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As Dutton explains:

The Royals are close to a two-year agreement with free-agent reliever Kyle Farnsworth for $9.25 million. Accordingly, they are expected to cut at least one more player from their 40-man roster before the 11 p.m. deadline Friday for tendering contracts to players.

Players offered contracts are guaranteed to receive at least 30/183rds of the club’s offer _ roughly one-sixth of their salary _ as separation pay if subsequently released. No separation pay is provided if the player isn’t offered a contract before the deadline.

Well, maybe he'll fail the physical. Holiday miracles can happen!

Incidentally, Dutton also mentions, horribly, that Ho-Ram is expecting to win a spot in the rotation.

A day later, and I feel no better about the Ramirez & Farnsworth deals. I really don't.

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UPDATE:

  • Dick Kaegel reports that Bale and Gathright have been non-tendered. And Cuevas. 
  • Dutton reports that German has been resigned. Dutton also shares some nice quotes with Moore bitching about the team's payroll and how it may affect some moves. Has he forgotten that he wants to pay Kyle Farnsworth over $9 million??

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haven't done the calcs yet

but I’m pretty sure the Farnsworth deal will make even the probably foolish Ibanez deal look Beane-esque

time to get some bananas…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love the supposed industry wide understanding of defense

and chatter about how its keeping burrell, etc’s value down

then bam, Rauuuuuuuuuuuuuuul

but hey, those magical RBISSSSSSSSSSSSS

by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 10:38 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There's no reason to feel any better about those deals today

Did Americans feel better about Pearl Harbor on Dec. 8?

Also, H. Ramirez making the rotation would be a catostrophe which would make Tomko look like Cy Young. And if that happens, who loses out? Davies or Bannister? Given that the Royals need to find out if both of those guys are legit major league starters, that would be a big mistake. Boy, Dec. 11 is the gift that just keeps on giving.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 10:34 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know... I know...

I’ll keep my fingers crossed on Ho-Ram staying in the bullpen, but this looks like Tomko part deux, without Tomko’s sneaky periods of OKness.

by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 10:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tRA said Tomko was actually above average as a starter last season

bizarre

I love that Doug Waechter is the smartest signing of the Winter Meetings for the Royals

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:39 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, and there was absolutely nothing wrong with him using him there

It really set off the irrational “Tomko is the worst ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111” tone among the fanbase.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Isn't that was precipitated the "exhile"

there really needs to be a “best threads of the 2008 season” poll or sometihng

that one, the hilariously diverse Teahen ones. The Soria-to-the-rotation stuff.

Draft Day Threads were awesome and strikingly friendly (BLOODLINES!!!!!!, Shooter Hunt, Steve Phillips jokes, etc.)

Of course, the last few days have been…

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There was also a great thread for the 2007 trade deadline. Lots of arguing about Davies-for-Dotel and how we should have gotten Balentien, or Hu or Francisco for him. It was a real blood bath.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

should I be excited

or just disgusted…

Ms. Teagan Presley, come on down

Yeah… the monkeys hate the Ibanez deal so much that I’m rechecking all my math

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:36 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that makes two of us

they new “overflow” (ahem) girl is a porn “starlet” neamed Teagan Presley

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:40 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

shes stuck in 2006

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Come on

…she’s an “adult actress.”

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 10:52 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did i miss the main arb deadline?

or is that also tonight

baseball rules= super easy to understand

by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 10:38 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the new dayton rules

expect insanity

DFA Buck

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 12, 2008 10:44 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

did they?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No

He’s just got an irrational anti-Buck thing going.

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by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 10:46 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is jairo on the 40 man?

i thought he was a minor league guy

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 12, 2008 10:48 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Traded to the Braves for Jeff Francoeur

then Frenchy was trade back for Eric Cordier, who was then traded back to the Braves for Jairo.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:51 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As crazy as the Ibanez deal was...

it’s definitely a positive for the Royals. I mean, if a 37 year old LF with no defense is worth a 3/30 contract, then Guillen’s 2/24 remaining seems downright reasonable. Once Dunn, Burrell, and Abreu sign, it may look even better.

I’m full of as much mild positivity about Guillen’s trade prospects as I was about the RamRam-Crisp deal.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

tremendous

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

although I'd rather have Raul than Guillen, given equal money

did I just say that?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:56 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd rather have Raul...

for 2009. You’d have to check in with me after the 2009 season to see which one I’d rather have for 2010. Raul’s production could really fall off the table at his age.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 10:58 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true

but Guillen looks like toast already (I can’t wait to see the results of his “offseason conditioning!”). Raul can still hit.

If Miltno Bradley doesn’t get at least $15M a year, he should kill his agent.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whether entirely rational or not...

…teams are loathe to give a position player that kind of money when they know they can’t expect him to play in more than 75% of the team’s games. I know that his hitting is good enough that his part-time performance can carry the risk to some extent, but I think this goes beyond pure rationality and the numbers.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, I get that

and one thing about guys like Abreu, Ibanez, Dunn (and even Guillen, although it works to the Royals disadvantage) is that they’re horses. It is right to be careful with injury guys… it seems weird for pay them for 80 games of great production.

Let’s face it, right or wrong (and I understand this from the teams’ perspectives, too), Milton’s “attitude” problems have as much to do with his market isses as his injuries.

I can’t get over the 5 WAR in 120 games this year…

He would drive me CRAZY if he was on the Royals though. Even if he was destroying the ball, all the missed games would be maddening. Not worth it for my sanity.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't even know...

how you could do that. It looks like someone slipped in some sort of “gag” ball right before that hit. One that had super glue or something on it that made it stick to his hand.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 11:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

imagine if manny ramirez did this

or the supposedly horrible gloveman barry bonds

the ravechites would want blood

by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 11:05 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow. Bonds wasn't THAT bad

and he was a genuinely great defensive left fielder in his 20s

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:07 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's pretty eerie...

it’s like a miniature, pixelated version of my face.

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 10:57 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not anymore

His defense was once pretty good…then it hit the wall going about 60 mph. It’s genuinely bad now.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 10:59 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no

worst defender in the majors this year in almost every metric

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:00 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

still a sweet hitter, even if he is declining

he was about +22 runs or something even with very little power. Walks, baby.

Marcels has him as a +15 hitter next year.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:01 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, -11

i don’t know all the details, but he does use both STATS and BIS sources as well as regression. He’ snot using straight UZR and Dewan’s, either, because I think he’d get in trouble. He probably will be able to use bUZR next year, it wasn’t out in time this year. Anyway, those “raw” stats are OK for some things, but they tend to be a bit all over the place. Abreu’s numbers were just especially awful this year.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:06 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry

one thing about Abreu is that I still think he was really underrated all those years. He was really, really an amazing hitter in his prime.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:02 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Anyone see that Rosenthal is talking about...

the Braves entering the bidding for Furcal? Of course, it appears to be nothing but pure speculation (otherwise known as guessing, or “pulling a story out of your ass”).

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 11:07 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I've heard that before

I’m still impressed that a squirrel could become such a prominent sports reporter

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:08 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heard a rumor that I'm supposed to spread around

A-Rod to the Royals for TPJ and a coffee table.

(The Yanks are holding out because they want some frequent flyer miles as a throw-in)

by minda33 on Dec 13, 2008 2:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In other news

That was a stupid comment that a soberer person wouldn’t make.

by minda33 on Dec 13, 2008 2:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

50 minutes!

pack your bags robinson tejeda

by royalsreview on Dec 12, 2008 11:09 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if tejada gets cut while HoRam and Farns get signed, then

…there’s nothing to do about it

ugh

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be yet another shocking and amazingly stupid move

I’m going to assume it isn’t going to happen and hope I don’t get surprised

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 11:19 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Buck gets non-tendered, that would be even worse, from my point of view

I hope Stark was talking out of his ass on that possibility

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:25 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

If Ramon Hernandez has trade value, then Buck’s got to be worth SOMETHING.

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 11:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not totally unreasonable

he was explicit in saying that they were “possibilities”

I dunno. For a “mainstream” reporter, I sort of like Jayson Stark for some reason.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 12, 2008 11:37 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's fine

All of those guys (including the best ones and the worst ones) love reporting any rumor they hear, regardless of the source, regardless of whether it is fifth hand knowledge, regardless of whether even they think it is credible. And they freely mix rumors and their own speculation. They don’t hesitate to trowel out this news-slop because it is what people want and there is no downside to reporting something baseless which turns out to be not true. Gammons has reported at least a hundred trades and FA signings as being done, close, or agreed to which never actually happened.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 12, 2008 11:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's a byproduct of the 24-hour (or 24 minute) news cycle and this lovely thing we call the Internet...

you’ve got to have something new to say every few hours, or else you don’t get as many hits and people stop paying as much attention to you. If all you did was report the items that you were confident in and/or could confirm, you’d be completely lost in the fray.

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 11:43 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

His interviews with Petro...

are usually pretty good. He is less “formal” than he is on ESPN’s regular broadcasts. And unlike most of the other national guys, he is aware that the Royals exist, and generally keeps up with the moves they make and has actual, informed opinions about them.

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 12, 2008 11:41 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unfortunately, we probably won't know until Dutton reports on it

His normal articles don’t come out until something like 4:00 am. Confirmation on who got signed, tendered and non-tendered before the deadline might not come until the morning, in which case, the news won’t get posted to the KC Star’s site until late morning at the earliest.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 12:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yep

Dutton’s hours are 9 – 3.

by kabrink on Dec 13, 2008 12:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what's the countdown on Jenna Fischer

moving from the top of out “celebrity safe lists” (pretend i have one for a minute) to “I never want to see her on TV again. Not for another year”status.

I still think she’s got a while for me, but you never know.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:15 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you mean

until she annoys you?

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:14 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:16 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but wouldn't that make her hotter?

Who is your vote for the tool. I agree it will happen.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:22 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

present

I hereby resign from this post.

by Home Run Tony Cogan on Dec 13, 2008 12:14 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JoPo on Farns

If you haven’t read it, it’s at the end. Needless to say, Joe’s smart enough to hate this signing. Then he does the “DMGM is smart blah blah blah” thing at the end. But he closes with this zinger:

I will also pass along what one longtime observer of Farnsworth said: "The good news is it’ll reduce wear and tear on Joakim Soria’s arm. Because now, he will never, ever be given a lead."

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:18 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah seriously

don’t they have phone numbers at the bottom of their stories? i’ve seen joe po’s and i’ve been legitimately tempted to call him and be non chalant, like, “Hey Joe, you’re the best, man”.

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Dec 13, 2008 12:31 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Considering that Mellinger hasn't had a new post on...

his blog for almost a month, he may not be the guy to call. Has he been writing regular articles?

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 13, 2008 12:32 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, Mellinger

still has the national baseball beat, but its infrequent. Haven’t had any “ball star” entries in forever. They weren’t the greatest posts but they were regular and sometimes had good tidbits.

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Dec 13, 2008 12:34 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I wondered that myself

I’m pretty sure he’s a younger guy, so he’s likely lower on the pecking order seniority wise in the news biz.

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Dec 13, 2008 12:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

joe has facebook?

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by marbotty on Dec 13, 2008 12:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bill James, Rob Neyer, Dan LeBatard,

Rany, “Vac,” and

probably Buddy Bell, too.

Allard.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bob Dutton

At your service

816-234-4352

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Dec 13, 2008 12:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's his personal cell phone

Don’t wake him up.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 12:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LeBatard Once Emailed

Me, saying he would light a candle in the igloo of devotion for me listening to him regularly despite the fact that he came on at 300AM in Alaska. I told him I was probably the only person in Alaska who knew who the fuck he was, and he should worship me. I listened to him driving home from music gigs.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 13, 2008 2:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

indeed

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 14, 2008 1:49 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so

he is INDEED the picture of athletic excellence after all.

by kabrink on Dec 14, 2008 3:12 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can't believe I'm saying this

But the Nationals re-signing of Willie Freaking Harris for 2/$3M might be the underrated move of the offseason. And by Jim Bowden of all people.

-4 Hitter, -7.5 for LF, 14 defender = 3.420 for NL replacement = 23.4 = 2.3 * expected playing time = about 2 WAR. Even though an arb-eligible year (bought out in the deal ) would be 40 cents on the dollar, that’s still a great deal for the Nationals, since a player of similar quality would be about $10M on the market.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:31 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Ibanez got 3/30

Bowden should have tried to get Rollins for Harris

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:33 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Harris sucks...

he only had 43 RBI’s last year. And just 13 HR’s.

Oh, and you are all a bunch of idiot Midwestern assholes.

Sincerely,
GobbleforCyoung

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 13, 2008 12:39 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

13 HRs? Seriously?

Are you sure those aren’t career numbers.

Wow, he really didn’t suck.

bizarre

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:43 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Seriously.

I was rather surprised, too. Those aren’t his total HR numbers for his career, but last year DOES appear to be his career year in many categories. OPS+ was 98.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/harriwi02.shtml

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 13, 2008 12:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Damn it.

I was going to come up with something witty, but you are correct. I am an idiot midwestern asshole.

by Warden11 on Dec 13, 2008 12:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The RR Hall of Fame

1. Joel42
2. billybutlerformvp
3. jmoney42
4. steve phillips

Will gobbleforcyoung get in? Cubsfreak getting suspended might be his own equivalent to wartime service.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

5. devil_fingers

don’t sell yourself short :)

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by marbotty on Dec 13, 2008 12:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if/when Ross Gload leaves the royals/enters the circle of fame/whatever

Joel needs to have his own “remembering” post

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

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by marbotty on Dec 13, 2008 12:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It Was A

Rope. No shit, a rope.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 13, 2008 2:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2009 Marcels and CHone's defensive

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Those numbers are pretty impressive considering he gets most of his PT in LF

I guess that shows the value of very good defense and a pretty good OBP

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 12:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ANY UPDATES!?!?!

I am kicking and pouting like an infant

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 12:40 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bob Dutton reports

that Joel Peralta is trying to peek through minda33’s drapes.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:41 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have an update

My wife is shockingly uninterested in the non-tender deadline. What gives?

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 12:42 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think she'll be fine

just explain exaclty who Esteban German is, then she’ll get it

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As is my fiance...

fortunately, she is firmly entrenched on the couch watching a Bridget Jones movie in which I am equally uninterested. Stalemate.

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 13, 2008 12:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

does she know bob dutton?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's Out Of

Town, too………………..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…………………….

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 13, 2008 2:46 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bautista joins the Devil

in the non-tendered former Royals club

BTW, MLB Trade Rumors has 16 teams’ tenders updated, and some of those come from official sites. I never thought I’d utter these words, but where’s Dick Kaegel when you need him?

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 12:45 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if we don't get him because of ho-Ram's contract

i will be more upset about that than not getting Furcal and Christina’s Kahrl Mark Ellis disrespect combined

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

hey, when did willingham become a national?

and could we have pulled off a similar trade?

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by marbotty on Dec 13, 2008 12:55 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he's got a vaguely acceptable OBP

we don’t need that passivity in the clubhouse

the angels won a WS like 6 years ago donchaknow

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 12:57 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Oh...

Different Willingham.

by Warden11 on Dec 13, 2008 12:58 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was a while back

I don’t remember… right after the world series I think. Right after the Jacobs thing. Some minor leaguers. Don’t know how good they were.

+ 13 hitter, – 8 defender, -7.5 LF, + 20 NL replacement level = 17.5 = about 1.75 player. Hmm. Something doesn’t seem right.

Anyway, yeah, below average player, but pretty good. A lot better than Jacobs.

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, it was a while ago

He got flipped for a couple of C-level prospects. It happened not long after the Jacobs trade, and I remember reading it and thinking, ‘why the hell didn’t Moore make THAT trade?’ Willingham for a couple of marginal prospects? Yes, please.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 13, 2008 1:45 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ty? I Thought

He resigned.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 13, 2008 2:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bale and Gathright

Per official site “Hot Stove Blog”

http://comment.mlblogs.com/search?blog_id=47511&tag=Royals

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:00 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

great

Marcels has Bale better than any of the Dos Crappy Amigos

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tres

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bale hasn't proven himself like farnsworth

and have you seen how massive farnsworth is

he’s a power arm no doubt

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Non-tendered...

that’s what you get for punching a door with your pitching hand.

"Quit trying to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring...besides that they're fascist. Throw some groundballs. It's more democratic."

by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 13, 2008 1:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1 on gathright

not sure how i feel about bale

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 1:04 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

he just shouldn't use such a stupid voice when he's in the costume

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Given Dayton Moore's keen sense of the relief pitching Market as exemplified by this week's deal

I’m sure Bale will get $10-$12M

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:07 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I imagine

Moore working the phones the last 12 hours: “But Gathright’s got speed! A lot of speed! And he jumps cars! With a lot of speed!!!”

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bless you man

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:12 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Also Jairo

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:00 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just hope the Mariner's don't step in

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe they can work out a system

Where he plays for each team every other week

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lets merge this biatch

like the kansas city/omaha kings or something

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And that was

Dick Kaegel with the breaking news

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:03 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

god bless him

i don’t think DK is that bad really

i’ve seen worse

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you like DK!

hee hee

/13 year-old boy

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's __ __ ___

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by marbotty on Dec 13, 2008 1:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yes!

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:16 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe Nelson

Non-tendered in Florida

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:06 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you nattering nabob

joe nelson is a weak armed accountant looking pissant

i don’t even think he’s southern either

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:09 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pitcher faces rule

is the Farnsworth deal the biggest “what the hell” moment in a while? Bigger than the Gload extension?

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:26 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i dunno...

the brayan pena trade/pickup has to be up there, especially because he had a major league contract for a day for some legal reason, which really confused people

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 1:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is the worst i felt

since i heard amy adams was playing a nun in that new movie

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:12 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But she's a sexy nun

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

she really is like a glammed up Pam/JF

its scary

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:18 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yea

jim told her to act whiny and dress in shawls and other frumpy stuff when they were dating

he loved it

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 1:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

whom do you think is "bigger?"

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

who

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

having a difficult time coming up with an answer

i guess i’ll say JF

but i really have no idea what she actually looks like

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 1:37 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this one is a tie

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't know much about John Bale

but the more I look at his numbers, the worse the HoRam deal seems.

What would he gave got in arb?

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:15 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

HoRam is the new guillen

just about any and all transactions/game events/random occurance will make you feel that way

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Farns is the new guillen

HoRam is merely the new Gload

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:20 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And Kila is the New Huber

the circle of life

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A good player the Royals give up too much for

Greinke and Butler for Toriiii, Jon Garland signed to fill Greinke’s spot.

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 1:27 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

SO IS ANYONE ELSE NOW WAITING FOR ANOTHER MOVE/TRADE

37+ farnsworth= 38

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on Dec 13, 2008 1:16 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jairo?

What the hell? Is non-tendering him some kind of necessary roster move to get him onto a minor league contract or injured list or something?

by kabrink on Dec 13, 2008 1:20 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They want him,

but they also want him off the 40 man. He won’t be ready to pitch until July at earliest. He’d already be protected with a minor league contract if they could have gotten him through waivers.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:44 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

couldnt he turn it down though

and have the braves claim him again

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think

He’s now his own man, and is free to negotiate with teams not included in the Royals/Braves pipeline. But he’s gotta feel somewhat wanted here.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

German resigned

http://www.kansascity.com/385/story/935313.html

Apparently, you cannot have enough backup infielders.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:22 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just trying to keep it even.

We don’t want to favor the outfielders by having more backups there.

by Warden11 on Dec 13, 2008 1:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

german was useful when he was cheap

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:49 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

New.Market.Inefficiency.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 13, 2008 2:56 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With Bale being non-tendered

it means to me that Rosa will be in the pen

Werd.

by focs on Dec 13, 2008 1:26 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Possible

Yimmy Yobble, Peralta, and Tejada survived the cut today—throw them in the mix with Soria, Farnsworth, and Mahay (all three locks, I’d think). I’d imagine Davies/Bannister/HoRam loser goes to the pen as well (well, Bannister’s got at least one option left). I guess Hoch has options as well if they want to do that instead and keep all three of those guys in the rotation (a step backwards, I’d say). I assume ShakeYabuta remains in Omaha for the remainder of his American baseball career unless he suddenly rediscovered motion for his pitches. That puts Rosa up against the Waechter reclamation project and Ducky for possible spot 7, so I like his chances.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:40 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I dunno

if Hillman promised Moore to use Gobble strictly as a LOOGY, I can see why Moore might have spared Yimmy. Yimmy is only good for getting out lefties, but he is awfully good at it, and his numbers this year means that he probably won’t be seeing much of a raise, if any, in arbitration.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 13, 2008 1:47 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Money's the biggest part, I'd say

Bale likely gets a lot more in arbitration. There’s still this pipe dream of signing a $10-11 million/year middle infielder—gotta save money wherever you can (other than not signing Jose Guillens, that is).

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i read that garbage in the dutton story

i want the royals to win, but i dont have much sympathy for dayt-dog on this one

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:51 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh

and Yimmy wasn’t stupid enough to punch a wall with his pitching hand. When that happened, that was pretty much Bale’s ticket off the team. Could’ve seen it coming from a mile away.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 13, 2008 1:48 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gobble

Might have more value on the market as a cheaper option for a LOOGY for someone else, so keeping him made a little more sense. If they can move Gobble, they may take another run at Bale to a friendlier contract.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gobble's also quite a bit younger than Bale

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:18 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it was the wall

hillman has no use for gobble or love for him

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on Dec 13, 2008 1:50 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I realize my scenario was a big "if"

I will say I am constantly amazed that people drool over how much Trey Hillman works, and yet in those 16-hour workdays, it never occurred to him that he should stop throwing Gobble in against so many RH bats.

by DarthYoshi on Dec 13, 2008 1:52 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sad thing is

cox in atlanta has always been pretty good at managing a pen

dayton wanted the leader of japanese men approach

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 2:02 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just realized

Tony Pena Jr. is still a Royal.

Wow.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:57 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So is Shane Costa

These are the really fascinating spots on the 40-man roster, aren’t they?

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 1:59 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

TPJ AND Pena

Costa AND mitch

by royalsreview on Dec 13, 2008 2:03 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like it.

Don’t you think it’s awesome to be the best AAAA team going?

by kabrink on Dec 13, 2008 2:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

There’s some kind of advantage to a DFA later, like getting the first opportunity to see if they’ll take a minor league assignment, instead of a non-tender making them a free-agent requiring a new negotiation. There’s simply not any room on this 25-man roster for a late-inning not-as -good-as-too-many-people-think defensive replacement at SS.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 2:08 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good point

I hope that is what is going on.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 2:11 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So umm

What do people think about Takashi Saito?
Is his elbow truely finished?

by Royal from Queens on Dec 13, 2008 2:01 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dunno

But I think a number of teams will try to find out—I don’t see the Royals being one of them. We already have a reclamation project (or several) this year.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 2:05 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Other names

Joe Nelson who was mentioned above and Chris Britton.

With Chuck James being non-tendered does that mean a signing by Dayton is close behind?

by Royal from Queens on Dec 13, 2008 2:06 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

306008

Called it 3 hours ago (see way above).

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 2:10 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sorry dude

but there are over 200+ comments. I’m not reading them all.

by Royal from Queens on Dec 13, 2008 2:23 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not bothered in any way

Just want to give credit where credit’s due.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 2:25 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks CC09

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Dec 13, 2008 9:28 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+eleventy billion

ah, the sweet, sweet memories of doing nothing

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by devil_fingers on Dec 13, 2008 12:20 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What were their contract amounts last year?

I thought Bale’s was higher, and I would have anticipated a bigger raise—even though he cost himself a bunch of season last year, Gobble was just dreadful.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 2:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Answered my own question

Bale made 2.2M last year, Gobble 1.3M. Gobble’s not cheap, but he is cheaper. Of course, Bale’s the better value, but this is not the offseason of good value.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 2:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

2008 salaries
Bale 2.2M
Gobble 1.313M

Bale would have been going into his first year of arbitration. Gobble would have gone into his second year. Since arbitration goes primarily by counting stats, and the amount you get is based on a service time comps, I think Gobble will get nearly $2M, while Bale will get little more than the 80% of his 2008 salary which he is guaranteed by rule. In short, I think Bale would be cheaper. Certainly they’d be at least close. And in terms of production on the field, Bale > Gobble.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 2:17 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought of that

Just as I was reading your answer.

The arbitration system reminds me of uniform pay for school teachers based on service time instead of merit—you get a little bump for further education, but it’s mostly about just putting in your time.

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on Dec 13, 2008 2:21 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah really

And the evaluate performance by your last two seasons. And “performance” is heavily affected by playing time. If you play two full seasons, they’re gonna give you a nice bump, especially in your second arb. year.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 2:24 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But gobble

gave up 90 runs in one inning. Twice.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Dec 13, 2008 9:29 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because with Hillman as the manager, Peralta is better than Gobble

Gobble as a strict LOOGY is very good. Gobble used as he was throughout 2008 is awful. Not just bad, truly awful. Peralta is better than that.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 3:27 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But early in the year, Gobble was good vs. both.

So why couldn’t he be both?
I understand the LOOGy argument.

Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.

by 306008 on Dec 13, 2008 10:47 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because he's never been good against RH batters

Not in 2008, 2007 or for his career. He’s very hittable against righty batters and doesn’t get many K’s. He’s only effective against lefty batters.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 11:04 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

frustration

I really don’t understand why the hell Gobble isn’t gone already. He should have been first or second out the door.

by kabrink on Dec 13, 2008 2:20 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe Nelson could be a great pickup

His ZiPS projection:

Joe Nelson – Age 34 3.65 ERA, 69.0 IP, 58 H, 28 ER, 9 HR, 31 BB, 86 K, 117 ERA+

A good ERA with 86 K in 69 IP and a K/BB of nearly 3. Sold.

The immoderate moderator

by NYRoyal on Dec 13, 2008 2:23 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Could the Marlins get any cheaper?

Seriously, sweet jesus. Further proving signing Farnsworth was idiotic, we could probably bring Nelson back for $1mil and have him put up the same damn numbers.

realistically speaking

by slayor on Dec 13, 2008 2:26 AM EST