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Game 41 Open Thread - Royals (19-21) at Marlins (23-17)

Kansas City @ Florida


The Battle for Scott Pose's Legacy Begins!

 

The Royals turn to Brett Tomko (5.67 ERA) tonight in Florida hoping to extend their modest four game winning streak and inch ever closer to the .500 mark. Battling Tomko, will be Andrew Miller (6.52 ERA). Get this, despite being an incredibly hyped young pitching prospect, Miller has struggled. Incredible!

Of course, the Royals have to deal with the weird Marlins are really good in interleague play factor, which is totally relevant because Florida has always been noted for having a very stable roster. They're like the 1970s Dodgers practically.

Speaking of that roster, for some reason I totally thought that Marlin backup catcher Mike Rabelo was a former Royal. But that would be wrong. Didn't the Royals once have a guy with a name like that? I'm blanking.

Should be a fun game tonight. The library should be inhabitable again, now that Finals Week has ended here at one of Iowa's finest schools for undergraduate education. As someone who a) likes the library and b) spends much time there, I always resent the four-day influx of undergrads, especially since they manage to maintain their firm avoidance of ever using a book. No, it's Google and Wikipedia and Spark/Cliff/Pink Monkey online and nothing else. But it's all good because the U of I is a public institution, which means that hey, every two or three days the place gets cleaned! So there's not much trash anywhere. No, there's about as much trash as there is turnover on the Marlins roster, which is to say, none.

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by the way... i recommend that people poke around at Fish Stripes

the marlins blog

http://www.fishstripes.com/

the guy there is another old-timer like me… he’s been blogging there since 2005…

by royalsreview on May 16, 2008 6:29 PM EDT   0 recs

i am dedicating...

My first first post to tony pena jr. may he bloop single and infield chopper his way to that mighty mendoza line he cherishes so much. a noble goal which we all one day will hope to have come true. you can do it little buddy, we’re pulling for you!

by blue bandwagon on May 16, 2008 6:29 PM EDT   0 recs

just a general question to get things started...

why dont teams skip their 5th starters when an off day gives them a chance to use their better pitchers on normal rest, like tonite would?

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 6:36 PM EDT   0 recs

I assume it is because they like occasionally giving their starters an extra day's rest

I don’t know if that’s a good reason in September. I’m pretty sure it’s not a good reason in May.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 6:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

seems like it'd be beneficial...

we’d get 3-4 more starts out of our 4 best pitchers and if by chance one of these starters is forced to leave the game early, we have tomko out there ready to go 3 innings and one time through the lineup where he is most effective

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 6:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

been wishing they'd do it forever with Tomko...

especially since they semi-skipped his first start, which is how we’re in this situation in the first place… i thought someone was on the right track mentally… alas…

by royalsreview on May 16, 2008 6:55 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It seems like when MLB made its move to a 5-man rotation, it became an article of the faith

Now it seems like they almost never want to tamper with the sacrosanct 5-man rotation, even when you can do so without anyone pitching on short rest.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 7:01 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

i really wish some manager with a solid track record would go back to the 4 man rotation

thats the only way it’ll happen is if someone like larussa or cox just said ‘fuck it…my fifth starter sucks’ im not gonna pitch him

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:13 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

4 man PAP

This is the same board that argues about just how serious PAP is, but a 4-man rotation is still on the table? We’d probably have to re-run all of the sabermetric calculations if that happens…

I mean, I’m all about the four-man rotation, but I’m just not certain that it and a strict adherence to worries about PAP aren’t some exotic sort of doublethink. Yes, I know you’re talking about pitches per start, but I would guess those pitch count numbers would shrink if it were a 4-man rot.

by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on May 16, 2008 7:29 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

im not normally involved in he pap conversations....

i think pitchers should just toughen up a little bit

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I know, not you...

I put the reply on the wrong one… meant to go one above that one. Not that I’m baiting a fight, though it may seem that way - really, I don’t know nearly enough about PAP to have that conversation on too deep of a level. Just had a thought and wanted to put it out there.

But speaking of toughening up… forget the pitchers, what about the NBA??? I tell you what, I’ve played hockey and I’ve played basketball, and there’s no way those two sports should have equal time off before games.

Unless Ron Artest is in the starting five of your opponents.

by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on May 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually, the creators of PAP love the 4-man rotation idea

Rany and Woolner love the 4-man rotation, with monitored pitch counts. Their research shows that it isn’t a dangerous workload.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 10:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Just a note

While Miller’s numbers aren’t good for the whole season, his last two starts have been pretty good. Let’s hope that ends tonight, though.

by I need more Esteban on May 16, 2008 6:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Pro Robbie Dolphin Bowl Stadium, to be exact.

Apparently you’re more worried about the “Marlins good in interleague” factor than the “Marlins have 4th best record in MLB” factor…?

by wentToARoyalsGameBeforeRR on May 16, 2008 6:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Remember what we did to Andrew Miller last year?

August 29, 2007

0.2 ip, 5 h, 5 r, 5 er, 2 bb, 1 k

That was his last start in the majors last year.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 6:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Greinke

gets a few AB’s this weekend. That’s exciting.

by I need more Esteban on May 16, 2008 6:45 PM EDT   0 recs

But he hit a HR!

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 6:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

pre... it was long ago...

I remember those games. I was in Colorado for some reason, and it was pretty difficult to do regular posting….

will’s memories

by royalsreview on May 16, 2008 6:57 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Anybody know why no DeJesus?

Is he hurt?

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 16, 2008 7:10 PM EDT   0 recs

it worked yesterday?

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Gathright is a very patient leadoff hitter

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:13 PM EDT   0 recs

Maury Wills Didn't

Bunt this often.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, Miller still looks like garbage

Let’s get him guillen

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:14 PM EDT   0 recs

Tomko Mashes

His career line:

311 450 23 71 9 0 0 29 0 1 19 177 .158 .191 .178

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:15 PM EDT   0 recs

i hate pitchers hitting

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:16 PM EDT   0 recs

Me too.. unless it's micah owings

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:16 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

All I have to say is

that I can call Jose my boy without having to check and see if anyone’s about to call me on my hypocrisy!

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

me as well

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Jo-Gui Is Hot

Of late, no?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:17 PM EDT   0 recs

Now that we've given Bombko a lead to blow

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT   0 recs

Hello, I Must

Be going; it’s nice out today. I’ll be listening.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:18 PM EDT   0 recs

apropos zilch:

was listening to an interview with aubrey huff a few days ago on espn news and in response to the last question of the interview, “what’s the most important statistic to you, as a hitter?”: he said, “RBI’s”. the interviewer (who, presumably is stat-friendly), basically porky pigged his way into the break, trying his hardest not to insult him. anyway, just thought that it was a pretty clear indication that Brian Bannister is still in the minority when it comes to statistical appreciation/application…

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:22 PM EDT   0 recs

Good god, I'm watching the Indians at Reds game simultaneously

Great American Ballpark is a freakin’ bandbox. Place plays like a minor league stadium.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:23 PM EDT   0 recs

I don't understand why MLB approved the dimensions.

It’s just too small. If I was a pitcher, there is no way in hell I would sign a contract to play there.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

agreed.

i’ve been to all but the Washington Nationals new park and between Cincy and St. Louis, there isn’t a single original idea. HOK is generally fine, but I really think they stopped innovating somewhere along the line…

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah.

they’re awful. every other new one (post-skydome, i’m talking) has a number of things going for it, but st. loo and cincy are just bland. it’s too bad, too, because you only get one shot per generation on these deals.

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oops....

thought you were talking the stadium in miami

by mikewormdog on May 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey Buck, you get winters off...

ever hear of Natural Family Planning??

I kid, congratulations.

I have many leather bound books...

by juano on May 16, 2008 7:27 PM EDT   0 recs

maybe this explains his late season slump last year....

too busy making babies

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT   0 recs

i hate tony pena

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:28 PM EDT   0 recs

We have to get rid of Tomko

and get someone with a better bat in there.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:35 PM EDT   0 recs

There goes half the lead...

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT   0 recs

That was Uggly.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT   0 recs

Fastball down ze middle.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

when the hell are we going to luck into a 30 hr hitter like uggla?

the closest thing i can think of is vlademil

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

We had Ibanez but let him go

He had a 30 bomb year for Seattle, I think

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Here comes the walk after the home run...

Required by all major league pitchers

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT   0 recs

Man I'm good.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

anyone else watch the games on mlb.tv?

if so, what’s your policy of checking the royalsreview thread in key situations? with the lag, i’m always able to figure out what happens before it actually happens by reading the threads…can you protect against it?

by billexgordler on May 16, 2008 7:39 PM EDT   0 recs

get dircet tv or move

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 16, 2008 7:40 PM EDT   0 recs

And now the wheels start to come off tomko

Fun

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:41 PM EDT   0 recs

That was an awesome no-IBB.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:42 PM EDT   0 recs

Can tomko get the pitcher out?

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:43 PM EDT   0 recs

Andrew Miller looks like he's

about 14.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT   0 recs

We just got bailed out byt the pitcher batting

Thank you National League

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 16, 2008 7:44 PM EDT   0 recs

Gotta love seeing that pitcher's spot come up in the lineup

Wonder if NL opponents will think the same about KC’s 8th and 9th slots.

Tomko has the ability to get the K!

by daveyork on May 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Pitchers Hitting Pumps

My nads.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:45 PM EDT   0 recs

Man, Phil, that's

a weird fetish.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I Think That

Was Judd Nelson in “The Breakfast Club”.

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 16, 2008 7:47 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mmmm, just-legal Ally Sheedy.

Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.

by jonfmorse on May 16, 2008 7:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

She's Legal Now

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.