Winter Meetings Day One Open Thread
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 2:34 PM EST
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The Winter Meetings have begun, much to my surprise, as I was convinced we were still a week away. Terrible blogging timing, as it were, as I'm trying to be a diligent young scholar this week, but tomorrow will be a better day. I'd hate to have one of my enjoyment of one of my favorite parts of the baseball season diluted by my ineffectual efforts at boosting my minuscule employment profile.
Post your rumors and reactions here. In the storied history of Royals Review, these W.M. Open Threads have always been fun.
- Dutton: Royals have no reason to gamble.
- Dutton: Royals aren't interested in trading Teahen.
- ESPN's Winter Meetings blog.
- MLB.com's Hot Stove blog.
- Rosenthal blog.
- The Mariners have signed Chris Shelton. I wonder who will be more productive, Shelton/Branyan or Jacobs/Shealy/Gload/Olivo (and five games of Kila in September!) at 1B/DH next season. Actually, I don't wonder at all.
- Mark DeRosa, apparently, has the hottest wife in MLB. Mark Kotsay, or his wife rather, finished second. Heidi Hamels was robbed.
- The SB Nation Hotstove Hub.
I'll keep hunting for interesting links as the day goes on. Please do the same. And don't forget to check out Devil Fingers' fanshot and spreadsheet on the free agents.
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raul ibanez declines arb
he’ll be ours by the end of the night
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And He'll Play
1B/DH.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2008 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the currency of baseball
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can't have too many
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and...
Jason Varitek knows he sucks right?
or does he believe in his magical captain/arod punching (while keeping his helmet on) mojo
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How much is he asking for other than the Boras 4/52?
I’m going to regret not doing catchers and pitchers (line)…
Actually, 2/15 or 3/20 would be about right for Varitek, assuming he can start 120 games next year.
But I don’t know how to calculate the “C.”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it is unfortunate that the winter meetings coincide with my finals week
I love hot stove rumors, but I still have three more papers to finish writing and two more exams to take, so I have to not be such a baseball nerd this week. It is hard.
by DarthYoshi on Dec 8, 2008 2:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You should study
Rosenthology with a minor in Gammons Theory
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dissertation in Gammons Theory
Blah Blah Blah Red Sox. Blah Blah Theo Epstein Blah Blah. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. The Yankees don’t like the Red Sox Blah. Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Big Papi Blah. CoCo Crisp Blah Blah Blah. . . he’s not in Boston anymore? Forget I said anything. Ramon Ramirez Blah.
by BrRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You fail
You forgot to mention an obscure rock band to show you are still “with it.”
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hah, +1
Gammons ranks right up there with Mr. McToolface for most ridiculously vacuous national baseball columnists out there.
by DarthYoshi on Dec 8, 2008 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You need to add
something trashing any big name player who gets shipped out of Boston
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
is Cashman really goinng to repeat the Beltran fiasco
and pass on Teixeira?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 3:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Allegedly Tejada has been made available by the Astros
He’s making $13 million so how about a swap for Guillen?
Hmm. Glass and Drayton are pals…
BTW – Tejada is in his decline phase (wOBA .313) but his career wOBA is still .348 and James and Marcels have him projected somewhere in the .330-.340 range. Plus his UZR last year was 5.4 – though other years were considerably lower. (How does that work out?)
Anyways, I’d rather have Tejada than Guillen – even if the Royals had to eat the additional 2 million.
by jsolo on Dec 8, 2008 3:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to get to work
but this is better
Marcels sees MIggy as almost average as a hitter (minus 0.6 RV/700), CHONE has him as an average defender. Let’s call it 0. +.75 wins for SS, + 2.25 for split NL/AL projection period = 3 × 85% playing time = 2.55 WAR player. Accord to the salary chart, that’s worth about $12.5 for one year.
Cots says he get $13M in 2009… is the contract really out?
Trading him for Guillen straight up would be highway robbery on the part of the Royals… Then again, this is the Astros we’re talking about.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its not even winter yet.
We always did feel the same, We just saw it from a different point of view, Tangled up in blue.
-Bob Dylan
by Royal Kingdom on Dec 8, 2008 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Moore's comments on Teahen
Could be posturing, could be for real (that he intends to keep him), but one thing is certain: he explicitly stated that he does not intend to use Teahen as a fourth outfielder. So somebody’s going, no question about it, either Dejesus, Teahen or Guillen. A lot of fans ‘believe’ it’s going to be Teahen, but I think our reason for believing is that (a) we don’t think any team out there is dumb enough to take on Guillen’s contract (and baggage), and therefore (b) WE would rather trade Teahen than Dejesus. It’s the classic fan’s axiom of probabiliy: We want it to happen = it’s more likely to happen.
I’ve thought this over for a while now, in terms of probability (my highly scientific method that involves staring in deep thought out the window), and I think each of the three has an equal chance of being traded. It all depends on the offer.
And if that happens to be Guillen for Tejada…thank you sir, may I please have another?
I'm about to change my username to DannyDuffyfan
by jackie ballgame on Dec 8, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
if we can't count on the mariners to be dumb
then who can we trust?
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Dec 8, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
in the AL its down to the Twins (at the big league level) and the Orioles
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
speaking of the twins
twinkie town on their WM approach
http://www.twinkietown.com/2008/12/7/684285/winter-meetings-primer-200
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Dec 8, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the Orioles shafted both the Astros and the Mariners last year
no big deal, but it ain’t bad.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Adam Everett to Detroit
according to steve phillips
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
for whom?
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
There goes my idea to trade Tony Pena Jr. to Detroit for Rick Porcello
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the only trade action that might involve the Royals (I predicted none in the RCI)
would be one of our lefty middle relievers for a righty middle reliever
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
what lefties do we have left?
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Dec 8, 2008 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mahay
Bale
Gobble
Musser
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no one would want gobble
and i dont see th point in trading mahay
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Dec 8, 2008 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying they all have good trade value
You asked what lefties we have left. And the potential point in trading Mahay is because we have some decent lefties and Moore feels like we’re a little short on decent righties in the pen.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
women named heidi always seem to be hot
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on Dec 8, 2008 4:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
not to NY Jets fans
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That girl from the Hills?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Heidi Hamels
Was that girl that got naked on “Survivor” for some chocolate and peanut butter. So she has some high standards.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i believe she was on survivor, yes
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she was from eldon, missouri....if i remember correctly (too lazy to look it up)
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 8, 2008 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well she was at least a p.e. teacher in Eldon...until they fired her for getting naked on tv
…looks like she’s recovered just fine.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 8, 2008 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Ugliest Heidi
I could find on Google Images.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2008 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Astros claim Fulchino?
prepare for the immediate angry response from the Royals Nation!
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
FIRE DAYTON MOORE!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When did we DFA Fulchino?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I found that reference on the MLB hotstove blog listed above
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FULCHINO THEN!
as tears fall on my keyboard
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it hit the Star ten minutes ago
houston chron schooled their ass on this one
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/sports/6153687.html
15 minutes early baby
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
adios, Jeffrey
we hardly knew ye
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So
We now have two spots on the 40 man roster, yes? Just in time for the Rule 5 draft?
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jeff does not appear to be taking the news well
Smile Jeff! Houston is a lovely place!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"don't you ever call me Pumpkin Head again"
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
photoshop?
whatever, very nicely played.
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by buddyball on Dec 9, 2008 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not from me
When I posted this, he had a Royals hat, but its from MLB.com, so I guess they already changed it!!!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You win a few, you lose a few
Hopefully Moore will beat their ass with something down the road.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So the Royals opened up another spot on the 40-man roster?
Big move coming!!!!!!!!
(Think Rule 5 Draft. I’m ordering my Veal jersey now.)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Ordering my Veal Jersey"
Sounds like some kind of dish you may find at a some corner diner in Hoboken. I’ll have the Veal Jersey with a side of onion rings please. I’m sure that meal is loaded with calories.
by jsolo on Dec 8, 2008 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good call
Or perhaps a jersey made out of calf meat. Mmmmmm, calf meat clothing.
(and the Veal Jersey comes with your choice of french fries, mashed potatoes, baked potato or onion rings)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Like A
Hoagie, only a lot cheaper.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 8, 2008 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
should be the greatest "remembering" post yet
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody notice this?
When asked about looking to trade Teahen, Moore doesn’t say, “We’re not trading him.” He says, “he’s extremely valuable to our team.” Instead of talking about how he’ll definitely be a Royal in 2009, he talks about his value. To me, that says he’s trying to maximize his value, not because he definitely wants to trade him, but because he wants his value to be as high as possible to help the Royals negotiating position for possible trades.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you lawyers and attention paid to words...
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What I love most about the Fulchino report
is that ouf of all the moves/rumors reported at MLB.com, the Fulchino loss is the only one in bold:
Hence, moves related to the Royals are by far the most relevant.
I'm about to change my username to DannyDuffyfan
by jackie ballgame on Dec 8, 2008 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Saltalamacchiavachia
From ESPN’s blog…
• The Rangers still will talk about catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia, even with Gerald Laird having been dealt to Detroit.
DO we have any interest? I’d give them Buck & Guillen.. :)
by GoBabies!! on Dec 8, 2008 5:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Word is that that the Tigers are willing to deal another catcher, but they would require a SP back in return
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 5:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 5:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why the hell would the Rangers
want to ACQUIRE a SP in a deal? All they do is trade them away!
by GoBabies!! on Dec 8, 2008 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Danks and Chris Young are loving every minute of it....
that Adrian Gonzalez & Chris Young for Adam Eaton and Akinori Otksa deal has got to be one of the worst of the last decade……almost in the Liriano/Nathan/Bonser for Pierzynski ballpark.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 8, 2008 6:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
5:40 pm and no Royals rumors today?
I need at least 3 crazy, off the wall rumors involving the Royals this week.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 5:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Esteban German for Grady Sizemore!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ROb Neyer is asking people for Gil Meche autographs
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 6:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GMDM is so keen on acquiring relief help
he trades Greinke for Farnsworth – straight up
“awww, we wouldn’t have been able to sign him anyway….”
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by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keep in mind it's only 3pm now in the West...
but still, i feel ya! I need more Royals rumors!!!
by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2008 5:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Royals interested in Brandon Lyon, Kyle Farnsworth
We’d heard about Farnsworth already, (please no), but Lyon is a new one. He got absolutely racked last year after July. Umm, not appetizing answers…
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by jackie ballgame on Dec 8, 2008 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Lyon
I brought him up right after the season. The plus side is it gives you options if the Royals want to explore moving Soria to the Rotation. Especially now that the consensus backup plan 1 & 1a have been traded away.
There was also talk on a baseball tonight a couple nights ago that since there are so many good – elite level closers on the market, the price is going to be low on them (at least lower than past years).
Is he a type A or B FA? If he is an A, I wouldn’t sign him, but I’d look at it if he was a B.
by GoBabies!! on Dec 8, 2008 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is a B
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
by doublestix on Dec 8, 2008 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but his tRA and FIP look good
better him than Farns. Probably as good as Mahay will be next year.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lyon is awful
His ERA last season ended up at about 4.7 and after July hitters had a 3.90 avg against, if I remember the stats right. There’s no way I’d trust him as a closer, and anyway, I think Dayton has pretty well squashed any hope Soria will ever see the rotation. Of course, there’s always the fan probability axiom (I want it to happen therefore it’s likely), which greatly boosts Soria’s future as a starter.
But any relievers we pursue are middle relievers. And I’d really rather try some young guys than Farnsworth (4.48 ERA) or Lyon.
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by jackie ballgame on Dec 8, 2008 6:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here are the stats on Lyon per MLB.com
“A statistical barometer: through July 18, opponent hit just .238 against him but for the rest of the season the figure jumped to .392. Final figures for Lyon included 26 saves in 31 chances, a 3-5 record and a 4.70 ERA in 61 games.”
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by jackie ballgame on Dec 8, 2008 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well
a .355 BABIP will do that to you.
relievers are weird, they can have a couple good seasons then a random bad season. lyon had two good seasons then had a random not so good year in 2008. the two projection systems on fan graphs have him at a 3.9 ERA for next year. that is not so bad.
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
by doublestix on Dec 8, 2008 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
(again) I am NOT for moving Soria out of the closer role, but lets face it, injuries happen, and ie he were to go down right a strain for even 2 weeks, who the hell do we have right now that is going to close when he is on the mend? Mahay?
We need to build depth back up in our ’pen. Somehow, someway. Not saying it has to be Lyon by any means, but we need to find 2 – 3 guys to add to the mix IMO…
by GoBabies!! on Dec 8, 2008 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't disagree
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
by doublestix on Dec 8, 2008 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
RamRam or Leo Nunez
Both should be able to close…..
D’oh!
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leo
15 games, 15 on the DL, 15 games, 15 on the DL, 15 games, 15 on the DL, and it keeps going over and over and over and over and over….
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
by 306008 on Dec 9, 2008 8:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and yet he was the 3rd most valuble reliever on the Royals last year
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 11:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
crazy, huh?
Don't forget to send your broken maples to the US Forest Service.
by 306008 on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's a good little pitcher
not great, but a good guy to have at $400,000 in the bullpen
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
See above
his FIP and tRA have both been above average. Marcels projectinos (insert qualification) have him as 3-4 runs above replacement, and that’s without leverage. Projected FIP and ERA put him in the Mahay range — a decent cheap middleman.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
hmm hard to disagree with Lyon
after seeing what McClure did with Tejeda and a few others last year.
It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird.
by kcscoliny on Dec 8, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Arizona was very loyal with him last year...keeping him as closer waaaaaaaaaaay too long
until they finally let Rauch take over. He was getting lit up EVERY night in the second half……i mean Yimmy Yobble levels of lit-upped-ness. But yes….he may be a buy-low, low-risk candidate in the Tomko type of way.
by Fernando Vina School of Linguistics on Dec 8, 2008 7:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Were you making fun of chris shelton?
I like the guy, He has been pigeon holed as a AAAA parking lot player.
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Dec 8, 2008 7:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And he has been overrated by people who think that decent 1B options are around every corner. In short, Shelton sucks. He had a good season, and followed that with lots of failure. He really is a AAAA player.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea, if anything
i was trying to give him props
i may disagree with NY on this one
by royalsreview on Dec 8, 2008 7:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am
Secretary of the Chris Shelton Fan Club. He will mash this year.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Seattle?
He couldn’t mash as a Texas Ranger. How is he going to mash playing half of his games in Safeco, which is death to RH hitters? Shelton’s best days are well behind him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Royals certainly didn't need another mediocre 1B/DH type
but PrOPS says he was pretty unlucky this year. Not that a .798 PrOPS is much to write home about. UZR says he’s pretty good defensive 1B. I think it’s pretty obvious he’s being brought in as a platoon partner for Russ Branyan for nothing. That’s a pretty smart move for Seattle. Those guys together will cost less than Mike Jacobs, and I would be as much as $1 they will outproduce him in offense alone, given an certain minimum ABs.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
can i be the chancellor or something?
we gotta support the redheads, they get no love
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Dec 8, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon Lyon
He’s a pretty good reliever with a decent recent history. Pretty good FIP and tRA the last two years. Nothing to knock your socks off, but solid. Less risky than Farnsworth. Speaking of Riske, Lyon is a guy who you could bring in for a one or two-year deal and then either flip at the deadline or turn into a sandwich pick, like Riske.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like his age too (29)
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd much prefer Lyon to Farnz.
Farnz WHIP:
2006 – 1.364
2007 – 1.450
2008 – 1.525
Lyon WHIP
2006 – 1.298
2007 – 1.243
2008 – 1.483
And as you mentioned, solid FIP and tRA… I’d for sure take Lyon.
by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2008 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
(average WHIP is roughly 1.4)
by CollininCalifornia on Dec 8, 2008 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Lyon to Farnsworth as well
But I have to say that WHIP isn’t a very good measure of pitching ability or even performance. It includes a lot of batted ball luck and defensive factors outside of the pitcher’s control. FIP, xFIP and tRA are better measures. (the first two available at Fangraphs and THT, the third available at statcorner.com). Lyon is better than Farnsworth in essentially all of the above for the last two years.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I should have stuck with my intention to not start posting until I read most of the thread
since I belatedly repated the stuff about Lyon up above.
Marcels has Lyon being as good as Mahay next year. Platooned properly, they might survive as a decent setup combo.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I would cut off a finger for a night with Mrs. Podsednik.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 8, 2008 9:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
or how about mrs. (josh) booty
I'm about to change my username to DannyDuffyfan
by jackie ballgame on Dec 8, 2008 9:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ummmm . . . .
did anybody notice mrs. zack greinke?????
she looked a little old . . . . no??
by royalstern05 on Dec 8, 2008 9:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
according to www.stltoday.com
this is greinke’s wife:
by royalstern05 on Dec 8, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i take it back - the pic above is johnny damon's wife
by royalstern05 on Dec 8, 2008 9:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it really says something about a guy's intell-gience
— even for a pro athelete - when he marries a stripper.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 10:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Google Images Says
That’s Brett Tomko’s wife.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
beyond awesome
Founder of the Johnny Giavotella fan club.
by doublestix on Dec 8, 2008 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Would be great... but aren't the Royals set at DH?
REally, really good hitter… above average fielder when he’s healthy… I dunno. depends. Could get expensive. But when he’s healthy, you could make an argument he’s the best play in the FA market. Except he’s rarely completely healthy.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 10:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Lefebvre
is leading the charge to get Milton!!!!
by GoBabies!! on Dec 8, 2008 10:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh wow
Hilarity ensues.
Maybe Ryan’s influence will cause Milton to turn his life around.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
could be the greatest thing since JoGui's wig
I really think Bradley’s good, but it we’ll see. I’m not sure he makes sense for the Royals at this point. Surely better teams are offering him more money? He’d make a lot of sense for the Yankees, Rays, or even the Angels. I imagine he doesn’t want to go back to Oakland…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Butler will get dealt
Hopefully for Yuniesky Betancourt
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley is very expensive
Could this possibly be true? The Royals could only be seriously interested if one of the following are true:
1. Glass is willing to go considerably over $70M in payroll this year, and continue to increase payroll in the coming years (due to arbitration raises, etc.).
or
2. Moore is willing to trade Guillen for anything that will rid the Royals of his contract.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 10:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Option 2 seems plausible
but would any GM out there seriously bite on an offer involving all of Guillen’s contract?
by Bornin85 on Dec 8, 2008 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't think so
But perhaps 3/4 of it. Subtract 3/4 of Guillen’s contract, and add Bradley’s big contract and you may well have a payroll that Glass would agree to (particularly if they also trade away Teahen and/or Buck for cheaper players).
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I love Bradley’s bat but him and his gimpy knees, etc. aside, it only makes sense if he can move a big contract, i.e., Guillen’s. I just don’t think a long-term commitment to Bradley makes sense for the Royals in particular.
Frankly, I say he has more value as a 140 game DH than as a 90 game RF. Get rid of both Jacobs and Guillen and live with Butler at first. NO Gload, either. Just Shealy.
Hell, dump Shealy.
It’s a dream, but if Bradley can stay healthy and play RF, he DDJ, and Crisp would be really, really good on defense, even if Crisp is only average. Probably above average on offense, too.
I don’t thin, Bradley will OPS .900 in Kaufman, but I bet .875 isn’t out of the question.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How about this?
Trade Guillen and sign Bradley. Split Bradley between the OF and DH. Butler splits time between DH and 1B. If Hillman plays it smart, Bradley and Butler’s PT are both maximized.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
Some GMs still like RBIzzzzzz!
And if the worst thing they ever do is trade for Jose Guillen, then so be it.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome me to the party folks..
(Cracks open a beer) Lets do this !
Milton come on over sweet pea
Werd.
by focs on Dec 8, 2008 10:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just had a friend the other day
Mention how hilarious it would be to have Coco Crisp and Milton Bradley.
AND Rusty Kuntz!
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Dec 8, 2008 10:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The Royals are reassembling the 2003 Indians.
Can Casey Blake and Ben Broussard be far behind? Jason Davis?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought that Rusty Kuntz
was just a nickname for Hillary Clinton….real ball player eh?
Hey-o!
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 9, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I hate these rumors as much as I desire them
Their sourcing is as weak as a newborn kitten. This is Rosenthal’s Bradley/Royals rumor:
A Texas official said the club does not expect to re-sign Bradley, who hit .321 with 22 homers and 77 RBIs this season. The official said Tampa Bay and Kansas City are the leading candidates to become Bradley’s seventh team since opening day 2001. Tampa Bay, which had a luncheon meeting with Bradley, is considered the favorite.
Tampa Bay would use Bradley primarily as a designated hitter. Cliff Floyd, who will not return, was the Rays’ most-used DH this season. He hit .267 with 11 homers and 38 RBIs for 283 at-bats in t the role. Bradley also met with the Cubs on Monday, but the Royals say they are not interested.
So the source on this rumor that the leading contenders to sign Bradley are the Royals and Rays is someone in the Rangers organization? What the hell would a Rangers official know about who is on Bradley’s short list? And what is up with that last highlighted bit about the Royals. Are the Royals saying they have no interest in Bradley, or is someone from the Royals saying that the Cubs aren’t interested in Bradley?
Sounds like journalistic mumbo jumbo and crappy writing.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 10:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
tampa bay makes so much more sense for him
Make him the DH and that lineup and they will be bad-ass next year. Upton, Bradley, Pena, and Longoria 2-5 (hell, I’d lead Upton off, but that’s just me) is right there with the Sox and Yankees. Good defense and studly pitching…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But many players don't like being DH-only
That’s why it might not make more sense to him subjectively. That is, providing that the Royals promise him significant OF PT.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I figured a source from the Rangers
would remember we tried to trade for him and assume we are still interested. Thus, a quote.
by Bornin85 on Dec 8, 2008 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s a big odd jump from that (that the Royals are probably interested) to the claim that the Royals and Rays are the leading candidates to sign him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be more likely his comment didn't say that,
but the journalist made it that way…
all speculation, though.
by Bornin85 on Dec 8, 2008 11:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Could be
If so, that is really crappy journalism. But maybe that is how rumor mongers work.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard that...
The concept of progress acts as a protective mechanism to shield us from the terrors of the future. - Collected sayings of Muad'Dib
by buddyball on Dec 8, 2008 11:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly what Milton needs to turn his life around like Josh Hamilton did
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 10:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
From a comedy standpoint, I'm not sure it's even worth bothering with him if JoGui isn't around
Bradley + JoGui + John Gibbons = Royals are the 3rd Order Unintentional Comedy Comedy Champs without playing a game.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Postgame Interviews With
Ryan would be the cherry on top of that sundae.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on Dec 9, 2008 11:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Milton's value
Let’s play with this, even though I’d bet a lot of money that it isn’t going to happen. D_f’s spreadsheet has Milton’s value as 3/60 (as an OFer) or 3/34 (as a DH). I assume that is assuming 150 games played per season. Let’s say that the Royals sign him as, and use him as 1/2 RF, 1/2 DH and that he plays only 3/4 as many games as that (113 games). My half assed math would say that his value would then be about 3/36. Does that sound about right? I’d be happy to offer him that. I’d even offer him more and risk that he might end up being healthier than 113 games per season.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bill James has him projected almost exactly the same as Marcel
which says all you need to know about the reliabilty of the James projections, since Marcel self-consciously does not project for park.
I’d go 3/36 on him in a sec. He’s worth more than that (and I’d probably go higher), but the Royal need to be careful. In any case, they need to move a chunk of Guillen’s salary (or Meche, I guess, but then that makes another problem…) to make even that work. I’m not going to get into the Glass thing here, but there’s just too much risk involved having those two guys with those salaries out there. Only a few teams in baseball could sustain the loss of both those guys getting hurt/sinking to replacement level at the same time with those contracts.
I wish the contract could be incentive-laden, but it’s a year late on offering him that sort of deal. Maybe offer 3/36 and instead of losing it on refs and fans, Ryan Lefebvre will be waiting in the clubhouse to have Milton beat him with a bat (don’t injure those hands!).
I don’t know what I’d do… I do know that in 120 less PAs, his offense was worth 3-4 wins more than Jose Guillen’s. And that’s not a slam on Guillen…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you just bash Bill James?
Ho. ly. Shit. Who the F do you think you are??222
I’d go 3/36 on him in a sec.
Yeah that is my very safe value. That’s my “let’s assume that he keeps getting injured regularly and misses a lot of time” value. You’re right that they can’t take on the Milton risk in addition to the Guillen risk. Thankfully, I don’t think Glass is that spendy. I’d bet a lot of money that Glass isn’t willing to push the payroll up to $85M this year. Bradley is only possible if Guillen can be traded, along with most of his contract.
I don’t know what I’d do… I do know that in 120 less PAs, his offense was worth 3-4 wins more than Jose Guillen’s. And that’s not a slam on Guillen…
Wouldn’t it be spectacular for the Royals to effectively trade Guillen’s 2/24 for Bradley at 3/36? Or for Bradley at 3/40? How about this question…would you go 4 years on him?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is the Royals Review version of "Who Would You Do?"
I don’t know. The numbers say yes, but Bradley doesn’t have a straightforward injury history, either. If it was some sort of vesting option, or reduced yearly salary, or club option, or combination of the three, maybe.
I’d probably go 3/$40M. I sure wouldn’t give a player option, though.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My only addition to this
…is that teams like the Royals have to take risks. The Royals aren’t going to be able to win the bidding on safe stars like Teixeira. In order to get good production, they have to find inefficiencies and take risks. They aren’t so good at the first (except for being able to churn out tradable middle relievers) but they have to try some of the second. I wouldn’t shoot the moon for Milton, but these numbers seem reasonable. I might be willing to have a fourth year as something of a vesting option. Basically he earns a player option for the fourth year if he plays in X games or has X PA’s over the three seasons.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yep
and we have exactly the FA to NOT do that
power on the corners and speed up the middle blah blah blah
by royalsreview on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, RR, but this confused me
do you mean FO rather than FA?
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you are talking about the front office
…then how does a standard “power on the corners, speed up the middle” philosophy preclude them from taking risks? They may not be willing to take all of the kinds of risks you and/or I might want them to take, but they were willing to take a risk on Guillen (which turned out to be ill advised) and perhaps they are willing to take a risk on Bradley’s health. I think that is a positive, if true.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we'll see
and to GMDM’s credit, he has been willing to trade from his stregths, including his guys, so we’ll see
by royalsreview on Dec 9, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he loves him some Milton Bradley
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he wants to help him turn his life around
Gibbons was brought in specifically for that reason
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Moore is there to bring the light of God into his players' lives
He told the FCA that, so it must be true.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
GMDM is also willing to trade from weaknesses to shore up areas of irrelevance
e.g. trading a starting pitcher to get a backup CF
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by marbotty on Dec 9, 2008 4:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The funny thing about James
I know you’re just kidding, but I think I read in the 2006 Handbook that he doesn’t have anything to do with the projections. Nice. He just uses his name to sell them.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is weak
He lends his name to some projection system that he isn’t even involved in?
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, it's in his Handbook
and he does write part of that
Don’t quote me on that. It was just in the 2006 Handbook, and may have only referred to the pitcher projections and/or that year’s projections
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope at least he reviews the methodology and thinks it is good work
Clearly it isn’t one of the best projection systems. It might be the fourth best, and there’s a lot of space between #3 and #4.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I assume this is the Mrs. Ho-Ram we discussed elsewhere
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hoochie shoes, otherwise classy
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is probably offensive
But I have a strong feeling that I’d like the rear view even better.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, I'm not offended at all
and anyway, you just boosted our virtual testosterone level
I knew you’d like her (yikes, that’s WAY too much to know about someone over the internet)
Actually, given you expressed tastes, I was surprised you liked the Sara from Chuck so much.
I don’t dislike blondes, but I"ve noticed that they don’t get me going as much as some others. But “Sara” is breathtaking.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and anyway, you just boosted our virtual testosterone level
There’s nothing like reducing a woman to an assemblage of body parts to make me feel like a real man.
I knew you’d like her (yikes, that’s WAY too much to know about someone over the internet)
I’ll echo that yikes. And, who knew I was that predictable? Well, I knew, but I didn’t know that others did.
Actually, given you expressed tastes, I was surprised you liked the Sara from Chuck so much.
I don’t dislike blondes, but I"ve noticed that they don’t get me going as much as some others. But "Sara" is breathtaking.
Valid point. Usually the standard thin, linear blonde doesn’t really do it for me. I recognize they are pretty, but that’s about it. But there is something about that Sara woman. I’m not sure what it is. Every time I see her, I think she kind of reminds me of someone, but I don’t know who. Like, someone I know who I’m in lust with. It’s weird. Anyway, she really is breathtaking. One little thing I noticed is that her teeth aren’t those freakish celebrity teeth. She hasn’t had a dentist line them up perfectly and cap them or replace them with porcelain veneers. She’s beautiful, and yet looks somewhat…real. Did you know that she is an Australian of Polish descent who has an Australian accent and speaks fluent Polish? True story.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I cyberstalked her already
The face takes the cake. And I think her hair is a big part of it — it’s “done up,” but doesn’ t have that sickly look that “model hair” gets.
It also helped that they (at least at the beginning of the show) used to have her down to her underwear/lingerie at least once and episode.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It also helped that they (at least at the beginning of the show) used to have her down to her underwear/lingerie at least once and episode.
Shrewd move on the part of the producers. Those guys know what they’re doing.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i knew ny royal would like her
after his comments about kim kardashian
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Dec 8, 2008 11:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KK
In my book, she gets a 10 in appearance and a -1,000,000 in personality, intelligence, character, etc.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
she's basically Paris Hilton with better looks
although that’s probably selling KK short, as Paris Hilton is disgusting.
I think is very attractive, but not quite my cup o’ tea. Ymmv.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
KK is attractive
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
She is Hilton-esque, but not as reprehensible and detestable as Paris. If I had to have a long telephone conversation with one of them, I’d choose KK in a second, or just shoot myself in the head.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
without a doubt
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how can you throw her a 10 and sleep at night
i havent always agreed with you, but I at least thought you were a logical being!
p.s. jk
At least Wally Joyner's not on the team....
by tcon125 on Dec 9, 2008 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lust goes far beyond logic
If I ran my lust can’t be broken down on a spreadsheet. Although I have tried.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How can you not love Jose Guillen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vlCf-bz2X4
Werd.
by focs on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BOOO!!
You suck way to post a link jackass!!
Werd.
by focs on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite part...
is where Joey uses his incredible speed to run back over to Jose once he realizes that he hasn’t actually calmed down and is still likely to climb into the stands. He may not be able to hit his way out of a paper bag, but you can’t put a price on speed like that.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2008 10:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone please find me more Mrs. Podsednik pics!
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 8, 2008 11:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Since I believe she was in Playboy, that could easily become NSFW
Not safe for work.
Not safe for wife.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is my sanctuary from wife.
I know she’ll never look here..Didn’t know about the playboy.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 9, 2008 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will never mock Podsednik's GRIT again
although you have to wonder about her judgment.. surely she could have landed Buerhle
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont know if she is into amish beards
Werd.
by focs on Dec 8, 2008 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you...
Mmmmm.mmmmmmmmmm…….
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Dec 9, 2008 1:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
New Rumor for the royals..
Royals also add Russ Springer to the mix of arms they are looking at
Werd.
by focs on Dec 8, 2008 11:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this stuff makes me feel stupid
I shouldn’t even say this, but I barely know who that is… off to the intertubez…
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I KNOW!!! WOOO!111
He pitched for the cardinals
Werd.
by focs on Dec 8, 2008 11:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Russ Springer...hmmmm
I’m guessing:
-Pitcher
-Former Brave
-Born again Christian
-toolsy
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like ol' Russ has been racing the Grim Reaper
…and he’s been winning handily so far (kinda like Jamie Moyer). I don’t know if I want the Royals to be the team he’s playing for when he finally stumbles and the GR finally catches up with him.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, when I saw "39" I was turned off
he DID play for the Braves in 1999. You know, when he was in his late 20s.
But he tRAs look good, as do his FIP/ERA marcels. It’s all about money, of course.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He turned 40 in November
And 40 is not the new 30 in baseball terms.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 8, 2008 11:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it's the new 39
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by marbotty on Dec 9, 2008 4:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
some RUSS facts
(from Wikipedia)
born November 7, 1968 in Alexandria, Louisiana (southern!)
played for Braves
hit Barry Bonds more than once
far superior to Professor Farnsworth (not on Wikipedia)
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 8, 2008 11:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and borderline cajun
like meche and bako
by royalsreview on Dec 9, 2008 12:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
just for the record
I just ran the catchres, and even without fielding, I have Bako at exactly replacement level.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dayton Moore shoots down the Bradley rumor
11:20pm: Dayton Moore shot down the Bradley rumor this evening. The KC Star’s Bob Dutton says the Royals still like Rafael Furcal and Orlando Hudson, but they’d need to free up money first. They’d be willing to trade Jose Guillen if there was a taker, but don’t want to move Gil Meche.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
that's really too bad
I think signing Bradley would have salvaged the offseason.
Bradley+Leo+RamRam > Coco + Jacobs + hole in bullpen
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by marbotty on Dec 9, 2008 4:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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The Royals’ overloaded outfield prompted club officials to dismiss reports of interest in free-agent Milton Bradley, although that could change, possibly, if Guillen is traded.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:44 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
it's hard to view an outfield that features Guillen, Crisp, and Teahen as overloaded
it’s like saying we didn’t need a new SS because we were overloaded with TPJ and Jason Smith
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by marbotty on Dec 9, 2008 4:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he's in their demographic
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and the signing of Grud gets closer
I want that draft pick damn it.
Another good thing about possibly bringing in Farnsworth/Springer/Lyon is the draft pick compensation they could bring back for the 2010 draft if they’re signed to one year deals. That is a long ways off, but I guarantee it goes into the thought process.
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by doublestix on Dec 9, 2008 12:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can never figure out how that works
do they have to be good to bring back compensation? Because I have a hard time thinking Farnsworth will be, although Lyon looks good for the right price
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Advantage B. Lyon
Farnsworth is the least likely to play well enough to become a Type B FA. Springer may well pitch at that level, but he could easily play one year and then retire (as he’s 63 years old). Lyon is the only one who is likely to be pitch at the Type B level, and also be signed in the following season by another team.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Crisp better be average (reach fo the skies, baby!)
Looking at these guys Marcels compared to Ramirez… well, it’s not that big a deal, but they don’t look as good.
Sky gave me some tips on incorporating reliever leverage, btw. Pretty interesting (if predictable) results for 2008.
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by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My take on the 2009 bullpen
1. Soria
2. Rosa (replacing R. Ramirez)
3. Tejeda (replacing L. Nunez)
4. Mahay
5. Bale
6. ______________
7. Rule 5 acquisition
I think thats a pretty good bullpen. The blank was left for a potential FA signing. That’s my way of saying that the FA isn’t necessarily the Ramirez or Nunez replacement. Tejeda is a strikeout machine and I have a crazy mancrush on Rosa and his ability to miss bats and throw strikes. Other possibilities for the blank space above include pretty good relievers in Peralta and Musser.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 1:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FWIW
Greg Schaum thinks Tejeda is a breakout guy for next year. I wouldn’t be surprised either if he was, the guy was made for the bullpen.
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by doublestix on Dec 9, 2008 1:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As long as they don't consider moving him back to the rotation, he'll be a definite plus for the Royals
Unfortunately, the Royals #6 SP situation right now is murky. If one of the top 5 go down, who steps in? Duckworth? Rosa? They might consider Tejeda, which would be turning a positive into a negative. Hopefully they never seriously consider this.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i doubt they will
maybe as an emergency guy, like they did in september during the doubleheader. i’d bet on Ducky being the #6 guy with what they have now. then again, DM still might acquire a pitcher. it will be less murky by the end of the season when possibly Cortes and Wood are ready. for some reason I am really high on Wood, i think it’s cuz he really improved his changeup and now has three legit MLB pitches.
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by doublestix on Dec 9, 2008 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My pick for #6 would be Rosa
I know he has had injury problems, but if he’s healthy, let him make some starts if someone goes on the DL.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
mine too
but only if he didn’t have to make many starts. remember he has pitched only like 200 innings the past two seasons. with his injury problems it would not be wise to push him too hard.
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by doublestix on Dec 9, 2008 1:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
True
I wouldn’t heap innings on him. I was thinking spot starts here or there and/or making 3 starts while someone is on the 15-day DL.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 1:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You can always find a #6
Late winter or early spring. The trick is to not find a #6 named Brett Tomko.
by GoBabies!! on Dec 9, 2008 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if our biggest problem
is finding a #6? YAY!
by GoBabies!! on Dec 9, 2008 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one more thing
it sounds like DM is serious about Pimentel getting a shot at the bullpen. his future is almost undoubtedly in the pen, and the move now would probably make him ready or near ready. the knock on him is he’s sometimes inconsistent or loses focus on the mound. going one inning at a time would help that, and he does have pretty good stuff.
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by doublestix on Dec 9, 2008 1:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In 2009?
If he gets some time in Omaha in the early part of the season, then I would consider it. But I can’t imagine he’s ready to be a major league reliever yet. He’s never pitched above the AA level and he’s coming off of a season which at best was mediocre. I think guys like him and Chris Hayes might be ready by midseason if everything goes well in the first half of the season.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 1:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it sounds like 2009 is what he is implying
i don’t know. i am a bit skeptical as well but it sounds like they’ll at least give him a shot. he’ll be in big league spring training anyways since he’s on the 40 man. give him a few innings and see how he does.
doubt it will matter anyways. DM will almost assuredly sign an arm and pick at least one in the rule 5 to go along with who we already have competing for spots.
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by doublestix on Dec 9, 2008 2:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would imagine that it is the standard positive-spin-on-a-prospect that GM’s do, mixed in with some wishcasting. Seems like it would be a big rush to get Pimentel to the bigs by opening day. I’d be surprised if I saw him in KC before June (and that’s only if he starts the season in Omaha and pitches very well there in relief).
But this does underscore the point that the Royals still have some pretty good bullpen depth
Soria
Rosa
Tejeda
Mahay
Bale
Peralta
Gobble
Musser
Lowery
Pimentel
Hayes
Gobble and Peralta are arbitration eligible, so they are iffy. I think Gobble will be non-tendered and Peralta will go to arbitration. But I think that is a decent pool with nice depth. And I think you can likely add a Rule 5 acquisition as well.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 2:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leverage
I wouldn’t evaluate relievers based on leverage. That doesn’t tell you how well a guy pitched. It tells you how he was used. It’s basically throwing in a statistical advantage for having the “closer” or “set up man” tag. For instance, Tejeda pitched essentially as well as Nunez in 2008, but I’m sure Nunez pitched in higher leverage situations. That doesn’t mean he was the better reliever of the two in 2008.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not evaluating their talent
just their value to the team in 2008. Yeah, RamRam arguably outpitched Soria (note that this is different than saying he’s a better pitcher) in 2008, but Soria’s innings were more valuble. They come out about equal.
Leverage aside, Tejeda had a better FIP as a reliever, but Nunez had a better ERA, tRA, and pitched more innings. But, yeah, I think Tejeda can approximate that role this year.
The more you guys talk about this, the more I’m convinced there’s no point to signing Farnsworth, for sure, or for paying too much for Springer or Lyons.
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by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 11:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Leverage aside, Tejeda had a better FIP as a reliever, but Nunez had a better ERA, tRA, and pitched more innings.
True, but the difference in innings pitched wasn’t huge and was largely due to Tejeda being picked up during the season. And the difference in tRA was about .02 if I remember correctly. So I think they were very similar.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 11:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tRA was .3 difference
Still, not a huge difference. I still say Farnsworth is a waste of anything much above replacement salary at this point if Tejeda can do this thing.
Any word on what Springer/Lyon would take to sign?
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by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, I was thinking tRA+
Nunez 128
Tejeda 126
I guess that’s where I got the “2” from. Farnsworth doesn’t sound very interesting, but maybe they know something him we don’t. This FO does well with pitchers, so there might be something there. I haven’t read anyone even speculate about numbers for any of the three.
This is just my opinion. I could easily be wrong.
by NYRoyal on Dec 9, 2008 12:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
Lyon would almost assuredly be a type B after next year with a decent season.
Farnsworth had good markers for a rebound, his HR/FB% was a crazy 19%!!! Moving to the K would assuredly help him in that regard. A good season would probably put him in type B range.
Springer was actually a Type A, but the Cards didn’t offer, probably because they knew no one would sign him if they had to give a draft pick. Oddly enough, on a one year deal he might be the best option. He’s a fly ball pitcher that would succeed at “The K.”
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by doublestix on Dec 9, 2008 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you effing kidding me???
Via MLBTR: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/12/and_another_thi.html
According to one National League executive, the Kansas City Royals and Atlanta Braves have had serious discussions about a trade that would send outfielder Jeff Francouer to the Royals for pitcher Zack Greinke. The same source said he believed the teams were close to executing the deal, but that Atlanta was holding up any and all trade discussions until the Braves had a resolution of their pujrsuit of right-hander A.J. Burnett. Current Royals GM Dayton Moore (who interviewed for the Red Sox’ job during Theo Epstein’s walkabout in 2005-06) is a former member of the Braves organization who is eager to bring Francouer to Kansas City.
This makes so little sense on every level that I can’t believe someone would print it. Then again, if there actually IS an reality to this…then, good God…I don’t know even want to think about what I’d do.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2008 10:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
My guess is
Posturing by the Braves in order to improve their chances with Peavy and/or AJ Burnett. My guess is the Royals may be interested in Franceour, but not for Greinke.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2008 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How good is "posturing" when...
the alleged alternative to Peavy and Barnett is a trade “possibility” that is so ridiculous that some random Interwebs commenters immediate raise an enormous BS flag??
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Barnett"
or Burnett. Either one. The Braves are engaged in such trickery and shenanigans regarding their starting pitching acquisitions that they’ve even got me believing there is a mystery pitcher named Barnett.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2008 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Teams still think Allard Baird is the GM
So this doesn’t seem that preposterous.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2008 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be a stunningly stupid trade
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by buddyball on Dec 9, 2008 11:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, they're probably thinking
“Christ, Allard traded for Mike Jacobs, let’s give it a whirl!”
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 11:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well this is almost assuredly bogus
I call BS on this unless Jason Heyward, Tommy Hanson, Yunel Escobar and JoJo Reyes are all involved.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would be in favor of
Reyes, Escobar and one of the H boys + Franco but I’m sure the Braves wouldn’t give up that much.
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by kcscoliny on Dec 9, 2008 10:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What would KC get in return IF:
KC traded Greinke+Guillen (Braves take whole contract) KC could probably only expect to get Frenchy + 1 solid prospect in that move wouldn’t they?
I think maybe this is a possibility if GMDM has a expensive FA in his sight and needs to free up payroll and he is relatively sure Zack is willing to wait until he is a FA to sign with anyone.
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by kcscoliny on Dec 9, 2008 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't want
Anything to do with Franky.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2008 11:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Frenchy for Guillen might be a upgrade if Frenchy could return his power of a couple years ago.
Definitely a defensive upgrade
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by kcscoliny on Dec 9, 2008 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It would be an upgrade just dumping Guillen's salary
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by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 11:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I would either...
but he’s been rumored as going to the Royals for quite some time, so that part of this possibility (Moore’s interest) is very realistic. If KC got Frenchy + high-level pitching prospect plus Atlanta eating all of Guillen’s contract, and then Dayton was able to use the Guillen-dollars to sign either Furcal or Hudson, then the end result MIGHT be bearable. But that’s only IF Moore could definitely get a deal for either Furcal/Hudson done (and Furcal staying healthy all year, if he’s the one), and Frenchy having a solid (if not very good) year. Plus, what the hell would the Royals’ rotation look like next year?
Still, this would only be an acceptable alternative if Moore was virtually certain that Zack just wasn’t going to sign an extension before he hits FA. And even then, by making them take Guillen and his contract (instead of getting more players/prospects in exchange), much of the deal would just effectively be covering for the mistake of signing Guillen in the first place. That would leave a bad taste in my mouth about it no matter how it turned out on the field.
How many more years is Frenchy under team control? At least he’s cheap.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2008 11:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least he’s cheap
And, if everything breaks just right, almost worth every penny.
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 11:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Masseroti believes the Royals are idiots obviously
I haven’t read thru this whole blog so sorry if this has already been commented on.
Masseroti believes Royals-Braves are close to a Greinke-Francoeur swap.
I’m sure this is totally baseless
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by kcscoliny on Dec 9, 2008 10:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You and I
Owe Sweep the Leg a free coke.
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by RoyalsRetro on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry work comp on the fritz took me like 5 minutes to post that
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by kcscoliny on Dec 9, 2008 10:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I prefer Coke Zero
Gotta watch those calories. Don’t want my gi to start getting too tight.
by Sweep_the_Leg on Dec 9, 2008 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
How come we were
not leading a charge for Royals hero Mrs. Tomko? She didn’t even finish top 10!
by raefzilla on Dec 9, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
PORNSTARS NOW
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by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Which baseball player's
“hott” wife is she?
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on Dec 9, 2008 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
her name is Teagan Presley, I think
just look it up. But not at work.
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by devil_fingers on Dec 9, 2008 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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