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Can anyone say Mike Aviles?!?

Yes yes yes, I know he's been called a AAAA player who will only mature into a dependable backup. But take it from someone who lives in Omaha that this kid is the real deal. I've been on here before lauding his play and I got the normal complaints -- defense and he strikes out too much. Well for a slugging percentage nearing .700 he's striking out the 7th fewest of anyone in the minor leagues with over 100 abs. He's hit 18 doubles and 6 triples already and even stole 3 bases. Hit impressively in the spring but got tenured-out with the current logjam at 2nd in KC. Numerous scouts have put his arm as slightly above average and his range at average. (Not terrible considering the human vacuum at first that is Ross Gload...) Slightly troublesome are his 3 E at short in limited action this year (and his 33 4 years ago... yikes... he's gotten progressively better each year though) but more time there would help that and he does at least look comfortable.

Bottom line -- 

Are the runs TPJ leaves at the plate and on base too much to balance the 2-3 runs he saves a week? Yes, his defense has been darn near stellar this year (he better be buying Gload dinner every night) but you will never TPJ him hit over .250, with even a larger obp, in a starting role for the rest of his career. I for (maybe) one have no problem with a rotation of Grudz and Aviles at 2nd and Callaspo (who's just as questionable defensively, if not more so, at short) and Aviles at short. The kid has a sick  stick from the right side and will not kill you defensively. 

They should have made the trade with the Dodgers for German, because there's no way he can get the playing time he needs to showcase himself with this year's team. I like Grudz but his days as a royal may very well come to an end in July. Just try your Minor League Player of the year and see how he does...

And I really don't wanna hear in 2 years how everyone saw Aviles rise to fan favorite! Nobody thought Keppinger or Gotay would be MLB contributors either and Aviles has much more talent and a much bigger stick. Can/Will his average glove keep his above-above average bat out of KC's lineup?

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can he handle short?

I am fine with second, but I don’t know about at short

by royalsreview on May 15, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What will it take for Aviles to get a shot?

KC continues to amaze me with Mike Aviles although with the way they have handled players in the past, nothing really surprises me. Aviles is a KC draft pick who has hit at every level. KC’s offense is crying for another stick in the lineup. He can play SS, 2B or 3B and by all accounts is a gritty player (which we know is a highly valuable asset). No one really knows about his glove until Aviles is in KC doing it on a big league level. Are the Royals the only ones who don’t see they have to give this kid a chance? He’s a minor league veteran so it’s not like he is a flash in the pan. Aviles had a good spring training in 2008.

Here is my biggest point – why is KC so reluctant to promote Aviles or Maier (who is hitting in the .370s).? It was the same with Huber – What have they got to lose? TPJ is a great glove but let’s face it – the stick is a rally killer. Aviles will be another player who leaves KC and sticks with another organization while the Royals moan about lack of production.

by daveyork on May 15, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Who would you demote or release?

Aviles and Maier are okay I guess, but I’m not really convinced they are much better than what we have now. We really don’t have anyone we can demote, so who would you release?

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 15, 2008 10:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aviles is a mediocre prospect at best
Aviles is a KC draft pick who has hit at every level.

No, he hasn’t. Unless of course you mean he got at least one hit at ever level, and then you’re right. If you mean that he’s hit well at every level, then no, he hasn’t. He hit well in a rookie league, but that’s it until this year

2004 High-A .795 OPS
2005 AA .765
2006 AAA .680
2007 AAA .795
2008 AAA 1.047

So no, he hasn’t hit well at every level. He hit well in a rookie league and then in his third year at AAA now that he’s older than the real prospects in that league. That’s pretty common. And it is rarely particularly meaningful.

KC’s offense is crying for another stick in the lineup.

And there’s no real reason to believe that he’d hit better than Grudz, Callaspo or German.
No one really knows about his glove until Aviles is in KC doing it on a big league level

So all of the scouting reports on his defense could be wrong?
Are the Royals the only ones who don’t see they have to give this kid a chance?

There’s absolutely no room for him on this roster. In such a situation, I don’t think any team would give a mediocre prospect like Aviles a chance.

Here’s the thing. A smart organization doesn’t call up every mediocre AAA prospect every time they have a good month. I’m looking forward to Jason Smith having a great May and then he’ll be the flavor of the week with people clamoring for this “good” player to “get his shot.”

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 15, 2008 11:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Gotta agree with NYRoyal on this one

I don’t really get all the Aviles-love. He’s a pretty mediocre, not that young minor leaguer. He’s not that different from Jason Smith.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 9:58 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm looking forward to his hot month in the PCL

I’d love to see the “Aviles Now!” or “Can anyone say Jason Smith?!?” post. Or perhaps Brian Buchanan or Dave Matranga.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 4:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TPJ should be buying Gload dinner?

If anything, it should be the opposite. That the Royals infielders have committed so few throwing errors this year is testament not only to their defensive prowess, but to Gload’s ability to catch their mistake throws on a very consistent basis.

Royals Authority actually has a good post about the Royal’s defense—it is from a few weeks ago, so it is a little dated, but it is worth checking out. I think the title of the piece is “Defense, Draft, and a pitcher named C.C.”

Also, we don’t know exactly what the Dodgers were offering for German. Sure, dealing German relieves the logjam we have at the backup IF bench positions, but if we just call up Aviles to replace German, we are right back where we started. We should only trade German if another team is willing to give us an equal player in return—we should NOT trade him simply for the sake of trading him.

If/when the Royals play themselves out of contention this year and deal Grudz to the highest bidder, I would not be opposed to calling up Aviles for a look (and to give Callaspo and Gordon a night off here and there). But for now, what is the point of calling up yet another utility infielder who can’t hack it at short? We already have a glut of those.

by DarthYoshi on May 15, 2008 11:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Er, strike the "should be opposite" part of my post

I’m agreeing with you there. :)

Driving 28 hours in two and a half days has made me a forgetful DarthYoshi. (Although yesterday, I did pass Kemmerer, Wyoming, and thought about making a pilgrimage to the birthplace of one John Buck…but I’m lazy, so I didn’t).

by DarthYoshi on May 15, 2008 11:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

we gotta get rid of grudz first

which we all think will happen

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on May 15, 2008 11:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When there is a spot available, then we can call up Aviles, so the Aviles fetishists can get this out of their systems

Right now there is no room for him, at all. And he’s not a good prospect so the desire to call him up shouldn’t be pushing any kind of move. That would be the tail wagging the dog. When we get the best offer we can get for Grudz or German, then a spot will open up. Aviles would be one of the contenders for that spot. Perhaps not the top contender. We really don’t need that many IFers on the 25-man roster.

We really shouldn’t overreact every time a mediocre prospect has a good stretch of games. Brazell, Huber, now Aviles. These are really some pretty crazy overreactions.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 15, 2008 11:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'm gonna agree on this

until a deal gets made on at least 1if not 2 of our middle IFers, no reason for him to be in KC. plus, both german and callaspo are better offensively and equal in defense to him. marginal defenders in the minors don’t suddenly figure it out in the bigs.

by ZeppelinDZ on May 16, 2008 12:14 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TPJ is not the answer

maybe Aviles isn’t either, but TPJ has to go

I wanna know what love is, I want you to show me

by LeoBloom on May 16, 2008 1:19 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You don't even want him as a plus-plus defensive utility IFer?

If Callaspo is getting most of the starts at SS, he definitely needs a good defensive replacement. And TPJ should be starting every time Hochevar is the starter, as well as many times Greinke or Meche starts.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 1:26 AM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm confused

I thought Callaspo was the future at second, not SS. And if Aviles isn’t worth trying at short, I don’t see any point to bringing him up while Grudz is still around.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 16, 2008 11:24 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This Looks Like

Steady, albeit a bit slow, progress in the minors. This year so far is indeed a spike in production that must be sustained another couple of months to be taken seriously. If he’s still producing like this at the trade deadline, we should either call him up after a trade or see what we can get for him. If he could play LF and 1B as well as 2B, his bat could make him a worthwhile member of the mix at those positions. I’m pretty sure he could DH, too.

Year Team Lg Age Org. Level Pos Ln G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SB CS BB SO HBP IBB SH SF DP AVG OBP SLG OPS
2003 Az Royals Ariz 22 Kc Rk ss 52 212 51 77 19 5 6 39 11 5 13 28 5 0 2 5 2 .363 .404 .585 989 -
2004 Wilmington Caro 23 Kc A+ ss 126 463 66 139 40 4 6 69 2 5 39 57 1 2 1 6 8 .300 .352 .443 795 -
2005 Wichita Tex 24 Kc AA ss 133 521 79 146 33 6 14 80 11 6 30 64 1 1 2 5 16 .280 .318 .447 765 -
2006 Omaha PCL 25 Kc AAA 3b 129 469 52 124 21 3 8 47 14 5 28 48 2 0 0 3 14 .264 .307 .373 680 -
2007 Omaha PCL 26 Kc AAA ss-3b 133 538 78 159 27 6 17 77 5 5 30 59 2 0 5 6 24 .296 .332 .463 795 -
2008 Omaha PCL 27 Kc AAA 37 159 33 57 18 6 6 30 3 0 7 16 1 0 0 1 1 .358 .387 .660 1047 -

Minor League Totals – 6 Season(s) 610 2362 359 702 158 30 57 342 46 26 147 272 12 3 10 26 65 .297 .338 .462 800

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 11:28 AM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no problem with him in left either. And no, you don’t bring him up this second. But i really have no problem with letting go of TPJ outright or go the whole player (or cash)-to-be-named-later route. You only keep a defensive shortstop that can’t hit if their name is Ozzie.
And saying a player will never cut it at a position defensively is stupid. Brett became a good defender 9 or 10 years after his rookie year. In the minors, scouts said Scott Rolen couldn’t catch a cold and look at him now. They brought him up for his stick and developed him into an outstanding fielder (Rolen was 3 years younger though).

The Royals need his bat. This division will continue to be mediocre and because of Cleveland and Detroit’s issues the Royals are actually contenders. I really think it might come down to Cleveland and Kansas City for the Central, with Minnesota staying close. If GMDM makes the proper moves at the proper times these slow starts by division counterparts could be the blessing this city needs. This is an average ballclub in an average division. Cleveland scares me but no one else is actually better than the Royals. The problem is our sticks and the kid can rake. Bottom line.

by Royal2103 on May 16, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aviles with the bat

Is nowhere near Rolen or Brett. He’s going to have to field competently to have much utility. His stick may be decent, but its not going to be that great.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 12:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Aviles likely won't hit any better in the majors than Grudz or German

So I’m not quite sure why the Royals need his bat.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 1:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not trying to be that crazy fan that takes a decent record and makes plans on buying playoff tickets… but Cleveland is the only team I see returning to form.

by Royal2103 on May 16, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’m not trying say he’s anywhere close with the bat but that was just for those who don’t think a player can progress defensively in the majors

by Royal2103 on May 16, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure

But how much more can he progress? He ain’t exactly a spring chicken. He’s 27. He’s not likely to get any better than he is now. If he was going to get good defensively, he would have done it by now.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 1:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We're talking about a premium defensive position where range is the key skill

You don’t need so much range at 3B or 2B. You just need good reaction time, a soft glove and a strong arm. It is much easier to grow into that position defensively than SS. At 27, his range isn’t going to get better. He is what he is. Hopefully his hitting has turned a corner, but the fielding isn’t going to change much at all.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 1:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I know I'm going to get

a bunch of: “You’re crazy, he’s terrible”, or, “look at his average, he’s the worst player in history”, buuuut, I hope we can agree that TPJ has looked a lot better hitting wise in the Detroit series. He was 4-10 with 2 doubles and on one of those, actually drove the ball (shocking yes).

While I don’t think he is the answer long term, there is such a thing in baseball as people going through slumps. (See Jose Guillen) He might be showing signs of coming out of it. The coaching staff has been reportedly working with him quite a bit and helping him make some adjustments. I heard this on the broadcast before game 1 with the Tigers. This may be nothing and he might go 1 for his next 15. My point is that way too many people around here want to try and make quick fixes WAY TO FAST. Not even with just TPJ. I’ve seen irrational comments everywhere about so many players when they are going through a slump. Guillen is the perfect example. I saw comments of people wanting to try and trade him. Now, over the last week he has been our best hitter. Let’s wait till the season is at least two months in before we start going crazy.

by I need more Esteban on May 16, 2008 2:43 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Let me just say...

"You’re crazy, he’s terrible", or, "look at his average, he’s the worst player in history".

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 2:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Unemotional comments about TPJ have no place on this site

Consider yourself on probation, sir.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:00 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shocking...

that you would be the first to come to the defense of the immortal TPJ. Just shocking.

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 3:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just trying to inject a little unemotional reason into the analysis

Fielding counts and he might not be the worst hitter in the history of the game. Just a couple of thoughts there.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:17 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

TPJ

Great shortstop, or THE GREATEST shortstop????

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well seeing...

how “his hitting so far is not entirely indicative of what we can expect from him for the rest of his MLB career.” We should expect significant improvement. So he may yet be THE GREATEST.

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 3:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We should expect him to improve at least to roughly the level at which he hit last year

I’m not saying he is a great, good or even average SS. I’m saying he has some valuable skills which are actually needed on this team.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How do you know

2007 is not the aberration? His numbers in 2007 are, amazingly better than the pathetic numbers he posted in the minors. I’d say they were the exception, not the rule.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 3:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sure, we don't know for sure

But 2007 was not out of line with his minor league numbers and players his age are developing and usually improving. Again, he’s got some plus skills that are needed on this team.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Most armchair GM's

...would send down, release or trade away for nothing pretty much any player who has a bad month at the plate. Conversely, most armchair GM’s would call up any AAA player who is having a great hitting month. Most fans greatly overreact to short-term good and bad streaks.

[Note that I’m not saying that TPJ is a good hitter. I am saying that his hitting so far is not entirely indicative of what we can expect from him for the rest of his MLB career. Long story short, he’s probably a pretty good utility IFer, not someone who should be “released immediately!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.”

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm all for him being a utility infielder

But he has had a substantial number of MLB ABs in his career now, and has posted an OPS+ of 58.

Jason Smith, in about 100 fewer at bats, has a 66.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 3:10 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Why not

Wait until Grudz is traded (I’m assuming the Royals will try to do this when a good opportunity arises). At that point, Callaspo becomes the everyday 2B. If Aviles is still hitting decently then, bring him up and give him a decent shot playing SS everyday, with TPJ coming in when defense is needed in late innings when ahead, or at least only when the more ground-ball oriented pitchers are on the mound. Assuming the Royals aren’t contending (ahem) at that point, what could it hurt. If Aviles falls on his face offensively and/or defenisively, so what? If he does something, even only with the stick, then the Royals have more info than they did before.

He probably would be a stopgap at best, but if the stopgap is still a better alternative than starting TPJ all the time, why not try it on the basis outlined above?

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 16, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grudz...

may be too gritty to ever be traded. It would leave us too thin in gritty veterans. Unless we traded him for Darren Erstad or something. Then we would actually come out ahead on grittiness.

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 3:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grudz is a real asset to this team

A .350 OBP and plus-plus defense is valuable. Certainly more valuable than wasting at bats on a guy like Aviles.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:28 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But

He’s an impending free agent and not in our plans for next year, so why wouldn’t you trade him so long as there was an offer available? The reason we’d trade him is not to get Aviles playing time, it would be to get playing time for Callaspo and get a return on value for Grudz.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 3:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not saying don't trade him at some point

I’m going against the sentiment that many have expressed that Grudz should just be dumped ASAP. Just dump him now for $50K or a nameless PTBNL, whatever. Just get him off the team so we can get more AB’s for Callaspo, German and Aviles. That, I don’t agree with. I do agree with trading him, but closer to the deadline when you have a motivated buyer and you get maximum value for him. No, it won’t be a great prospect or anything, but, given pluses he gives to this team (both in terms of hitting and defense), I wouldn’t trade him until a point where his value is maximized.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Again

Nothing here contradicts what I was trying to say in my previous post. Maybe I’m being sensitive here, but I do think my posts aren’t exactly billybutlerformvp level.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 16, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think I'm disagreeing with you much

The only issues are when Grudz should be traded, how eager we should be to trade him and then who gets called up when/if this happens. Aviles would be on the short list for callups, but he wouldn’t be the only player on that list. I don’t know that we’d need or want a 4th IFer on the team. And this is Shealy’s last option year, so I’m somewhat more interested in finding out what we have in him than Aviles.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

It’s not a big deal. Like I said elsewhere (and probably ad nauseum), it’s predicated on the assumption that Grudz trade is inevitable.

My more “radical” and possibly silly suggestion would be to dump Gload on the first person who will take his salary and pick up Ben Broussard (cheaper, and a better hitter). But that’s for another thread.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 16, 2008 3:54 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Grudz...

really can’t be counted on for a 350 OBP for a full season anyway. His career OBP is roughly 330. 350 is in line with his career high totals.

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 3:40 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But his overall hitting has been good for quite a while now

For the past 6 years, he’s maintained an OPS+ of 90 or better. For the Royals it has been 90, 100 and 110 this year. Everyone’s been expecting him to fall of a cliff, but it just hasn’t happened. Not even close.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:49 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To be fair

some people are probably suspicious of Grudz because he was such a favorite of Dusty Baker. Irrational, but understandable.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 16, 2008 3:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Better to trade him too early than too late

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by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 4:23 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's too late?

The difference between trading him now (when there really is no market for him) and trading him later (when there is a motivated buyer) is the differenc between getting a D prospect instead of a B-/C prospect for him. If you’re worried about injury, what are the odds that he’s injured for all of June and July? If you trade him now, you’re giving him away for nearly nothing.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 4:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One factor...

the earlier you trade him the more in salary you save.

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 4:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shouldn't adhere to any kind of timetable on trading Grudz

I’m not saying they should dump him now, but if some contender finds out their 2B is out for three months tomorrow, we should look to trade him whenever the opportunity arises. We shouldn’t have the mindset of dealing him today or in July, but when the best offer comes by.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 4:44 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

This is what I’ve been trying to say. Wait until you have a motivated buyer who makes a good offer. That probably won’t happen in May, but if it does, sold.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 4:45 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not totally clueless

Nothing in my post says that Grudz should just be “dumped now for whatever we can get” or that Aviles is a better player.

I simply said that if Grudz isn’ t in the future plans of the team, when it comes time to trade him and play Callaspo full-time at 2B, what’s to be lost (if Aviles is still hitting at AAA) at trying someone like Aviles at SS. Is it totally unlikely that he might be a slight improvement stopgap over Tony Pena, Jr., who, as pointed out, sucked on offense last year—and (as I pointed out numerous times last season) still had what can only be considered a career year by far when looking at his numbers in the minors? (Yes, he may have improved, but take this year into account, too).

In a weird way, NYRoyal, your good logic against signing Barry Bonds comes into play here. Yes, Bonds would obviously help the team win a few more games this year. But winning a few more games this year, while it has its won rewards, doesn’t necessarily make it worth signing him. And keep Grudz around just because he’s the best 2B at the moment may make a bit of a difference isn’t a “decision-rule” (as we said in high school debate) doesn’t mean the Royals should keep him around, either, unless they resign him for next year and think they can contend and he will keep playing at this level.

But, to repeat—we aren’t necessarily in disagreement . If you read what I wrote again, I didn’t say “just trade Grudz now so we can give Aviles tons of time.” I said WHEN (or if) Grudz is traded so that Callaspo can play full-time, why not try Aviles to see if he might be more productive than TPJ. If that’s just idiotic, let me know, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable.

Hope is not a strategy. And neither is playing Tony Pena every day. (Rany Jazayerli)

by devil_fingers on May 16, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No, you're not clueless

And when I talked about some people calling for Grudz to be dumped ASAP for whatever we can get, I wasn’t talking about you. And I don’t think we should keep Grudz. I just don’t think we should be in a hurry to get rid of him. But if/when Grudz is traded, I wouldn’t make Aviles the SS. Not for a single game. He’s a mediocre prospect who can’t play SS. If he gets PT, it should be at 2B or 3B (when Gordon has a night off).

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Too dogmatic

I agree that Aviles probably lacks the range to play shortstop, but to totally preclude him from playing a single game at short smacks of absolutist silliness that Buddy Bell would employ. Nothing wrong with seeing if how good or bad Aviles is at shortstop for a few games.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 4:24 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That presumes that the organization really has no idea how good Aviles is defensively

I’m sure they know quite well. And every scouting report says that he’s a poor defensive SS. Could they all be wrong? Should they play Aviles at SS just because of fan curiosity?

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 4:29 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If they think he's so poor at defense at short

Why are they playing him there at Omaha? They could play Jason Smith or Angel Berroa, but Aviles has played quite a few games at short this year for the ORoyals.

I’m not sure why you assume you know what the Royals are thinking.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 16, 2008 4:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They have limited SS options

None of their IFers are particularly good defensively. Berrora, Aviles, Smith. Hell, someone has to play short. I certainly don’t know what they are thinking. But I know what the scouts think about Aviles’s defense. I can’t imagine that the Royals organization disagrees with all of those scouts about his defense. And we do know that the current regime values defense up the middle very highly.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 4:48 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

There is a...

logjam at second base that could be filled with German, Callaspo or Aviles. All are younger, cheaper and actually have a future with the club beyond 2008. Not trading Grudz if there is an opportunity would be short-sighted.

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Callaspo...

and German have the potential to have the two highes OBP’s on the team yet they don’t play very much because TPJ and Grudz start every game. I really think Callaspo would be a better SS or a better second basemen than either one of the incumbents. I’m not Grudz bashing (although I always TPJ bash). I just think he is the least viable long term option in a loaded position. Getting rid of him sooner instead of later has its advantages.

by djk royal on May 16, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If Butler continues to look OK at first -

and he has looked marginally acceptable there to me,

then that opens up DH for Aviles.

Seriously, if his defense isn’t good enough, and he is having a career year with the stick, why couldn’t he outhit Gload?

This makes even more sense if Moore trades some of his excess (3 viable 2Bs and 2 viable starting catchers) for other needs, such as shortstop. That would open up the DH spot for Aviles.

by loyal2sdad on May 28, 2008 12:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

By the way, NY

Moore was on 810 yesterday, and when asked about the prospects he saw in Omaha, he more or less said they were ready for the big leagues, but the only position players the Royals have that still have options are Butler, Gordon, and Teahen. Obviously, none of those players are or should be candidates to be sent down, so basically he was saying his hands were tied.

We will all have to wait another month or two for the trading deadline for any of this to be resolved, if then…

by loyal2sdad on May 28, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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