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There is no Premium on Ideas, or, The Battle For Grass Creek is Not Alone

I wasn't going to write anything about Buzz Bissinger and his petulant, sanctimonious, and ill-informed rage. Not that I didn't care, far from it in fact; it actually ruined my day yesterday. Being told, even indirectly, "you suck" for the millionth time, by someone who in some sense you respect, even admire, and in any case has ultimate scoreboard over you, isn't very fun, although sadly, I've had plenty of time to get used to this sort of thing.

Then I saw this: Step Aside Yankees Universe and Red Sox Nation.

A collaborative piece posted by Jim Baker, Jonah Keri and Mike Philbrick on April 30th on ESPN's Page2, Step Aside is a humorous parody of the the endless, and endlessly tiring Yankees-Red Sox rivalry and the purple prose that it's generated. Ha! The Orioles and Rays, two pathetic teams, dividing a town miles from both and obviously not a battleground. That's pretty good. There's even a take on the old saw about familes being divided, and it's all the better because the town, in this case, Manning, South Carolina, is simply a tiny lil dot on the map.

The post on Page2 (or is it Page 2?) is funny, and I would have enjoyed it, as it's the kind of thing I really love. Unfortunately, I didn't, because I wrote something highly similar almost exactly one year ago: The Battle for Grass Creek, Wyoming. Parody of Yankes-Sawx? Check. Two pathetic teams with no actual rivalry? Check. Highlighting a tiny town sarcastically caught in the middle? Check.

Not that they were identical. The Page 2 "battle" included some great Rays-O's games, while I tried to dig a little deeper into Grass Creek (which wasn't easy, since in reality, it isn't actually a town anymore). In subsequent posts I've played up the players who've gone between the Mariners and Royals, which wasn't stressed on ESPN, while they went with the future as a framing device. I do take immense pride in the fact that, God knows how, a man who grew up in Grass Creek actually found my post, contacted me and shared his stories and thoughts on what the place was like. That remains one of the most satisfying things thats ever happened to me in connection with this site.

ESPN (The World Wide Leader in Sports):

Just off Interstate 95, not all too far from Florence, S.C., is a little place called Manning. In the giant battle zone that is the Orioles-Rays rivalry, this unassuming way station on the great coastal corridor just happens to be the very front line. Sitting equidistant to Baltimore and St. Petersburg, Fla., it represents the physical demarcation line of loyalties in this epic encounter of enmity. All those to the south of Manning are in the Rays' camp. All those to the north side with the Orioles. Any deviance from this geo-fandom would be a betrayal of the natural order of things.

In Manning, though, the lines are not so clearly drawn. Here, where the two great regions dominated by these team allegiances abut one another, it is neighbor against neighbor -- and very often brother against brother, father against son and pastor against parishioner.

Royals Review (Part of the unwashed masses with no standards and intelligence):

Royals-Mariners is always special. The proximity of the two cities, as well as their long historical rivalry, would alone justify the contempt. When you factor in the nearly annual 1-2 finish the Royals and M's produced in the old AL West (who can forget 1992?) and the countless greats who have shuttled between the two teams what emerges is a battle for the American soul: are you a Mariners fan or a Royals fan?

How you answer that question says everything about you.

And this is why the Gil Meche signing was not only the biggest news in sports this December, it was a cultural and historical event. Gil switching teams altered the emotional state of an entire region. It was a betrayal, it was a new found friend, it was the jilting of a lover and the gaining of a mistress. It was everything.

It divides families, college campuses, marriages and army units. Each side knows just what the other side hates most to hear, and vice versa. Every year ESPN jams the rivalry down our throats, knowing that we'll only beg for more. Mariners fans think the Royal cronies are bandwagonners, while Royals fans think the Mariner supporters are self-important and annoying. The Royals are sleek, corporate, professional and classy. The Mariners are swept by the tides of the sea, romantic, given over to loathing and self-doubt.

Caught in the middle of this culture war is Grass Creek, Wyoming.

Let me be clear, I do not think Baker/Keri/Philbrick stole my idea. I really don't. I don't think they did so directly, indirectly, consciously or unconsciously. Not only would it be wrong to assume so, it would be grossly presumptuous. Even though this last month was the biggest in the history of this site, my audience is astronomically small compared to the WWL, as they call themselves. It's hard to even imagine a scenario in which something from Royals Review ended up in front of them, especially from a year ago. No, I just think we both ended up in the same place by pure coincidence. A coincidence driven by the simple fact that the whole premise is a good idea.

On any other day, my reaction would be a slightly frustrated bit of pride, but on the post-Bissinger Thursday, frankly, I feel angry and bitter. Bitter that people who don't even read 99% of the good blogs out there still have the platform to make blanket statements. Bitter that, in a strange way, I feel like I have written quality content, content that's basically been ignored in this false and idiotic debate that's been based on medium and format.

When I started writing on this site, I imagined that the worst thing that could possibly happen would be getting a cease and desist letter from the Royals regarding the name, or some trumped up claim of defamation or copyright infringement (not that there's actually any defaming here, ever). Perhaps the next closest fear was getting an angry email from some player's girlfriend telling me what an idiot I am and what a joke I am and how pathetic I am. Hasn't happened. I've received one angry email from a reporter (which we talked out and ended well) and I've received one angry email from a Kenny Rogers supporter, which was not threatening but was certainly negative.

The funny thing, is that the most upsetting bit about being a blogger is that, for some terrible reason, about once a month I get word from Michael Wilbon or Bill Simmons or Rick Reilly or now, Buzz Bissinger, that I'm an ignorant, no-talent hack who lives in his mother's basement , hates civility, breeds cruelty and regularly butchers the English language. As regularly gets pointed out, the unmistakable vitriol in many of these blasts bespeaks a clear sense of being threatened, which is both understandable and ironic. But it's also just dumb. Really really dumb and tiring. It's about the same as Steve Nash showing up at a middle school, yelling at everyone that they can't shoot free throws, challenging one kid to a contest and then pumping his chest.

This may sound weak, maybe even too much so, but beyond anything else, these recurrent "controversies" hurt my feelings and depress me more than anything else.  We often hear writers of all kinds brag about how little they get paid and how they're in it for all the right reasons. Well maybe they should consider the position of someone who does something for free, for almost no audience. Yet, I'm supposed to be the one who doesn't care about pure language and the beauty of words, in Bissinger's world.

Oh, and of course, also without any talent or standards. Best not to forget that.

If you only knew, Buzz. It's a sad fact of life that we are destined to lose sight of our roots, to lose connection to the motivations and circumstances that pushed us to succeed in the first place. This is what so many artists never quite match that first novel, album, or set of poems. So let's step into mine for a moment: in two weeks this site will celebrate it's third year of existence. Over that span, I have made probably $1,500 dollars total (see those text links in the sidebar), and that probably won't grow any time soon, since Google has killed the text link industry. Still, Royals Review is the most satisfying writing I've ever done, because of the feedback and interaction I have with readers. Compared to my supposedly real work, it's not even close. Let's see, there's the scholarly article I spent  over a year working on and submitted seven months ago. Feedback? None. Response? None. Comments? None. Nothing. But just because I want even more pain, I'm also trying to finish a novel this month, which by my calculations stands about a two percent chance of ever getting published, and if so, that'll be sometime next decade. Maybe those with a built-in audience can't see how the simple ability to have a voice can be inspiring. Maybe those who detest the public can't grasp how the entire internet isn't a "wild west" of idiocy. What is clear is that the Buzz Bissinger who was able to avoid cliche and generalization and see around the sides of issues in Friday Night Lights is long gone, at least when he has something personal at stake. Or inaccurately feels like he does, as it were.

In the last few years, and this is a point Will Leitch has made brilliantly, we've been able to see just what the established media thinks of their audience, and it isn't pretty; we aren't capable of insight, we aren't capable of a well-turned phrase, we aren't capable of being polite and we aren't capable of reading big kid books. But by all means, keep watching Costas Now! And this is in the world of sports by God. Sports! Not foreign policy, not economics, not chemistry, sports! The mind boggles.

So, in sum, it wasn't a fun day to see -- via Lookout Landing actually -- that one of my ideas was executed so similarly by a set of pros. It should be affirming, even a small vindication, but, today at least, it's just another iron in the fire of resentment and sadness.

 

 

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Go Raiders . . .

by Seth C on May 1, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whats the novel about?

oh…and fuck em…you do a stellar job with this site

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 1, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wasn't that Woody from "Cheers."

Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call. "

by grudz96 on May 2, 2008 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wouldn't you like to get away...

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 3, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When did Bill Simmons rip on bloggers?

I don’t know whether he did or no, I’m just curious and surprised if he did.

by devil_fingers on May 1, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

big SI piece they did

when they had their obligatory internet=crazy story, bought 18 months ago i think

by royalsreview on May 1, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, too bad

and ironic, since he’s a product of the internet (even got his ESPN job by his writing on a pre-blog era self-run website, I think) and his style is a inspiration for a lot of writers.

I must confess that I still like most of his stuff, even if I now can see the generic spoiled only-child-of-well-to-do-liberal-parents thing behind a lot of stuff. And the recent “if x keeps happening I’m moving to Canada” is annoying (to me, an American living in Canada).

I think his concern has turned from blogs to the Tuesday Morning QB guy, who (and I know a lot of people hate this guy) write even longer columns, and is much erudite and mature than Simmons. Oh well. All great things contain the seeds of their own destruction. Even things that are merely “good” (cf. The Office, Firejoemorgan, deadspin, C. S. Pierce… well, one of these things is actually super-duper great, but figure it out yourself).

by devil_fingers on May 1, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

simmons was by far my favorite writer....

before the Sox and Pats started winning. now i just skip all of those columns. i love reading his NBA stuff more than any other writer and i love his mailbags and his live chats

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 1, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

He was quite witty, but now he’s an annoying Boston fan, and much of his schtick just gets recycled over and over and over and over again. I think I threw up in my mouth.

I still like reading his NBA stuff too though.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 2, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

simmons had a phase a while ago where he was getting jealous that...

deadspin, biglead, etc were taking a bunch of his readers and such….no blog negativity that ive seen recently…also, it probably doesnt help that he’s nearly public enemy number 1 on those sites…they like to make fun

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 1, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simmons basically invented a style of writing

but not surprisingly, he’s gone a little hollywood on us, literally

if he isn’t talking about boston teams or being another anti-Arod anti-manning schill, he’s still good

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 2, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would suggest legal action

You have some serious intellectual property issues here. If you’ll pay the court fees, I’ll represent you on a 25% contingency.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 1, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not only is your piece better

but the Mariners/Royals have a better rivalry. Keep up the good work!

by jtopps on May 1, 2008 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the last two years

the royals have stolen Meche and Guillen from them, it’s getting craaazy

ohh, and there’s also the bannister connection, with Brian going against dad’s old team

by royalsreview on May 2, 2008 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sue them.

At least get it taken down. Such a blatant copy it’s not even funny. If you don’t think they stole your idea, you’re crazy. I’d be contacting one of the higher ups at ESPN asap about this – I find it hard to believe they would look favorably upon their writers doing this.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 2, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am sure there will be more of Buzz' sounding off in the future

I read about buzz’ rants yesterdat at “Fire Joe Morgan” and rolled my eyes at the lunacy. I am a Red Sox fan that stumlbed upon RR a while back and love coming back here for the baseball talk, the top #100 Royals, stories like the Beltran trade review, and the review of the towns that cover Royals games.

I am thankful that you choose to write on this site. As a Sox fan, the MSM provides me guys like Bob Ryan and Dan Sh wrapped up in their sanctimonius, know-it-all attitude that literally gives me a head-ache. Please keep writing, and sign me up for a copy of that novel.

by hanscastorp on May 2, 2008 12:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah RR, there is a premium on ideas.

I get that this (perhaps) unintentional rip-off bugs you. These guys deliver a very close replica of your novel and effective theme to a mass audience with the force, and help, of the WWL behind them. I can barely imagine the effort you had to exert to create and maintain this online community. That you receive little tangible reward for your efforts while they gain status and pay for such a similar product would certainly grind on anyone. But I’d hate to see you come to the conclusion that your efforts are pointless.
From my truly selfish perspective, Royals Review has made following the Royals exponentially more fun. To some degree, this website is the only medium through which I can follow them this closely. I suspect that either is, or has been at some point, true for many people here who reside outside of the KC area. But really, if the only thing I found here was “TPJ sucks!”, I’d have checked out a long time ago (not that he doesn’t and not that there isn’t a place for that commentary here). But you have created a unique and engaging discourse that is purely a result of your talent and effort. And that is the real point.
If, as appears to be the case, you’ll pursue a career as a writer, you will be trafficking in ideas more than commas and clauses. This site, to me, appears to be a place where you can hone that skill. That you’ve cultivated an audience full of people who have no reason to stick around if the content is poor should tell you quite a bit about your effectiveness.
I’ve probably rambled a little too much. Main point:
The strength of your ideas is the reason people are here. That there is so little short-term benefit is indicative of nothing. I’ll take the liberty of speaking for all of us and extend our gratitude for all of this (waves arms).

by stuckinstl12 on May 2, 2008 1:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RR... don't let the idiots get to you. This is a great site.

Your writing is what keeps most of us coming back and adding our two cents worth. So, pick that chin out of the dirt and get on with it. I will take a copy of the next great american novel too. Go Blue…

Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call. "

by grudz96 on May 2, 2008 1:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I admire you for taking the high road

but ESPN sucks.

Intentional or not, it can be disheartening when your ideas are stolen, appropriated, or coincidentally reproduced. They say that imitation is the best form of flattery, but I’ve always found that flattery’s just a fancy word for brownnosing, and nobody likes a brownnoser.

Which begs the question: why would someone bother to brownnose someone sitting in their underwear, typing on a computer in their mother’s basement? Obviously some or every part of that equation doesn’t add up. (I know I certainly don’t understand it, and I just wrote it.)

I recall when Clem Shepherd wrote on this site about wrestling a bear in his younger days. One year later, I’m watching a trailer for a Will Ferrell movie, and there’s a scene featured in which he wrestles a bear.

Coincidence? Yes, completely. (After all, Clem Shepherd won.)

But even though I knew in my head the odds of that idea being lifted from a tiny piece written on a semi-obscure blog were about as remote as could be, there still was a tiny piece of me that thought, hey, somebody ripped off the idea. Of course, it was just a throwaway line in a single article in a field completely distinct from the one the producers of the Ferrell movie occupy. There’s no reason to believe a hollywood scribe would ever come across it.

But what about instead of a single line, it was a whole series of articles, mentioned across at least two different websites?

And what about instead of it being a single person, from an entirely different industry, borrowing the idea, but several folks in the exact same business that we know for a fact have colleagues (Normandin, Neyer, Rany) that read this site?

I doubt there was a conscious effort to steal the idea. But to say that it was impossible that your site had any influence on it, even on an unconscious level, is not giving yourself enough credit.

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by marbotty on May 2, 2008 2:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

You are right.

The comments point was well taken to me. Not many are guilty of this around here except for the occasional rant of explicit language when some pitcher doesn’t get the job done or the Royals can’t score. On a lot of blogs, though, there are such ignorant comments that have no merit to anything at all.

Will, you are not one of these bloggers that Bissinger talks about. You do an amazing job at this site and I know it is appreciated by every person that comes onto this site. Hell, you even had a Red Sox fan up there say that he comes on the site because it’s run so well with great writing. That is really impressive to me. Keep it up and know that you have loyal followers at every corner.

Someone email this piece by Will to Buzz Bissinger. I’m sure he would appreciate this blog.

by I need more Esteban on May 2, 2008 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Conflating comments

Jonfmorse’s second point was exactly what riled me up about that piece as well. I mean, there was the whole idiocy and hasty generalizations and blah blah blah, but the red herrings (and the hypocritical red herrings at that, as jonfmorse points out) are the arguments about comments, and for some reason they even frustrate me more than the other, more obviously fallacious, thinking. And that, in itself, is enough for me to see that Buzz (and to some extent Bob) just didn’t know what he was talking about. Conflating comments with actual blog content is just stupid, and undermines one’s ethos sufficiently that the rest all just becomes white noise.

For a nice (albeit tangentially related) parody that actually pre-dates Buzz’s comments, check out Colbert’s interview of Markos… some nice commentary on blog comments.

http://www.comedycentral.com/colbertreport/videos.jhtml?videoId=91549

by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on May 2, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

Excellent posts that summed up my feelings exactly.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 2, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know... I know... I can't even think about it anymore

it’s just so depressing that these are the people who are still the gatekeepers

by royalsreview on May 2, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep up the good work Will.

This really is a great site and your the driving force behind it. Think of how many people check this site daily all because of something you created. Kudos.

by djk royal on May 2, 2008 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thanks

although honestly, it really isn’t me, it’s the site as a whole and format of it

by royalsreview on May 2, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Buzz Bissinger could log on the internets and visit Royals Review

It would probably go a long way to changing his mind on the quality of blogs.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 2, 2008 11:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

I hate to sound like I’m “giving up” on another person, given all the patience people need to deal with me. But he’s already made his mind up. He’d find the most obnoxious comment/diary and decide that was representative.

Plus, I’d say the dominant tone of this site is pro-sabremetric, which I’m pretty sure he hates.

Incidentally, I wonder how much his thinking “blogs” is influenced by the way his piece on Kerry Wood and the problem of pitch counts and young pitchers was dismantled and shown to be utter uninformed and unresearched BS by a bunch of geeks in….. (line)

by devil_fingers on May 2, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Buzz would be uninterested and unimpressed

and I do think that part of his anger has been motivated by his stuff on TLR/August and his NyTimes piece on pitch counts… both of which were, gasp!, criticized by people who didn’t goto phillips exeter

by royalsreview on May 2, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing

I’m assuming most people reading this have also read joepo’s blog comments on the now-famous “incident.”

Does anyone else think that Costas decided against having Posnanski on there because Bissinger wouldn’ t (or would have and looked even more horrible) have been able to go off on him, and that Pos would be more immediately sympathetic to older people, while ably defending blogs, making distinctions, and generally taking “Buzz” (nice medals, Top Gun!) and Bob to school? Not to mention that he was one of the people who, on a blog (his soulofbaseball one showed Buzz’s article on minor league innings to be crap?

by devil_fingers on May 2, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From what I've read

They wanted conflict on the show, and Costas did little to mediate or try to get any kind of reasonable discourse going. Bad for ratings!

And what the hell was Braylon Edwards doing there?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 2, 2008 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw JoePo's post yea

and was equally confused as to why Braylon Edwards was there…

just weird

by royalsreview on May 2, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think -- for some reason -- he wanted the player's perspective on blogs

Do you read them? How do you feel about them? How do you feel about pictures of players like you at parties being posted on sports blogs? It was pretty pointless.

I just saw the Bissinger – Lietch segment for the first time a few minutes ago. Wow, he really lost it. I just wish he knew more about blogs before he went on an out of control rant about them. He doesn’t understand the difference between posts/articles and comments. He doesn’t recognize any difference between various kinds of fan sites and sports blogs. He just really doesn’t know much about them at all. Costas’s interview after that in the KC Star media blog was much better. He recognized that Bissinger was over the top and did a disservice to his own points. And Costas pointed to some genuine and fair criticisms of blogs.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 2, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

which raises the question

why does anyone care what Costas thinks?

I mean, seriously. What if he had set up a forum on steroids and brought on his featured guest/old buddy who went on and on about a topic he clearly knew nothing about. It’s just really stunning when you actually stop and think about it. Not so much their opinions, but the fact that almost no research or knowledge drove the entire segment.

As I said in another comment, that’s what really terrifies me. These are the gatekeepers we have…

by royalsreview on May 2, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is a well respected sports journalist

He is just one voice among many, but I think his is both a respected and fairly reasonable voice. He doesn’t bash blogs across the board. I think he values them as a source of information and discussion. But he is critical of them in some fairly reasonable ways. And when he critcizes them, he usually points out that no criticism is true of all or even most blogs.

MSM journalists tend to either dismiss or revile blogs because of their frequent crudity, ad hominem nature and lack of journalistic standards and ethics. New media tends to dismiss MSM as not sufficiently investigative, insufficiently willing to really speak the truth and dismisses all criticisms as MSM showing how threatened they are. A truly reasonable person recognizes the benefits and flaws of both the MSM and new media. They are both good, and they are both bad, in very different ways. Unfortunately both sides tend to recognize their own virtues and think the other side is almost entirely without value.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 2, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, RR

I have wondered this for years in general: why does anyone care what journalists think?

Don’t get me wrong, I’m not on some media-hating bandwagon, either of the “its a liberal-secular humanist conspiracy” or “they all serve the capitalist hegemony” variety. But since at least high school I’ve often wondered why, in a newspaper editorial page, a newspaper editor or person trained to write/report is someone who has a special platform to give us their thoughts, when their special qualfiication is, well, not that they are experts in whatever thing they are writing about (unless it’s media criticism), but that they write and report for a living. Um, wouldn’t we rather hear form an expert in the field?

It’s not that I think that something well-written can’t shed light on a subject better that a boring piece of “expert testimony” can—a trivial example might be that Michael Lewis’s book probably turned more casual fans onto a more objective way of understanding baseball performance than baseball prospectus without Lewis being an expert. [NB: This is not meant as a slam on BP’s writers. Just an example of where I think good writing/journalism can function helpfully without the pretense of having a privileged ability to sift the facts and state and opinion]

So, in my meandering, long-winded way of getting to my nearly non-existent point, maybe the real threat toward people like Buzz and Bob of the open access of blogs to all isn’t the idiots and vulgar masses, but that intelligent people (say, doctoral students in literature; or pork and beans guards) who think, read, and write in ways that are equal (and probably superior) to jocksniffers like Buzz will expose the decreasing need for writers like Buzz to “inform” us of “facts” that are really just his opinions wrapped in purple prose. The “privileged access” and standpoint of the journalistic crusader is have its increasing uselessness exposed, and the elite doesn’t like it.

As Frank Zappa put it in a different context, “Poof! There goes your tenure!”

by devil_fingers on May 2, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Costas is a broadcaster

who has made a career out of supposedly being smart and articulate… this boils down to over-the-top romanticism during baseball games and making jokes with Olberman during the NBC pregame show

he’s been given numerous platforms to just sit around and be a smart guy, none of which seem to have been all that good (Later, Costas Now, his radio show)

he’s all hat and no saddle

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 2, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think he is very intelligent and articulate

I’m not huge fan of Costas. In addition to being intelligent and articulate, he’s also a little jerky and thinks he’s funny when he usually isn’t. I liked him on “Later.” He showed that he’s intelligent and on things other than sports. His books are also well written. The guy is smart and knows how to put words together. He is much more thoughtful and contemplative in his opinions and analysis than the vast majority of sports broadcasters. And he knows baseball.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 2, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love it

Excellent, excellent post.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 2, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a Lookout Landing person over here.

I just wanted to let you know I’ve really enjoyed reading your site since this you wrote this article. I check it out every few weeks when the Royals and M’s aren’t playing and check it every day when they are. Keep up the good work and don’t get discouraged by these ESPN “journalists”.

by Jed MC on May 2, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

“In North Platte and in Omaha
There’s a growing feeling of hysteria
Conditioned to respond to all the slights
In the maniacal comments from Seattleites
Piniella said we’ll out-homer you
I don’t subscribe to his point of view
It would be such an ignorant thing to do
Seattle loves their Mariners too.”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 3, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW

is that a Sting reset?

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 3, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I screwed up a little though

I used Piniella on purpose, but should have used Dick Williams instead of Piniella to keep the chronological parallel fully intact. :x

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 4, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not a doubt in my mind they stole your idea

The mainstream media does this all the time. That they talk out of one side of their mouth disparaging the medium of blogging only makes it more infuriating.

by Rev Halofan on May 2, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think a strongly worded letter...

...from your attorney at the law firm of Dewey, Cheatem & Howe to ESPN would be in order.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 2, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1 cartalk/stooges

The first thing I know about someone in a KC hat is that they're loyal.

by grantfunk on May 2, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's worth noting as part of the 90% of crap

that i have never, ever, yet been as interested in anything the Mainstream Sports Media had to say as i am in your posts. i appreciate the whole ‘group effort’ thing, and there are some posters i find to be pretty hilarious and insightful, but i’ve also seen some of the other SBNation pages. I won’ t point fingers, but they blow (while i’m typing it, buzz kiss my) ass. There is no reason adults can’t use adult language (if i were more patient i’d do the whole ‘profanity is only profane because we decided it was thing…. but i don’t even use appropriate capitalization) to speak about a ‘recreational’ activity that our tax dollars pay to support. I do not need someone on a network with a show called ‘the best damn sports show period’ to scold me about language. you have dug in, done the work and created a living, breathing entity that takes information in one end, processes it and then produces takes that jim rome would eat his blackberry for.

quality content wins and makes me come back. RR provides it so i do.
p.s. here’s a fun way to get back at them: get rid of your tv. now what are they gonna do?

The first thing I know about someone in a KC hat is that they're loyal.

by grantfunk on May 2, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think its hilarious

That he opened his diatribe on the profanity in blogs, by telling Will Leitch, “I have to interject here, you’re full of (expletive describing fecal material)”

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 2, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

what a douchebag. is it telling that i’ve never heard of the ass before this?

The first thing I know about someone in a KC hat is that they're loyal.

by grantfunk on May 2, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

my favorite part was the

HAVE YOU READ W.C. HEINZ?!?

and then Leitch saying he had

but BB still pushing forward with his idiotic point anyway

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 2, 2008 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

From LGT – keep up the good work.

by macasson on May 2, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i only had to read two lines...

I’m an M’s fan and only had to read the first few lines of the Page 2 bit before I started thinking “haven’t I seen this before?” I actually had to search for “Royals blog” to find this site and confirm my suspicions.

Dude, you got robbed. Keep up the good work.

by davidmartin on May 2, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hi Will, Not like I know what I am talking about, but…

I expect about a thousand people read Royals Review semi-regularly. You make their lives better with your own writing and with your ability to maintain an environment at Royals Review that keeps people coming back. That is a real contribution.

I am sure you did not start writing Royals Review with goals far humbler than what you have already achieved.

Presumably, you still enjoy writing about baseball and adding your angle to what it means to be a fan of the Royals.

You’ve accomplished more at Royals Review then you could have ever expected. The site has given more back to you then you probably expected. No need to redefine who you are or what you were trying to accomplish based on the ill informed and rude remarks of some guy who is most likely dealing with his own professional issues by lashing out at things beyond his control.

I don’t know if my writing this helps at all. I’m just trying to bring some perspective. Don’t let the anger, no matter how justified, poison the accomplishments.

Like you, my material is "lifted" from time to time by newspapers and radio hosts. Sometimes they just use the same ideas and insights, sometimes they copy the actual wording. It bugs me. I’d like it if they would at least give me an acknowledgment. I just try to write it off as a poorly delivered compliment and not dwell on it. What I really am thinking is that these are examples of unprofessional and discourteous behavior. I know I am far from alone in this matter. I wonder people like Bissinger recognize the irony of this "its fair game if it was published first on the internet" attitude. Lord knows it is pretty widespread.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on May 2, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Just a wild hunch

I wrote up a pretty good story about last night’s Kansas – Oklahoma game. It is pretty “quotable.” I wonder if I will see any echoes of it over the next few days. It is things like the Eskimo ceremony analogy that seem to find their way into other stories later. We’ll see.

I don’t get my panties in a wad over things like this, but I always expect an acknowledgement. KUathlectics.com and some of the national blogs give the awknowlegment or provide a link to RCT. It would be nice if everyone extended the courtesy.

Ah well, time to put it aside. There are things still to do today. No sense spending more time than already lost sipping from this cup of poison.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on May 3, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

exactly

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 3, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yet another recollection re: the irony of copying from blogs

by more established media sources. Now, Colin Cowherd is not (I hope) necessarily a “respected member of the media” (again, dear Lord, at least I hope not), but he does work for the holy of holies, ESPN. Remember the firestorm after he stole something from a blog, then got pissed when called on it, and then got so angry it somehow lead to his call for his listeners to take down the Big Lead? Which led to barely an apology? Am I wrong in linking the two incidents?

This stuff happens all the time, when I was following (here we go) pro wrestling insider stuff, I would read about guys guys posting storyline suggestions, including some that they had made in job interviews with WWE, they would see the suggestions used the next week, then be told they didn’t get the job and to stop bothering the staff, and that any claims would meet a legal response. And, of course, “real” wrestling insiders always publicly talk about how the despise internet geeks who… (wait for it) never leave their moms basements

Now, WWE is a bad example, but just as it turns out that “real” atheletes are at least as juiced up as wrestling performers, I suspect that the “real media” establishment has the same hypocritical attitude regarding “being influenced by” what they see online while publicly dismissing it.

by devil_fingers on May 2, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I believe that's what happened

Thankfully, I’ve been able to avoid Cowherd. Shockingly, even I’m working during his hours.

For the moment, I am going to keep believing that there was no plagiarism or anything like that. I’m mostrly just depressed because, well… why go into it. ..

by royalsreview on May 3, 2008 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Colin Cowherd is a real doucebag

Here is a link to the specific incident of his stealing material from The M Zone.

http://michiganzone.blogspot.com/2006/03/espns-colin-cowherd-borrows-m-zone.html

When he was properly called on his plagiarism, he crafted this response:

WE WERE SENT IT….WE HAD NO IDEA..BUT THE INCESSANT WHINING…MEANS I WON’T GIVE YOU CREDIT NOW..GET OVER IT
CC

I guess the all capital letters approach means he was angry. No one likes it when they are outed as a doucebag.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on May 3, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

cowherd is an arrogant elitist

you can pick that up within 2 minutes of listening to him

he’s really proud of how much money he has, and how he loves spending $100s of dollars on dinners, etc.

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 3, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine My Disgust

When Cowherd replaced Kornheiser. Tony was on from 0600 to 0900 in my time zone, and I used to listen to him while I got ready for work. My wife, who barely knew the difference between baseball and hockey, actually enjoyed his show. Then Patrick retired, and the locals moved Jim Rome into his slot, leaving me with 6 hours of Cowherd and Rome in a row. Not pretty.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 5, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Rome could use a real good beating

That guy just bugs the hell out of me. He is one of those guys who enters every conversation, addresses every topic, completely sure he knows more about it than anyone else on earth. I think it never enters his mind that his opinions may not be more valuable than someone else’s lifetime of research and experience.

www.rockchalktalk.com for pretty good KU baseball coverage

by James Quinn on May 5, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am a

I am a Twins fan, yet check into this site everyday. The articles are well written, and the commenters are cool headed and thoughtful. Keep up the great work

by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on May 2, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

gracias

AL Central pride

by royalsreview on May 3, 2008 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Kinks Reference

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 5, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it makes you feel any better...

...this site is always the first one I think of as a counterexample to the uninformed opinions of people like Buzz. You really do a great job.

You can't triple stamp a double stamp

by Pauli on May 3, 2008 1:20 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A partial defense of Buzz/Costas

I agree with Buzz and Costas about Deaspin’s comments. Most big-time blogs don’t allow them for the very reasons that Buzz and Costas decry blogs: they quickly go to the gutter. I quit reading Deadspin comments when someone commented on a Melissa Stark post that he heard that she liked taking it from behind by the (entire) lax team in college. I hate to be a grumpy old man, but come on.

I like Deadspin, but I don’t think Leitch can honestly claim “Hey, those are just comments, that’s not the blog.” Just get rid of the comments.

But I also think that Deadspin is somewhat of a strawman for Buzz/Costas. It’s an entertainment site with lots of funny photos and some good jokes on it. I doubt that the Deadspin guys think that they are providing insightful sports commentary.

I’d like to see Buzz debate the bloggers running blogs like this. I’d ask Buzz if honestly believes that Kansas City, a city of over 2,000,000, is better served by getting its Royals news/analysis from one or two guys who have virtually lifetime contracts with the Star. I’d ask him how long we’re supposed to wait for Bob Dutton or whoever to ask Trey why Meche threw 129 pitches the other night or why Pena gets to play every day or why Gordon hits 7th. I’d tell Buzz that one major reason fans turn to blogs is that they get sick of the “real” journalists writing generic articles with no meaningful analysis.

This blog rules, and not just because the author went to ND. Go Irish and Go RoyalsReview.com.

by hippdoghipp on May 3, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yea, you are right re: comments

But part of the reason is that sites don’t moderate them. Deadspin is a special case, and they aren’t immune to criticism, because they do have a frathouse vibe, that they cultivate.

by royalsreview on May 3, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points

but good luck getting Buzz to care about Meche throwing 129 pitches. Remember, he was the guy who has it on the beer-soaked authority of Tony LaRussa that young pitchers would be better off pitching more in the minors, just like in the good old days…

...which, it turned out, never existed, although I’m sure Buzz didn’t money left over for those expensive searches at Baseball Cube and stuff after picking up the bar tab during his interviews with Cap’n Mullet.

by devil_fingers on May 4, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sorry that this kind of stuff wrecks your day

1) “the unmistakable vitriol in many of these blasts bespeaks a clear sense of being threatened, which is both understandable and ironic.” I don’t follow “talk show” sports shows, and I don’t know who the guys are (or were?). Seriously, if this kind of stuff wounds you, you shouldn’t write on a public forum. I like your writing, isn’t that good enough?

2) Having 3 guys from ESPN use your idea a year late and not as great could be viewed as a compliment. I guess.

by The commentator formerly known as Yoda on May 3, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

re: #1

you do have a point there c-f-k-a-Yoda

by royalsreview on May 3, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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