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Game 41 Open Thread - Royals (19-21) at Marlins (23-17)

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Kansas City Royals at Miami Marlins, May 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT


The Battle for Scott Pose's Legacy Begins!

 

The Royals turn to Brett Tomko (5.67 ERA) tonight in Florida hoping to extend their modest four game winning streak and inch ever closer to the .500 mark. Battling Tomko, will be Andrew Miller (6.52 ERA). Get this, despite being an incredibly hyped young pitching prospect, Miller has struggled. Incredible!

Of course, the Royals have to deal with the weird Marlins are really good in interleague play factor, which is totally relevant because Florida has always been noted for having a very stable roster. They're like the 1970s Dodgers practically.

Speaking of that roster, for some reason I totally thought that Marlin backup catcher Mike Rabelo was a former Royal. But that would be wrong. Didn't the Royals once have a guy with a name like that? I'm blanking.

Should be a fun game tonight. The library should be inhabitable again, now that Finals Week has ended here at one of Iowa's finest schools for undergraduate education. As someone who a) likes the library and b) spends much time there, I always resent the four-day influx of undergrads, especially since they manage to maintain their firm avoidance of ever using a book. No, it's Google and Wikipedia and Spark/Cliff/Pink Monkey online and nothing else. But it's all good because the U of I is a public institution, which means that hey, every two or three days the place gets cleaned! So there's not much trash anywhere. No, there's about as much trash as there is turnover on the Marlins roster, which is to say, none.

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by the way... i recommend that people poke around at Fish Stripes

the marlins blog

http://www.fishstripes.com/

the guy there is another old-timer like me… he’s been blogging there since 2005…

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i am dedicating...

My first first post to tony pena jr. may he bloop single and infield chopper his way to that mighty mendoza line he cherishes so much. a noble goal which we all one day will hope to have come true. you can do it little buddy, we’re pulling for you!

by blue bandwagon on May 16, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

just a general question to get things started...

why dont teams skip their 5th starters when an off day gives them a chance to use their better pitchers on normal rest, like tonite would?

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I assume it is because they like occasionally giving their starters an extra day's rest

I don’t know if that’s a good reason in September. I’m pretty sure it’s not a good reason in May.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

seems like it'd be beneficial...

we’d get 3-4 more starts out of our 4 best pitchers and if by chance one of these starters is forced to leave the game early, we have tomko out there ready to go 3 innings and one time through the lineup where he is most effective

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

been wishing they'd do it forever with Tomko...

especially since they semi-skipped his first start, which is how we’re in this situation in the first place… i thought someone was on the right track mentally… alas…

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like when MLB made its move to a 5-man rotation, it became an article of the faith

Now it seems like they almost never want to tamper with the sacrosanct 5-man rotation, even when you can do so without anyone pitching on short rest.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

i really wish some manager with a solid track record would go back to the 4 man rotation

thats the only way it’ll happen is if someone like larussa or cox just said ‘fuck it…my fifth starter sucks’ im not gonna pitch him

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

4 man PAP

This is the same board that argues about just how serious PAP is, but a 4-man rotation is still on the table? We’d probably have to re-run all of the sabermetric calculations if that happens…

I mean, I’m all about the four-man rotation, but I’m just not certain that it and a strict adherence to worries about PAP aren’t some exotic sort of doublethink. Yes, I know you’re talking about pitches per start, but I would guess those pitch count numbers would shrink if it were a 4-man rot.

by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on May 16, 2008 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

im not normally involved in he pap conversations....

i think pitchers should just toughen up a little bit

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know, not you...

I put the reply on the wrong one… meant to go one above that one. Not that I’m baiting a fight, though it may seem that way - really, I don’t know nearly enough about PAP to have that conversation on too deep of a level. Just had a thought and wanted to put it out there.

But speaking of toughening up… forget the pitchers, what about the NBA??? I tell you what, I’ve played hockey and I’ve played basketball, and there’s no way those two sports should have equal time off before games.

Unless Ron Artest is in the starting five of your opponents.

by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on May 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the creators of PAP love the 4-man rotation idea

Rany and Woolner love the 4-man rotation, with monitored pitch counts. Their research shows that it isn’t a dangerous workload.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just a note

While Miller’s numbers aren’t good for the whole season, his last two starts have been pretty good. Let’s hope that ends tonight, though.

by I need more Esteban on May 16, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Pro Robbie Dolphin Bowl Stadium, to be exact.

Apparently you’re more worried about the “Marlins good in interleague” factor than the “Marlins have 4th best record in MLB” factor…?

by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on May 16, 2008 6:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Remember what we did to Andrew Miller last year?

August 29, 2007

0.2 ip, 5 h, 5 r, 5 er, 2 bb, 1 k

That was his last start in the majors last year.

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Greinke

gets a few AB’s this weekend. That’s exciting.

by I need more Esteban on May 16, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions  

pre... it was long ago...

I remember those games. I was in Colorado for some reason, and it was pretty difficult to do regular posting….

will’s memories

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody know why no DeJesus?

Is he hurt?

I probably disagree with you.

by Scott McKinney on May 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Maury Wills Didn't

Bunt this often.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, Miller still looks like garbage

Let’s get him guillen

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Tomko Mashes

His career line:

311 450 23 71 9 0 0 29 0 1 19 177 .158 .191 .178

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Jo-Gui Is Hot

Of late, no?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Hello, I Must

Be going; it’s nice out today. I’ll be listening.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

apropos zilch:

was listening to an interview with aubrey huff a few days ago on espn news and in response to the last question of the interview, “what’s the most important statistic to you, as a hitter?”: he said, “RBI’s”. the interviewer (who, presumably is stat-friendly), basically porky pigged his way into the break, trying his hardest not to insult him. anyway, just thought that it was a pretty clear indication that Brian Bannister is still in the minority when it comes to statistical appreciation/application…

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Good god, I'm watching the Indians at Reds game simultaneously

Great American Ballpark is a freakin’ bandbox. Place plays like a minor league stadium.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand why MLB approved the dimensions.

It’s just too small. If I was a pitcher, there is no way in hell I would sign a contract to play there.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed.

i’ve been to all but the Washington Nationals new park and between Cincy and St. Louis, there isn’t a single original idea. HOK is generally fine, but I really think they stopped innovating somewhere along the line…

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah.

they’re awful. every other new one (post-skydome, i’m talking) has a number of things going for it, but st. loo and cincy are just bland. it’s too bad, too, because you only get one shot per generation on these deals.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Buck, you get winters off...

ever hear of Natural Family Planning??

I kid, congratulations.

I have many leather bound books...

by juano on May 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

We have to get rid of Tomko

and get someone with a better bat in there.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions  

There goes half the lead...

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

That was Uggly.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Fastball down ze middle.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

when the hell are we going to luck into a 30 hr hitter like uggla?

the closest thing i can think of is vlademil

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

We had Ibanez but let him go

He had a 30 bomb year for Seattle, I think

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by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here comes the walk after the home run...

Required by all major league pitchers

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Man I'm good.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

anyone else watch the games on mlb.tv?

if so, what’s your policy of checking the royalsreview thread in key situations? with the lag, i’m always able to figure out what happens before it actually happens by reading the threads…can you protect against it?

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Can tomko get the pitcher out?

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Andrew Miller looks like he's

about 14.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

We just got bailed out byt the pitcher batting

Thank you National League

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta love seeing that pitcher's spot come up in the lineup

Wonder if NL opponents will think the same about KC’s 8th and 9th slots.

Tomko has the ability to get the K!

by daveyork on May 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Pitchers Hitting Pumps

My nads.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Man, Phil, that's

a weird fetish.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Think That

Was Judd Nelson in “The Breakfast Club”.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

She's Legal Now

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah....

But not unheard of. There seem to be large pockets of people who really appreciate this stimulation in cities such as St. Louis, Atlanta, Los Angeles, and San Francisco. They congregate at the ball parks to get their ethereal high from watching pitchers bat.

It really spooks the shit out of me, though. ;)

I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's too bad that...

Miller didn’t match up with Hochevar in this series. That would’ve been fun…

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Unfortunately, Andrew Miller has suddenly found his control

And is throwing everything for strikes. Tomko better get his act together next inning.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Think Hochevar has gotten a bad rap in the draft deal

He sat out a year in the holdout and spend time in the minors learning to pitch with not his best stuff. I think Hochevar will be a good big league starter for many years.

by daveyork on May 16, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree...

...and with the way power sinker-ballers are having such great success (Wang, Carmona, Webb, et al), it seems like his ceiling’s been raised to that of a legitimate #1 guy.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Has Florida ever visited the K?

Or is this the first time we’ve ever played them?

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

The Radio Crew

Said they have.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Way to go there, mister defensive wizard.

Quit telling me how awesome Pena is in the field. I mean it.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus

That beard does not make him look cool, or tough. It also doesn’t help him make plays.

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh, no

The obligatory strike-zone shrink when the wheels are clearly coming off the opposing pitcher.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions  

hahaha

So true

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's A Zen

Thing; yin and yang.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a bad feeling about this game

A 2-1 lead really feels more like a tie, given this “offense”.

The good news is that, as much as every game counts and I’d like to win, at least there’s a 4-game win streak to signal a bit of margin for error. But still….let’s win this damn ballgame.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm just worried because the marlins can mash

Unlike the Tigers, who are supposed to be able to but can’t

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

whats with all the Jayons

instead of jason

does that Y mean something?

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Jose leads the league

in balls off the top of the wall

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

he is F’n retarded

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's no good

:(

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Holy shit

that was crazy…..

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Olivo steals a base off a lefty

TERRIBLE IDEA.. but ill take it

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Teahan with the CLUTCH whiff

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

mmmmmm

My favorite

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

OMG

IBB for Pena

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Didn't Tomko....

hit .286 a few years ago?

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Miller

Does he remind anyone else of Barry Zito? Not necessarily in stuff, but more demeanor and delivery.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAH!

PENA INT’D.. That will be the only time in his career

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

Pena

Only 15 more days, right?

Naw; he’ll be here all year.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

All this preaching of mine re: extensions

I wouldn’t want Moore & the front office to interpret it the wrong way.

(Like they actually read or view my comments, or care, haha).

Still, that would be frightening.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow.. Tomko 0 for his last 34

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

HAHAHHAHAHA

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Jesus

E3

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

E6?

I thought Helms dropped the ball…

Missed throw

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh my holy (#*@#* lmao

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone else love Gator's expressions

when he gets a bad strike call as much as I do?

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Joey because he's so 'hood

His postgame comments are the best. “You know man, just doin’ my thang…”

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAH

YES

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

The Marlins are imposing

MANDATORY OFFENSE!

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by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

This inning really makes you wonder who does the advance scouting for the Marlins

And how much longer they will have their job

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by slayor on May 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised if they even have scouts.

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grud

Your on my fantasy team… care to get a hit?

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks bud.

You always were my hero

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Usually I would bitch about us failing to finish off Miller

But we are so lucky we scored anything there, I will save it for later.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions  

So.. After the double

The Royals struck out twice, hit three infield grounders and had two walks, one of which was intentional

THEY DO THE LITTLE THINGS SO WELL

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:22 PM EDT reply actions  

lol

miller is up to 83 pitches…dang, his defense really ‘f’ed him in the a.

by JSoria on May 16, 2008 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn’t know the bullpen at Pro Player had wireless…

then again, baseball players are big internet guys…

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dan Ugly is asking Tomko who his daddy is

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Damn

Did you see Gator gun that in again?

Where the hell did that cannon come from? I thought he had a spaghetti arm?

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions  

He's got a nice arm

He’s showed it off a couple times this year.

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hence "again"

after that rocket he launched earlier this week

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

he’s excited to be playing in front of such a large crowd

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why Dolphin Stadium loves football season

Those extra 50 fans puts food on the table for the owner

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would really be inexcusable to lose this game. There, I said it. If the Royals lose, THERE WILL BE NO EXCUSES MADE FOR THEM.

This is a circumstance I am sure they are dreading.

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions  

The...

...prospect of excuselessness fills them with dread. Keeps them up at night. Sweats them.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

WHOA

Teahen almost got Uggla at second

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd hit it

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

My ideas of "hot" are a few dozen degrees to the left of the norm

She’s not hot, but I wouldn’t evict her.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm pickier than that

But then again, I wouldn’t hit some women that most guys salivate over.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I Never Got

That one.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 17, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm glad we got to have this discussion...

I think I’d prefer her to her sister at this point.

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I'd agree with that

but I’ll tell you who I absolutely drool over, Carrie Underwood. I would pack up a run away with her in a heartbeat.

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do.

As long as she promises not to sing.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

AWESOME! Base open and pitcher up next

And we pitch to em.. great fucking job

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

i don't disagree with that choice...

miller would probably have been pitch hit for.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

No.

Absolutely no way.. in the 4th inning when most the runs arent his fault

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Marlins TV

just pulled Cookie Rojas on the air for a few seconds.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

If Tomko could ever keep pitches down & locate

....he would be lights-out. The problem is that he never has and never will. I’ve never seen such a disparity in stuff + control, mixed with very poor command.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions  

yea...

I think he was supposed to be a stud prospect back in the day… he just never really tied it all together

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

i was just thinking about that...

...his last outing (which I didn’t watch) he must have had ridiculously bad luck. of the 17 balls hit in play against him, 9 went for hits. that seems like bad luck to me, but when it happens repeatedly, season after season, you have to stop calling it luck. at this point he is what he is, a ML-caliber swing guy. Bad enough to hurt you but good enough to keep him around. here’s hoping he can harness stuff this year. stranger things have happened.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah. pretty much...

but so are lots of guys. anyway, i’d take him over any royals starter from ‘05.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

God, Guillen just sucks.

I wish he’d go back to making outs like he’s supposed to.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions  

we didn't bring him here for goddam

singles. where’s the power?

(fyi, check your sarcasm meters…are you getting a reading? good.)

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Random thought

....I feel like our pitching is performing better than their ERA & peripherals would indicate this far into the season. Do you think our pitching staff has been mismanaged this year? I think for the most part, we’ve continued to do a good job, but keeping Yabuta around is nonsensical, and the Nomo experiment obviously should have never happened.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

How's Ryan Braun doing in Omaha?

I’ve been meaning to check but have been too busy. I still think he deserves another chance.

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

totally agree with this one on the roster

KC could use the extra bat off the bench with Costa, Maier, or Aviles (or even Tupman). Putting Olivo in the DH would make more sense if a 3rd catcher was on the roster. Peralta and Yabuta don’t have much of a role except mop up.

by daveyork on May 16, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Peralta

I know he’s had a couple of rough outings this year, but he’s normally very consistant.

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree.

i don’t understand the hate for peralta around here. he’s very solid. not soria/nunez/ramirez, but very solid.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

that said

if we could trade him for a (new) bag of balls at the deadline i’d do it. middle relievers have a productive half-life of like 150 innings.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just can't do the Costa thing

We’ve been down that road too many times before.

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

i'm keeping the faith on yabuta...

but if someone has to go down, i guess it’d be him.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not hating on Peralta

Over the past couple of years, he has been one of the most consistent guys on the staff. Just look at the number of appearances. What I’m saying is in this bullpen – Soria – closer, Nunez – short, Gobble – LOOGY, Mahay & Ramirez – middle relief – Peralta is left with mop up or blow out duty.

What a good problem to have – I could see Peralta getting a larger role as the season goes on. Wonder what his trade value will be at the deadline?

by daveyork on May 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

yea...

but hey… Jimmy Gobble is a great use of a roster spot. He’s on pace for… what, 12 innings this season

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, I wasn't fair to Trey

Gobble is on pace to throw 28 innings.

by Freneau on May 16, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

And if/when Pena moves to the bench, he only has value as a defensive sub if there’re 11 pitchers. You can’t afford to keep a one position defender on the bench when you only have 4 spaces.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Friends, I'd now like to introduce you to

the Florida bullpen.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Good to see that Miller is making so many pitches

Let’s get into the Marlins bullpen for tonight and also for the rest of the weekend. It has been one of the Royals’ strength is they haven’t had the stretch where the starting pitching has just been getting killed early in the game. For the most part, the rotation has gone 5-7 innings almost every night.

by daveyork on May 16, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions  

OMG!

Jayson Werth has 3 homers… a grand slam, a three-run shot, and a solo-shot

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Who?

Just kidding, but what the hell?

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

A solo-shot?

Selfish unproductive bastard.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's just not clutch

And clearly there isn’t enough grit around that Dodgers clubhouse. He just doesn’t know how to win. He might fit in well in a clubhouse with Barry Bonds, Matt Cain, and Alex Rodriguez. Then, they could all lose together….in harmony.

The Nation at large.

by Royals Nation on May 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

**Phillies

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Werth's output today

would place him tied for fourth for HRs on the Royals. Yikes.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

and like 3rd in RBI's lol

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teahen's

gotta be happy to not have to face Miller again.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Earlier it was mentioned that Teahen is on a pace to drive in only 40

That is an amazingly low number especially for a guy who bats in the middle of the order – even a weak order like KC. Is Teahen a platoon player looking for a RH partner?

by daveyork on May 16, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I can hear it already...

Tomko DEEP to left field and OUTTA HERE 461 FEET

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 16, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Ha ha.

Ha ha hee hee hee.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

That sucked

Wasn’t Waechter (sp?) out of baseball the last few years?

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Good news!

Tomko has yet to give up a single this game.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions  

goddamnit

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

They cancelled hockey years ago.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some of the best young hockey players

in a long time are playing right now and it sucks because nobody is watching. The Penguins are impressive with Crosby, Malkin, and Fluery.

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luis Gonzalez

Brady Anderson disease survivor

by royaldaddy on May 16, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Your attention please

Brett Tomko has now thrown yet another quality start.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions  

he can lose that, right?

not to jinx him, but it ceases to be quality if he gives up a total of 5 through 7, no?

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, he can lose it

But he’s now in line for it, anyway.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions