Game 48 Open Thread - Royals (21-26) at Jays (24-25)
Kansas City @ Toronto
So... we've got two bad offenses (last and second to last in the league) going up against two good pitchers, Greinke (2.18 ERA) and Halladay (3.37 ERA).
Does anyone else feel like this is going to be one of those that's baseball games, where the score is 7-5 after three innings?
Pregame Links
- Bluebird Banter, Drunk Jays Fans, and the Batter's Box are all strong Blue Jay blogs. Batter's Box even has the cool .ca web address, and this lengthy preview post on the Royals-Jays series.
-The Hardball Times reports on the Pitch f/x summit.
-I wish Paul DePodesta worked for the Royals. Unfortunately, this organization has hitched her sails to a completely different line of thinking.
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go expos
"So whattya say, should we clean this place up?" - Tom Cruise
by DyeFan187 on May 23, 2008 6:22 PM EDT 0 recs
Did you hear that the Royals signed Horacio Ramirez!!!!!!
That idiot Moore. I don’t know how we’re going to overcome this one. Culture of losing!
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on May 23, 2008 6:23 PM EDT 0 recs
There's no downside
Every MLB team has multiple veteran project players in their system. They are ultra-low-risk, very low cost projects with essentially no downside. So what reason is there to disapprove of the move? Because he’s now blocking Jeff Fulchino. What am I missing here, Will?
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by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 6:41 PM EDT
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well i agree its a minor minor move
but that doesn’t change the fact that Ho-Ram sucks. he was one of the worst pitchers in baseball last year.
and the opportunity cost is greater than Fulchino, but also whomever else he might want to sign and send to Omaha
by royalsreview on
May 23, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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zack was one of the worst players in baseball in his 2nd season...we brought him back
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
May 23, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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Lots and lots of minor league pitchers suck
Ramirez sucks. Wasdin sucks. Fulchino sucks. So you’re saying that there’s no reason for any MLB team to sign any failed vet to a minor league contract? Are you really saying that?
Ramirez won’t be blocking anyone. There is lots and lots of roster flexibility in Omaha. If the Royals want to move anyone to Omaha, there are several crappy older players who can be sent down or released like Fulchino and Buchanan to name but two.
This is what minor league contracts are for. You take spend pennies to see if you can re-work the guy into something. If it doesn’t work, you release him and you end up paying about what it costs to buy a new set of tires for the Burlington team bus.
Again, what is the downside to this signing. Can anyone tell me? Anyone?
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by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 6:47 PM EDT
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isn't the downside that at some point he appears in a Royals game?
and that wasn’t possible before yesterday’s move
i just don’t think the odds of it working out are very good, and I would have rather just had the possibility remain stillborn
by royalsreview on
May 23, 2008 6:52 PM EDT
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If that happens, then the organization is worthy of criticism (unless he pitches really, really well in Omaha)
So basically you’re saying don’t sign him because you know that he’ll never, ever been any good in the majors. Aren’t there many pitchers in AAA who we’re pretty sure will never been any good in the majors. I would argue that Ramirez has a better chance of contributing in the majors than Fulchino or some others.
There really is no support for the contention that a team should never sign a failed vet to a minor league deal.
I probably disagree with you.
by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 6:59 PM EDT
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I get your point
but every response just adds fuel to the fire.
by Gopherballs on
May 23, 2008 7:11 PM EDT
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Buster Posey, Tim Beckham, Pedro Alvarez, Justin Smoak, or Aaron Crow
Hypothetically if they are all available who do you take?
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by focs on May 23, 2008 6:27 PM EDT 0 recs
I go with Alvarez or Smoak
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by focs on
May 23, 2008 6:27 PM EDT
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What's wrong with
Gordon Beckham, SS from Georgia? I don’t know anything about him just saw the numbers. He is a college player so would be ready quicker than the other Beckham. Are they related?
by I need more Esteban on
May 23, 2008 6:32 PM EDT
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Tim Beckham has a chance to be an elite talent
Gordon Beckham is more likely to be an average MLB SS. Gordon Beckham is closer to major league ready, but he’s probably not worthy of the #3 overall pick.
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by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 6:34 PM EDT
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not related....one's white and ones black
i want beckham, alvarez, hosmer in that order
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
May 23, 2008 6:39 PM EDT
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for some reason, this reminded me of the old SNL Ebony and Ivory spoof
Stevie Wonder: “I am dark, and you are light.”
Frank Sinatra: “You are blind as a bat, and I have sight!
by Gopherballs on
May 23, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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Eric Hosmer
Seriously, outside of Alvarez, I don’t see Ladnier and Moore taking a college player – it doesn’t fit our M.O. at this juncture. Moore comes from the “raise your own kids” school of thought on the draft and player development.
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by eazyb81 on
May 23, 2008 6:38 PM EDT
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I wonder if he was down with the Hochevar pick… which technically he didn’t handle on draft day, but…
by royalsreview on
May 23, 2008 6:40 PM EDT
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Forgot to add that I would be shocked if our pick isn’t one of Alvarez, Tim Beckham, Hosmer, or Skipworth.
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by eazyb81 on
May 23, 2008 6:42 PM EDT
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skipworth?...really?
is that the HS catcher?
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by billybeingbilly on
May 23, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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Skipworth would be an awful choice at #3
he’s not worthy
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by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 6:43 PM EDT
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I wouldn't say awful
He’s the best prep catcher since Mauer and is flying up draft boards.
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by eazyb81 on
May 23, 2008 6:44 PM EDT
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He's no #3
And he won’t go in the top 5. I’d bet a lot on that.
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by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 6:48 PM EDT
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No one had Moose in the top 3
until the last few days. A lot can change in two weeks, and he is definitely in that 2nd tier with Smoak, Crow, Matusz, and Gordon Beckham.
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by eazyb81 on
May 23, 2008 6:50 PM EDT
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Not true
He was on the short list for the top 3 for months.
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by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 6:51 PM EDT
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Huh?
He wasn’t even on BA’s first draft tracker before the season started. I have the link if you need it.
The highest he was predicted to go for awhile was to the Brewers at 7, then he crept up the last week or so.
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by eazyb81 on
May 23, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
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No, not at all
I’d really like to see anything that had him top 3 for months.
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by doublestix on
May 23, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
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If he doesn't got top 5
He’ll probably go #6. The Marlins love him.
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by doublestix on
May 23, 2008 6:54 PM EDT
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They can have him
Yet another HS catcher who is very likely to fail.
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by NYRoyal on
May 23, 2008 7:00 PM EDT
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id be SHOCKED if he didnt have the final say on at least that pick...
with the other ones, there couldve been a conflict of interest, not so much with 1:1
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 6:41 PM EDT 0 recs
More Gator, Not
Enough cowbell.
D. DeJesus rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .301
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295
J. Guillen lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251
M. Teahen 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
M. Olivo c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
T. Pena Jr. ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .162
J. Gathright cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 What does it take to get enough cowbell, anyway?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 23, 2008 6:42 PM EDT 0 recs
He caught for Meche
I know on Tuesday, as long as Olivo is hitting, though, I’m all for it.
by I need more Esteban on
May 23, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
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Which One Of
These is him?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
May 23, 2008 6:58 PM EDT
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Why do they start at 7:07 in Toronto, eh??
Is that metric for 7:10?
I have many leather bound books...
by juano on May 23, 2008 7:03 PM EDT 0 recs
may be a local deal or something… the white sox always start at 7:11
by royalsreview on
May 23, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
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Halladay is going to pwn us
I hope Zack brought his curveball
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on May 23, 2008 7:09 PM EDT 0 recs
If Toronto can wear blue pants at home
Then we have no excuse.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on May 23, 2008 7:13 PM EDT 0 recs
Yep
blue jersey, blue pants, blue hat with white center-panel
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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The uniforms are amazing
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by slayor on
May 23, 2008 7:17 PM EDT
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they do it every friday home game
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by focs on
May 23, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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love it…
i love all variations of the old blue jay uniform
love the old hat, love the weird futuristic font they used, all of it
by royalsreview on
May 23, 2008 7:18 PM EDT
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Is it time for another Guillen vs Brown update?
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by jonfmorse on May 23, 2008 7:17 PM EDT 0 recs
Good to see Jose getting hot again
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on May 23, 2008 7:17 PM EDT 0 recs
Hooray Good Jose!!!!!!
Hooray runs!!!!!!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on
May 23, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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1-0
my opposite day style prediction is holding up so far
by royalsreview on May 23, 2008 7:17 PM EDT 0 recs
Why the hell is Teahen still batting 5th
He’s been godawful this season
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on May 23, 2008 7:18 PM EDT 0 recs
Quickly
which Royals have a higher OBP than Teahen this season in relatively full playing time?
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by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
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Didn't say he didnt deserve to be in the line up
But he doesn’t belong in the 5 slot.
winning records follow good bullpens
by slayor on
May 23, 2008 7:20 PM EDT
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You DID, however
say “he’s been godawful”. No, he’s just not hitting the ball far.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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no.. he has been god awful just because he walks doesnt make him good.. his average is like less than .250
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by focs on
May 23, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
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Wrong again.
His average is exactly .250 right now.
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by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
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He has a .344 OBP
That’ snot exactly tearing it up. Factor in him hitting .250 and SLUGGING .350, and yeah, he’s sucked.
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by slayor on
May 23, 2008 7:22 PM EDT
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And he's still getting on base
more than anyone except Gordon and Grudz.
Yes, even DDJ and Butler.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
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And yet, David is still outslugging him by 40 points and still batting leadoff
I dont understand why teahen isn’t batting leadoff and Dejesus isn’t batting 5th. Might as well, right…
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by slayor on
May 23, 2008 7:26 PM EDT
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That, I agree with.
And I agree Mark could be doing a hell of a lot better than this. I just disagree with constantly throwing him under the bus, as if he’s the problem. The way the lineup is constructed is the problem.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:27 PM EDT
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mark teahen sucks.. get over it jonny
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by focs on
May 23, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
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Do you think Butler sucks?
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by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:31 PM EDT
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Butler is 22.. his first full year in the bigs.. no i dont..
ignorant question
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by focs on
May 23, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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Yeah, okay
“Gordon, DeJesus, Butler”.
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by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:35 PM EDT
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?
You should have your own segment called “Morse Code with Jon Morse” it would be comical
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by focs on
May 23, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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You're impenetrable sometimes.
Look, I’m not saying Teahen is an immovable object whose name we should speak in reverent tones like Amos Otis.
If he was batting leadoff or second, he’d be well-suited. But since he’s in the middle of the order, his lack of punch is killing us.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:43 PM EDT
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Butler hasn't had 1000 AB's in the ML to prove his suckyness
Not that I’m saying Teahen isn’t a ML player, I’m just not convinced he’s an everyday ML player.
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by slayor on
May 23, 2008 7:32 PM EDT
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Valid
However…
Butler in ~500 AB: .760 OPS
Teahen in ~1500 AB: .761 OPS
I mean, it’s like they’re the same guy, only one can run and field.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:37 PM EDT
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and one should be in his prime and one could still be playing college baseball...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
May 23, 2008 7:38 PM EDT
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oh...and teahen's not exactly a gold glover out there either...ive never seen someone lose so many balls in the sun
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
May 23, 2008 7:39 PM EDT
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i do not think teahen sucks...i think he's horribly suited for where he bats on this team.
and butler is in his first full season and has shown consistent power in the past…teahen has not
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on
May 23, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
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Gordon? Dejesus? Butler?
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by focs on
May 23, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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One right, two wrong.
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by jonfmorse on
May 23, 2008 7:21 PM EDT
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TPJ gets a hit off Halladay.. ha.
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