Announcing the Nominees for the 2008 Mark Quinn Award
A brainchild of Royals Review reader "daveyork", the Mark Quinn Award is given annually to the most disappointing Royal hitter. Last season, Ryan Shealy, the preseason favorite, took home the hardware, thanks to a .221/.286/.308 campaign highlighted by a .113/.186/.208 that served notice that he wasn't messing around.

But to truly be a Quinn candidate, you can't just be bad, you have to truly disappoint when many held high hopes for you. While the Royals have had more than their share of disappointments over the years, it takes a special combination of circumstances to truly be a Quinn candidate. Essentially, you need to quickly rise to glory, then almost immediately fall off the face of the planet. Remember, here's the Mark Quinn career path:
Mark Quinn Through the Years:
1999: .333/.385/.733, 6 HRs (64 PAs)
2000: .294/.342/.488, 20 HRs (535 PAs)
2001: .269/.298/.459, 17 HRs (465 PAs)
2002: .237/.301/.368, 2 HRs (81 PAs)
Quinn peaked at age 26 and played his last Major League game at age 28.
Unfortunately, the composition of the current roster -- a blend of exciting young players and fairly generic veterans -- isn't conducive to the true spirit of the Quinn Award. Mark Grudzielanek, for example, might have a bad year, but he's 500 years old, and we all knew it had to end sometime. No, we were excited by Quinn, who peaked at a time when it seemed like the Royals could just generate hitters indefinitely (this was the Damon/Beltran/Sweeney Era), then completely fell apart.
Nevertheless, the show must go on, so without further ado, Royals Review is proud to announce the 2008 pre-season early-season nominees!
Mark Teahen: Royals fans were so high on Mark Teahen last off-season that they were too confident even to consider him a Quinn candidate. Despite being jerked around by team management, getting demoted to Omaha and being Canadian, Teahen returned to the lineup in June of 2006, and became Alex Rodriguez, hitting .333/.411/.599 over the next 74 games, before slowing down over the final two weeks and eventually being shut down due to injury. The "it" Royal or Brian Bannister of his day, Teahen became the source of numerous articles and blog posts, as baseball scientists wondered if his jump from a .685 OPS to a .874 mark (which included his dreadful start) was genuine. Well, it wasn't, at least not all the way: the power disappeared again (Teahen dropped from a .517 SLG to a .410 ) but he did hit for decent average (.285) and was essentially the only Royal who drew any walks, aside from DeJesus. Everyone was let down, but for whatever reason not violently so. Teahen got a lot of credit for being cheap, doing many things well, and being a flexible player, power or no power. Judging from the comments this weekend however, as the offense continues to flounder, I sense that Teahen's semi-adequacy may no longer be enough. I'm not even a very dedicated blogger and I've written far too much about him over the years, so what the true expectation is at this moment precisely is I don't know. I do know that the anger is building.
David DeJesus: Like Teahen, DeJesus has become one of the faces of the franchise, and was the first of the post-Beltran players to receive a contract extension with the team, signing a "lockup contract" in March of 2006. Grumblings began last season, when DeJesus scuffled through the worst season of his career, at age 27, hitting .260/.351/.372. He still took his walks, but lost a needed 30 points of batting average and 70 points of slugging, from a solid 2004-6 beginning to his career.
| BA | OBP | SLG | |
| DeJesus through 2006 | .292 | .362 | .434 |
| DeJesus 2007 | .260 | .351 | .372 |
Storm clouds actually began forming before the '07 season, when PECOTA saw him stagnating, which seemed alarming and silly at the time. Royals Review made him a pre-season nominee for the Quinn Award, which he would have likely won, had not Shealy turned in his memorable performance. Thanks to the struggles of Teahen and DeJesus however, the Royals fielded one of the worst lineups and baseball, and managed the lowest home run total in the American League since the 1994 strike. Finally, like Teahen, DeJesus isn't an ideal, or rather, typical Quinn candidate, because a significant portion of the fanbase has already soured on him. Still, he's supposed to be one of the foundations of the team's rebirth according to most blueprints, and still the only definitive major league ready, or near ready, centerfielder in the organization. If DeJesus really can't be the guy, then the Royals are in trouble.
Billy Butler: This nomination isn't suggesting that Butler will be out of baseball in two seasons, but he's the closest approximation to a pure Quinn candidate on the roster, thanks to Alex Gordon already disappointing us and lowering expectations last season. Butler gets constant criticism for his baserunning and defense, but I can't recall a single sentiment expressed that he will do anything other than mash. Last season, at the age of 21, Butler hit .292/.347/.447 in less than idea circumstances. At this moment, he's the second youngest player in the American League (Phil Hughes is a few months younger), and is hitting well. If Butler struggles a bit, which is likely, there'll be more than a few people a tad disappointed. Most will understand that you don't become Manny Ramirez overnight, but we'll still be let down nevertheless.
John Buck & Alex Gordon (Honorable Mentions): Buck is just a lesser version of the Teahen/DeJesus storyline, a supposed building block that may or may not actually ever get better. Buck flashed some impressive power last season in the first half, then slumped badly, a downturn caused, according to some (Buck included) by Buddy Bell. Zooming out a bit, Buck has been a remarkably consistent player, .230/.300/.400, more or less. Moreover, he's actually run hot and cold in just about every season of his career, posting some huge monthly splits, followed up by being completely hapless. (2006, for example) Still, the Quinn Award is all about perception, so if the same old Buck is suddenly seen as not good enough, or if he loses time to Olivo in a major fashion, he couls sneak in and win the award. As for Gordon, despite being totally un-Quinn like (like everyone else) he might have been a candidate last year, and his struggles have seemingly lowered his overall ceiling from Hall of Famer to perennial All-Star according to some projection systems. Gordon's disappointing campaign has already happened, but if he doesn't truly break out this season, at age 24, people might become nervous.
Breaking down the odds: The 2008 season is shaping up as an epic battle between Teahen and DeJesus, two generally well-liked players who may prove to be just not quite good enough. Despite a lack of any telling quotes about roles or expectations, it does seem like Moore/Hillman still don't quite know what they have in Teahen, and what they seem to want -- hitting him 3rd and 6th exclusively this years -- seems to be either a) the team's overall best hitter or a middle of the order "run producer". This is unfortunate, because his only established skill set is as a pretty classic two hitter. Another single-digit HR campaign for Teahen-as-3-hitter is going to make people unhappy. DeJesus is harder to evaluate because he's been out of the lineup and will most likely be held to an appropriately lower standard than Teahen, since he's a center-fielder. DeJesus also has a lower imagined ceiling than Teahen, but is also coming off a more alarming season in some respects. Butler really shouldn't win under any circumstances, but being let down is being let down, justified or not.
Here's how this typing in his mother's basement idiot sees the 2008 odds:
Odds of Winning the 2008 Mark Quinn Award
Mark Teahen- 41%
David DeJesus- 39%
Billy Butler- 8%
Field- 12%
Note: The pitching version of this honor is the Andy Sisco Award. Last season's winner, in a surprising and controversial announcement, was... Andy Sisco, even though he wasn't even a Royal. Stay tuned for the nominees for the Sisco Award.
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where have the true mark quinn's gone?
it is weird that last year Teahen didn’t get the award
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by LeoBloom on Apr 21, 2008 11:07 AM EDT 0 recs
Shealy
definitely was the obvious choice. Teahen or Emil being honorable mentions. I think other than power Teahen produced. Emil nothing much was expected of him in the first place. Shealy was expected to be a starting 1B and hit for power in the 5th spot in the lineup and that never happened. I think his shot of an MLB career is really limited at this point, reserve at best. Easily most dissapointing. Picking a Sisco will be much harder than the Quinn this year.
by lordbyronk on Apr 21, 2008 11:15 AM EDT 0 recs
The Sheik Is
Bucking for the Sisco.
Let's go, boys, to the toppermost of the poppermost!
by philofthenorth on Apr 21, 2008 11:25 AM EDT 0 recs
Also... I would have included Guillen
but ideally the Quinn should make his name as a Royal, and I’m not sure anyone is really excited about Jose
by royalsreview on Apr 21, 2008 11:29 AM EDT 0 recs
Any early picks for this season?
TPJ is at the top of my list.
by lordbyronk on Apr 21, 2008 11:42 AM EDT 0 recs
not really
I guess my skepticism comes shinning through. He’s a great defensive reserve, but I’m glad to see Callaspo getting more PT.
by lordbyronk on
Apr 21, 2008 12:44 PM EDT
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TPJ
The base minimum for any hitter in the MLB should be the Mendoza line, thus anyone who can fall as far below .200 as TPJ has would certainly be a nominee. A feat of spectacular incompetence. I saw him taking BP on Friday and Saturday and I was truly amazed at the complete hitting ability. TPJ would be lucky to hit .200 in batting practice.
Mr. Weatherstone
by Mr. Weatherstone on
Apr 22, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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Sorry . . . Lack of hitting ability
Mr. Weatherstone
by Mr. Weatherstone on
Apr 22, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
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focs just bet his life savings on Teahen winning the Quinn
by stuckinstl12 on Apr 21, 2008 11:54 AM EDT 0 recs
How about Joey Gathright?
In 2007, he hit 307/371/342, outperforming his career line of 266/333/314 (which includes his 2007) and raising expectations for 2008 to that point that some are calling for him to replace DDJ.
Poor Mark Teahen. A few days ago, he was a future genuine star and long-term contract candidate. Today, he is the frontrunner for the Quinn.
by Gopherballs on Apr 21, 2008 12:46 PM EDT 0 recs
Just Another Example
Of what small sample size can do.
Let's go, boys, to the toppermost of the poppermost!
by philofthenorth on
Apr 21, 2008 1:18 PM EDT
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I think it says good things
about this team that I really, honestly doubt that any of the top three candidates here will disappoint at the level necessary to win the Quinn.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on Apr 21, 2008 1:20 PM EDT 0 recs
Gathright isn't a bad choice I suppose
There is some love for him, but not too much.
Quinn… we joke about it now, but dude produced for awhile.
by royalsreview on Apr 21, 2008 1:34 PM EDT 0 recs
It's funny
There are many people I know who just don’t get that careers like Quinn’s happen so often. Average player after average player flames out in his late 20s, and everyone always goes “what happened to him?” I maintain that one of the things still alien to most mainstream baseball fans/writers are how skill sets lead to certain career paths. That said, Quinn was awesome in High Heat Baseball 2004.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Apr 21, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
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other side of the coin
if you are smart you should be able to find the next quinn off the recplaement heap
instead of… say… signing Jose Guillen
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
by DyeFan187 on
Apr 21, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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Quinn's career hardly measures up to Guillen's
and that doesn’t change based on a slow April.
And I’m not sure exactly what you mean by that first sentence.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Apr 21, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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understanding replacement level
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
by DyeFan187 on
Apr 21, 2008 5:07 PM EDT
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I don't get it.
I quite understand replacement level, and for awhile Mark Quinn was significantly better than that. Then he aged, and as with many average players, flamed out rather early.
I don’t get how that’s the flip side of what I said. I was just saying that a lot of people don’t understand that some players really are D-U-N done at age 30.
Jose Guillen has been, since coming into his prime, above average for a corner outfielder. I think that was the idea signing him.
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Apr 21, 2008 5:18 PM EDT
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its the flip side of understanding career archs
also knowing when guys are gonna step it up and deliver
we arent in disagreement
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
by DyeFan187 on
Apr 21, 2008 5:54 PM EDT
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Oh.
My fault then, I misunderstood what you meant by “flip side.”
A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.
by NHZ on
Apr 21, 2008 7:06 PM EDT
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I'd say...
the only guys eligible for this award are DeJesus, Teahen, and Buck.
Butler and Gordon are looking too good. Gload and Grudz are too old. Guillen will hit. I don’t think Gathright is eligible because I don’t think we actually had visions of grandure for him. Anyone who was expecting .280+ BA, .400+ OBP, 50+ SB was just dreaming. Same for Callaspo, German, or Olivo. Backups don’t have the expectations.
I’d say DeJesus is the most likely candidate as far as the expectations gap goes. My expectations for Buck were very low. Teahen appears to be on track.
My nomination in order – DeJesus, Teahen, Buck.
by Bart41 on Apr 22, 2008 12:37 AM EDT 0 recs
DeJesus Is Already
Injured, which has been good for his numbers in the past. Last year was his first full year, and he fell off significantly. Maybe he needs the pine time. That would be fine if Gator would fill his down time with decent numbers.
Let's go, boys, to the toppermost of the poppermost!
by philofthenorth on Apr 22, 2008 2:13 AM EDT 0 recs
I like Gathright
I think Gathright is a good choice. He has played really well recently. Makes you wonder how good he can be. I got a jersey of this guy recently. If he wins this award, I hope he could sign for me!! LoL!
by srrtud on Apr 22, 2008 7:15 AM EDT 0 recs
I think Gathright is the obvious choice
But among those candidates I’d probably take Teahen, although I’ve been impressed with his plate discipline thus far. I just don’t see him hitting for much power.
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by RoyalsRetro on Apr 22, 2008 12:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Definitely Gathright
Teahen and DeJesus had down years. How could they possibly be Quinn Award eligible? Don’t you have to have a good year, and then follow it with a bad year?
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on Apr 22, 2008 1:06 PM EDT 0 recs
That leaves the list of nominees very short
Very few players in our pathetic offense had a good year. Blech!
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by RoyalsRetro on
Apr 22, 2008 2:25 PM EDT
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Who came up with the Mark Quinn Award?
I just stumbled across this and think it is partly funny and partly ignorant. I am a big fan of Mark Quinn’s and I have known him since high school. Nobody has been let down more than him over his Big League numbers. What most fans don’t know is the reason behind the numbers is all the freak injuries he had. In 2000 he played a month with a bad hamstring and still hit over .300 that month. Then in 2001 he was Royals player of the month in April while hitting .325 with 9 homers. Then came the injuries. DL stint for a bad back and he was out 3 weeks. Then another DL stint later that year for a hamstring injury. Then he showed up to camp in 2002 with a broke rib that he didn’t know about and missed all Spring Training, then he came back in May of that year and just started getting hot, then the big injury came. On a Friday night Royals vs Cardinals game in KC he slipped in the outfield and completely tore his left Hamstring and missed the rest of the year. The truth about Mark Quinn is around Houston, TX nobody says anything bad about Mark Quinn. He is known as a legend here and one of the best hitters ever that grew up in Houston. He was inducted into the Rice University Athletic Hall of Fame this winter and can still be found in the batting cage at Rice taking those ferocious hacks he is known for. He also on back to back AA then AAA batting titles. None of these hitters you guys talk about are anywhere near the hitter Quinn was and still is!
by Royal14 on May 3, 2008 12:46 PM EDT 0 recs












