Royals rotation is one big happy family
Earlier this season dedicated Royals fan and Olympic level sarcasmatist jonfmorse wondered aloud (if one can do anything "aloud" on a blog) what the ethos of the current Royals rotation is. He pointed out that in some rotations, the pitchers compete against each other and in others they work with each other for the betterment of all. The Braves rotation including Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz was mentioned as an example of a rotation that worked together and succeeded. At the time we had little information about what was going on behind the scenes in the 2008 Royals rotation. As always, Dick Kaegel makes all things clear in this article from the Royals official site.
"I've been on some teams where guys won't talk about game plans. They won't talk about anything because they just worry about themselves. It's tough. It's like being on an island. I don't see that here at all," Tomko said. This bunch puts their heads together regularly in the clubhouse, in the video room or even over dinner. There's a bonding in the works.
"I would say it's pretty good, because usually there's someone that I don't like, that I just don't want to be around," Greinke (4-1, 1.80 ERA) said. "But this time I like all of them, so it makes it easier. Because I'm the type that if I don't like someone, I avoid them and I don't even think about doing that with these guys. I like them all equal -- they're all cool guys, so it's nice."
"The reason we kind of mix together well is that everybody kind of has the same demeanor about them. Nobody is really outspoken," Meche said. "Everybody just kind of works the same. We all want to pitch well. We actually do talk a lot about pitching -- this is probably the most I ever have within a group."
To be sure, there are other topics mixed in -- golf swings or video games -- but it's mostly how to win baseball games. Hochevar (2-2, 4.94 ERA), who replaced injured John Bale in the rotation on April 20, is the eager-to-learn rookie in the group.
"Meche really helped me with my curveball in between my last two starts," Hochevar said. "I talked to him a lot because he's obviously got a good curveball, and I kind of picked his brain about what he does and what he thinks about on his curveball. It really helped me in my game and I was a lot more consistent about it."
I take every feel good story about the Royals from any source with a grain of salt. But this "they get along and they all work together to improve their pitching" story actually comes from the players themselves. It doesn't appear to be the product of Royals-official-site spin.
And this might just be my man-love of Brian Bannister talking, but I get the strong feeling that he doesn't have a particularly big head and that he's just happy to pitch well and help the team. He doesn't need to be the leader or the staff ace:
"Zack's kind of jumped out and is pacing us right now like Gil did last year," Bannister said. "It's always good to have that lead horse out there setting the pace. And I think we're kind of all falling in behind."
And then there's the nickname issue:
"I think the mark of a good player or a good staff or a good team is they create a nickname for themselves, so it's something to strive for," Bannister said. "My dad was a member of the 'Winning Ugly' White Sox. It's fun when you come together as a unit and people can identify you with one name. So it's something to strive for, but it only comes through a lot of hard work and, obviously, good performance on the field," Bannister said.
I think it is a very good sign that these guys are getting along and working together. Bannister and Meche have a particularly thoughtful approach to pitching and I'm sure they share a lot with the other pitchers, as well as learning something themselves. And, of course, the biggest asset in the rotation is Greinke. As we all know, he has a social anxiety disorder. I've got to think it's good for him to have other pitchers who he feels comfortable hanging around with and talking about pitching with. I also think it is going to help the Royals prospects of keeping Greinke long-term. Do you think he'd rather go into a strange clubhouse with new players in New York, Boston, Chicago or L.A. or re-sign with the Royals and pitch with the same group of guys that he's comfortable with?
Anyway, I haven't had any success coming up with a good nickname for the Royals rotation. I think they deserve one.
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I'm too busy
trying to figure out who Zack didn’t like in the past to think of a nickname. Was he jealous of Redman’s All-Starness? Did Elarton constantly try to give him helpful advice on his effort level? These are the questions we need to be asking for the future generations.
Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)
by devil_fingers on
May 13, 2008 9:34 AM EDT
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Two words
Lima Time
Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.
by CentralChamps2009 on
May 14, 2008 4:53 AM EDT
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Seriously?
Any good stories? Did Jose “share” his implantastic wife with Zack and pass the cooties or something? I would assume Elarton would have to be in there….
Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)
by devil_fingers on
May 14, 2008 12:24 PM EDT
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Still working on one for the whole rotation
but I like “Grienke and the Brain” for our one-two punch!
Relax, all right? Don't try to strike everybody out. Strikeouts are boring! Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by SittinByTheFoulPole on
May 13, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
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clever clever
Boyfriend of the Year 2008: It's gonna be big!
by loyal2theroyals on
May 13, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
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"One is a genius, the others insane..."
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on
May 14, 2008 2:20 PM EDT
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For what its worth
This club does seem to have pretty good chemistry. I was watching “Royals Insider” and Mark Teahen seems to be a huge goofball on the team. Esteban German seems to be a really likeable guy. Guillen is a bit wacky. Buck has a real subtle goofy sense of humor. DJ is like a kid. Peralta is a goofball and keeps the pen loose.
Just wish that camraderie would translate to runs!
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by RoyalsRetro on
May 13, 2008 11:41 AM EDT
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Only prob with the rotation
is the 2 strike, out pitch. I’ve never seen a staff that works ahead in the count so much and gives up the 2 strike hit or walk so often. The pitch counts are inflated because they (Meche, Bannister, Tomko) just don’t have that pitch to end the AB. That combined with the lack of range on the right side (when Butler and Grudz are playing) and in the OF (when Gathright isn’t playing) is the only thing bugging me as a fan.
by kcscoliny on
May 13, 2008 12:22 PM EDT
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A feel-good post...
...from our resident critic, NYRoyal! But seriously, this is a good piece.
I’ve never been good at coming up with nicknames. I won’t start now.
I’m with you, NYRoyal, on the Greinke-comfort-signing assocation. Let’s hope he sees and feels that too.
I never thought of Meche as cerebral. That’s no slight, it’s just not an association I had made. His interviews have seemed thoughtful. Hmm…
I’ve never, before the past few days, thought much about subchemistry on team, such as with a pitching staff. It makes me wonder how that dynamic worked in the 1970s and 1980s, when the team was successful. That sounds like a great RoyalsReview post.
I’m sure a lot of this starts with McClure. I hope people remember to credit him oiling the wheels. – TL
by timlacy on
May 13, 2008 12:50 PM EDT
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Meche
Is the Grudzielanek of the pitching staff. Who needs intellect when you have grit?
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by RoyalsRetro on
May 13, 2008 1:06 PM EDT
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and he's southern, which helps his grit
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on
May 13, 2008 1:09 PM EDT
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Is there a master stat
we can use to compare southern grittiness and Mexican toughness?
Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)
by devil_fingers on
May 13, 2008 1:14 PM EDT
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the lady killers
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
by LeoBloom on
May 13, 2008 1:05 PM EDT
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Well Everyone knows the backend of the bullpen is "The Hispanic Panic"
But for the rotation i have no clue! “The Caucasian Equation”
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
by focs on
May 13, 2008 1:25 PM EDT
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I was wondering the other day
Do you think there is a slight bias in baseball management to turn white pitchers into starters and Hispanic pitchers into relievers? Not intentional of course, but that management tends to see white guys as having the mental makeup to start, while Hispanic guys have great “stuff” but not great poise? Just seems like you see more white guys start, while more Hispanic guys are in the pen.
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by RoyalsRetro on
May 13, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
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The Righty Whiteys
I have many leather bound books...
by juano on
May 13, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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or Whitey Righties
I have many leather bound books...
by juano on
May 13, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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And just to clarify
I’m not saying I subscribe to the theory that white guys have poise and Hispanic guys do not. Just wondering if that’s the mindset among MLB GMs.
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by RoyalsRetro on
May 13, 2008 1:58 PM EDT
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I think you might be right historically
I wouldn’t be surprised if it were somewhat similar to African American quarterbacks. For a long time, either consciously or subconsciously, coaches and GM’s didn’t think that African Americans has the (whatever) to be a good QB. This was particularly true in professional football and for quite a long time too. Thankfully that myth/bias/misperception has, for the most part, fallen by the wayside. I have a feeling that much the same is true in baseball for SP’s. I wouldn’t be surprised if that has happened, but I doubt it is happening near as much now as it once did.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on
May 13, 2008 2:41 PM EDT
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This Goes Back
At least as far as Whitey Ford and Luis Arroyo with the Yankees in the late 50’s and early 60’s.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
May 13, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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The Castaways
Meche – Thrown out by Mariners
Bannister – Thrown away by Mets
Greinke – Damn near discarded himself
Hocehvar – Big dissapointment for fans, last year
Tomko – Who hasn’t cast this fish back into the lake?
I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on
May 13, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
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Hooch was kind of a castaway
In that the Dodgers failed to sign him.
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by RoyalsRetro on
May 13, 2008 3:17 PM EDT
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Other Suggestions:
The Mighty Whitey Righties
The Royals’ Right Way
The Right-Hand Rulers
The Brainballers
Heartland Heroes
by Eppenweb on
May 13, 2008 3:19 PM EDT
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I like "The Right-Hand Rulers" the best out of my suggestions.
by Eppenweb on
May 13, 2008 3:20 PM EDT
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When they get in a tough situation
The Tighty Whiteys.
Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com
by RoyalsRetro on
May 13, 2008 3:39 PM EDT
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I love it when my keyboard
Sarcasmâ„¢. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 13, 2008 3:55 PM EDT
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How about the "Obi-wans", as they are our only hope.
No run support + anything but exceptional pitching = A loss.
Let's Go Blues!
by powderbluesfor08 on
May 14, 2008 2:28 PM EDT
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I have to say....
so far my favorite is “The Caucasian Equation”
It makes me laugh and it goes well with “The Hispanic Panic”.
In fact, I think those are the two best nicknames I’ve seen in a long time.
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May 14, 2008 3:05 PM EDT
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