Guillen is our best hitter - I dare you to question this
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 9:44 AM EST
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He will hit 24 homeruns and 98 RBI's while having an OBP of .350
He's scored 80 plus runs in those years. Guess who had the most runs on our team had?? Dejesus at 72
Why because he's done this 4 of the last 6 years!!!
You all realize his career OBP is low because he played two full seasons at age 21 and 22 while his OBP was below .300
Our lineup should be:
Coco
Dejesus
Gordon
Guillen
Jacobs
Butler
Alives
Olivo
Callypso
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 12, 2008 9:48 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Aww, now I just think this is all on purpose.
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Dec 12, 2008 9:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
every day is april 1
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 6:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
An over/under of 350 OBP for Guillen.
Too bad that wasn’t a vegas line or I would be a wealthy mammal at the end of the season after he sports a 320 OBP in 2009.
by djk royal on Dec 12, 2008 9:55 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
what about .338 over and under?????
Would you risk your life savings?
You no above is a possibility
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 12:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The best hitter in 2009 will be...
…DeJesus—-provided that he avoids the injury bug. The second best hitter will be Gordon, the third Crisp, and the fourth a tie between Guillen and our cock, chubby friend Butler. …You heard it here first. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 12, 2008 10:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We are going to suck is Crisp is our 4th best hitter ...
because he hits historically like Gload and he doesn’t steal a high enough percentage to create runs.
by Jeff Zimmerman (TucsonRoyal) on Dec 12, 2008 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and our cock, chubby friend Butler
Freudian slip?
by Top Ramen on Dec 12, 2008 12:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I did mean to write...
…cocky. C’est la vie. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 12, 2008 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
timlacy, that was awesome
the Frans acquisition has me giddy or hysterical or someting
you m-fer, I feel like a tool laughing at my laptop like this….
classic
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There's nothing like a...
…gentle, online mocking from devil_fingers. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 13, 2008 11:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry if it came off harsh
I thought it would be mutually entertaining.
Believe me, I’m the master of typos. So it’s nice to see someone else commit one.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You left out Jason Smith
Waiting for April.
by DC Royal on Dec 12, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
so did GMDM
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Dec 12, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
This would be a good year for the following
Dejesus hitting .298 with 15 homeruns and 70 RBI (.360 OBP)
Gordon hitting .282 with 21 homeruns and 85 RBI (.360 OBP)
Guillen hitting .288 with 25 homeruns and 105 RBI (.340 OBP)
Jacobs hitting .276 with 30 homeruns and 98 RBI (.330 OBP)
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
combine that with a decent season from butler
and none of the regulars falling off the face of the earth, and the Royals would be a strong bet to make the playoffs
by kcdc1 on Dec 12, 2008 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think we would all take those #'s without hesitation
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
by doublestix on Dec 12, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I had already assumed Seitzer would make it happen
so those are actually downside predictions
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My god,
if that happens we win it all.
The key here is Jacobs, because I believe DeJesus, Gordon, and Guillen would all approach those numbers. Gordon should get a power spike any time, and DDJ and Guillen, well that’s not that much over what they did this year. Guillen’s BA might be a little high though.
Btw, your trolling is too obvious. Tone it down a notch.
by AxDxMx on Dec 12, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OK - I QUESTION THIS
Mr Glass, this is a pro sports team, not a retail store - run it like one!
by loyal2sdad on Dec 12, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
But what if he...
double DOG dares you?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you question his sanity?
That wouldn’t be entirely unreasonable.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps he meant to say...
“best HACKER”
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 2:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he just forgot to take his meds
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's too bad for all your "relative OPS" and crap you spew you can't read a stat line
Guillen had 97 RBI surrounding with “babies”.
If you weren’t so concerned about his “class” or “image” off the field. He’s our best hitter and it’s time you all just nod your chin in agreement.
And I take my meds daily….with all of your rants you should go see a doctor cause you seem manic
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OBP, SLG, VORP, wOBA
And you give me RBI. yikes
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh whats up you're here
Can’t a play just be “clutch” and be able to drive in runs? For example….Im a mets fan as well (being from NY and all) but know Guilen is MUCH MORE clutch than David “i hit ..245 when it matters and .345 when it doesn’t” Wright
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Clutch
Yikes. Sitting in the middle of the order for an entire season gives you the opportunity to drive in a lot of runs. It doesn’t make you a good hitter.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, did you just say that Jose Guilen is better than David Wright?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I know...
the ridiculousness of the focus on RBI production pulled my focus away from that last statement, too.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is good, though
I need some ridiculousness to pull my focus away from my Dec. 11 trauma.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no he is not better than David Wright...im just pointing out a stat that
you can’t just overlook
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't point out a stat
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by Rowyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
David Wright hit .245 with runners in scoring position in 2008
stat for ya
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He hit
.310 in the same situation in 2007, for those who are inclined to bring up BA repeatedly.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 3:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so why are we giving David Wright the benefit of the doubt in 2007
but ignoring that Guillen hit .290 with an .353 OBP, and drove in 99 runs!!
hypocrits!!!
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're missing the point completely here
There is often pretty wild variance in hitting with RISP. Look at DDJ this year – he was out of control.
You’re really on the wrong board if you’re trying to argue about clutchiness.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly...
if BA with RISP is your primary measure of a team’s “best hitter,” then DDJ wins that debate hands down, no further argument needed, for the Royals in 2008.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And actually
he wins the debate for MLB’s best hitter too.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And by that measure...
Guillen is also a better hitter than Hanley Ramirez. Man, I’m so glad we have Guillen instead of Hanley.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ARE YOU ON DRUGS????
THERE IS A DIFFERNCE BETWEEN BATTING 1ST AND 4TH……OK GENIUS….LETS PUT DEJESUS IN THE 4TH SPOT AND WATCH HIM DRIVE IN 130 RUNS
IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HE WOUDL BE THE MOST TARGETED BATTER IN THE LINEUP
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, there is a difference.
The difference is that, batting fourth, a batter will get many more RBI opportunities than someone batting leadoff.
Do you think pitchers pitch extra hard against cleanup hitters but only sort of try to get leadoff hitters out?
Royals, NBA, Golden Hurricane, Hawkeyes, Chiefs, and KU basketball, in that order.
by Rowyal on Dec 12, 2008 9:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't even know...
what this means:
HE WOUDL BE THE MOST TARGETED BATTER IN THE LINEUP
Do you mean that pitchers would try to plunk him more than any other hitter?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you for real?
I miss joel. He was more entertaining in the same role.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 13, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A stat that you really should overlook
Because it doesn’t describe a skill.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well its not luck....hitting underpressure is not a skill????
than why do we even have a playoff to see who wins the world series???
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahahahahaha
Kansas City Royals: your 2006 and 2007 NL Central champions!
by mazoboom on Dec 13, 2008 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wish someone would tell College AD's and Presidents that
about the BCS
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Dec 13, 2008 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A number that sor of matters, but will be ignored anyway,
here’s the “clutch” number from Frangraphs based on situation
it isn’t meant to describe a repeatable skill, but here are some Royal numbers from this year. Positive is good, engative is bad:
DDJ: 1.14
Aviles: 0.32
Alex Gordon: -0.53
Esteban German: 1.08
Jose Guillen: -0.28
Billy Butler: 1.11
MITCH: 0.14
TPJ: 1.41
TONY PENA JUNIOR IS THE ROYALS BEST HITTER — I DARE YOU TO QUESTION THIS
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It was surprising what percentage of TPJ's hits were actually in important situations
If only there were more hits…
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll just go ahead and remain hopeful that TPJ...
bats in as few important situations as possible. Even in spite of his apparent clutchness.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 6:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember the Hannibal Smith game?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And for the record...
OK, I do question whether TPJ is the _______ best hitter (feel free to insert “Royals’,” “Lawyers’ Softball League’s,” or any one of a number of other possibilities).
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gordon will be the best
he’s the only guy we have who might have a decent OBP and hit for power in 2009
by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree in that...
…Gordon will have the best OBP. – TL
[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.
by timlacy on Dec 12, 2008 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be nice if he can have a better year than both Jacobs and Guillen
Longoria is a few years younger and hit 27 homeruns with 85 RBI…. Gordon needs to improve
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that Gordon was a much better hitter than Guillen last year...right?
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by Rowyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, he really doesn't
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gordon was garbage last year
look at the numbers…or take it from someone who watched every game….and Gordon missed 20 or so games…..Guillen played hurt
Remember when Butler got sent down and everyone was like, “well, Gordon sucks too ALL HE COULD DO WAS WALK”, why not send him down too??"
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
make me understand because i just can't fathom
how a guy who got demoted to 7th in the lineup, hit .260 had 50 something RBI while Guillen had about a hundred. Gordon only hit 16 homeruns right. Oh, he also struck out 120 friggen times right?, and had less clutch hits all year than Guillen had in a whole entire series (May in NY)
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen .264/.300/.438
Gordon .260/.351/.432
If you know so little about stats and baseball to think that the first player hit better than the second player, then you just aren’t going to be able to speak intelligently to this issue. A handful of cherry picked counting stats don’t help your cause. It makes you look (even more) foolish.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
19 AND 97
VS 16 AND 58!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU RETARTS AND THE MEASURES
i WATCHED EVERY PITCH OF EVERY ROYALS GAME AND THERE WASN’T A BIGGER BITCH THAN GORDON IN THELINEUP…WHENEVER WE NEEDED A BIG HIT HE DIDN’T COME THROUGH
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Gordon
but I gotta say, on this I agree with Gobble. Gordon is weak and is whiffsupreme.
I am praying he will FINALLY become our Longoria. I do believe there’s a better chance of this than Hillman becoming our Maddon. Trey’s gotta get some hipster glasses.
by kabrink on Dec 13, 2008 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're using stats that simply aren't
useful in proving a player’s overall worth.
Your resulting to personal insults is embarassing. Grow up.
Your anecdotal evidence that “Gordon never came through” has no real base in, ya know, reality.
I cover everything?
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 13, 2008 1:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What numbers...
would you like us to be looking at?
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Remember when Butler got sent down and everyone was like, "well, Gordon sucks too ALL HE COULD DO WAS WALK", why not send him down too??"
No?
by Top Ramen on Dec 12, 2008 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm also struggling to remember that
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by Rowyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
umm he hit .218 in June and July combined
but he’s Alex Gordon so it’s ok
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i remember long periods of personal disastifaction with him
but not to the extent that i wanted him demoted
which i actually did with butler
by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well your right in that sense
Butler had no power and i he ain’t hitting in the high .290’s he’s pretty useless
So yeah I agree…..Gordon did show improvement with his patience at the plate which I liked. Ultimately sending him down would have screwed with his confidence so it was wise to keep him up….but if you don’t remember people calling for him getting a free pass and Butler getting sent down on tihs board you should go check….i remember
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is just a crock of shit.
Gordon wasn’t garbarge last year, he improved significantly in the second half.
Guillen played hurt and killed the team when he did. There’s no plus in that.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 13, 2008 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guillen played hurt and killed the team when he did. There’s no plus in that.
But what about GRIT?!?!?111
? He showed those babies how it’s supposed to be done!
by minda33 on Dec 13, 2008 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He should lead by example, then!
Let’s start with, say, an average OBP….that’d be a fiery quality worth teaching the young players.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 13, 2008 2:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
COUNT THE RBIZZZZZZ!!!!111
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 12, 2008 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The #5 and #6 hitters didn't have nearly as many opportunities for RBI in 2008
as in years past. In years past, the #4 hitter was often on base.
by Top Ramen on Dec 12, 2008 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do like Gordon, mostly
but, he is pretty damn hacktastical. I live in Seattle and have actually felt the breeze from his huge whiffs before.
If a butterfly flaps his wings in Brazil…
by kabrink on Dec 12, 2008 3:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He was the most patient hitter in the Royals
if you go by pitches per plate appearance. Does he hit .300 every year? No, but most people don’t.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 13, 2008 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and that's why Mike Schmidt is the most overrated player in baseball history!!!!!111
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OVERRATED clap clap, clap clap clap
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 13, 2008 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just joined RR
after having read the comments for quite a few months now. And GobbleforCyoung is the guy who gets me to join. It’s great comic relief following what happened yesterday.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well I'm glad I have that much of an effect on you
Look I’m pretty objective…i know Gordon will have a better year and Guillen’s antics are annoying and he’s definitely overpaid….but the guy can rake on a team that hasn’t seen a guy hit as well as him in the cleanup spot since DYE
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can accept some of what you are saying about Guillen
namely, that he’s been better in the past
hopefully he’ll bounce back next season
by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't understand the relative value of OBP and SLG
“the guy can rake” basically means he has some good raw power and you don’t care how crappy he is at everything else.
I don’t give a shit about Guillen being an asshole. I couldn’t care less. I care how well he hits and how well he fields. He’s simply not very good.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But did anyone else on our team come close to 97 RBI????
You put Gordon in that spot and he doesn’t hit 80
He was batting .290 before he got hurt anyway….lets see him (and Gordon) come back strong and shut us both up
How can you dismiss him scoring 80 + runs in 4 of the last 6 years?? but he is an OBP mess right?
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 4:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"But did anyone else on our team come close to 97 RBI???? "
No, because Jose was never on base for anyone to hit him in.
by Top Ramen on Dec 12, 2008 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Do you read or just spew???
He scored 80+ runs 4 of the last 6 years. How the fuck does he do that if he is never on base???
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The rate at which he's been on base in the last 3 years is pretty clear
And it’s not good. And the stats over those three years are the most telling for what he’ll do in the near future.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Any chance that you are actually Joe Morgan?
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He aspires to be Joe Morgan
yikes
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know that the number of RBI a player has hit is a horrible way to evaluate a hitter????
of course you don’t. And the number of runs scored? Jeez, are you for real or is this a joke?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why is it a stat then
Oh DC im glad Joe Pos blog is so telling. Sorry buddy but RBI will always be a stat because baseball is about scoring runs and an individual batter gets credit for driving in runs
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it a stat?
They count all kinds of things. It doesn’t mean that they are all incredibly important evaluative tools. Intentional walks (IBB) are a stat. Does that mean they are an effective way of evaluating hitters?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You either didn't read the article
or you didn’t understand it. If you stick around, I’m sure someone will eventually explain it to you in a way you can understand.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You either didn’t read the article or you didn’t understand it.
100% right.
If you stick around, I’m sure someone will eventually explain it to you in a way you can understand.
100% wrong. We’re good here at Royals Review, but we can’t do the impossible.
BTW, gobbleforcyoung doesn’t want to understand. He wants to believe that Guillen and Farnsworth are good, so he’s not going to let anyone talk him out of it. He prefers the reality he’s constructed in his mind over actual reality.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
y0our boy joe pussy doens't realize that gordon could never dream of drving in 97 runs
do your metrics include the FACT that gordon heads explodes when he has a chance to DRIVE IN RUNS FOR HIS TEAM…
gordon won’t drive in 97 runs maybe ever in his royal’s career
you all are so midwestern stupid
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New Yorkers are all about the RBIZZZZZZ
by DCRoyals on Dec 13, 2008 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Harsh, too harsh
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you all are so midwestern stupid
Considering that most the people arguing with you no longer live in the midwest I find that quote funny.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Dec 13, 2008 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That's "northeast stupid."
Please insult me in accordance with my actual location.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 13, 2008 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are a lot of things I could recommend for you to read,
but here is a good start:
http://joeposnanski.com/JoeBlog/2008/11/20/batting-average-home-runs-rbis/
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I spent three years in and around...
Arlington. I love that place.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's great, and so is DC
but most of my friends from college are in NY. I’m here for about a year before law school.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm alexandria
quite nice as well. just a good area in nova and dc.,
by kcdc1 on Dec 13, 2008 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Law school...
is for suckers. Believe me, I was one of them.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+ one million
law school destroyed my soul. true story
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 4:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's mostly
a desire to continue school instead of doing the whole “real world” thing.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why it can be as good as college and you have money for the most part and no homework
im still dating a sorority chick at Suny New paltz and im 27
sorry boys got to run to happy hour
Its been fun and to be honest Guillen kind of sucked last year…but he is not “the 3rd worst corner outfielder in the Majors last year” ahahhaha
watch him be one of the top 30 corner outfielders next year!
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Jose being in the top 30 of corner OF
is unreachable.
I’m just worried that you meant “top 3”
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'd bet he's definitely top 15 next year
and that includes all levels of the KC organization
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 6:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Even NW Arkansas?
That’s where they assigned that Parraz kid, and he looks pretty good.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where do I even begin?
1. In no way, shape or form is law school “as good as college.” In any measurable, definable, comparable manner, law school is light years of suck behind college.
2. The only way I “had money” was because I got to borrow all of it. Which I am now paying back…and will be for the next 15 years.
3. “No homework”???? Law school is nothing BUT homework. Homework that never ends, homework that continues to torture you even when you’re not doing it, homework that never satisfies you that you’ve done enough of it. The only time you ever feel like you can stop doing homework is after you’ve finished your exams each semester.
You seem to know less about law school than you do about baseball.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 5:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
#3
Of course there’s no homework. You don’t have a workbook, so there are no worksheets to turn in on a daily basis.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhh...workbooks
I used to dominate the shit out of my phonics workbooks in kindergarten. Looking back on it, I think I may have peaked academically when I was 5.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To his credit,
I think he was referring to the real world, not law school.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gobble proves degrees are more about
money than intelligence
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Dec 13, 2008 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and so we realize that gobbleforcyoung
was just fucking with us the whole time. works like a charm tho. nothing can get nyroyals’s panties in a bunch like citing RBI’s as a meaningful statistic. it’s like stat-head heroine. you know you should obstain, but it’s just so tempting…..
by kcdc1 on Dec 14, 2008 12:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Relying on batting average is even worse
…well, at least it offends me more.
The immoderate moderator
by NYRoyal on Dec 14, 2008 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I think it’s well within reach for Guillen to rebound next year.
This argument is pretty stupid though.
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
by doublestix on Dec 12, 2008 6:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
+2
btw, don’ t know if you missed it in the midst of yesterday’s RR Apocalypse (Part XXXVII), but I appreciated your comments on Valbuena (the guy the Mariners traded away). Didn’t know much about him. I really rely on you insights on prospects, since I don’t follow the minors much, especially outside the upper levels of the Royals org. And the “scouting” perpsective (even from a well-informed “amatuer” such as yourself) is important, especially for the younger guys where the numbers aren’t that telling (or however the right way to put it is).
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 6:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and in defense of RBI's
There really is only one way to score points in baseball, and that is driving runners across the plate. Guillen does deserve credit for delivering 97 points to the Royals with the bat in his hands. Sure, he wasn’t the only cog in those scoring plays, and sure, if you’d put someone else in the same situations, they might have done even better, but 97 RBI’s is worth something. It’s sort of like if you were given a choice between having had a 15-5 pitcher with a 6.00 ERA or a 5-15 pitcher with a 3.00 ERA last year. The win totals, like RBI’s, aren’t particularly indicative of the player’s skill, and you would sure as hell want the guy with the low ERA going forward, but 15-5 does more for your team than 5-15, even if it is dumb luck.
by kcdc1 on Dec 13, 2008 11:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RBIs are a useless stat when evaluating players
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Dec 14, 2008 7:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno
for all the talk about Jose Guillen’s problems with OBP last season, I don’t hear much complaining about his 20 HRs and 97 RBIs!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 14, 2008 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
His 20 HRs and RBIs sucked
Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.
by NHZ on Dec 14, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't write off the argument
Everyone needed to vent after yesterday, it seemed. GobbleforCyoung was a perfect candidate.
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 7:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
for a scapegoat, that is.
He was even defending the Farnsworth signing!
by DCRoyals on Dec 12, 2008 7:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he will be better than ramirez next year
how does taht sounds dcdumbass
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It sounds "midwestern stupid."
Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.
by NHZ on Dec 14, 2008 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
to be honest Farnsworht might be worse than Yabuta...(i cant really defend his signing unless he pitches like he did in Atlanta!!)
but some of youguys are so dumb its fun
by GobbleforCyoung on Dec 12, 2008 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want to rec this comment
for all the wrong reasons.
by minda33 on Dec 12, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
do it
its funs
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, rec'd
But only because there’s no “Golden Unintentional Comedy” action.
by minda33 on Dec 12, 2008 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish other people would pick up on my not-very-nice
mocking rec. It makes me feel like less of a jerk.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait...what is happening?
GobbleforCyoung, can you make a coherent point or argument about anything? Please?
My head hurts.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did this discussion really take place?
Jeeze.
I’m not sure if I wish Guillen is our best hitter in 2009 or hope that this kid is wrong. I’m just not sure if it’d be a good thing or a bad thing if it is the case.
by Royal from Queens on Dec 12, 2008 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will just say this
For three months last year Guillen was a very solid hitter unfortunately for three other months he was Tony Pena Jr. I’ll give him July as his injury month but April was just his own personal laziness not coming into camp in shape.
Guillen when he wants to play and is putting effort on the field is still a very solid solid hitter I don’t think after watching him in May-June anyone can really deny that. Yes it would be nice if he drew more walks but with his I just don’t think that is gonna happen he is a free swinger who can turn some good pitches into good hits.
Jose Guillen is the physically most gifted hitter on the team and I only think Alex could even enter that conversation but Guillen is also a headcase. I will be extremely happy if he just comes into camp in shape and ready to play.
Looking at Guillens ’08 splits compared to splits in other seasons that he played 100+ games shows that his April/July are oddities. His only other sub .600 OPS months in his career since ’00 were in September of ’05 and September of ’00. Hopefully April was due to his shape and July was due to his injury. The other thing one will notice about his career is that his June is not a rarity since ’00 in the seasons he has played 100+ games he has had 8 other months of .900+ OPS.
My hopes for ‘09 if Guillen he is still on the roster(I have no reason to think he won’t be) is that he comes into camp ready to play and stays reasonably healthy. If he does that even with an aging body he should be able to post a .815+ OPS which with this team would work for me. I know his defense is limited but I am still in the defensives statistics are overrated camp.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Dec 13, 2008 11:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Who's he going to hit?
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