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Remembering Joey Gathright, the Newest Chicago Cub

In June of 2006 the Royals traded for Joey Gathright. If it wasn't Dayton's first transaction, it was certainly in the first five, and from the beginning it was seen, in a way that in retrospect was basically wholly incorrect, as a symbolic beginning of the Moore Era.

Here's what I wrote at the time:

 

Howell always seemed like a low-upside, low-downside guy to me, someone in the mold of Mike Wood on a good day. As the Royals got in the habit of doing, they rushed him to the Majors, having him make his first start against the Diamondbacks only a year after being drafted and becoming one of the first players from the 2004 Draft to appear in the Bigs.

Of course, the Royals took that low-downside that Howell seemed to possess coming out of Texas and pushed it down further than anyone imagined; culminating in a career 6.19 ERA. Still, Howell is still just 23, hardly cooked as a pitcher, much less as a pitching prospect. But then again, what would a tools-hound from the Braves want with a college pitcher? Better to bet on the 5% chance that Joey Gathright turns into Gary Pettis or Tom Goodwin, themselves pretty limited players. Right? If we can get some random infielder (Cortez) thrown in, all the better.

Still, its a pretty marginal trade all in all. But Howell nonetheless has a better chance of being an All-Star level player someday than Gathright, who's already 25.

On the positive side, with a somewhat fly-ball heavy staff, the Royals might do well to employ Gathright instead of Emil on some nights. Sure, the lineup will still suffer, but at least we might, just might have some decent outfield defense, and the Royals shouldn't be turning down opportunities to be decent at anything.

Ultimately, no matter what we thought at the time, the Gathright trade didn't signal a new emphasis on speed, didn't usher in a series of similar defense first moves, didn't even really initiate a youth movement. Nearly three years later, the Royals, offensively at least, are not really younger, faster or better defensively. In many respects, they're older, slower and more iron-gloved. (For a wider look at Moore's first set of moves, click here.) Point the finger at me, amongst others of varying influence. For two years I probably made five hundred jokes about Gathright's speed and how much Moore/Hillman over-valued it. Perhaps they did, in his specific case, but it wasn't enough of a fetish to really color other transactions.

No, what the move did show, in retrospect, was two tendencies that we've really come to understand this off-season. First, more specifically, Dayton Moore had his doubts about David DeJesus in center from the beginning. From where I sit, its a debatable concern, not unreasonable, but perhaps not worth the resources he's allocated to solve the problem. Those resources being J.P. Howell, Ramon Ramirez and Coco Crisp's salary. If it was a questionable move last month, it was certainly more questionable two years ago, when David was much better in centerfield. Secondly, the Gathright trade was an early glimpse at how Moore likes to operate: he trades relievers. A lot.

For me, the interesting thing about Gathright's time in Kansas City is that most of us seem to have always been wrong about it. Early on, the casual fans and the more old-school media seemed to have loved it, while internet types like me acted like it was the worst move ever. Post-acquisition the Royals started playing Gator pretty much full time, and in 2006 as a Royal he hit .262/.332/.328, an unacceptable line. Despite the assertions from guys like me that Moore would stick with Gathright, play him full-time in center, bat him leadoff and marry off one of his daughters to him in 2007, that 100% didn't happen. Gator didn't join the Royals until June, and when he did, he played almost exclusively in left, and mostly hit ninth. The negativity remained, but the funny thing is, he was damn near the only guy on the team trying to work the count and get on-base, supposedly the one thing us BP-clones thought was important. Gathright hit .307/.371/.342 in 2007 and hardly anyone gave him any credit for it. Weirdly, he was only successful on nine of seventeen stolen-base attempts, which may have contributed to the organization, and the casual fans, souring on him.

Enter Trey Hillman.

While most of us had missed it at the time, the arrival of Hillman was not further evidence of a Gathright ascendency, it was merely a minor uptick in an otherwise downward spiral. Hillman slotted Gathright in center with regularity in April, and through April 24, 2007, viewed him as the leadoff man. With Gathright hitting .266 (I'm going to be a smartass and assume that this was all Hillman looked at, or was motivated by) through the team's first twenty one games, Gator was demoted, and entered into a schizoid usage pattern: sometimes leading off, sometimes hitting second (!) but mostly working out of the nine-hole. Now, it must be said, these batting order positions are, in reality, largely irrelevent and ineffectual in terms of how the Royals perform. What they do reveal, however, is what the team thinks of the player. In this case, the Royals were beginning to see that Gathright wasn't the answer, a feeling further evidenced by the seemingly pointless callup of Mitch Maier in the season's final quarter. Gathright would hit .254/.311/.272 in 2008.

Sometime around mid-season 2008 however, with the increased attention to defense and a realization that, in a good year, Gathright might not be a terrible OBP guy, even an asset, many of us internet/saber-types became more positive on Gathright than the mainstream fans now were. And that's more or less where I stand today. Gathright can be a useful player and an asset to a team in the right circumstances. He's the baseball equivalent of a luxury item, like say one of those minauture wine refrigerators. Gathright has one fundamental limitation: he does not hit for power. I don't mean that in the sense that Mark Teahen or David DeJesus aren't power hitters. No, Gathright does... not.. hit... for... power. In any way. None. Gathight looks at Willie Harris with envy.

He does not hit homers, ever. He does not triple, ever. He does not hit doubles, ever. In 1239 big league PAs, Gathright has a total of thirty eight extra-base hits. He walks, hit hits singles, that's it, and on most team that just isn't good enough. He's one of the most extreme slap hitters in the modern era. Like the wine fridge, he's a waste of money (or in this case a roster spot) unless you have a good enough lineup around him and the right combination of slow outfielders who he can be a super-sub for. He's a National League player. Not because he's fast and the NL is the real baseball and yaaaaa speeeed, but because his attributes can be best used in games that feature lots of in-game roster machination due to the pitcher spot always coming up. On the Royals, he was like a wine fridge filled with $8 dollar bottles of Shiraz.

That the Cubs would sign Gathright so quickly after he was non-tendered, suggests that Moore severed ties with Gator in much the same way he began them: misjudging things. The man clearly had some trade value, but we shouldn't go too far in overstating these things. The Cubs seem like a nice fit for Gathright, but not a perfect one, since they already have a number of solid utility types and are already carrying one impotent outfield bat (Fukudome) anyway.

So, happy trails, Joey. You're one two-stolen base game in July way from being the hero to millions of Cubs fans for awhile, and playing for the Cubs is probably a much funner experience than being a Royal. And if you like drunk young women, albeit of a midwestern variety, then you're going to love Wrigleyville. You likely never read this site, or remotely heard of it, but know that many of the hundreds of in-game comments and snide remarks I made about you were not quite fair. If the Royals were better, I'd still want you around.

 

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Gathright in Royal History

Hits- 78th (201) just behind Bip Roberts, just ahead of Gload
Games- 88th- (258) between Felix Jose and Kevin Appier

by Freneau on Dec 16, 2008 2:48 PM EST reply actions  

Joey Gathright:

408 MLB games with a career line of 263/328/304 and a SB percentage of 74.2%. You will be sorely missed. You just can’t find that type of production anywhere.

Nice write up though.

by djk royal on Dec 16, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions  

Still amazing that he couldn't get extra base hits

With any power at all, a hit into the gap would’ve been a definite double or possible even triple for him.

It was fun watching other teams play him at co-ed slowpitch softball depth though.

by Top Ramen on Dec 16, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions  

I would be curious to see what his LD% was

most of his ground balls must have been dribblers

by Freneau on Dec 16, 2008 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

LD%

2006 16.2%
2007 22.8%
2008 12.7%
Career 16.4%

I don’t know what happened in 2007. Weirdness.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 16, 2008 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

They let him swing

It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.

by kcscoliny on Dec 16, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Seems to scream "fluke," especially

since he was only a part time player.

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Dec 16, 2008 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 17, 2008 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

His was the best nickname I ever came up with

Slappy Joe, you will be missed.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 16, 2008 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

that nickname was inspired

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by marbotty on Dec 16, 2008 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Now my best work is behind me

…just like Slappy Joe.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 17, 2008 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

This post perfectly encapsulates...

…my mixed feelings about Gathright. If there existed a HOF for utility players, he might be eligible after his forthcoming 8-10 years as a bench warmer on teams dreaming of capitalizing on his speed in a playoff series. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 16, 2008 3:15 PM EST reply actions  

Gathright never did manage to make that speed useful....

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Dec 16, 2008 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

outstanding writeup

a lot of fun to read on this very cold, extremely snowy day in Lawrence.

Alex Gordon in '08

by RoyalJHWKR on Dec 16, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions  

We should have traded him to the Twins for Jason Tyner

that would have been fair. Personally I’m sad to see Gator go. Who is the freakish athlete on the Royals that can light up the internet with videos of non-baseball related physical exploits (i.e. jumping over cars)?

We have nothing. NOTHING. Maybe Derrick Robinson. Someone tell Joe Dickerson to buy a camera and take him to the Wilmington parking lot.

Waiting for April.

by DC Royal on Dec 16, 2008 3:21 PM EST reply actions  

Good riddance

I think I was driven to being quite cranky by those that felt the Gathright was better than DDJ. Of course, now Coco’s in center….

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Dec 16, 2008 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

I'm just glad...

I will never have to watch another inning with Gathright, Gload & Pena scheduled to bat.

by djk royal on Dec 16, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Amen to that.

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Dec 16, 2008 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

But now when do I take my bathroom breaks?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Buck was a part of some great innings too

TPJ as well

so many combinations of horribleness

by Freneau on Dec 16, 2008 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Man, I was really missing baseball season

until you all just reminded me how painful so much of the season actually is.

WTF, self?

by minda33 on Dec 16, 2008 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Buck's 2007 was even more awesome that Gators

that first half ruled

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2008 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Gator Will

Figure out how to steal 1B.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on Dec 16, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions  

It'd save his career

Stathead, Zack Greinke fan, and Rock Band 2 singer extraordinaire.

by NHZ on Dec 16, 2008 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

distract the catcher

on strike 3?

Don't Stop Believing!

by KC Chris on Dec 16, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i would contend

that every time he gets on with a quote-unquote hit he’s stolen first base

by benfunke on Dec 17, 2008 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Hillman can't overplay Gathright now

Looks like the OF is pretty Hillman-proof now (except of course that he’ll start Guillen over Teahen, but I don’t entirely blame him for that; Guillen would absolutely lose his shit like never before if he were the 4th OFer).

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 16, 2008 3:46 PM EST reply actions  

Not to mention the fact that...

…Guillen provides better offensive production. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 16, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Total Wins Above Replacement Level, 2006-2008

Replacement level adjusted for league, offensive stats adjusted for park and league

Guillen:

2006: -0.23
2007: 2.41
2008: 0.40

Total: 2.58

Teahen:

2006: 3.0
2007: 2.07
2008: 0.40

Total: 5.47

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2008 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously I was looking...

…primarily at the last 2 years. ;) – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 16, 2008 9:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the Royals...

…paucity of power bats, and it’s not even close in favor of Guillen. Power, power, power. This is why we got Jacobs—-to trade Guillen. GMDM wants at least ONE bona fide power bat in the lineup. – TL

[In 2008] Kila Ka’aihue had the best on-base percentage of any hitter in the minor leagues. - Joe Posnanski, 11/9/2008 ... Ergo, let's give him a shot at first base in KC in 2009.

by timlacy on Dec 17, 2008 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at one aspect of hitting only is pointless

The Royals need as many good players as possible. The fact that someone can possibly manage a .475 SLG doesn’t mean much of anything all by itself. Even in a lineup completely bereft of power, a hitter with a .280/.350/.425 line is better for his team’s offense than a hitter with a.275/.300/.475 line.

So just pointing out Guillen’s raw power and pretending that it is of some critical importance is pretty pointless.

The immoderate moderator

by Scott McKinney on Dec 17, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Guillen would absolutely lose his shit like never before if he were the 4th OFer)

Um, aren’t you forgetting?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by Matt Klaassen on Dec 16, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

i love how we have gibbons on staff

since he’s clearly proven he’s one of the worst managers of personality in the game today and maybe even in decades

by Freneau on Dec 16, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Great writeup

Joey was the first real trade by Dayton Moore, although his first transaction was purchasing Brandon Duckworth from the Pirates.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

i guess i could look this up...

but was Lamar (or was it LaMar) still in charge in TB when the trade went down… i’d hate this to be basically the only transaction he won

by Freneau on Dec 16, 2008 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No, but he did get Kazmir.

Otherwise, he’s Dayton Moore’s long lost product of the Braves scouting department brother.

by RATW on Dec 16, 2008 4:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, it was Friedman

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

sort of an insight into what dayton would do later on

Looking at RR’s link to “Reshaping the Roster” — here’s what I said in July:

So, yeah, that’s primarily my problem with Moore. He blows money for players he can fill internally, and then he trades good pitching away for guys at positions where he already has similarly capable (or better) players.

Seems like he’s done nothing but continue the tradition with this offseason. Farnsworth fits category A, and Crisp and Jacobs are category B. Thank god for Waechter or Moore would have been batting .000 over the last month.

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by marbotty on Dec 16, 2008 4:37 PM EST up reply actions  

nice article

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by marbotty on Dec 16, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions  

15 Career Win Shares as a Royal

That puts him approximately 133rd in Royals history tied with guys like Jose Lind, Dan Reichert, Desi Relaford, Ken Harvey, Tom Goodwin, Chili Davis, Joe Keough and Fat Sal Fasano.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 4:58 PM EST reply actions  

Nice write-up.

Bleed Cubbie Blue transplant here. Cubs fan living in Lawrence getting a graduate degree @ KU. Posted here a few times. Hoping to get a small package of season tickets this season, I like what the Royals have been doing the last year or so. Here’s a review I wrote up of Kauffman back in August; I can’t wait for the renovations to be completed. Talk to you guys soon.

Dan

PS – Opens in new window

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 16, 2008 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

Drink one for me

At the Sandbar.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Ha! The Sandbar...

…it recently got Rock Band, which is really fun to play at a bar when drunk with friends.

Evey Hammond: Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. V: By the power of truth, I, while living, have conquered the universe.

by dtpollitt on Dec 17, 2008 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

My sister was a bartender there a couple years ago while in grad school at KU.

And my mom dressed up as a mermaid and danced on the bar when we went to visit.

Pretty sure I shouldn’t have admitted either of those.

Royals, NBA, Golden Hurricane, Hawkeyes, Chiefs, and KU basketball, in that order.

by Rowyal on Dec 17, 2008 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

2007

truly was a bizarre year for Gathright. Getting on base and barely being able to steal? That’s exactly the opposite of everything else he ever did.

The XBH stats really are pretty astounding. 4 triples in his Royals career. For someone with his speed, that’s pretty ridiculous.

by raefzilla on Dec 16, 2008 8:03 PM EST reply actions  

I still remember

How badly Soren Petro wanted the Royals to trade for Joey G back in the day. Then when we had him, he quickly told us how much he sucked.

I met Joey once. Really nice guy. I even have a picture of myself with him, the only time I’ve ever had the balls to ask a player to pose for a picture with me.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on Dec 16, 2008 10:56 PM EST reply actions  

His worth as a Royal is questionable, but I do think

the NL will be a better fit for him than we were. But he was LOVED in Omaha – last year when he came back for a few games, I could actually feel it in the stadium. Fans were happy to see him, his teammates were happy to see him, even the people in the office had some extra pep in their step when he was around.

And if you ask Joey about it, he’ll tell you a story about how he saved my life once. Except that he actually didn’t, but was totally right there when I hurt my ankle during an ORoyals game once. (I wish I could quit with the stories, dammit! But there’s nothing else to DO in the winter, other than think about baseball and remember good times.)

WTF, self?

by minda33 on Dec 17, 2008 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

JP Howell

Wasn’t a reliever when Moore traded him. So, he doesn’t really fit Moore’s template of trading relievers. He was a left-handed starting pitcher that struck batters out. Something this team needed BAD. Still does, really.

Howell didn’t have much success as a SP in the Majors. But, that was the FIRST time he didn’t succeed in that role. And, considering how dramatically he was rushed to KC, there’s no reason that should have been held against him.

I said it was a bad trade at the time, and it turned out even worse.

by bfos7215 on Dec 17, 2008 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

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