnsworths crawling all over me

[scrubbing frantically and crying] It won’t come off! No matter how hard I scrub….it won’t come off!!

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Unless an alien jumps out of his abdomen during the exam, he’s going to be a Royal for two big, beautiful $4.625M years.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 9:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I predict

Coco saves two home runs a game for Farnsy.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More than he'll hit all season!

badda bing!

I just flew in from YYZ, and boy is my full of crap tired!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe three!

(duck)

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 9:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I feel much better now

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Calling Tonya Harding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111111111911

(Kyle Farnsworth) Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!! Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've Been Out

All afternoon buying a vehicle and shopping in preparation for a 2 week hitch at work. The second week gets to be kind of a bunker mentality, what with sleep deprivation and dealing with whatever domestic situations can’t be ignored until I get off. Now, I’m going to read this thread; that’s right, I’m going in……….crap, after I go buy hamburger buns. I can do that just 2 miles from my house, so it’s not that bad. I’ll be back.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 9:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This thread isn't one-tenth as ugly as the first Day Four thread

Speaking for myself, I was at least halfway numb by the time I created the overflow thread.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 9:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, just upset about how this offseason has gone

And today was a really bad peak in a bad offseason. It’s kind of difficult to imagine a reasonable scenario in which Dayton Moore spends $16M worse than he’s spent it this offseason. That’s a sobering reality and speaks to how long it will likely be until the Royals make the playoffs. Much longer than I wanted or had hoped.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhh,... your old.

You’ll be out of your misery soon anyway.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 11, 2008 10:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The happy end to any Royals fan's story

The peace of the grave.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Two words to cheer you up

Kevin.

Seitzer.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I need to focus on the positive. Kevin “I can add 50 points of OBP to anyone” Seitzer is here. All will be well. All will be well. All will be well. All will be well.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

TO NYROYAL

sorry about some of the shit i said last night. felt kinda dickish. to be fair, i was super tired and the new royals news kept me up. i still disagree but some of the stuff i said was asshole-ish.

Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.

by doublestix on Dec 11, 2008 10:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not a problem

Farnsworth put me on a mega-rant.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The power of Doug Waechter

Is bringing you two together to reconcile.

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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just when I thought Moore couldn’t get any dumber, he goes and does something like signing Waechter and totally redeems himself.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 11, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+ infinity

L O L

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 12, 2008 10:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to MINDA

i was just skimming your blog…you used to play GOLF? Now that is awesome.

+10 internet cool points to you.

i am not joking though. golf is pretty sweet

Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.

by doublestix on Dec 11, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hell, I Did

Something that the casual observer might not have recognized as playing golf, but on closer inspection I believe it could have been identified as at least a very misguided attempt at doing so. A lot of people play up here, but I pretty much quit when I moved here; too many things to do in the short summer. Hell, I haven’t seen an Oilers game in 2 years.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 11, 2008 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i used to play golf in high school

played for 3 years. quit my last year because the coach was an ass and there was too much politics involved.

anyways, point here is, don’t be too down on your golf skillz. i saw A LOT of bad golfers. i mean A LOT. i’m talking some really sad shit. this one guy i played with was seriously getting 12’s and 13’s on some of the holes, and then CHEATING by saying he got a 7 or 8. not that it really mattered when you are scoring that bad…but it was definitely funny. that’s just one story.

then another time this one dad of a guy i was playing with MADE UP A RULE. now, he thought this was a rule, but i later found out it wasn’t. kind of hard to explain, but bottom line, my coach BELIEVED him and i lost out on a medal by one f’ing stroke because of the penalty.

Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.

by doublestix on Dec 11, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I Played Freshman

Basketball with a rolypoly but very co-ordinated guy named Jim Wiley. I was demoted to 2nd string after a severe ankle sprain in pre-season, but when we needed to break a press we would go to Jim and me to bring the ball up court. I quit playing basketball when I went back to Wyandotte for my sophomore year, and when I returned Topeka West for my junior year I was surprised ti find Jim was a par golfer, getting a lot of press. He never looked like an athlete, and I was a walking anatomy chart. It would be several more years before I got the golf bug and found out why being a superior athlete has little to do with golf. One of my favorite quotes of all time; “Charles Barkley’s golf swing looks like an octopus falling out of a tree”.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's cuz they changed to the Titans

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by marbotty on Dec 12, 2008 1:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Peninsula Oilers

Didn’t.
http://www.oilersbaseball.com/History/activemlb.htm
Present Active Players and Coaches in the Major Leagues
Name Year(s) w/ Oilers Major League team Present Status
Aurilia, Rich 1990 Giants 40 Man Roster
Basak, Chris 2000 Yankees Spring Training Non-Roster
Cali, Carmen 1999 Twins Spring Training Non-Roster
Cervenak, Mike 1998 Orioles Spring Training Non-Roster
Cirillo, Jeff 1989 Twins 40 Man Roster
Doran, Billy 1978 Royals Bench Coach
Drew, J.D. 1995 Red Sox 40 Man Roster
Gwyn, Marcus 1998 Angeles Spring Training Non-Roster
Hale, Chip 1986 Braves 3rd Base Coach
Harvey, Ken 1998 Twins Spring Training Non-Roster
Janish, Paul 2002 Reds Spring Training Non-Roster
Johnson, Tyler 2000 Cardinals 40 Man Roster
Looper, Braden 1994 Cardinals 40 Man Roster
Ludwick, Ryan 1997 Cardinals Spring Training Non-Roster
Magadan, Dave 1982 Red Sox Hitting Coach
Mientkiewicz, Doug 1993 Yankees 40 Man Roster
Mills, Brad 1977/78 Red Sox Bench Coach
Pevey, Marty 1981 Blue Jays 1st Base Coach
Reed, Jeremy 2000 Mariners 40 Man Roster
Shackelford, Brian 1996 Reds 40 Man Roster
Strittmatter, Mark 1991 Rockies Bull Pen Catcher
Teahen, Mark 2001 Royals 40 Man Roster

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 2:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

She does have a good blog

That I need to visit more often

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 11, 2008 10:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you muchly, I need all the cool points I can get.

The 4 varsity letters I got from golfing were the only letters I got in high school. I haven’t played in forEVER because of some major shoulder issues (namely, my right shoulder believes it actually belongs to Scott Elarton), and it makes me sad. I miss golf.

And Retro, thanks. If you visit more, I’ll write more. :)
(Stupid school has its way of getting in the way of blogging…what the hell, college?)

by minda33 on Dec 12, 2008 12:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Jayson Stark's non-tender possibilities

Remember, he’s just speculating. (Yeah, I kind of llike him for some reason. So shoot me)

Pitchers: Daniel Cabrera, Chad Gaudin, Jimmy Gobble, Brandon Backe, Takashi Saito, Tyler Yates, Wil Ledezma

Hitters: Marcus Thames, Gabe Gross, John Buck, Jose Bautista, Chris Burke, Willy Taveras, Jonny Gomes

Any interest? I see a number of guys on there taht could help the Royals in the right circumstances, maybe more.

Marcus Thames is Jose Guillen with less contact but a few more walks, a lot more power, and slightly less shitty defense. Around a 1.5 WAR player. If Guillen is gone, could be a useful platoon guy with Teahen, given that both DDJ and Crisp can play CF. A long-time favorite of mine, I believe he’s at least as good as Juan Rivera, and probably better.

Gabe Gross: Superficially another Teahen, but probably a bit better with the bat. Unlike Teahen, there is little doubt he’s a plus defender on the corners, whatever happenedin the playoffs. A guy the Blue Jays gave up on way too quick. Not a mind-blowing bat, but glove makes him another good platoon/4th OF guy who can be a stopgap starter for cheap. A Gross/Thames platoon could be pretty productive for less than CoCo Crisp’s salary (which isn’t bad, I’m just sayin’…)

Willy Tavaras: He’s no Joey Gathright.

Chris Burke: meh. Didn’t this guy used to be a stud prospect?

Jose Bautista: not a great bat. Can he play defense anywhere well?

Johnny Gomes: Another long-time favorite all-or-nothing slugger. Sort of a white Marcus Thames. Even worse defense. Platoon guy for sure. Like a better, outfield version of Mike Jacobs. I only wish the Royals had another good young reliever to trade for him. Worth picking up for cheap for someone, though.

John Buck: Meh defense, but he’s been better. Has show power and patience in the past, despite weird playing time patterns. I don’t know if he’ll still be around for the Royals to sign, but I think most people realize he’s better than Miguel Olivo. Worth signing if whoever has him is dumb enough to non-tender him.

someone else can do the pitchers (line)

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 11, 2008 11:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Warning! Warning! Alien

Approaching!

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 12, 2008 2:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Totally OT....

How many people here know other people here in real life (or have met at any point)? I mean…since we’re sharing tidbits about our pets and sports histories, it just made me wonder.

by minda33 on Dec 12, 2008 2:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe I read the whole thing!!!!!!!!!!!

This was some good shit: drama, emotion, conflict, and some resolution (if not happy endings—Farnsy: puke.) What the f**k did I do for entertainment before I found this site? Thanks.

by Steve Hovley on Dec 12, 2008 7:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing internet porn

and turning Japanese….I really think so.

Let's Go Blues!

by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 12, 2008 8:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What do you think

we are all surreptitiously viewing on the other browser in our mom’s basement?

by kabrink on Dec 12, 2008 9:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

So do we couple Horacio between Grienke and Meche?

Hard throwing RHP, soft tossing LHP, hard throwing RHP.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Dec 12, 2008 9:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

what about the miracle whip?

and mustard?

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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