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Jon Lester "Beat" Cancer...

... and anyone who hasn't, or didn't, or isn't going to, is just a loser. They couldn't beat it. They obviously weren't as tough as Lester or maybe they just didn't want it enough. If only all those 55 year old women dying of breast cancer were as gutty and gritty and as inspirational as Jon Lester, a world-class athlete with access to the best care in the world, in his twenties. If only they had the heart, the courage, to do what Lester did they could have won too.

 

(Reducing human experience to sports metaphors is dumb. Cancer is not a game, it is not an opponent. You don't beat it and it doesn't beat you. You don't win or lose. You survive. Or you don't.)

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Just the headline

May be off-putting, like you’re suggesting he didn’t beat cancer or something. That’s all.

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by RoyalsRetro on May 20, 2008 2:06 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

9/11 changed everything

EVERYTHING

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on May 20, 2008 1:52 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

did lester have the good hodgkins?

(Curb Your reference)

"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise

by DyeFan187 on May 20, 2008 1:52 PM EDT   0 recs

I would think that people involved in cancer treatment would say...

...that it is a good thing that cancer is often talked about as something that has been “fought” and “beaten.” I’ve had some relatives who have dealt with cancer. I’ve spent more time at Stormont-Vail Hospital in Topeka than I care to remember. And my fiance is a nurse who works with cancer patients everyday. And from what I’ve seen with my own eyes and what I’ve heard from these healtchare professionals is that when a person gets a cancer diagnosis, they can go one of two ways. They can either get depressed and give up, or they can fight. The ones that give up don’t live very long. Even the patients that “give up” have the surgeries and go through the chemo, but attitude really does make a difference. If people think they’re defeated, the cancer usually “wins.” If the person “fights” it, then they have a much better chance. So, in this instance, I think the language we use matters and I think it helps. If the media’s usage of terms like “fighting” and “beating” cancer helps spread the message (either consciously or subconsciously) that cancer is something that can be fought and beaten, then more power to them.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 20, 2008 2:01 PM EDT   0 recs

But the people who didn’t beat cancer didn’t do so, or not do so, as it were, because they didn’t fight it. They died of a disease.

by royalsreview on May 20, 2008 2:10 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a fight and sometimes people lose the fight

Those who lose the fight against cancer are not treated as losers, nor are they described as “losers” in the pejorative sense. In short, I think the positive effect of using this language greatly outweighs the very, very small negatives.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 20, 2008 2:12 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

People can either act like they have no control over their cancer, or act like it is something they can fight

The people that act like it is just a disease which either kills them or doesn’t and that they will either just “survive” or not are less likely to actually survive. If you talk about it as a something to fight and something to beat, then you are more likely to “survive”. I’ll go with the language which helps people beat cancer and survive every time.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 20, 2008 2:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

well, part of the problem is that there is no "cancer"

there are various kinds, of varying survival rates and within those you can be lucky or unlucky with what cards you are dealt

i just don’t know how large a factor attitude is, to be honest… the thing is, if someone “beats” cancer because of purely biochemical reasons and because microscopic factors that we still don’t understand (hence no cure) did or didn’t materialize in a certain way, of course, after the fact, we’re going to talk about the person’s attitude rather than saying, ‘well, his mitocondria in the liver really stepped up in the clutch”

by royalsreview on May 20, 2008 2:22 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm going to go with the medical professionals on this one

If you treat cancer like something that is out of your hands “well the cancer will either kill me or not. I’ll survive or I won’t,” you’re less likely to survive. If you fight it, you are more likely to survive.

While using words like “survive” and eschewing words like “fight” and “win” might be more accurate linguistically, that is not the most effective way to instill and reinforce the attitude and mindset most effective to actually surviving cancer. Words have power.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 20, 2008 2:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

evidence?

Saying that people who ‘fight’ are more likely to survive infers that those who do not survive are ‘non-fighters’, or not sufficiently up to par for the ‘fight’, or something. RR is right on in his sentiment.

Also, NYRoyal, as you know well and argue frequently anecdotes, the opinions/CW of professionals (doctors, nurses, or baseball players) are not evidence. Show me some evidence that ‘words have power’ in cancer survivor rates.

Note: I’m not saying there isn’t any evidence, its just that you’re taking a contrary position to almost all of your statements on this site without any evidence, and I find it a bit jarring.

Royals Win!

by gordonfan on May 20, 2008 3:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

if someone fights and dies

the battle is forgotten.

if someone fights and lives, then it’s suddenly “proof” that fighting works.

They ascribe the same thing to prayer and cancer survival rates. That’s why you hear about all the people who pray and live, and they credit god. Of course, what they don’t tell you is that the percentage of people who live or die from a specific cancer doesn’t change based on prayer or “fighting”.

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by marbotty on May 20, 2008 3:24 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

It's complicated. Duh.

I’ve been fighting a rare and debilitating disease for ten years now. For anyone scoring at home, I’m losing. Getting my ass kicked. My attitude’s been pretty good for the most part. I fight.

But what I’ve learned is that words and attitude have power, but only in the very limited (or virtually unlimited, depending on your viewpoint) scope of improving one’s feelings. Attitude affects attitude. Diseases do what they do, and we try our best to cope.

I will also say that folks with good attitudes are generally better about keeping up with meds, eating healthy, exercising, etc etc and then are more likely to do better than others. But attitude’s affect is indirect.

by billexgordler on May 20, 2008 3:32 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I see what you mean

In statistics, that’s called a spurious correlation between ‘attitude’ and survival. The causal variable is “keeping up with meds, eating healthy, exercising, etc etc”

I still think the sports metaphor is a poor one because its insulting to those that do not survive and it trivializes the experience of the survivor.

Royals Win!

by gordonfan on May 20, 2008 3:42 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

and, i'm sorry to hear about your poor health

my mother is in a similar situation, and she’s not ‘winning’ either.

Royals Win!

by gordonfan on May 20, 2008 3:44 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks.

You’re right to point out the flip side of the sports metaphor, and as someone who’s been involved in sports my whole life, I’ve often thought about how my struggle with my shit makes me a weak person. One who is being weeded out by natural selection. If I were born 50 years ago, I’d have died a long time ago (and not because I’d be 50 years older…) and that’s both humbling and exciting at once.

It’s especially hard for athletes to change our modes of thinking on this stuff because we’re taught our whole lives to “suck it up” or “rub some dirt on it”. Well, dirt doesn’t eradicate tumors. And sometimes you can’t suck it up.

Hope and prayers to your mom.

by billexgordler on May 20, 2008 3:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I think there have actually been many studies on this

This isn’t a particularly controversial concept in the world of cancer treatment or healthcare in general. Unlike in baseball, the medical community is really good about doing scientific studies on these things. I don’t have any links to such studies to provide though.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 20, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately the sports media these days

has a great deal of trouble differentiating between sports stories and human interest stories. The fact that Lester being a cancer survivor is brought up whenever he succeeds at baseball is an example of this. I’d much rather just enjoy-to the extent that I can, what with my allegiance to the Royals-the moment for Lester, who really does seem like a cool guy on a team with some interesting personalities. There’s no doubt Lester has worked hard to improve as a major league pitcher, and that’s what really makes me happy for him.

It’s one of the reasons there are so many more sports bloggers that I’d rather read than most sportswriters…columns these days seem to be so jammed full of spin or sap that I don’t know why I bother most of the time. It’s true in Boston, too, of course. I hate Shaughnessy. I hate McMullan. I’m totally indifferent on silly Bob Ryan. end tangent, but my point’s clear…I don’t need to be reminded Jon Lester beat cancer every time he pitches well. I’m already quite aware of the fact he beat cancer without filler articles or ESPN “coverage” about it.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 20, 2008 2:04 PM EDT   0 recs

Everything in news is a "battle" or a "war"

Just look at political coverage. Its ridiculous. Debates are not meaningful discussions about the issues, they are a “BATTLE ROYALE TO THE WHITE HOUSE! WHO WILL SLIP UP? WHO WILL PULL PUNCHES? WILL THERE BE A KNOCKOUT PUNCH? TUNE IN TO FIND OUT IF THERE IS BLOOD!”

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by RoyalsRetro on May 20, 2008 2:07 PM EDT   0 recs

it is quite sickening, actually

the whole notion of “political horseraces” is actually very bad for this country.

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by marbotty on May 20, 2008 3:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

My mother had breast cancer 3 years ago or so

she is fine now though.. caught it early and it didnt spread anywhere so she “survived”

Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right

by focs on May 20, 2008 2:12 PM EDT   0 recs

Let me guess

You’re against discount bus fares for war widows?

by Gopherballs on May 20, 2008 2:21 PM EDT   0 recs

What does this have to do

with the price of tea in China?

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 20, 2008 3:18 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

everything man

its all connected man, all connected

by ZeppelinDZ on May 20, 2008 3:30 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Mooching war widows

(see today’s fanshot for the inspiration)

by Gopherballs on May 20, 2008 4:39 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

hope

i really hope after all the cancer,no hit shenanigans the royals can go out the next 3 games and light it up. It would seem only fitting the way this year has gone so far.

and yeah, you either live or you die, period. Its not a game, good point RR.

Make powder blue the all-time road uniforms!

by no games on tv in kirksville missouri on May 20, 2008 4:00 PM EDT   0 recs

You're not going down the "best road" according to the Sox blog.

http://www.overthemonster.com/2008/5/20/523994/some-a-little-soar-after-l

I like the first commenter who went “over there” and found the majority of us were “classless,” and belittled great baseball accomplishments with our “small market paranoid crap.”

“Ok, they’re mad because they’re team suck.”

by MkeRoyal on May 20, 2008 5:49 PM EDT   0 recs

ouch… but nonsensical

by royalsreview on May 20, 2008 6:37 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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