Obligatory 2003 Comparison Post
The Royals are 2-0 for the first time since 2003, when they started 9-0, and eventually 16-3.
That team actually then struggled for another twenty or so games, eventually falling to 27-28, before going on another mini-run that gave them the infamous 7.5 game lead in July, which of course they blew. As I posted today in the comments, in some ways, there are some similarities between what we think this team might be, and what 2003 was.
The 2003 team had a good offense, combining contributions from the late-90s talent mini-boom (Beltran, Ibanez, Sweeney, Randa were still around) with some random good performances by Desi Relaford, Mike Tucker and Berroa. They scored 836 runs, a total that has not been sniffed by the Royals since.
Pitching wise, the team was OK. For long stretches, maybe a little better than that, en route to allowing 867 runs. In just about every way, that team was entirely random, and hardly anyone on the '03 roster is even in baseball anymore, much less still a Royal. The American League Central was also much much weaker, and the Royals went 14-5 against the Tigers, who of course were one of the worst teams ever. The Royals also dominated a rebuilding Indians team, going 13-6 against the Tribe.
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I think this team has the pitching to carry the team through the season
...as opposed to the 2003 pitching which was a house of cards that came crashing down after the ASB.
The competition level of the division was much lower, but I think this team has more talent.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on Apr 2, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolultely agree
I don't think we'll come close to 83-79, but I think this team is probably better than 2003.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 2, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they could sniff 83
When I crunched the numbers on my individual predictions for the team, I came up with 82 wins. I ratcheted it back to 80 wins, assuming unreasonable optimism on my part. I think they are a near-.500 team. With a real breakout or two, they could surpass that.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on Apr 2, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching in 2003 was ok?
It was 12th in the league in runs allowed. It was pretty putrid, put together by smoke and mirrors. Only one guy qualified for the ERA title. Only two guys even threw 100 innings. Chris George had a 7.11 ERA and he was second on the team in victories.
The difference in pitching between 2003 and 2008 is night and day. This year's offense is nowhere near as good as 2003 however.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 2, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the royals allowed 155 runs in both august and sept
but the staff was actually solid earlier in the year, esp in April
by royalsreview on Apr 2, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a crazy year that was.
I went to the most Royals games I'd ever been to. One in particular I remember was a game against the Yankees.
The place was packed and the atmosphere was amazing.
I think we ended up winning like 13-11 or something like that. Some highlights I remember were an
-Aaron Guiel, bases clearing double down the line to take the lead after the Royals had given it up.
-Angel Berroa inside the park homerun.
-An amazing play by Berroa when he snagged a grounder up the middle and then fired it to 3rd to get a tag on a Yankee. ( What the hell happened to him)
- Best of all, after a rally by the Royals, my best friend running down the aisle and flipping off a Yankees fan out of nowhere (mildly innapropriate but, c'mon, it's the Evil Empire)
by I need more Esteban on Apr 2, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One of those games
I think we set an AL record for most doubles in a game.
I also remember an aging, broke down Kevin Appier reaching back for one last push and shutting the Yankees out for like 6 or 7 innings in a win. I think that was a sweep of New York.
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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 2, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that game was on ESPN, as i recall...
that series was the high point of the season, IMO. i absolutely loved that series, a three-game sweep of the yanks (as i recall) with a tremendous, 13-11 comeback and a kevin appier comeback making up two of the games. i think we blew them out the third game.
that was in july too, IIRC. of course, our season came crashing down after that.
by rockchalk on Apr 2, 2008 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet you were there
the night this was written.
I remember listening to that one on the radio - what a game!
Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!
by cmkeller on Apr 2, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A little more offense this year would go a long way.
I expect our pitching to be strong but will likely, as it always seems to do, drop off somewhat the last couple months.
We don't have any pushovers in our division to sandbag wins, but if everyone beats each other up all year long, I think we could manage 83-85 wins and take third. If Guillen has a career year, and Gord-But-Tea catch lightning in a bottle...third place if definately attainable...I just don't see any way of getting another big bat till next year, so the rest of the lineup also needs to step it up from last season. I think we need Grudz, so I would not like to see him go until a late season deal is made. True-Grit is contagious.
The bullpen still needs to prove itself. And the biggest problem I think we have is getting quality starts from our 4th and 5th starters....but if the stars allign this year, I think we will be better than the 2003 team.
Any shot at a wild card could only come if the Tigers and/or Tribe suffer massive injuries this year.
Hey weirder things have happened in baseball....and until all hope looks lost, I'm going to enjoy dreaming of the chance to make the post-season. How often do you get to feel this good about the Royals after the first two games of the season.
Here we are looking down on the division, with a 2-0 record against the "best in the central"....and instead of feeling pessimistic about the next game, I feel extremely optimistic knowing we have Greinke going against their third starter.
Perhaps best of all, how good does it feel knowing Larue isn't playing tomorrow!!!!!!!
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Apr 2, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bale could be a key
I think we'll get really good pitching from Meche-Bannister-Greinke and then something acceptable from the 5th starter. If Bale can manage to be an average major league starter, that would be a huge boost to the rotation.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on Apr 2, 2008 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw your post on Detroits site.
I went to see what they had to say about us. I was actually quite shocked at the respectfull nature of the blogs. I was expecting alot worse from them.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Apr 2, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've found that a lot of the SB Nation blogs have considerably smarter and more reasonable than average fans
Even the White Sox. I despise that team and yet I find the posts and articles at South Side Sox to be usually quite reasonable and I often agree with them.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on Apr 2, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah,
I got a kick out of reading the Indians opening game thread....Some of them were rooting for us as hard as the people on ours.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Apr 2, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In a similar vein:
I was switching back and forth between MLB Extra Innings and XM Radio for yesterday's (Wednesday's) game, and I have to say that the Tigers' radio guys -- Dan Dickerson and Jim Price -- had lots of good things to say about the way the Royals were pitching and playing in the first two games.
What a difference from the last few years, when those guys kept pointing out all the things the Royals were doing to dig themselves into deeper and deeper holes.
by 2X2L on Apr 3, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have to justify
losses to the lowely Royals by making us look improved....If they would have won the first two, I just know we would get no respect.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Apr 3, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were pointing out numerous flaws in the Royals' approach and execution even during the season-ending sweep in 2006, so I have to disagree. There's a genuine change in their assessment of KC.
by 2X2L on Apr 3, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,... hope I'm wrong....
It would be the first time though.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Apr 3, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a way to sort of place some of that offense
into a combo with this year's pitching?
by mazoboom on Apr 2, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not any more,
we passed on keeping Sweeny...Where is Guile?
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on Apr 2, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Selling insurance
or playing as a 4th OFer in Japan
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on Apr 2, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was weird about 2003
Is that even though we had no business winning even 83 games, I can still recall a number of close games we let slip away. Had we been able to hang onto a few of those games, who knows?
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on Apr 3, 2008 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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