HGH Doesn't Work?? OH MY!!!

by MileHighKCfan on Feb 12, 2008 1:46 PM EST Comment 13 comments

Sorry for posting 2 diaries in a row, but I thought I would just add some fuel to the fire and get some more long discussions going. Found this article today on the effects of HGH, as told to Congress by four different doctors today.

So as you can see, the mystery has been solved....or has it? Go ahead and let the debating begin, this should be fun.

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Don't let science get in the way

...of anti-HGH hysteria. We all know HGH enhances performance, end of story.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Feb 12, 2008 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Much like cork in the bat

I would imagine HGH does help you recover from injuries, which is why we're seeing a lot of pitchers and little guys, and only a few muscle bound sluggers.

If B12 really does carry no risk like this report suggests, then what's the big deal? Even the side effects of HGH seem kinda minor. Increased risk of diabetes...so what, so do Big Macs. You get a big head...big deal. Joint degeneration...you get that from playing sports anyway.

I know this isn't a conclusive study, but I have a feeling that PEDs are going to become safer and safer, and I wonder if people will continue to have abject horror and venom against them or will they accept the role that technology can play?

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 12, 2008 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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Similar to the quotes I posted in another thread about the lack of performance enhancing qualities of HGH:

Said Thomas Perls, an associate professor of medicine at the Boston University School of Medicine: "There is no credible scientific evidence that HGH substantively increases muscle strength or aerobic exercise capacity in normal individuals."

No.credible.scientific.evidence. And yet congressmen, journalists, fans and other laymen will continue to spread the disinformation that HGH enchances athletic performance.

And let's not forget that because Guillen isn't using HGH anymore, his performance will surely suffer. Good grief.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Feb 12, 2008 2:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I knew you....

would be at the forefront of this discussion. In fact, I posted it primarily to see how good your first sarcastic comment would be. Not bad I must say, pretty typical.

by MileHighKCfan on Feb 12, 2008 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I did my best :)

As far as a discussion/debate on the subject, I've already done that. Quite frankly, I don't think there is much left to say. There's science on the one hand and some anecdotal evidence on the other. In my mind, science wins. There really isn't even any debate in the scientific community about this. It's kind of like the global warming debate. Science is on one side and the "but it was cold here this winter" people are on the other side.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Feb 12, 2008 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I live in Kansas

We don't believe in science.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 12, 2008 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Classic!

by Stook on Feb 12, 2008 3:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They don't really know what it does

I think you are picking the parts of the article that support your argument and leave off the part that basically says they need to do more studies to know exactly how it effects atheletes. In other words..current evidence does not suggest that HGH increases performance. Doesn't mean that is what they will think forever and ever. We just don't know. Heck..Heroin was once used to treat morphine addicts. They didn't know that once heroin hit the liver it was converted into morphine. Whoops.

However if we didn't know what it does today, the players certainly didn't know what the effects would be 4-8 years ago. Truth is I have no problem with players that were injuried using HGH, because they thought it would help them heal more quickly and get back on the field. They're job is to play ball and they can't do that from the sidelines.

The bigger problem is the culture that thinks it's OK to illegally obtain and use drugs. I would like to know bigger picture how prevelent are cortisone shots? Can any player just walk up to the team doc and get one? Is this normal behavior within the clubhouse? I don't think any of use would have a problem with a player getting a cortisone shot. If it's that easy to get one then why not HGH?

by Stook on Feb 12, 2008 4:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I'm not saying that it is certain that HGH doesn't enhance performance or that they'll never find that it does. But, the scientific studies to date do not show that it enhances performance. Indeed, as many scientists have said, so far there is no evidence that it enhances performance.

So, claims that HGH-users have enhanced their performance by using such drug are wholly without merit or scientific support. And yet such claims are blindly repeated.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on Feb 12, 2008 5:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That's fair.

Honestly I'm not all that fired up about HGH either way. Heck I want me some. Just kidding, but I wonder if it would help my back pain.

by Stook on Feb 12, 2008 7:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm just glad to see that the

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee doesn't have any more pressing issues to deal with. That would be sad.

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by marbotty on Feb 12, 2008 4:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Congress gets the credit it deserves

Obviously they've solved all our problems and thus are able to spend time fixing baseball for us.

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by RoyalsRetro on Feb 12, 2008 5:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, how does this play in:

ESPN is running one of it's instant poll thingies, and the choice today was what you were more interested in - Clemens Congressional hearing, or the start of spring training.

Poll was running 65-35 in favor of the start of spring training when I voted.

Naturally, the ratio of articles by "indignant" writers was running the opposite. Shocker.

by loyal2s dad on Feb 12, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs