I generally don't like to speculate on random trade possibilities (i.e. trades with no rumors attached to them) but I can't help but notice that the Giants appear to be shopping Jonathan Sanchez.
Sanchez flew a bit under the radar due to relatively higher ERA and WHIP numbers. However advanced statistics paint a different picture - FIP of 3.85, 8.94 K/9, .257 BAA, and a somewhat unlucky BABIP of .327.
The Giants are rumored to be looking for a 3B. Cantu from Florida (.346 wOBA in 2008) and Encarnacion from Cincy (.350 wOBA in 08) have been mentioned. I wonder if Teahen (wOBA .311 last year) plus a reasonable prospect would get it done?
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Teahen is better than Encarnacion and Cantu
I’d give Teahen Bannister and a minor league reliever
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I like Sanchez quite a bit
Not sure Teahen is enough to get it done – I think Encarnacion is much better. But if they can’t get a deal done with Cincy, maybe they’d come to us.
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Encarnacion plays in a cracker jack box
If Teahan plays there he hits 25 HRs last year.
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Sounds like a good deal to me.
Try Teahen only first.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
Kelly Johnson for Mark Teahen is my trade speculation.
GMDM singing Teahens praises for 2 weeks and Atlanta’s already weak outfield
24 Josh Anderson .764 OPS 136 ab’s 26 yo
18 Gregor Blanco .676 OPS 430 ab’s 24 yo
23 Matt Diaz .568 OPS 135 ab’s 30 yo
7 Jeff Francoeur .653 OPS 599 Ab’s 24 yo
28 Brandon Jones .709 OPS 116 ab’s 24 yo
Even Teahen is an upgrade over those guys either that or trade DDJ for KJ +. GMDM this s the one time I would like a Atlanta trade so I’m sure it is unlikely to happen.
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I think if Teabag gets traded...
He’ll get dealt to Arizona. They are seeking a Left handed hitting outfielder. They would love to get Raul Ibanez, but by all accounts, they don’t have the money. In some respects, they are just as cash strapped as us at this point in time.
I’m not up to speed on what their farm system holds, but I believe they are generally regarded as having a good farm system. I’d ask Seitzer if he saw any diamonds in the rough in his time there. They have given up on players too early in the recent past (Carlos Quentin), maybe we should entice them to do it again…
Personally, I’ve kinda gotten off of the ‘trade Teabag, he sucks’ bandwagon. The fact is that he is a UBER versatile player that is hard to replace with one roster spot. Add in the fact that he is just coming into the ‘prime’ years of his career, and I think we’d have to get above market value in return. – This is based on us using Teabag as what he is. An UBER utility player that can log time at both infield corners and all 3 outfield spots with at minimum average defense (mostly above average IMO), and potential (still) at the plate.
Personally, I’ve kinda gotten off of the ‘trade Teabag, he sucks’ bandwagon. The fact is that he is a UBER versatile player that is hard to replace with one roster spot. Add in the fact that he is just coming into the ‘prime’ years of his career, and I think we’d have to get above market value in return. – This is based on us using Teabag as what he is. An UBER utility player that can log time at both infield corners and all 3 outfield spots with at minimum average defense (mostly above average IMO), and potential (still) at the plate.
I would be happy to trade him for a full-time player (as opposed to the excellent utility player that he is) who is young and who has the upside potential of being a genuinely good player. Teahen has value in his versaitlity, defense and not horrible hitting. But that’s it; he’s not going to get better than that. He probably has a lot of years that look like 2007 ahead of him. I’d like for the Royals to trade him for a bit of risk. Trade him for a young player who isn’t as good as he is right now, but who has some real potential. The Royals can’t afford to sit on their mediocre players and hope that they’ll ride them to the playoffs. We’re going to have to take some risks and jump into some dare-to-be-great situations. (h/t to Lloyd Dobler)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 6, 2008 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
Which is why I said ‘above market value’ A prospect like you are talking about is seldom traded for a utility player
Teahen Is More
Than the typical utility player. He is going into his presumptive peak year and is a + defender at every corner but the one he originally played.
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by philofthenorth on Dec 6, 2008 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
And still has potential to be a league average starter
especially in the NL
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on Dec 6, 2008 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
+1, phil and +1, d_f
I want to make clear I’m not talking about trading for a player who everyone thinks is going to be come good. I’m talking about a player who could become good, who has a decent shot, but very easily might not. Maybe an advanced prospect, or maybe a guy with one or two major league seasons under his belt that were somewhat underwhelming, but young enough to still have good upside.
Also, another reason to be very interested in trading Teahen now is that he only has two more years of team control. This is probably the best time to trade him. If he has another year like 2007 or 2008 in the coming season, he’s probably going to be more expensive than he’s worth for the Royals in 2010, and also less valuable in trade. So I think he should be traded now. They could trade him in summer, but that would probably only work if he has a particularly good first half.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 6, 2008 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
I find no fault in your points
And, let me clear up my point slightly.
I’m in no way reverting back to ‘05 talk, when the majority of Royals fans thought Teahen was a huge building block piece. He’s not that, and has about a 10% chance of still becoming a building block at best.
I think my point with Teahen is that his trade value will never be great, and I don’t think it will ever diminish greatly (unless he absolutely tanks offensively, which I don’t see happening). Lets say we keep him for now and trade him at the deadline of his last year of team control. A team that covets his versatility won’t be afraid to offer the same amount they would offer now (in theory), b/c they know he isn’t a $10+ M a year sign if they want to hang on to him. When a team trades for a guy like say Greinke at a deadline, they have to evaluate if the prospects given up = 1/2 season + $10+M a year if they want to resign him.
I think in a way (unless you are inclined to think that his #‘s are going to regress offensively), trading him now would be at his Lowest value possible. If he puts up numbers = to ’07 or ’08, plays 3-5 positions well defensively, and doesn’t develop the personality traits of Jose Guillen, teams are still going to covet him equally next year. But if he increases his offensive production, demand naturally goes up
Does my logic make sense or am I talking out of my ass? <-Not sarcastic, I really am not sure on this, I’ve never really thought about it before :-/
Even he blossoms into his max-potential (I dunno, 20 HR, .290 Avg, 75 or so XBH), that is basically a $6-$9 M per/year player, which is someone that KC COULD afford to hold onto if they so choose, and numbers like that wouldn’t be ‘bad’ for a corner OF spot…
I would have to agree with NYRoyal.
Teahen is at the hight of his trade value to the Royals unless we decide to sign him to a multi year deal that will keep his salary in line with his value. It might be a good risk to take because he looks like he would retain his value fairly well in a trade to the NL. Maybe a 3 year 12-15 million deal or something?
Go Royals!
I think his two years of team control, and especially the fact that the first of those two years will be genuinely inexpensive, help to maximize his trade value this offseason. I think the Royals could get considerably more for him now than in the summer of 2010 when he’d only be a half-season rental. In short, if a team acquires him now, they’ve essentially got him on a 1 yr/3.3M contract with a team option for the second year at about $5M. That’s a low risk, low cost, good guaranteed reward with a chance of being even better than that. A year from now, they’d just have him for one year at about $5M. That seems like lower value to me.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 7, 2008 2:39 AM EST up reply actions
True, but again, it’s not like it is going to take whoever he were to be traded to much more than $5M a year to lock him up (if his production stays flat), which is why I don’[t see his trade value being subject to the fluctuations of someone that is a $10+M a year sign…
Regardless of how much it might take to lock him up as a FA
…the team still has two years of team control if they trade him now and only one if they trade him next year. Anything beyond that is speculative. He may choose to go to free agency and not just jump at any 2/10 offer he’s given by his team in 2010. Players want as many guaranteed years as possible and Teahen would want 4 years, but most teams would rather just give him 2 or 3 plus a club option. That’s the kind of thing that could easily (and likely) lead him to test the FA waters, rather than go with a lesser deal during the season.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by Scott McKinney on Dec 7, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
I would not want to trade Teabag to the Diamondbacks for prospects
Their farm system WAS good a year or two ago, but it has been almost entirely stripped bare as a result of things like the Dan Haren trade, and their top prospect lists are even more heavily skewed towards pitching than our’s (which isn’t to say we shouldn’t trade Teabag for a pitcher, but it is worth pointing out, as it may make the D-backs less willing to part with what few hitting prospects they still have).
I do like Cesar Valdez, he did fairly well after being promoted to AA ball midway through the year (except that his BB/9 rate shot up, but he is otherwise known for having plus control). He is a decent prospect (Sickels has him at a B-), and that he is sometimes ranked in the top 5 of D-backs prospects speaks more to how bare the cupboard is for Arizona right now than to Valdez’s upside. Has mediocre fastball (88-90 with sinking action), but a plus change and a slurve-like breaking ball and profiles out as a #4/5 starter.
Another possibility would be switch-hitting outfielder Gerardo Parra, who has put up Teahen-like numbers in AA ball this year but, unlike Teahen, has the speed and arm to play CF. I don’t think we could expect him to be any more than league average at CF, possibly a little below average offensively. The D-backs have played him some in RF and I’m not sure why—from what I’ve read, Parra should be able to stick at CF. Sickels also has him at a B-.
Scouts love Dan Schlereth, but he will probably be used only as a reliever because of concerns over his mechanics, and even in A ball, he already has health issues. Pass. Most of Arizona’s other prospects are in rookie or A ball and seem like pretty big question marks.
All in all, I wouldn’t flip Teahen for either Valdez or Parra straight up, but I might for Valdez+ or Parra+. Which really, isn’t that exciting and we could probably get more for Teahen elsewhere if we’re looking to flip him for prospects…hence, the subject line of this post.
i'd do it for parra straight up
parra kinda reminds scouts of shane victorino. he’s a very solid player…makes good contact, takes walks, has some gap power, speed, plays good defense. could start in northwest arkansas and make it to omaha by midseason.
another guy i like is barry enright. he was a 2nd round pick in 07. very polished with excellent control. profiles as a #3/#4 type. had a not so good ERA (4.4) and a high h/9, but I tend to take those numbers in the Cal league with a huge grain of salt. would start in northwest arkansas.
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Parra is fairly well-rounded on defense
He has a decent arm, decent speed, and doesn’t take dumb routes to stuff that is hit to him.
It is on offense that I have more concern—he is never going to hit for much power, and his plate discipline, while improving, is still below average. That is a bad, bad combination.
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