OT: Carl Peterson resigns as Chiefs GM
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Scott McKinney
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If there was a man in professional football...
who managed to keep his job for a longer period without actually accomplishing any of the major things that are required/expected out of someone in his position (making consistently smart free agent acquisitions, drafting well overall, drafting at least one franchise QB specifically, and making/winning a Super Bowl), then I’ve never heard of him. While Matt Millen was astounding in his ability to stay on through immediate and dramatic ineptitude, he will never beat King Carl in the length and overall breadth of GM incompetence.
God Bless, godspeed…and good riddance, Your Highness.
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by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 15, 2008 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
No one can withstand the combined disapproval of JoPo and Whitlock
be afraid, Negro Leagues Museum. Be very afraid.
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JoPo and Whitlock don't like the Negro Leagues Museum?
What gives?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2008 6:07 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure what you mean
Are you talking about Whitlock’s recent article about that Baker guy?
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reply to both
it’s quite recent. Read Whitlock’s column, then JoPo’s blog. They do both love the museum. JoPo says he’s never going back, though, because of the recent decisions.
It happened with Baird, it happened with Peterson. I don’t live around KC, and never have, but I figure if you do enough to get Joe “The Nicest Smart Guy in Journalism” Posnanski riled up, you’re pretty much f-cked.
I hope they work it out.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 15, 2008 6:31 PM EST up reply actions
also +1
There is no surer sign that you are despised in Kansas City than when a JoePo column comes out tearing you a new one.
Example of Absolute Power Corrupting
Peterson was quite capable when working in tandem with Marty Schottenheimer for a decade but when he assumed total control over football operations his ego and arrogance slowly destroyed the Chiefs as a serious organization. As a warning towards the Royals, out-of-town ownership insulated from the local fan-base greatly contributed to this situation.
by hunter s. royal on Dec 15, 2008 6:18 PM EST reply actions
Don't blame Peterson blame the Hunt family
Jaworski said it best on Monday night football a few weeks ago. There are approximately 10-12 NFL owners in the league that are truly trying to win. The Hunt family falls in the other category.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
With a hard salary cap which every team can pretty easily get to (because of equally shared revenues)
…how much can an owner’s desire to win change things? I’m not really making an argument here; I’m just asking. Since the hard salary cap came into effect, what has the Hunt family done which has hurt or failed to help the team?
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2008 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not a Chiefs fan so I can't answer this fully
but not drafting a QB in the upper rounds since Todd Blackledge and then picking Brody Croyle can hamstring a team. Also caving to RB’s has set this organization back years. RB’s are the most interchangeable parts in the NFL and not once but twice this team has caved to them in the last few years. Also Peterson’s reluctance to trade within the draft has hurt this team. While these were not Hunts moves they were moves of the man put in charge of the Chiefs football kingdom.
The Hunt family have had 2 GM’s in the last 30 years both of which were allowed far too long to run the team into the ground. A owner who wanted to win solely would not have allowed the same to go on.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Ok
So the GM’s weren’t any good and the owners are to blame because they hired poor GM’s and kept them around too long. So the problem is not that the Hunts haven’t been “truly trying to win” as you said above (paraphrasing Jaworski who was speaking generally and not about the Hunts); the problem is that they have done a poor job hiring and firing GM’s.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2008 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
Poor job of firing is an understatement
Peterson’s job should’ve been skinned about 5-10 years ago. If they truly were interested in winning they wouldn’t have let him play go throughout his entire contract. I don’t blame them other than the Chiefs they have no ties to Kansas City and have a profitable business model. Their family has a superbowl ring why should they care that much.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
If they truly were interested in winning they wouldn’t have let him play go throughout his entire contract.
Can’t it just be poor judgment, rather than not really caring if the Chiefs win or not? I mean, if a MLB GM signs a poor reliever to a 2 year/$9.25M contract, he’s clearly made a mistake. But does that mean that he doesn’t really want to win? So again, there is no evidence that they aren’t “truly trying to win.”
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2008 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Trying to Win Championships is what I and Jaworski mean.
In a sport that so easily lends itself to turning a team around allowing a bad GM to over and over again make the same mistake is as being indifferent which is exactly what the Chiefs have been.
Its pretty easy to recognize the owners that care and are trying to win championships from the ones that are indifferent and cashing paychecks.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
In the NFL
, MLB is a totally different animal with hurdles that force teams into indifference.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
In a sport that so easily lends itself to turning a team around allowing a bad GM to over and over again make the same mistake is as being indifferent which is exactly what the Chiefs have been.
No, it’s not indifference. It’s poor judgment. You may think that Carl Peterson has been a shitty GM throughout his tenure but not everyone agrees with that. It would be one thing if he put together shitty teams every year and the Chiefs never had any success. But they did have some success during his tenure. I don’t think he was a good GM. But just assuming that he wasn’t fired because the ownership really doesn’t care who the GM is or if the team wins or loses is an odd, unsupported and unsupportable assumption. But hey, don’t let that stop you.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2008 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Peterson hasn't performed the job well
and just because good coaches like Dick Vermeil and Marty Shottenheimer could coach his limited talent into good records doesn’t mean he did a good job.
Who said they didn’t care who the GM was? Thanks for putting words down for me. They were loyal to Peterson why wouldn’t they be. He created a VERY VERY profitable business for them. Obviously that is more important to them than having a GM who knows what is important with rosters/draft/coaching.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
So they cared about winning, but didn't want to win too many games?
Or maybe they thought he was a good GM. I know it shocks you to think that anyone could disagree with you on that, but it happens.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2008 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Think what you want
but their indifference to their GM performing his job in a capable way speaks for itself.
Try it in reverse what move in the last ten years proves to you they were concerned about winning championships? Was it the Priest Holmes or Larry Johnson deal?
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Ill-advised moves do not signal indifference. They signal poor judgment. Just because an owner, GM or professional sports team does something you don’t like doesn’t mean it’s because they don’t care about winning championships. They’re also not trying to hurt you personally. They thought those moves would help the Chiefs win…including winning championships. They were wrong.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 15, 2008 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
Agree to disagree
there are a couple simple blueprints to winning championships in the NFL. Franchise QB’s or Dominant Defense Petersen hasn’t truly invested in either. I am not a Chiefs fan nor have I ever sniffed being a Chiefs fan so I don’t care at all if anything I find it entertaining.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
+1
I’ve never understood the argument that Carl doesn’t care about winning. Of course he does. He’s just not good at it. Why do people always want to assign nefarious motives when sometimes its just plain incompetence?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
He wore too many hats
CEO, President, GM…I think he could be good at the first two if he hired the right person to handle personnel. I think he has taken more advice from the experts around him in the past few drafts and they have been much better…the failure of those drafts from about 2000 to about 2005 are part of the reason we are here.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Dec 16, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
Your denial of the conspiracy to keep the Chiefs out of the Super Bowl proves that the conspiracy exists
…and that you’re involved in the cover-up.
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by Scott McKinney on Dec 16, 2008 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Quarterbacks
Its easy to say that the Chiefs could have drafted a QB in the upper rounds, but Soren Petro (local radio host) has gone through that many times…the chiefs have really not been in position to draft a sure fire QB in the first round because they have all gone in the 1st few picks. Guys like Tom Brady, who went in the 7th round are obviously missed by everyone, so that is luck. Guys like Matt Ryan et al are always gone by the time the Chiefs pick (maybe next year). You are correct in saying that RBs are essentially interchangeable, but I would argue that QBs are that to a lesser extent. there are a number of veteran plug-ins you can win with if you have the right supporting cast (see Kerry Collins).
NFL GMs appear to be as slow to recognize the value of the LINE as the MLB GMs were to realized the value of OBP. Carl Peterson’s biggest failure was his failure to address both the offensive and defenisive lines effectively. Much of this is bad luck or bad coaching, i.e. signing sure fire D lineman who do not pan out, but clearly signing LJ instead of a proven lineman and getting rid of a proven D-lineman (Allen) for unproven talent may have been his downfall. The latter may turn out to be okay if Albert turns out to be a pro bowl LT, but the former was a colossal mistake and the whole world knew it at the time, this is not a case of hindsight being 20/20.
An example of the DL failure is the emergence of Kawika Mitchell, who was unable to cut it with the Chiefs but was the starting MLB for the super bowl champs…its amazing what you can do when you are not tripping over your own D-line as they are being pushed back.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Dec 16, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Lots of teams fail to draft and develop good QBs. Many others still manage to win with a “manager” like Jake Delhomme, Jeff Garcia or Trent Dilfer.
I don’t blame the Chiefs for not drafting/developing a good enough QB. They have had plenty of QBs good enough to win a Super Bowl had they had a good enough team around them. I blame them for not fielding a good enough team to win it all.
But hey, the 90s were pretty good.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
As an outsider I view the ownership as indifferent
In 20 years of managing the Chiefs Carl Peterson drafted 3 QB’s in rounds 2 or 3 of the draft. Matt Blundin, 2nd rd Virginia ’92 Mike Elkins 2nd rd Wake Forest ’90 and Brodie Croyle 3rd rd Alabama. In 20 years they were never in a position to draft a QB? They picked 8 times in the Top 15 of the draft over that time.
The signings of Marcus Allen, Joe Montana and reupping LJ and Priest Holmes were glossy and pretty deals that did a great job of securing sellouts.
In the end it was not Peterson’s fault that this team that kept this team from being able to compete for a title. It was the Hunt families indifference to give good coaches a talented GM to work with. Also the family has an indifference to advancing the fan experience beyond the game. Teams like the Redskins, Cowboys and Patriots are light years ahead of the Chiefs in building fan experience through their multimedia exposure of the teams.
Whatever they do I hope they don’t try to steal Scott Pioli or another Patriots management member. Falcons did that last year and they are already reaping the rewards damn them. Oh and by the way I find it hilarious that the Patriots were so lucky to get Brady considering they had them with a 3rd round grade and Malone was in their ear from the 3rd round on to pull the trigger. Thank you Lloyd Carr !!!
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
one thing that's interesting about the Pats that I read
(and I might not remember it right, kcscoliny), is that they think QB workouts are pretty much BS. I don’t know how they scout QB prospects, but part of their organizational philosophy is that spending high draft picks (and the accompanying signing bonus) on a QB is not worth the risk. Apparently Del Rio is the same way — at the combines, he usually skips the QB part.
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by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2008 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Ya they have developed a sorta blueprint
of guys they like to draft at that position. The three they have are all similar size and come from similar circumstances. Guys that were good teammates in college and could’ve easily been starting QB’s and for different circumstances were pushed aside. Belichek/Pioli like guys who were pushed aside and kept playing. I think the main reason they like that is because they are more willing to learn and do what they are told. Can’t argue with the results.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
An example of the terrible DL approach
was evident with the pick of Ryan Sims. Was there anyone other than the Chiefs front office who thought that was a good pick?
“Hey, we couldn’t get Julius Peppers, but we got the guy who had the good fortune to play alongside him!!!”
Given the recent prank history on this site...
I was praying this wasn’t a Rickroll. Glad to see Peterson is finally hitting the road. Should have happened at least five years ago.
Herm needs to be the next to go, but I’m almost certain Clark Hunt will give Herm one more season.
Dave Campo Now!
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 15, 2008 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Cowher! Cowher! Cowher!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
Gregggggggg Williams!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
the audiacity of hope
i was working as a runner for the statisticians at Arrowhead when Carl took over. almost immediately you could hear the Darth Vader music a few steps ahead of him. and literally, everyone had to get the f*ck out of the way if he was coming up the elevator. it was awful. everything Micheal Douglass epitomized in ‘Wall Street’ was in evidence.
listen, the guy brought much success in the 90’s (they were awful when i worked there), but what a prick. even at their peak i had a difficult time rooting for the Chiefs simply because of Carl. that he’s gone now feels like Obama won all over again. honestly, a weight has been lifted..
YES WE CAN!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Don't worry Carl -- it's a beautiful day

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Maybe GMDM will sign him for the pen?
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