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Royals Sign Soria to Extension

Bob Dutton, (who else?), reports from Miami :

 

The Royals and Soria reached agreement Saturday on a six-year contract agreement that runs through 2014. The deal is believed to include $8 million in guaranteed money over the next three seasons with club options for 2012-2014.


Obviously, the club options are the contract's real value, as well as the avoidance of arbitration, which is quickly becoming extinct. Expect a big writeup on this Sunday night or Monday morning, but we can get the discussion rolling now.

I don't know about you guys, but I always feel slightly weird celebrating contracts like this. Oh yay! The Royals have snookered a young guy, from a foreign country, into taking a much lower salary than he would have otherwise received if he'd risked it. Yay! Hehehe, this is so smart.

Sometimes the fact that baseball, as an industry, is becoming smarter, makes me sad. "Smart" in a corporate sense means, too often, finding ways to not pay people more.

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Hip hip hooray!

C’mon, he probably has an agent. And that agent should have his bar license taken away. That is malpractice. $8 million guaranteed? Wow.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 17, 2008 8:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Hi, I'm Lionel Hutz

I’ll be your agent today! I’ll negotiate your contract in under 30 minutes….or the pizza is free!

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by RoyalsRetro on May 17, 2008 8:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Go check out Wakefield's perpetual team option

I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.

by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 17, 2008 10:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

oh i know...

he’s lost millions with that thing… i think it’s been going for like 5 years now

by royalsreview on May 17, 2008 11:07 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't Soria have major injury history?

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on May 17, 2008 8:51 PM EDT   0 recs

dont think so

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 17, 2008 9:59 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Interestingly

There is a clause where he gets more money if he becomes a starting pitcher. So obviously management is contemplating that.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 17, 2008 8:51 PM EDT   0 recs

The Star updated the story in your link

“The deal’s total value, including option years, projects as roughly $30 million if Soria remains a reliever. It includes about $2 million in accelerator clauses if he becomes a starting pitcher.”

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by RoyalsRetro on May 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

30/6

is pretty good money for a reliever, only experienced relievers with the closer tag make more (and keep in mind that Soria has a total of about half a season of experience as a big-league closer). $8 mil in guaranteed money is a pretty lame job on the part of Soria’s agent, but averaging $5 mil per year makes the deal seem less criminal. Relative to the number of innings they pitch, top relievers tend to be pretty overpaid anyways. It’s the three consecutive team options that make me wonder what Soria’s agent was smoking.

Also, keep in mind as well that some of last year’s other rookie phenoms are signing similar deals (Longoria is cited below, I would also point out that Troy Tulowitzki’s new contract with the Rockies is almost identical in both overall salary and total number of years, but established second basemen like Jeff Kent still fetch $10+ million per season).

by DarthYoshi on May 17, 2008 11:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe it's taking advantage, but he isn't a migrant worker

or an imported low-level C++ programmer. He’s a millionaire, now. Or will be very soon.

If they “foreign” angle is the issue, take a look at Evan Longoria’s contract, Very similar, in terms of being favorable to the team. Other agents ripped it (anonymously, of course). And Longoria is much more hailed that Soria.

Let’s save our concern for the people who are really on the margins, RR. Like Kum Byrd. Did you ever think about how she feels about this?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 17, 2008 10:09 PM EDT   0 recs

Make that "Kim Byrd"

Typing is fun!

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Are you suggesting

Joakim doesn’t know how to love himself?

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by RoyalsRetro on May 17, 2008 10:15 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

true enough

he’s not a C++ programmer, no, but he might be supporting a lot of people with his pay

or not…

by royalsreview on May 17, 2008 11:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Probably no more

or less people than, say, your average cruise crew member, migrant worker, or C++ programmer in Calcutta. I’ll say less.

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 17, 2008 11:48 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Great Signing

LEAVE HIM IN THE PEN THOUGH

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 17, 2008 10:51 PM EDT   0 recs

Wow

This is a terrific deal for the Royals. Hard to see how he signed it, though. Hopefully in the end (with the options) it’ll end up a fair deal for all. Great to know this guy will be around- he’s the best pitcher the Royals have had in years.

by cookierojas73 on May 17, 2008 11:16 PM EDT   0 recs

What would be awesome (just as an aside)

is if Royals players started using their BoD standings as part of their presentations in contract negotiations.

by DarthYoshi on May 17, 2008 11:31 PM EDT   0 recs

Will, your concern is well-founded

I talked to someone who knows a lot about the whole baseball agent business, and he was very concerned that it was a horrible deal for the player. Thought it was likely that Soria was throwing away the chance for really big contract in exchange for short-sighted security. Then again, I doubt Angel Berroa is kicking himself for signing his contract.

That being said, I think its hilarious that they waited until he gave up an ER to finalize the deal. Its like the Royals were waiting for leverage (not really).

by raefzilla on May 18, 2008 1:11 AM EDT   0 recs

It is a fair deal

Soria would not be eligible for arbitration next year, so he would have only made $500K or so in 2009. In 2010, using Huston Street as a benchmark for a first-time arbitration eligible closer, Soria would have made $3-$3.5m. In 2011, it would likely increase to about $5-$6. So while he is guaranteed $8m over the next three years, he likely would have made only $9-$10m going year to year. The three team options include his last arbitration year and two free agent years, and average about $7m per year. Closers do not make as much as comparable starters or position players. Free agent (or soon-to-be) all-star closers not named Mariano Rivera generally get about $9m-$11m. Soria is certainly giving up some money (and control) for the security of receiving guaranteed money before his arbitration years, but the difference may only be around $10-$12m over a six year period.

by Gopherballs on May 18, 2008 2:26 AM EDT   0 recs

If you're going to use Street as a comp,

you need to take into account inflation. You’d also need to adjust for inflation slightly for your all star closer comp. Both Francisco Cordero and Joe Nathan got contracts with an AAV > $11M.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 18, 2008 12:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Cordero's AAV is $11.5, Nathan's AAV is $11.75 -- hence, the word "generally"

As for Street, the inflation in arbitration, especially for first year eligible players, is not the same as free agent salary inflation, as the arbitration system uses comparisions with past awards to and salaries of players with the same service time. Street’s salary of $3.3m is still going to be a fair comp after next season.

But really in the context of baseball salaries, It is a waste of time to argue about $100K here or there.

by Gopherballs on May 18, 2008 1:45 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I pointed out

Nathan and Cordero because they’re earning more than the upper end of your estimate. Add a couple seasons of inflation to that, and the typical salary for a star closer is going to be more.

Also, the utility of an extra few hundred K varies on the player. An extra $300K per season has more utility to players like Soria, than players who’ve banked tens of millions.

For another comp KRod got $3.775M in 2006.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 18, 2008 3:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Doesn't K-Rod undermine your point?

If K-Rod got $3.775m in 2006, with all that inflation, how did Street get only $3.3m two years later? At that rate, Soria would have only got $2.9m in 2010.

by Gopherballs on May 18, 2008 5:49 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not interested in setting up a point

and counter point point scoring debate.Just providing KRod as an additional comp for a young elite closer.

Why did Street get $3.3M 2 years later? Because they’re different players? Because they signed for different teams? Because neither went to arby? Because the market is NOT perfect?

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 19, 2008 11:19 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

And all those same points would apply to Soria and an estimate of his first-year arb eligible salary

Again, arguing about differences of $100K (or even $275K) in estimating salaries of arbitration eligible players is rather pointless.

by Gopherballs on May 19, 2008 1:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thank you God!!!!!!!!!

Nobody screws with the Soria. Now, he’s just a royal blue feature.

by royaldaddy on May 18, 2008 3:18 AM EDT   0 recs

People always say they think these deals are unfair to the players...

But think about it. Soria goes out tomorrow, blows out his arm. Completely shreds it. Toast, couldn’t pitch again if Dr. Andrew had the blood of Christ sprinkled on his surgery hand before cutting him open. Guess what – Soria still gets to rake in that sweet 8 million dollars guaranteed. This for a guy who a year ago was toiling in the depths of Mexican baseball. Hello, payday and big fat ticket for his family out of any financial troubles they may have, into the sweet blissful security of guaranteed millions. Sure, he could of said F THAT, waited for arbitration… hoping that he would remain productive and healthy. But why? Exactly. Guaranteed money = sexy. Everybody likes job security. It’s a great deal for both parties involved.

winning records follow good bullpens

by slayor on May 18, 2008 7:06 AM EDT   0 recs

I'm coming late to the party

I don’t believe that Soria got “cheated” or that the agent did a bad job.

First, Soria has earned about $800K in MLB before taxes. He’s got 1 year of service time, so he’s only eligible after 2009. If he gets injured or ineffective, sometime between now and 2009-2010, he doesn’t really have much of a monetary cushion banked. And given that he’s a pitcher, not a position player, injury / ineffectiveness before he hits his first big payday, is a fairly possible event/.

ZIPS: Milledge: 466 HR, 485 2B, 2282 hits, 278-379-524

by rfloh on May 18, 2008 12:22 PM EDT   0 recs

This isn't "unfair" "taking advantage" or "cheating"

Like all of the rest of young players getting long-term deals this year, they are getting market rate, but discounted because the player gets security and the team takes on risk. If Soria remains a great pitcher over the course of the contract, it’s a great deal for the Royals. If he implodes, deteriorates or develops significant injuries, then it is a steal for Soria. It’s a fair deal all around.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 18, 2008 12:34 PM EDT   0 recs

I disagree.

The dollar amount isn’t everything. Soria has security now. If he were to get injured, he’s ok. It’s all about risk avoidance and Soria and the Royals both took on the risk they were willing to in this deal. In this age of agents, no ‘kid from a foreign country’ is getting ‘snookered’ into anything.

by Bart41 on May 18, 2008 3:06 PM EDT   0 recs

Contract details

Courtesy of Cot’s site:

2009 – $1M (He was due no more than $400K.)

2010 – $3M (He probably would have hit super-two arbitration this year.)

2011 – $4M (Abritration eligable)

2012: $6M club option ($0.75M buyout) guaranteed with 55 games in 2011 or 110 games in 2010-11. Guaranteed at $6.5M with 400 IP in 2010-11. (Arbitration eligable.)

2013: club option. No details on the site. Looks to be around $8M. (1st year of FA)

2014: club option. No details on the site. Looks to be around $8M.

So, Soria just became a very rich young man. He is guaranteed $8.75M at this point in the worst case scenario. According to Cot’s the value of the entire contract, if all goes well, will be about $30M if Soria stays in the pen, or $32.75M if he becomes a starter.

Soria might have made more money if he took the risk of not signing this contract, but with his being guaranteed about $9M as of today it is hard to feel sorry for him. He and his family are set for life. He has to feel pretty good today.

I like the contract. Hopefully the Royals pick up those last two options and we all enjoy six more years of Soria’s nasty self.

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by James Quinn on May 18, 2008 3:06 PM EDT   0 recs

A note on Soria's agent

This thread made me curious, so I tried to get some info on Soria’s agent, to see what his record was. Well, some lazy google searches later, the most interesting thing I came up with was that the agent is, I believe, also the agent for Juan Castro. Juan Castro! If this is the same dude who got Castro several different major league deals the last few years, he has to be freaking amazing on some level, right?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 18, 2008 10:14 PM EDT   0 recs

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