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I was going to do a whole FanPost with cute monkey pictures and more detailed analysis, but I have a backlog of stuff to bore you with, and this isn't my blog anyway. I figure people can discuss this on its own, and at the very least it might be a handy reference tool. Unless it sucks, in which case feel free to ignore it.

In short, I constructed another Google Spreadsheet to give some estimated market values of free agent position players (with a few of my non-FA favorites mixed in for fun) for the 2008-2009 off-season, just in time for Winter Meetings. These are not my projections. They take the (intentionally) most basic offensive projections available -- Tom Tango's Marcel projections (named after the monkey from the first season of Friends [ugh]) and combine it with the defensive projections done by "Chone" Smith, aka the Rally Monkey. I don't get into the in and outs of Marcels (which is intended less as a "real" projection system than as a baseline for judging others, although it does surprisingly well with established players, considering its simplicity), nor of Chone's defensive projections (which have been discussed on this blog a bit already. Keep in mind that some of this stuff can seem pretty silly (Marcel doesn't understand park effects or injuries, for example, but I still think any monkey that can regress to league average is pretty impressive), but I didn't adjust anything because then I would have to adjust everything.

This sort of thing is discussed a great deal on the intertubez, so I thought I'd put a lot of it together with "custom" salary estimation for each player based on $4.84 million per win above replacement (WAR) adding in $400,000 a year replacement cost. I have also included a generic salary chart.

I make no great claim to originality here. I'm just taking other people's projections and combining it with stuff I've picked up by reading smart people (Tom Tango, MGL, Dave Cameron, and on and on) -- the story of my life.

To borrow one of Tango's lines about this: teams who sign players for their market value (relative to whatever projection you have for the player, of course) aren't particularly smart or particularly dumb. They're just doing what any other team would do in signing for market value. The smart teams are the ones that manage to find players they can sign for less than the market value. So discuss away!

Just to reiterate: I am not saying a couple of monkeys (Marcel and Rally) should be running the Royals. Some things can't be projected by simple computer programs. The monkeys would never have been able to see Gil Meche's past two years of performance coming.

Then again, Marcel and Rally would never have given Jose Guillen 3/36, so maybe Dayton Moore should bring them on as consultants...

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updated for those who care

I added a simpler “value” tab that dispenses with the figurings (still available), and also added a scorecard that I’ll need help updating

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, one more thing

any help you guys can give updating me on signings to add to the scorecard (position players only, no catchers, please) would really help, since I don’t follow it all the time.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I assume ESPN.com and MLB.com again have a FA list which they update daily with contract amounts.

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Meant to post this earlier for d_f and others interested in regression

And it’s fairly relevant to this post even!

http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/but-i-regress/

An excellent history of regression analysis and how it’s used in baseball. A good, fairly quick read.

by jsolo on Dec 8, 2008 11:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

thank you thank you thank you

I started reading and on-line stats textbook… maybe later. This is much better.

What is it with you economists and baseball?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

its kinda a data thing

baseball has loads and loads of stats to mess with which is fairly comprehensive of the system, unlike the real world which has too many damned variables.

by ZeppelinDZ on Dec 8, 2008 12:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus you get to see the results of your analysis in the very short term

The games are played every year, and almost every day during the season. While you may not be able to weigh the value of a long term contract immediately, you can certain gather meaningful data in baseball a lot quicker and easier than say, the impact of a government stimulus package on the domestic economy.

Also, there are only so many supply/demand curves you can look at in a day!

by jsolo on Dec 8, 2008 12:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just updating the prediction vs. reality page

the monkeys nailed the Renteria deal

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 12:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

There's a reason most good analysts liked that deal

This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.

by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I added catchers

just for completeness. Not thrilled that I have no fielding numbers for them, though, or with my 70% playing time estimate… Some of the projections are a bit goofy given lack of dat (G. Rodriguez, for example. But that’s Marcel for you.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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