Fangraphs adds Wins Above Replacement (WAR)

Also dollar values per year. Obviously, it's not perfect -- not everyone will agree with the defensive stats, market value, or the replacement level. wRAA (wOBA Runs Above Average) isn't yet park adjusted there. bUZR needs to be completed (in the works), arm ratings are needed, as well as baserunning, catcher defense, and so on. It also seems they haven't done pitchers yet...

But it's still pretty cool. I like(d) doing it myself and pretending to be an analyst. There goes 85% of my posts, which is probably a relief to you all. You don't need me anymore, if you ever did (although I'm happy to see that many of their evaluations met my own).

Hmmmm... since fangraphs also usually carries the James, CHONE, ZiPS, and other projections... well, let's just say it's a good thing BP does fantasy and has EqBRR.

Here are some Royals (and others of interest) WARs/$ values (in millions) from 2008. Remember that for position players, "2" is about average:

Alex Gordon: 2.7/$12.1
David DeJesus: 3.8/$17.1
Mike Aviles: 4.4/$19.8
Jose Guillen: 0.2/$0.9
Emil Brown: 0.5/$2.1
Coco Crisp: 1.1/$4.9
Mark Teahen: 0.3/$1.2
Mark Grudzielanek: 1.6/$7.0
Alberto Callaspo: 1.2/$5.2
Ross Gload: -0.5/-$3.5
Justin Huber: 0.2/$0.9
Tony Pena, Jr: -1.3/-$5.8
Ryan Shealy: 0.7/$3.2
Billy Butler: 0.1/$0.5
Mike Jacobs: -0.2/-$0.7
Mathew Tupman: 0.1/$0.3

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So they are using bUZR projections for the defensive element?

How are they projecting UZR? Chone’s projections?

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by NYRoyal on Dec 24, 2008 4:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

sorry, should have clarified

these aren’t projections, but 2008’s values

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by devil_fingers on Dec 24, 2008 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I just checked

So they aren’t doing it projectively. If they could incorporate some kind of defensive projection (even if it is just a simple regression model), it would be nice if they could assign a WAR for each of the projection systems they have on the player pages.

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by NYRoyal on Dec 24, 2008 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oooo

cool

by ZeppelinDZ on Dec 24, 2008 4:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

more fun

since 2002 (if I added in my head right), Derek Jeter has made $140M, while being worth $104M according to Fangraphs.

Alex Rodriguez has been paid about $171M since 2002, and has been worth about $180M.

Milton Bradley paid $17.5M, worth $72M (although some of these years were pre-arb and arb years)

From 2002-2008 David Eckstein has been paid about $17.5M, and has been worth $43.5M (some years were arb years, I think).

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by devil_fingers on Dec 24, 2008 4:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

One more

Mr. Underrated-then-Overrated-now-perhaps-a-bit-underrated-again 2008, Raul Ibanez:

Paid: $27.25M or so (includes some arb years, I think)

Worth: $44.3M

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by devil_fingers on Dec 24, 2008 4:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think the years of his new contract are taking him back to overrated

Certainly overvalued. I have a strong feeling that he’ll be making more than his WAR is worth in each year of his contract.

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by NYRoyal on Dec 24, 2008 5:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh, I agree

I meant among the “smart fans,” who now hate on Ibanez because of his defense. I’m talking more about the blogosphere perception and how it gets retrospectively projected on the past… As much as Lookout Landing, et. al. bitched about Raul, he earned his money, overall. There’s no way, at his age, that he will in Philly, though

Jeter, too. Although he’s overpaid, for sure, and has been for years… it always swings back and forth. Now he’s “underrated” by the “smarts.”

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by devil_fingers on Dec 24, 2008 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I always liked Ibanez

Actually, when Baird first acquired him, my response was “WTF?!” But it turns out, it was a wise reclamation acquisition. And he has continued to be good for the Mariners.

Jeter, too. Although he’s overpaid, for sure, and has been for years… it always swings back and forth. Now he’s "underrated" by the "smarts."

Could be. It depends how “the smarts” value him. I think most recognize that he’s a very good player overall who is overrated by the mainstream sports media.

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by NYRoyal on Dec 24, 2008 5:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the Ibanez lesson to players

Stay healthy — even when you’re underpaid. Because if you’re healthy enough and put up the counting stats, eventually, somewhere down the line, you’ll be overpaid

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by devil_fingers on Dec 24, 2008 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs