2011 Roster
by ZeppelinDZ on May 19, 2008 4:51 PM EDT
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PrintUsually this is a fun activity for the off-season, but given how many posts over the last few weeks have been on long term contracts, I think this would be a good time to think about future roster building. So post how you see the royals 2011 25 man roster to shape up, or just parts of it. Obviously projecting the 2011 bench and relief pitchers is next to impossible, but go ahead and give it a try. why 2011? guillen's contract expires and Moose is likely MLB ready.
oh, and one more thing, try doing it entirely from players currently in the organization. you can assume players leaving, but assume nothing incoming (free agents/trades/rule V) on the 25 man.
couple resources:
http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/features/265472.html
http://www.freewebs.com/steelcurtain88/schematic.htm
here is a quick look at my 25 man, kinda illustrates what all this team needs going forward beyond what we have. and how much of our payroll we can afford to tie up with all the deals we might want to make now.
c Buck
1b Butler
2b Callaspo
3b Gordon
ss McConnell
lf Lubanksi
cf Robinson
rf Moustakas
dh Kaaihue
b1 Donachie
b2 Johnson/Taylor (utility IF)
b3 Bianchi (utility IF/first bat off bench)
b4 Maier (Defensive OF/pinch runner)
s1 Greinke
s2 Cortes
s3 Hochevar
s4 Meche
s5 Soria
c1 Ramirez
r1 Rosa
r2 Mitchell
r3 Nunez
r4 Pimentel
r5 Wood
r6 Duffy
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Does this assume...
we extended Greinke and Buck? 2010 are the last years we will control them.
Also...
Bannister, Teahen and DeJesus are not picked up? Interesting.
I'd prefer...
DDJ and Teabag not be picked up. There is better out there.
I really don't know what to say... Did the post above this signature make sense? Probably not.
by RoyalsFanInMarinerTown on May 19, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it highly unlikely that the 2011 lineup will have this many current Royals minor leaguers
I doubt that more than 2 of the following will be on the 25-man roster in 2011:
McConnell
Lubanski
Robinson
Kaaihue
Donachie
Bianchi
Taylor
Johnson
Maier
And probably no more than 1 of:
Mitchell
Pimentel
Wood
Duffy
Most prospects don’t pan out. Free agents will be signed. Trades will be made.
I probably disagree with you.
agree completely
but that highlights how many players (and the money for them) we have to find over the next few years to fill out a roster.
although i think of the pitchers, 3 of those 4 could easily pan out, all are highly touted.
just an opinion
but I don’t think any of the following would pan out
McConnell
Lubanski
Robinson
Donachie
Bianchi
Taylor
Maier
and I don’t think DM has a whole lot of confidence either as with his discussion on 610 am about building pitching to aquire bats. As for the pitching I have a little more confidence in
Sosa, Cortes, Duffy, Davies and Wood possibly making the show as relievers or starters. They all seem to have the stuff to be contributors in some way but I’m sure some of them will become bargaining chips.
The true test of the 2011 Roster will be what Dayton trades for and if those trades pan out. You have to like his resume of trades thus far.
sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.
Hitting cleanup in Seattle
OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG
by Matt Klaassen on May 20, 2008 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
In a few years, he'll be co-owner of a bar in Omaha with Huber
(or perhaps maybe in Perth)
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 20, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
But you've got to give Huber's bar a chance!
He hasn’t even had a chance to show you how good his bar can be. All he needs is some time to establish his bar.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 20, 2008 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
No FA's makes the position players look kinda weak
c Buck
1b Butler
2b Callaspo
3b Gordon
ss Moustakas (a guy can hope)
lf Lubanski
cf Duarte
rf Teahen
dh Costa (+4th OF)
b1 Tupman (Backup/Defensive Replacement Catcher)
b2 Gathright (Pinch Runner/OF)
b3 Kaaihue (Pinch Hitter/ 1B)
b4 Aviles (Utility IF)
s1 Greinke
s2 Hochevar
s3 Meche
s4 Cortes
s5 Rosa
Closer Soria
Set up Nunez
Set up Ramirez
MR Gobble
MR Colon (Jumped the shark)
MR Giron (See above)
LR Davies
Pecota, watch over us.
I predict
We will have way more Japanese players than listed above.
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Well, as long as we're predicting the future...
i think my 4 month old is a lock for the 2030 squad, he’s got a pretty good grip for a little guy and is putting on mad weight, he projects as a 1B/LF/DH type, possibly a flamethrower out of the ‘pen.
I have many leather bound books...
Make him work on his bat speed. And teach him how to hit lefty.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 19, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
fun experiment...
but really looks depressing on my screen.
by no games on tv in kirksville missouri on May 19, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
should have started
This thread in three weeks so we’d have more players to choose from. :-)
Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.
I think the whole point
we don’t have a stacked organization yet to field much more than a marginal team. that being said, of course we will add through trades and free agency, but….
how many pieces do we have to add by FA over the next 2-4 years? I think this shows quite a few. So then the question, how much money can we afford to tie up in long term contracts?
Is banny really worth 8 million a year?
Is Banny really worth 8 million a year?
Absolutely. Everyone predicted he’d regress slightly this year, and he might have, but he is still capable of being a solid #3 starter for us. #3 starters now get $11-12 million per year in the FA market (see: Carlos Silva). If we could get Banny for $8 mil a year, I’d be leaping for joy (while wondering why his agent didn’t get him more cash).
i think
committing so much money to a marginal pitcher is the wrong way for the royals to build a roster (meche as an exception just to signal the world we will spend money finally). the more money we tie up like this, the less roster flexibility we have, if big money guys dont pan out, what do we do then? banny will be a fine pitcher, but we can get almost as good of performance from cheaper guys (we do have pitching on the farm), and use the money to support our horrible postion players outlook
+1
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by RoyalsRetro on May 20, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
What about Bannister makes him a "marginal pitcher?"
Or Meche, for that matter.
I realize this is a small sample size, but if you project out Bannister’s stats so far this season over the course of 165 innings (the amount he pitched last year), there are some very good signs, especially in regard to his peripherals—a 27% increase in strikeouts, a lower WHIP, and a couple fewer walks. He’s getting hit a little more frequently, but that is about it (I’m not so worried about the increase in ERA, I think most of us expected it, and honestly, if Bannister maintains a 4.2ish ERA, that is respectable for a #3 starter).
Why Bannister is a “marginal pitcher” when he continues to show improvement this year is beyond me.
by the current
contracts you see others getting. I think he is. Here are his projected stats this year:
Projected 32 32 4 0 197 183 99 95 21 49 120 14 18 97.6 1.16 .239 4.29
I wouldn’t be surprised if he pitches better than those numbers too. Last start really wasn’t his fault. He was crusing until DeJesus decided to be selfish and try to show he is a better CF than Gathright. After than Brian wasn’t really the same. Those numbers aren’t thats bad for a 27 year old in really only his second year in the league. His command will get better and I believe he will get better over the next few years. If you can lock him up with a 4-6 year deal I think it would be wise. After Greinke only of course.
sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.
Look at the comparable stats
These numbers are pretty similar and maybe show one of two things. Zach is about to come down to earth or Brian should be able to win a few more in a row. Either way when you are looking at long term contracts almost everyone would jump on the Greinke bandwagon but Brian shouldn’t be too far behind. The only other factor is age of course and that is where Greinke wins out along with having a higher ceiling.
RK PLAYER TEAM ERA ERC ERC% DIPS DIP% TLOSS CWIN PFR BIPA K/9
22 Zack Greinke KAN 2.18 3.21 1.48 4.00 1.84 2 0 0.94 .259 6.24
24 Brian Bannister KAN 4.29 3.13 0.73 4.17 0.97 1 0 0.85 .253 5.40
RK PLAYER TEAM K/BB K/9 #PIT P/PA P/IP WPCT AGS GB FB G/F RS WHIP
22 Zack Greinke KAN 2.87 6.24 912 3.69 14.7 .833 60.0 82 75 1.09 5.81 1.16
24 Brian Bannister KAN 2.43 5.40 878 3.75 15.5 .444 51.8 67 75 0.89 4.29 1.16
K PLAYER TEAM TB 2B 3B HR RBI IBB SB CS CS% BAA OBP SLG OPS
22 Zack Greinke KAN 93 13 1 7 16 0 0 2 1.00 .246 .291 .401 .692
24 Brian Bannister KAN 80 6 2 6 25 0 0 1 1.00 .239 .286 .367 .653
sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.
well
“along with having a higher ceiling”
thats pretty much the most important thing when evaluating young players, stats are pretty weak. grienke of course has the advantage of having stats to back him up too. :)
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