The Office -- Season Finale -- Open Thread
A somewhat annoying cliffhanger seems inevitable. Here are some likely ones:
-Jim proposing, answer not given cliffhanger. I hope they don't do this since they've basically done it multiple times before and a significant portion of the show's fans actually don't care about Pam & Jim. And it isn't a cliffhanger if they make it a cliffhanger. If that makes sense.
- Michael being fired/threatened cliffhanger. I thought this was likely awhile back, but not anymore. Possibly killed by the strike and inability to setup the story line. In the British office David Brent actually gets fired, which remains one of the most stunning things I've ever seen on a TV show. I don't think they can really do that here, but some epsiodes-long hiatus is possible. Just maybe not starting now.
-Jim threatened with being fired/getting fired cliffhanger. I think this is the most likely
, since definte seeds have been planted on this plot line.
-Pam quitting cliffhanger. What I'm sorta hoping for. All depends on how you interpret the final scene last week: was that Pam's awakening that she needs to get out NOW or was it her realization that she's already scerwed, and that Jim is soooo dreamy and suuch a good businessman, so it's all good. Pam quitting could complicate the Jim Proposing Plotline.
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I think what happens
Is someone shoots Jim, but we don’t find out who until next season. And the whole country will be asking “Who shot Jim? Who shot Jim?”
Then next fall we find out it was Mary Crosby.
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my guess
Jim – afraid of being fired, tones down the in office flirting. Pam reads it as a lack of interest by Jim, so begins to seriously consider the graphic design job.
Jim takes Pam out to dinner, prepared to propose to her, but she breaks the news about the graphic design (and possibly the dinner gets interrupted by some combo of Michael/Dwight doing something hilarious.) Does Jim tell her? Does she end up leaving? Roll Credits…
(Hmm, just realized my scenario was a combo of 3 of the 4 outcomes, but I really think this is how it’ll go down. If Michael gets fired, though, I hope he pursues his motivational speaking/singing career.)
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awesome
Part One of the Christmas Special with Brent doing that was so incredibly painful yet hillarious.
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by Matt Klaassen on May 15, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
the last 15 minutes of that episode was absolute bullshit
damnit
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Its almost as if that episode never happened
It was so blah. The whole “Kevin is retarded thing” was mildly amusing, but that joke stopped being funny the third time they did it. What happened to the jokes? And they hyped up the plot twists too much. The plot was pretty lame to be honest.
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Losing Toby stinks
I hope somehow they bring him back. His replacement appears to be an awful character. A female Michael? Ugh.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 15, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions
I didn't see her as that
at the beginning she clearly thought michael was tooled out and not funny, but she appreacited his kindness
Michael was really unlikeable this season, but now they are really putting him in misery, so I guess it evens out.
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
Toby
Toby is totally going to use those photos of him and Pam to break Jim and Pam up.
by DedicatedFollowerOfFashion on May 16, 2008 12:32 AM EDT reply actions
I think Pam going to NY for 3 months is what might break up Jim and Pam
More likely, it will probably cause some problems for them, making Pam think a bit about whether she wants to live the rest of her life with Jim in Scranton. But in the end, they’ll end up together.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
The problem is tha the character Pam really can't escape
This is “The Office.” The show occurs in this office. She can’t escape without the character leaving the show. She can spend a few months in NY over the summer. But if she quits to go to design school full-time or to take a different job, that’s it for her character.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 1:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I know nothing about art/design
but a 3 month program?
I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me
+1
She’d probably get into recreational drug use as well
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Cause that's so cool and art-y!
Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)
by Matt Klaassen on May 17, 2008 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was the best episode in a while -- certainly this season
It struck me that they might have done the smart thing, and instead of fast-forwarding to the end of the season, used a December/February cilffhanger as their end-of-season.
I thought the way they set up the failed engagement was about the best they could do. Instead of either character backing out, the interference of “fate” screws them over. Which will lead to more drama down the line, naturally, but at least neither got cold feet.
In fact, this almost struck me as “Coen brothers lite” in terms of the role fate played in the episode. Michael seemingly is on his way to a relationship with someone who actually might like him, but he runs into Jan. His statement about kids and sex might not have been as subtle as the show’s usual way of getting characters across, but it was perfect, and, I think, quite poignant. Yes, he made a terrible decision. But it makes sense, given his character, and brings back the sympathy for him.
[By the way, Michael is no meaner now than he was the first season—I think they needed to remind us what a jerk he usually appears to be due to the more sympathetic portrait that comes out. The show doesn’t allow any character to be completely “evil” or “good.”]
The Dwight/Angela ending was perfect, especially since Phyllis caught them. Does this lead to an expose, or, better, an extended blackmail on the part of Phyllis leading to wacky hi-jinks?
As for Toby, he’s been a good character. They also did something good with him the this season - they showed that he wasn’t “perfect” in terms of virtue - witness his inability to put aside his feelings for Pam while Ryan used him to undermine Jim due to obvious jealousy. That’s a credit to the show in general. One can’t easily put someone into the “good” or “bad” category. Ryan and Jan are probably the most obviously “evil” characters on the show, but in Jan’s case, at least, one can see how she got there a bit—and that was something they developed out of he initial appearance as the “long-suffering boss” to a totally insane harpy. Personally, I thought they did it in a way that was as believable as any of the other wacky character on the show.
Where was I (yes, this is spontaneous, hence my horrible train of thought and typos)? Oh, yeah. I hope people don’t relate to Toby too much, but only on down days. He’s a nice guy, but ultimately, and ironically, he is a loser. A good person, to be sure, and certainly underseerving of Michael’s abuse (and let me say, that in addition to showing Michael’s irrational dislike for Toby, anyone who’s worked in an office knows that this is pretty dead-on as far as how managers view HR departments). He’s the essence of the nice guy/woman who allows himself to be a victim. That’s another path Jim could take, and one that Pam sometimes seemed to be on during her time with Roy.
The Ryan thing was surprising (although it did allow Kelly to resume the perfect role for her on the show), but did a good job of not coming out of nowhere, since it reflects how he was telling people to use the website. Where are they going to go with it? Personally, I don’t think B. J. Novack adds much as an actor. Perhaps he and Toby decided it would be better to take themselves off camera. Does anyone know if the Toby guy might be leaving the show as a writer, as well?
Part of me thought they could go out on a limb and just let Jim and Pam get married happily, and thus take their relationship of out of the center of the show. But this might be nice, too. I think some people (I’m looking at you, RR) are disillusioned with Jim because they see him as a guy who just gets everything handed to him, without looking at him realistically in context (notice parallel with RR’s rising frustration with Jim’s Royals doppelganger: Alex Gordon [you know this is all in fun, right? Please don’t ban me!]). He’s certainly not perfect, but I do think that he, and also Pam, are unusual in that they are the characters whose perspective we’re supposed to view the craziness of the office—hence the way they acknowledge the camera during the scenes. They do react as real people would, not exaggerations like Michael, Dwight, Jan, etc.
I still think that I’m going to be sick of the show soon, but this episode was a pleasant surprise. In particular, the open-endedness of the many of the “resolved” storylines sets up interesting possibilities for next season.
Sorry to put my unorganized thoughts out here. I only got to watch the episode last night. I’m sure no one cares.
Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)
Isn't every character on that show a loser?
Isn’t that the whole point of the show? A miscellaneous paper company in a nondescript town laboring in obscurity and going nowhere. Even Ryan who appeared to have succeeded going from temp to the corporate office proved himself to be a loser with the failure of DM Infinity and then, of course, his arrest and termination. I really don’t think Toby was any more of a loser than Michael, Jim, Dwight, Pam or any of them. He was the refreshing voice of reason against Michael’s over the top stupidity, immaturity and too often meanness.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 17, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I can see where, on a superficial level, one might see that. Yes, there is the rather obvious sense of doom and hopeless from being in a dying town in a failing paper business. Yes, all the characters are flawed, make bad decisions, and seem to go around in circles. In other words, they’re human beings.
I know what I wrote was stream-of-consciousness and not very clear, but let me reiterate: Toby is a good person who is the voice of reason, and is abused unfairly by Michael. But if the show was just about a jerks and nice people, well, then it would suck as bad as anything else on TV. If people still think Michael’s character, for example, is just a stupid jerk who might have a few good qualities but whom is only very rarely sympathetic, well, frankly, I can’t imagine any adult seeing the show that way. [Even on the Holy British Version, David Brent ends up coming off a bit sympathetic by the end (and, after listening to the commentary and documentaries, more likable and less obnoxious than the real-world Ricky Gervais).] But people do tend to watch TV, probably because of the way sitcoms have traditionally worked, with “good” characters on one side, and “bad” ones on the other.
Michael is at the center of the show, because his character, more than any others, smashes that distinction. In the beginning, he clearly is a jerk, and stupid, and so on. But it becomes quite notable, particularly in the second season, that not only does his behavior have roots in certain needs conditioned by its past (which would only be an explanation, not a justification), but that he has good qualities as well. He isn’t Todd Packer, for example. Even better, I think the contrast between Michael and Ryan is the one that illustrates this (and that is another reason why Ryan’s character might not be needed in the show anymore). The first impression of Ryan is that he’s a normal guy, and that he’s decent, as in the scene (directly taken from the British version) where Pam is brought in and “Punk’d” by Michael, with Ryan obviously sitting there thinking it is idiotic. And this continues. But during the second season, we see that while Michael embodies so many idiotic things (to the extent that pointing it out is silly), he also has good qualities (loyalty, caring, good with kids, sensitivity, good salesmanship) that he simply doesn’t recognize in himself, and thus they get distorted by his neediness and insecurity. Michael is a perfect representative of the obsolete, local business and small town. Ryan, despite his nice appearance and “normal” demeanor, turns out to be the perfect embodiment of postmodern flexible specialization—not tied down to a locale, no loyalty, willingness to relocate/stab anyone in the back, using Kelly, and so on. But the complexity remains, as, despite this, he’s still able to be insightful (Jim will never go to Australia [whatever happened with that, by the way?], and, my favorite, when he clearly notices Pam’s mistreatment of Jim around that same time [Pam doesn’t catch it, of course, at least at the moment]).
My point with Toby, which admittedly gets lost as I got sidetracked onto different things (as in the paragraph above), was that despite his obvious niceness/reasonableness (and, again, these aren’t exceptional, but only see so in the face of Michael’s stupidity, etc. that hardly need to be pointed out), he’s flawed. He allows himself to be victimized by Michael - particularly odd, since he doesn’t report to Michael. Indeed, he embodies many of the flaws of the main characters, that is, not standing up for himself/taking chances. He had many opportunities to “make a move” on Pam, but, one suspects like many watchers, wants to be the nice guy in the PG-13 movie. Yes, that’s a Swingers reference, and it fits perfectly, since Toby acts just like Mikey - he wants to be the “nice guy” who just gets the girl/better job or whatever just because “he deserves it.”
Hey, I understand. I used to view the world that way, as well. But it doesn’t work that way. You don’t have to be a sleazeball like Trent or Ryan to get what you want. But you do have to try and not just allow the world to conspire against you. I don’t mean to rip on Toby as if he’s evil. He’s not. But he isn’t less fallible than everyone else on the show, and he even can slide into Michael-territory, as when he lets his own inability to do anything about Pam (her own slight revelations about thinking Toby’s cute [although “cute” is damning in its own right] point out his lack of initiative) prevents him from objectively seeing Ryan’s blatant unfairness toward Jim (and if people really think that Jim doesn’t care about his job and is good at it… try watching the show again…. I’ll leave it at that).
My point is getting lost again in my sidetracks. In fact, Toby is one of the more admirable and likable characters on the show. He’s a minor character, so we can’t get a full portrait. But given that he is so apparently “good,” the way in which his flaws are brought out this past season forcefully brings home the point about the complexity of human character.
When I say he’s a “loser” relative to other characters on the show, I don’t mean he’s “bad.” Loser isn’t a moral category. But, despite what they all share, Toby is a guy who isn’t only a victim, but he allows himself to be, and, until/unless he goes to Costa Rica, seems to be wallowing in it. He has chances to get out. Some people take it. Jim’s move to CT was a way out. Whatever we make of his choosing Pam over Karen, it was what he wanted to do, he didn’t just allow circumstances to dictate his choices. Pam finally says how she feels. She finally gets going on a career she can do something about. Even Michael has his moments, although he constantly undermines himself, like Toby (which is what makes his abuse of Toby all the more galling). Maybe Toby finally had his moment in his escape to Costa Rica. If so, good for him.
Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)
by Matt Klaassen on May 17, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Is Michael meaner than David Brent?
I’d have to say so. If I recall correctly most of the times Brent was mean was in trying to make a comeback (Mr. Toad? What abut him? He’s a fattie, and he has glasses…). There wasn’t really a Toby equiv on Holy British Office, someone who Brent hated and was repeatedly insanely cruel to.
The worst thing Brent ever did was when he was setup on that blind date with the overweight woman and was pretty mean. Michael on the other hand… Basically pick an epiosde. So in that way, i was sorta disappointed in watching him get rewarded with Holly and her rather nonsensical embrace of him - even though early scenes reveal she in no way actually thinks he’s funny - just as I found or find, Jim’s endless successes annoying. (Side note: Carrell also seems to be too handsome to be such a supposed sad-sack. Gervais is, without question, a very unattractive guy, complete with being overweight. I found this realistic and nice.)
But that’s why the plot twist and the return of post-insane Jan so weirdly refreshing.
So returning to Toby’s leave, it’ll be interesting to see what they do with it, and who becomes the normal character or the pathetic character or whatever. Possibly Michael I guess. There’s also a possibility that they rachet up Jim’s Pam drama (no real life Pam would want to get re-engaged so soon…) but I kinda don’t see that. Jim’s I’m here to stay speech and continued corporate successes aren’t really helping in that regard.
I've seen all of the British version and Michael is definitely meaner than David Brent
And, if Toby is a loser, then the show really is definitely about a bunch of losers. And I don’t mean that in a mean way either. They aren’t bad people. They aren’t awful or valueless. They are just people who get into middling paper company and essentially stagnate there without much of any ambition to do anything else, improve or move up the ladder. Toby just sat there, did his job, injected some reason and realism into Michael’s inane ideas and didn’t do much else. They all allow themselves to be the victim of Michael’s horrible ideas. They almost never complain or quit. They just take it. They don’t try to change the situation, get out of it or move up.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 18, 2008 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
















