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Game 39 Open Thread - Tigers (16-23) at Royals (17-21)

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Detroit Tigers at Kansas City Royals, May 14, 2008 8:10 PM EDT


Your pitching matchup:

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Luke Hochevar 2-2 4.94 1.47 19 11

W-L ERA WHIP K BB
2008 - Justin Verlander 1-6 6.43 1.47 30 21


Remember when Jim Leyland's Old School wisdom and take-no-gruff attitude was so inspirational and perfect?

Oh, and Verlander's ugly ERA? Guess what starting pitcher has had the most tack-on runs charged to him thanks to poor bullpen support? Yea, that'd be Justin Verlander.

 

 

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I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Gah!!!!

I wish I had been first. /kicks-a-rock

I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling!

This is going to be an EPIC game! Everyone should recommend this thread to get it on the front page of SportsNation!

Support my nomination for the front page!

I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another shameless plug:

While waiting for the game, check out the “Greinke and the Brain Theme Song” fanpost and let me know what you think. I might make it into a Youtube video if people like it enough.

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pena

is he in the lineup?

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is one of the days Pena should be in the lineup

Hochevar so far has been an extreme groundball pitcher—52% GB%.

by Gopherballs on May 14, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, please do make a video!

That would rock.

I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Today's Lineup

Granderson, CF .229
Polanco, 2B .274
Guillen, 3B .294
Ordonez, RF .306
Cabrera, 1B .262
Joyce, LF .333
Thames, DH .260
Renteria, SS .266
Rodriguez, C .278

DDJ, LF .311
Grud, 2B .328
Gordo, 3B .274
Guillen, DH .216
Billy, 1B .279
T-Bag .270
Bucky, C .268
TPJ, SS (ugh) .165
Gator, CF .250

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice

No Gload. Now, if only Callaspo was starting at short.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good thing we got

Gator and his sub-.600 OPS in. The next Spreadsheet baseball article is not going to be for the faint of heart.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 14, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

huber is starting tonight for the padres

I predict 4-4 with 3 grand slams and an inside the park homer

by royalsreview on May 14, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

*Inside the park grand slam

He’ll top it off by making a catch and climbing the outfield wall to steal a kiss from the nearly nude Victoria’s Secret model sitting in the cheap seats.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded,

and speaking of “terrible unlikely home runs,” damn Jay Payton to hell.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 14, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice work by Hoch there.

He’s fitting right in with this rotation.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He'll rebound

he’s way too good of a pitcher not to end the the year with an ERA around 4.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 14, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

over/under?

Gordon seeing 11 pitches tonight.

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll take over

I’m still quite optimistic-reasonably, I think-about A-Gord this year. Plus, Verlander can have bouts of wildness where I’m pretty sure I could work a walk off him.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 14, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NICE!

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unforunately Verlander seems to be throwing moderately hard today...

I think I’ve watched every game he’s started this season, and in a lot of them he’s been working 91-93mph. Today it’s 93-95. It also seems like he’s thrown a ridiculous number of offspeed pitches this year, and he’s been getting burned on a lot of them. Really seems to fall in love with his curveball.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In case it has not been noted elsewhere

Fangraphs.com has two articles on its front page related to two subjects of interest: (1) Dayton Moore’s white whale, Wladimir Balentien (comparing him to Wily Mo Pena) and (2) Justin Verlander’s struggles this year (scroll down). Verlander has been unlucky, but his fastball is down 1.5 MPH and his K/9 and BB/9 rates are going the wrong direction.

by Gopherballs on May 14, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

18 pitch 1st inning

wish we could do that more often.

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where is Hoch's count?

I’d guess good to fair?

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

21 pitches in 2 innings.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to say, I've been really impressed with Luke's slider.

Reading the scouting reports on him coming up, I was under the impression that his best pitches are fastball curveball. To date though, in the majors the curveball really hasn’t been there but the slider has been money – it’s a legitimate swing and miss pitch for him. Hopefully it can remain that way – a lot of guys pitch a long time in the big leagues without developing a swing and miss breaking ball.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Butts!

Swing that stick!

I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Time for a patented Royals mini rally...

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Butler

1st to 3rd. Looked like he was pulling a plow, but nevertheless…

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GODDAMNIT

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sigh.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Walking TPJ... just wow

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now TPJ can hit into a 3-0 DP

oh, wait, he WALKED?

“Help, I’m slippin’ into the twilight zo-one…”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hey, me and my co-workers could not come up

with who sang that song. Help me out, who was it?

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Golden Earring.

“So you will come to knowww… when the bullet hits the bone, whaa-aa-oh, when the bullet hits the bone…”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Golden Earring

I had to try to decipher the lyrics one time; they’re Dutch, so the phraseology and terminology is nearly impossible to figure out at times.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to

Denny Mathews Butler made the correct play. Force the 3rd baseman to make the decision.

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We have to get a run here...

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God joey just put the ball in play

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know what you'd be saying

if he’d “just put the ball in play” on the ground to second base. ;)

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JOEY G!!

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JOEY G!!

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There we go.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow.... that is definitely how Joey would get a RBI hit

But props to him for putting the ball in play. Execute, good things happen.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is how he had his high OBP/BA success last year

That is why I was a big supporter of him.

I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 14, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I approve of that attempt, actually.

So I’m okay.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh my god what the fuck was that

UGHHHH

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How, how how do we give a free out to a struggling pitcher

My brain is exploding

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It was a good spot for the attempt

And it would have put them both in scoring position for DDJ. It was an attempt to allow our hottest hitter to drive a stake through the Tigers in the second inning.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was a terrible spot

Pena isn’t good at stealing bases, lefty at the plate, Verlander is quick to deliver and Pudge behind the dish. Grudz has killed the Tigers all year, a double steal is not playing for the big inning. Not to mention Verlander was fighting the strike zone. Total waste of an out.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double steal with a

lefthander up at the plate

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have a feeling i'm going to be going Denny Green after this game...

WE KNEW EXACTLY WHO THEY WERE…AND WE LET ‘EM OFF THE HOOK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have many leather bound books...

by juano on May 14, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man, if Billy can be the regular 1B and Gload the Defensive replacement . . .

That would open a huge hole for another impact bat once Guillen got healthy, and into next year. Dunn, anyone?

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dunn is hitting .203 right now and

he’s a strikeout monster. How much are you willing to pay?

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dunn has been the free agent big bat of choice around here . . .

but I realize he might not be worth it. Who would you prefer?

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad he's having a down year

Hopefully that will decrease the interest in him and his price. I wouldn’t overreact to one bad year….ever.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

DOH!

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Will Guillen be ready

for Interleague play? Or is he limited to DHing?

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope

but watching him labor around the bases yesterday makes me wonder.

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He sure didn't look ready to play in the field

Man, our pitching better show up for those interleague games or we are t-o-a-s-t.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't mind playing a LFer with limited range

He can get around. It would limit his range, but I can live with that.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he did

to the extent that he kept the lead runner from going to third.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clutch pitching by young Skywalker

Get ahead in the count, then get the out

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good job Luke.

Maybe he’ll actually earn that “Cool Hand” nickname Rany wants to give him.

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lets look

at some pitches Verl at 41 entering inning.

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

10 points for Alex

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It Was A

Productive K.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gordon Will Steal

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

18 pitches?

Plus a throw to first.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

D'oh, Billy got himself out on that pitch

But it’s ok, because Verlander is labouring and Hoch is cruising.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NBA Playoffs Update

CLE46, BOS 43 – Halftime

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Guillen's nickname should be "Mr. Hacktastic" . . .

leader of the Hacktastic Four: Guillen, Olivo (The Bulk), TPJ (The Invisible Bat), Gload (The Human EXGLOSION!)

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, no

Olivo is “The Swing”.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Pena might be “The Ineffectual Twirl”...

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can be the new AO

only instead of Amos Otis, it’s automatic out

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember Jason Grimsley getting tossed from a game

at the K once and just going nuts! He threw stuff out on the field. Used a bat against a water cooler. The works. Then, it seemed crazy. Now, I know it was just “roid rage”.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 9:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I met Jason Grimsley opening day 05 I think?

It was after his last season for the Royals, I think he was signed to the Dbacks or whatever and was injured but he was at opening day in the stands. I went up and talked to him, he was pretty cool. Before that I had always thought he was a huge douchebag.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Filth

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pretty solid 4 innings.

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't look now, but the Indians are about to run away with the division.

Yikes. Their starting pitching over the past 10 days has been insane. Sabathia just churned out a CG SHO tonight. They are rolling.

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hooch's Pitch Count

59 through 4.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That was just dumb bad luck.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what the

hell is Teahan doin

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Leadoff Walks Are

Wildly overrated.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Verlander over 70 pitches yet?

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

75 I think

He should be good for 7 at this pace

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind, I thought we were through 5. LOL

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't know

if gettin to the pen is a good thing with this Royals team.

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we can mount a threat this inning

he won’t make it to 6

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anyone see this

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3396451

could bode well for resigning Greinke

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 9:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would like to hear GMDM's thoughts on it

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The New Rays certainly know what they are doing

They just keep sigining elite talent to below market deals, and then top them off with team options that eliminate any risk with the extra year(s).

by Gopherballs on May 14, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pena

makes up for the one he didn’t get earlier.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This strike zone is terrible

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

but its both ways…

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That.... is really annoying. 2 out 4 pitch walk

This is wher eyou end up wasting a bunch o fpitches and giving away runs

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Luke, Luke, Luke

How can you be so effective and so frustrating at the same time?

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, watching him pitch reminds me a LOT of Fausto Carmona

Well, especially 2008 Carmona – he hasn’t been throwing a lot of strikes, but he continues to get guys out because he keeps the ball down. It can be maddening to watch, but in reality, when he does throw a strike all you can do it beat it into the ground.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't ask me to explain

But I’m convinced, just by watching HOW he moves around the bag, that Billy will be a very good, albeit quietly so, first baseman. No flash, no gold gloves, but he’ll be good.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A two-base strikeout

I haven’t seen one of those in ages.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alright, let's turn this gift into a run

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

between inning question

when at the ballpark, what is your favorite kind of sunflower seeds?

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Long cut mint here

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like long cut wintergreen

The new Skoal Edge is great.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I used to use WG

But it just got to the point where it felt like it was burning my lip. Mint doesn’t have that effect.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's true

I used to chew Cope, but that stuff will mess your lip up something fierce.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The kind that

aren’t getting spit all over me

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least he is showing patience tonight

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

91 pitches for

Verlander thru 5. 1 more inning then the pen.

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 14, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least it looks like we're guaranteed 3 innings of Detroit bullpen

I don’t see how that can’t be anything but a positive. Still, only a 2 run lead… more zeros plz

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Todd Wellemeyer... 6 IP 1H 3BB 5K

As my fantasy team continues to roll through the Royals Review Yahoo Keeper league

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That 2-2 pitch was strike 3

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JESUS where was that pitch

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

who

did they show warming in the pen?

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mahay

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do they go an inning w/him

then Gobbler/

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice outing, Hooch

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BAM... SEE YA

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You will take that outing from your #4-5 starter every single time

His control needs work, but man you can’t complain about what he’s done since being called up.

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Frustrating as hell to watch, but I’ll take 6 IP 0 R any day.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 3 walks are a bit more bearable when you realize he only gave up 4 hits in 6 innings

But still, if he takes out 2 of those walks, maybe it saves him 10 pitches, he pitches the 7th, etc. He’s gonna get better though and considering how good he’s been already, that’s pretty exciting.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, I wish I didn't have to drive three hours

to get to a Hardee’s. I’m having a craving.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I just discovered

that they’ve opened on in Stafford, which is only an hour away, and there’s a Roy Rogers in Manassas (15 minutes) that offers the Hardee’s menu!

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know where you guys live, but here in the Kansas side of the KC suburbs

They closed all the hardees a few years back. Well, I have to drive about 25 minutes. It sucks.

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm about 10 minutes from Saint Joe.

So, I can hit up a Hardees rather quickly (and often).

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm 20 miles WNW of DC

Where I’m also 45 minutes from the nearest Sonic, FOUR HOURS from the nearest Steak-n-Shake, and 45 minutes from the nearest Godfather’s. :/

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(On the other hand, I have five different Five Guys within 20 minutes of me, since this is where they started.)

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, man.

You just said the magic word. Godfathers. MMMMMMMMMMMM!!! One thing I miss about Texas is Whataburger. I would have those things air-mailed if I could.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whataburger was always hit-or-miss with me

Some of them are just awesome, and some of them just make me wanna hurl.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, KC has to have some of hte worst fastfood selection of any major city.

It’s McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy’s, KFC / Taco Bell / Long John Silvers / A&W, only very recently Chik-Fil-A, Pop Eyes. I think we got one Del Taco now. It’s pretty miserable… not even Jack in the Box, or What a Burger.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your NY is showing

In-n-Out, Whataburger, Fatburger, Five Guys >> Hardees >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> McDonalds, Burger King, Wendy’s

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, man

I used to go to the original Fatburger in Wilshire LA. Where they’d cook your burger right in front of you. On a grill. With fresh patties.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the truth

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

As a college student that some weeks lives entirely on fast food and tv dinners, there is a huge difference. Your palate just has to be low class enough to appreciate it.

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody's palate is lower class than mine

Just ask my fiance.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JitB and Whataburger

are both really regional nowadays. So’s Del Taco.

I also miss Taco Bueno and Taco Cabana…

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I grew up on Taco Tico

I miss that

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't even wanna think about

how many taco burgers from taco tico i’ve eaten…

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss Taco Via too, something terrible

But they were always KC only anyway.

...Don Chilito’s, too.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a good thing I just ate a Hy-Vee

take and bake pizza or else I’d be making a food run.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those things are money, I love their cheese

It’s so different from most pizza

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I had a burrito bol a couple of hours ago

So I can control my irrational Thickburger craving. For now.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love getting home and seeing...

we have a CS at third and have had a guy picked off

by royalsreview on May 14, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're very giving in our outs

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The pickoff was just dumb luck, honestly

Verlander almost threw the ball away, and only Cabrera catching the ball ON Teahen’s shoulder saved the error.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he can be a good #2
1 – Greinke
#2 – Meche
#3 – Bannister
#4 – Hochevar

I don’t think Bannister or Hochevar are #2 material, so unless we are waiting for Rosa to come up, then I’m not sure we’ll have a legit #2 if Meche does not come around. Now, that’s still a damn fine rotation, but it could be a little bit better.

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My brain just exploded....

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's lost a step.

That’s a triple last year.

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because Verlander is pitching like a dumbass

Throwing TPJ an 0-1 changeup when he was late on the heat. Sped up the bat, bam, extra base hit.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time for the suicide squeeze?

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God.... still can't get the run in. Ugh

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lefty vs. lefty

though

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would matter to most managers

Particularly when that manager has crappy relievers to work with

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But no one walks to get to feared hitters.

How many people walk to get to Hanley Ramirez? BJ Upton? I doubt that many, because they are feared young hitters. That’s the part that should sting Gordon.

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't surprised if there was a IBB to get to Upton

He’s not Pujols or A-Rod and he doesn’t get treated like them. All Leyland had to work with was getting the best matchup for his LOOGY. That leads to some odd moves.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he takes it out on the ball

and hits the Ford, I’m cool with it.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the pitch to hit

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow, that was a close pitch

i’ll take the walk though

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow. Not that I mind

but that was a small strike zone for Gordo.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh come on Jose

Keep your feet in your cleats

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So would've E-mail.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Paging Barack Obama . . .

“What happens, see, these people have gone through years of loss and frustration, so they cling to guys like Fukudome, and Huber . . . “

by Eppenweb on May 14, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It is, after all, the most important thing

If Soria doesn’t win Rolaids, the season is a bust

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comes in handy

while watching the first 8 innings of a Royals game

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

For now

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yank him if a runner gets on I guess

He’s been about as good as anybody else

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

Bring on Ramirez or Nunez.

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ruh roh

I hate it when the tying run is at the plate

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry.

It’s not like the Tigers have any good offensive players or anything.

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not so far this year

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

I’m always comfortable win Carlos Guillen or Miguel Cabrera or Edgar Renteria are at the plate as the lead or tying run.

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh snapppppppppppppppppppp

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Double play magic!!!

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I find it interesting that Gload hasn't come in as a defensive replacement yet

Typically in a close game in the 8th when we’re leading, Gload would be in by now.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's peopel like you

who are the reason that Ross doenst’ get a chance!!!!!!!! 111 !!!!

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As In Not

Fair to Rossie.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh! I know why he's still in.

He’s leading off the 8th.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just about to say that

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess so. But I don't think Hillman has much cared in prior games

Hopefully Hillman has growing faith in Butler.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Magglio is one of those guys

who is able to do well without being that patient. That’s what convinces some hitting coaches that anyone can do it. Just wait until he loses a big of his bat speed. Even with it, he hits into a lot fo double plays (cf. Jim Rice).

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No problem :)

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Disaster averted... bring on Jack

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NBA Playoffs Update

CLE 87, BOS 93 – 4th Q, 15.6 left

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

damn...

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote that we do away with the "Welcome to the jungle" intro

for Soria and use “Tough Enough” by the Fabulous Thunderbirds.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I prefer La Bamba

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I vote he have no intro

Just some loud tribal drumming and ominous silence from the fans.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it needs to be some kind of Spanish song

Maybe they can get Metalica to do “Enter Sandman” in Spanish….

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wall of Voodoo

“I’m on a Mexican Rayayaydioooo”

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fabulous T-birds

I would bet money that Hllman, Moore, and Buddy Bell each have all of their CDs (or at least had their kids burn the CDs onto 8-tracks).

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Has anyone commented on Soria's odd beard yet?

I love the guy and he’s a great pitcher, but that is some of the worst facial hair in recent memory. It is distinctive, though.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe this means

he’s staying in the pen for a while.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Loyal and I had a brief exchange on the matter

I pointed out he’s trying to hide the acne scarring.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Luckily for Joakim, once you become a major league closer

And cashing 10 million dollar pay checks, the ladies don’t really care what your skin looks like

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by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You'd be surprised

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've really wanted to...

but seeing as to how he is my BOD candidate, I techinically cant.

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I grew one of those last year.

I just have the plain goatee now, but I liked my Amish beard.

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leo!!!

Our lion beats those Tigers again!

Chaim Mattis Keller New York City's # 1 Royals fan!

by cmkeller on May 14, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gameday is SOOOO overly dramatic

SINGLE

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Jake will start a trend

And there will be Amish beards all over KC soon.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

with the price of gas

the horse and buggy might come back too

by Grace's Dad on May 14, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not talk about the price of gas here...

... that damn liquid is going to be the death of me.

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you shouldn't drink so much of it then

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NBA Playoffs Update

CLE 89, BOS 96 – Final

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah they will.

Game 7 vs CLE. I hope…

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TPJ Bats Again

No Callie again. It’s the right thing now.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it has been the right thing for this entire game

...given the starting pitcher, and then the lead

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 14, 2008 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Meant This

Game in this situation. He gone.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think we all know what needs to happen

steal a base, Buck!

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hit and run time baby!

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least he didn't clog the bases

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn Near Swung

At one under his visor.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, I think Soria looks pretty good with the Amish beard going on

I mean that in a totally straight, non-homosexual way.

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Not That There's

Anything wrong with hot Amish homoerotica.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 14, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He could look like the bastard child of Barack Obama and HIllary Clinton

And I’d still think he looked good if he kept throwin’ up the zeroes

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this the year the Royals get multiple All-Stars?

Greinke, Soria, Bannister (long shot), Tony Pena Jr.

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ha ha I see what you did there.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More Analogies

All-Star lineups:performance-based lineups::
Tony Pena, Jr.: strike zone judgment

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FILTH.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You mean "mentally challenged"

Or perhaps “Penaesque”

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know, nowadays looking "retarded" is a good thing.

“Let’s get retarded! Let’s get retarded in here!” – Black Eye Peas (Not retarded.)

Blown Save

by BlownSave on May 14, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

unfair.

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NASTY 3-2 change up

How the hell are you supposed to hit that

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Do you know how many pitchers have the BALLS to throw a 3-2 change up

To the leadoff hitter in the 9th inning with a 2 run lead? Jesus

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

After throwing ALL fastballs

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is definitely a guy we gotta leave in the pen

Eye-roll icon here if i did that sort of thing

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh jesus that was just unfair again

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 10:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JOAKIM SORIA IS MY HERO

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 14, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ballgame!!!

Wow! Viva La Soria!!!!!!!

by royaldaddy on May 14, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you think this is vicious

can you imagine Mexituff vs. the lower half of the Royals lineup?

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Royals

Kings of the Jungle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 11:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is the Royals'

fifth shutout of the year.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best of all

The Royals did it unselfishly—they only got one of those flashy “extra base hits,” and that was obviously lucky given the source.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GW RBI

in the second inning

I count pitches.

by royallyblue on May 14, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's classy baseball

Just doing what you need to do. Right in the “meaty” part of the curve—not falling too far behind, not showing off.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody Knows

The class I’ve seen.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 15, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

On pace for 75 wins now

Not bad, considering that losing streak.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 11:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How many wins will it take

to win the division this year?

by Grace's Dad on May 14, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bunch more than that.

Cleveland’s on fire now, and they’re not going to turn into pumpkins.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

141 should _definitely_ do it

see jonfmorse’s comment below

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can anyone come up with an arbitrary split to generate undue optimism?

“If they continue the pace of the last nine innings, I calculate that they’ll have home field advantage throughout the playoff!”

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 14, 2008 11:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well

we have won three in a row. At that pace, we’ll win 141 games.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 14, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember, It's A

182 game season.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 15, 2008 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

indeed

Boyfriend of the Year 2008: It's gonna be big!

by loyal2theroyals on May 15, 2008 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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