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And all that could have been… (or, how I learned to start crying over Wladimir Balentien)

Last season, as the trade deadline loomed ever closer, a sure-fire trade candidate was Octavio Dotel. Dotel was signed by the Royals on December 8, 2006, by Dayton Moore. While Dayton almost certainly had the ‘flip-a-player’ idea rolling in the back of his head, Dotel was officially handed the closer role.

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Watch that lip, Octavio!

via mlb.mlb.com

"The back end of our bullpen has been a major focus," general manager Dayton Moore said . "It was a problem in '06. We feel we've made big strides in bringing it an identity."

Dotel had a rough start with the Royals, straining his oblique in spring training. Also newly acquired reliever David Riske was handed the closer job while Dotel was away, but performed very poorly in the role. Desperate to cover his ass, Buddy Bell turned to Rule 5 Draft Pick Joakim Soria. Soria stepped in, and started slamming the doors.

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Mexi-tough

via i.a.cnn.net 

...Soria was so dominant in the eighth inning that Buddy Bell sent him out to pitch the ninth with a 6-3 lead; Soria retired the side in order again, striking out the last two hitters. Soria was the de facto closer from that point until Octavio Dotel’s return from the DL, and then returned to the role after Dotel was traded. (Rany)
 

Dotel returned on May 23, 2007, versus the Cleveland Indians. He looked very hittable in that game, giving up 3 hits, including a HR to Travis Hafner, his 9th of the year. He improved greatly over his next

few outings, however, and eventually converted 11/14 opportunities, going 2-1 with a 3.91 ERA and 120 ERA+, and a WHIP of 1.522.  Speculation on his impending trade really started in the June timeframe, with the Mariners, Braves, Red Sox, Dodgers, Indians, and Mets  leading the parade to try and pick him up.

Of considerable interest to the community of royalsreview.com was the young Mariners (Tacoma Rainers AAA) outfielder, Wladimir Balentien . Eventually, the Balentien offer was ignored, and Moore elected to trade Dotel to the Braves for a familiar product (to Moore), Kyle Davies

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Davies likes to eat children when not on the mound.

via mlb.mlb.com

Kyle has had his share of problems in the minors and bigs, most frequently with Homeruns and walks. Now, giving up homeruns and walks with the consistency that Davies does is a very bad thing. No one doubts that he has ‘electric’ stuff, and that he could mature into a starting pitcher that fits well in the #2-#4 positions.

Davies did not impress in his starts with the Royals, or with the Braves, consistently. Currently he resides in the minor leagues, at Omaha, with a lifetime major league line including a 17-28 record over 287 innings, 1.725 WHIP, ERA+ of 70, and an ERA of 6.24.

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This is what it looks like when Davies serves up your 500th homer of your career.

via blog.nj.com

There may be hope for Davies, yet. At Omaha in 2008, he currently holds a 4-2 record in 7 starts, going 37 innings. He is still walking too many batters, at a little under .5 /IP, and his K:BB rate is 3:2. His ERA is only 2.43 at the moment, but he has allowed 19 runs, only 10 of which are earned.  With the jury still out on Davies, let’s all just hope for the best, shall we?

On to Wladimir Balentien. Balentien (24) was born July 2, 1984, in Willemstad, Curacao, in the Netherlands Antilles .  On July 9, 2000, at 16 years and 1 week old, Balentien signed with the Mariners to play professional baseball. Balentien reported to the Mariners AZL Rookie team in 2003 for his first taste of professional baseball. He came hungry.

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'C' is for cookie and that's good enough for me

via seattletimes.nwsource.com

In 2003, in 187 AB’s, Balentien had an OBP of .359, with an OPS of 1.017. In his 6 full seasons in the minors, he has never OPS’d below .772 (San Antonio AA), and only below .832 once. Lifetime OBP/SLG in the minors you ask? .342/.522. In addition he is stealing bases at a 75% clip over that time span, and is capable of playing all 3 OF positions.

Great! So he has had a successful MiLB career! Good job Wladimir! So what? Who cares? Well, even though it is a small sample size (in the MLB), it appears so far that the Mariners were right to trade Adam Jones for Bedard, and keep Balentien from the Royals AND the Orioles.

A quick line on Jones and Balentien, this year:

Name

BA

H

2B

3B

HR

OBP

SLG

OPS

OPS+

Jones, A

.223

29

8

2

2

.271

.362

.633

73

Balentien, W

.239

11

2

0

4

.271

.543

.814

123

Neither’s OBP is even close to stellar, but look at the OPS. Balentien is right on target with his MiLB numbers so far. I have really enjoyed watching him in AAA over the past 2 years and then on TV so far this year. Last night he hit a monster homer off of Joaquin Benoit in Arlington, putting the Mariners back in the contest (They lost 13-12 in 10 innings).

The question is, in retrospect, do you feel we still maximized off of Dotel? Would you rather have Balentien than Davies? If Davies turns the corner, and becomes a dependable starting pitcher, and Balentien becomes a legitimate power threat (25-35 HR’s), which one would you rather have at this point?

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I'm not very convinced Balentien was available for Dotel straight up

DM probably asked, but I can’t see how he would choose Davies over Balentien if both were available. Most likely, Wlad the Impaler was not offered. I think DM did about as well as he could have.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 13, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Seattle Post-Intelligencer

reported it as an offer

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry --- let me adjust my tone

Yes, it is true that neither Moore nor Bavasi have been quoted with that offer on the table, but John Hickey and Geoff Baker are pretty plugged into the mariners up here. I’m not sure they would verbalize an offer like that in a public medium if it were not true, especially after the trade is completed elsewhere. What would be the point?

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always hard to separate rumor from reality

Maybe you’re right, in that case they should have turned to Balentien.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 13, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Corner outfielder...

was without a doubt more of a priority than another power pitcher with control problems.

by djk royal on May 13, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is epic

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 13, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You like it?

:D

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I enjoyed...

the picture captions. Good stuff.

by djk royal on May 13, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

The vast majority of the evidence says that Balentien was nevered offered, at least not straight up

That Seattle paper blog was the only mention ever that Balentien was offered for Dotel. There is no other evidence. That journalist never mentioned a source. It sounds like a rumor. I remember two different BP writers being asked in online chats about this and they both doubted that Balentien was offered for Dotel. Moore was asked directly if Balentien was offered for Dotel and he said flatly, “No.”

So maybe it was a rumor that was not based in fact. Or maybe Balentien was offered as part of a larger deal, like Balentien for Dotel and Greinke. But we need to stop spreading the fiction that Moore turned down a straight Balentie-for-Dotel offer.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the return...

for Dotel was okay. A struggling starter with upside versus a one year rental. It was just disapointing compared to the haul that the Rangers got for a washed up Gagne.

by djk royal on May 13, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Small correction

Two month rental.

And Gagne was a much, much more valuable commodity than Dotel. No one knew Gagne was going to suddenly start pitching like crap.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're joking, right?

You want Kason Gabbard and David Murphy on your team? I sure don’t. Gabbard has a K:BB below one, and Murphy is hitting .260/.320/.440…that’s pretty much a reasonable approximation of the skills of both.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 14, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

They also got...

Engel Beltre. Murphys not a great left fielder but that 760 OPS you cited is way ahead of either Teahen or Guillen (that rhymed) and he plays solid defense for league minimum. Gabbard has an ERA of 2.12 in 29.2 ip this year and is also making the league minimum.

I’d say that’s a fair package for Gagne.

by djk royal on May 14, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Apples, meet oranges

Gagne had been an elite closer when healthy. Dotel had been an inconsistent but pretty good closer (for a while) when healthy. One shouldn’t expect to get for Dotel anything near what the Rangers got for Gagne.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 14, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair? Sure.

But Beltre hasn’t hit in his professional career thus far, Murphy is descending into fourth outfielderdom where he’ll stay his whole career, and Gabbard has a K:BB below one. His low ERA is NOT sustainable.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 16, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rumors do not equal truth

Often two teams are talking to each other about players and those discussions turn into reports of “offers” or a “deal in the works” or even “the two teams are close on a deal that would send.” So far there have been published reports of trades involving Hu for German and Meloan+ for German. Just because the two teams have probably discussed those names doesn’t mean those are realistic deals which could have been done. I think it is likely that the Royals and Mariners discussed Dotel and Balentien to some extent. It probably involved Bavasi expressing interest in Dotel and then Moore suggesting Balentien and then Bavasi saying that he’d only part with Balentien if it was Dotel plus a good young player. That kind of discussion (which doesn’t come particularly close to the Mariners offering Balentien-for-Dotel straight up) often leads to a throw away line like “the Mariners offered Balentien for Dotel.”

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions  

True enough

I see the clarity of your thinking. But if we are going to disregard everything that we do not know as a fact, then we should just go ahead and retire the blog, right?

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, we should weigh all available information appropriately

How many sources reported that the Mariners offered Balentien for Dotel? One. How many times? Once. Did they give any details or other information to support it or even a source? No. Did they say the offer was a straight up one-for-one deal? No. Did others express skepticism that such a one-for-one offer was made? Yes. Did Moore categorically deny that Balentien was offered for Dotel? Yes.

It appears that there is little support for the contention that Balentien was offered straight up for Dotel.

Every year there are hundreds, nay thousands, of rumors and reports about possible trades. What percentage do you think are actually true?

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I missed Moore's comment

denying it.

I’m still sensitive to this, given my proximity to Balentien’s current team. If it was on the table, it still chaps my ass, that’s all I know.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Balentien is kind of a one trick pony

He has plus-plus raw power, but he has a questionable approach at the plate, he often struggles to make contact, and his walk rate is unlikely to make up the difference. He has a good arm, but his defense is average at best as a corner outfielder. ZIPS projected him at 247/319/430, with PECOTA at 235/305/407. His offensive skillset is pretty close to his No. 3 PECOTA comp Justin Huber (but with the ability to play a corner outfield). If he can improve his contact rate, he might carve out a nice Jesse Barfield-type career. Still, especially when you consider position and defense, Adam Jones is a much more valuable player than Balentien.

As for Davies, he really should move to the bullpen sooner than later, although until Bale comes back, he is the 6th starter.

by Gopherballs on May 13, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions  

at least he has a trick

yea… I’m all for Bullpenizing Davies…

remember all the glowing stuff we heard about him after that trade?

by Freneau on May 13, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was pretty psyched...

about his Omaha ERA this year. Then I saw his walk total and the 9 unearned runs and got taken down a peg.

by djk royal on May 13, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

We all knew he was a project from the beginning

Lots of talent, hasn’t been able to harness it. Did anyone think he was a lock to be a solid major leaguer? Do you ever get that kind of player for a two-month rental of a usually injured pretty good reliever?

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, I think that was the expectation

Lots of people were talking about whether he would be Type A or Type B if we held on to him all year as well, right?

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What was the expectation?

That Dotel would be a premier free agent? He’s a good reliever with significant, frequently recurring injury problems. And all we had to sell was two months of him.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

My Expectation?

Well, my ‘sensors’ told me that I, and I thought a lot of others figured that if Octavio could play well (kind of did) and stay healthy (at least he played long enough to trade him) that we would end up getting a good deal somehow (either a draft pick or a trade).

Bavasi has a track record, too. For god sakes, they are still employing Arthur Rhodes. How about the Bedard trade, where they got a guy with a known bum hip, and he has already spent time injured, now. The feeling around town here, is that he’s about to get fleeced again in an ‘only-town-hero’ type move to get Jr. back from the Reds.

Bavasi is always primed to get taken to the cleaners.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

The days are gone where you'll get a good haul for a rental trade of a player who is only pretty good

It used to be that you could get a good prospect or two for a two-month rental of a pretty good veteran. But, right now, the most highly valued commodity in the game is young, cheap talent (both major leaguers and top prospect). So, for a player like Dotel last year or Grudz this year, you’re lucky if you can get a ok prospect or project. Getting guys like Balentien or Hu for two-month rentals of non-elite players just isn’t going to happen.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mmmmmm...

The market is changing.

Thanks for the discussion on this. I have enjoyed it.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice post

But I have to agree with some, it was never confirmed and I have to believe that Moore would’ve taken that trade if it was there. Good read though.

by I need more Esteban on May 13, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks....

I wanted to write something with some quality behind it and a good look. I got the look right, and I thought I wrote it well. I just picked the wrong subject matter I guess.

Ugh.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think...

any topic that in any way suggests Dayton Moore is not a genius is generally met with pretty harsh resistance. I’m a huge royals fan and always have been but never cease to be amazed by the low expectations of the fan base. The Royals went 69-93 last year and are 16-21 this year with an abysmal offense and a pitching staff ranked 9th out of 14 in ERA. Their run differential suggests they are lucky to even be 16-21. Yet on the latest confidence index Dayton Moore scored a 7.8, the pitching scored an 8.0 and the team received a 6.43. Maybe I don’t understand a 1-10 scoring system but if a 5 is average I don’t know how you can really justify those scores. Oh well. Better to be an optimist than a pessimist I guess.

by djk royal on May 13, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea

It wouldn’t surprise me if Dayton chose Davies over Wlad. No way of knowing, but it wouldn’t stun me.

by Freneau on May 13, 2008 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

There might be a little too much of trusting GMDM. But for me, I think it is one of the toughest things to turn around a small market team like ours. I believe that we are headed in the right direction (slowly) so that is why I have optimism.

I’m in the camp of giving GMDM and his front office four drafts before I can truly start saying, “oh this team is going nowhere”, and the like. It’s similar to my feelings about college football or basketball coaches. I can’t really judge them until they have had their players in the program for four years. For a team in a market like ours, we have to build a team in the draft, there is no other way. Dayton has only had one (some might say 1 1/2), so that is why I continue to have good feelings about him.

by I need more Esteban on May 13, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

basically, at the moment

he should get credit for Meche, Banny, Soria and Ramirez

everything else is either minor or from the previous regime

by Freneau on May 13, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

true

Those are all non-draft picks too. If we start to see some of the guys that they have scouted and drafted be up on this team, then we’ll really know what we have.

Wouldn’t it be great if we could have GMDM’s ability to get pitching and Allard Baird’s for hitters?

by I need more Esteban on May 13, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is completely rebuilding the pitching throughout the minor league system minor?

If one values prospects and organizational depth, then I wouldn’t consider this minor.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, it is better to be a realist

Since you mentioned run differential, I’m sure you know that the Royals Pythag record was 74 last year. That’s a big improvement over the prior year. And you may be willing to evaluate Moore’s performance based on 37 games this year, but I think that’s a bit premature. He has improved the team dramatically, particularly the rotation and the bullpen and completely rebuilt the minor league system’s pitching. How much improvement could one possibly expect in two years? Those scores reflect how good of a job Moore has done, how much he’s improved the team and how much the team is now on the right track.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 13, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks much...

I like positive feedback. :)

So does this kitten. As a matter of fact, we share the same look of enjoyment now.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was going to post a compliment

but that just creeps me out.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by Matt Klaassen on May 13, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

Sweet. My mission here is complete. I should move over to the Brewer’s blog now.

j/k

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 13, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

The book is still out on Davies.

I agree with the others though was Balentien ever really on the table. Or, was it just a lot of hype. Did they really want another player plus Dotel…like say Rosa, Hochy, or Soria? We will never know for sure. Needless to say I would take Wladimir in replace of Guillen. But, that is just a personal, non statistical judgement. Hey, we won tonight… we should all be happy.

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Has given you the call. "

by grudz96 on May 13, 2008 11:53 PM EDT reply actions  

At the time of the trade

Moore did say that there was never an offer for anyone who projected to bat higher than 7th in a major league lineup. Even if you think Moore is not a genius and savior, at the very least, he’s not stupid. From his interviews, you find out he knows (at least) what everybody else knows (e.g. TPJ is a giant sucking sound in the lineup, Brett Tomko has a serious case of the Jekyll-and-Hydes). Thus, he and the Royals front office are not so dense as to believe Balentine did not project as a 2-6 hitter. Therefore, Balentine was never offered.

I fully understand the concept that “fan” is short for “fanatic.” But let’s at least concede the possibility that Dayton Moore knows a little more about this game than the average fan, shall we?

Sometimes you just gotta roll the potato.

by CentralChamps2009 on May 14, 2008 4:48 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

Some of the defenses have a similar ring to, oh, I don’t know, saying “Since you didn’t have 6 ABs at a D-I school, you can’t talk about hitting.”

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by Matt Klaassen on May 14, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

What GMDM knows

that the rest of us don’t is the details of what was really offered. Most posters have taken the approach that the “cognitive disonance” between what we would have done and what was done is because of those details and not that Moore is an idiot. Based on the majority of things that Moore has done and said since coming here, I’d have to say that most signs point toward him not being an idiot.

In fact, Moore has yet to complete a trade where we got the true raw end of the deal. We have given up questionable players and had mixed results with what we got back. We have yet to get truly burned by a Burgos for Bannister type trade. At worst, we’ve had nothing for nothing deals like Gload for Sisco and Shealy for Affeldt (and +?). He may be due to give up a lot of value and get burned, as almost all GMs will have those now and again.

I’m firmly in the camp that feels that if there was a Dotel for Balentein straight up deal on the table, Moore would have taken it, as would most of us internet geeks. For that reason, I’m inclined to believe it wasn’t on the table, especially since nothing particularly solid has shown that it was.

by Big Guy on May 14, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

affledt and bautista for shealy

should in no way be considered a wash. affeldt has been a good reliever for Colorado and now Cincy and Shealy has been just awful.

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 14, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not been screwed

this is a good point about DMGM. He hasn’t gotten totally screwed. I personally think the Gathright/Howell trade was a mistake, but not a horrible one.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by Matt Klaassen on May 14, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

"What GMDM knows that the rest of us don’t is the details of what was really offered"

good point…. we really don’t know what was offered. i would agree that it is unfair to condemn moore on a trade that didn’t go through, if indeed it never was a possibility. i hope that i didn’t suggest that.

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by marbotty on May 14, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I want to make it clear, as well

That I am not condemning this trade, either. I think Davies has a good shot at being useful. I just like Balentien, a lot.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think and others are pointing out that the analysis really shouldn't be Davies vs. Balentien

...because the preponderance of the evidence says that Balentien was not an option.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 14, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly.

I couldn’t agree more, now. I was operating emotionally and under false pretenses.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe it is true that Moore is smarter than 300 million americans when it comes to baseball. Even if that is true, though, the real question is whether he’s smarter than 29 other GMs.

Isn’t that the truth?

I enjoyed your post, marbotty. You are absolutely correct that quite a few of the regular contributors and visitors to this site are excellent critical thinkers, and I like the fact that most of our conversations end up as a discussion over metrics and facts, and most times we are able to provide a bit of rational thinking as a group, rather than being caught up in emotions.

Still, what fun is baseball without them (emotions)?

I had a thought yesterday that I would personally be crushed if Greinke was traded for 2-3 A type power hitting prospects still in the minors. It would probably help the team, overall, but the emotional loss to me would probably cause me to cancel MLB.tv, stop coming here daily, and I’d be pissed for a while.

I like the balance between the 2 on this site. I can feel free to have emotional support of Gathright, if I want, but can have a rational conversation with others about why he really isn’t a major leaguer.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

My dog is smarter than Bill Bavasi

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by RoyalsRetro on May 14, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Krivsky

most likely… but he’s lookin for a job, isn’t he?

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Krivsky has certainly made his share of mistakes

but he has made good decisions too.

The much criticised Lopez, Kearns deal for bunch of relievers no longer looks that bad. Still a mistake. Persisting with Griffey was a mistake, he should have traded him last season when Griffey was hitting reasonably well.

Acquiring Brandon Phillips was a great move. Acquiring Josh Hamilton was a great move. Signing Aaron Harang to a long term contract was a great move. Acquring Jeff Keppinger was a good move.

Trading Josh Hamilton for Edinson Volquez is eminently defensible, given Hamilton’s addiction issues.

Signing Corey Patterson for defense was defensible. Allowing Dusty Baker to bat Patterson leadoff, was a horrible move.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 14, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Trading Josh Hamilton

Not only does it look defensible, it looks awesome. Volquez has been fantastic, and they still have the #1 prospect waiting to take over a spot in the outfield in Jay Bruce.

I dunno about the C Patterson signing, though. But Krivsky seems to have improved considerably in my book.

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by marbotty on May 14, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm reasonably certain

That Moore didn’t bring in Pena or Gload for their offense, and Gathright was brought in as a known project.

And, you know, since Guillen’s woken up and posted a >1.4 OPS the last week, let’s not throw him under the bus just yet, eh?

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly agree that Moore has yet to prove himself with regard to position players

He and his people have done a great job with the pitching of the major league team and the entire minor league system. So far, little headway has been made with regard to good hitting position players.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 14, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm hopeful that it will turn around

I was never a big fan of Guillen - he was probably my fifth pick (after Fukudome, Bradley, Andruw Jones, and TorII). But at least Moore recognized the problem (in our outfield), and tried to do something about it. The big issue for me is the contract - 1 or 2 years at $8 million per would have been a good deal, I think.

Anyway, let’s see how Moore does this draft and offseason. By that time, we should have a much better idea if he has capably addressed our offensive concerns.

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by marbotty on May 14, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

and how well they can develop them...

gordon and butler need to start hitting, moustakas needs to keep it up, some other unknown guys need to emerge, etc

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 14, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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