Game 48 Open Thread - Royals (21-26) at Jays (24-25)
by Freneau on May 23, 2008 6:15 PM EDT
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So... we've got two bad offenses (last and second to last in the league) going up against two good pitchers, Greinke (2.18 ERA) and Halladay (3.37 ERA).
Does anyone else feel like this is going to be one of those that's baseball games, where the score is 7-5 after three innings?
Pregame Links
- Bluebird Banter, Drunk Jays Fans, and the Batter's Box are all strong Blue Jay blogs. Batter's Box even has the cool .ca web address, and this lengthy preview post on the Royals-Jays series.
-The Hardball Times reports on the Pitch f/x summit.
-I wish Paul DePodesta worked for the Royals. Unfortunately, this organization has hitched her sails to a completely different line of thinking.
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Did you hear that the Royals signed Horacio Ramirez!!!!!!
That idiot Moore. I don’t know how we’re going to overcome this one. Culture of losing!
I probably disagree with you.
There's no downside
Every MLB team has multiple veteran project players in their system. They are ultra-low-risk, very low cost projects with essentially no downside. So what reason is there to disapprove of the move? Because he’s now blocking Jeff Fulchino. What am I missing here, Will?
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
well i agree its a minor minor move
but that doesn’t change the fact that Ho-Ram sucks. he was one of the worst pitchers in baseball last year.
and the opportunity cost is greater than Fulchino, but also whomever else he might want to sign and send to Omaha
zack was one of the worst players in baseball in his 2nd season...we brought him back
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots and lots of minor league pitchers suck
Ramirez sucks. Wasdin sucks. Fulchino sucks. So you’re saying that there’s no reason for any MLB team to sign any failed vet to a minor league contract? Are you really saying that?
Ramirez won’t be blocking anyone. There is lots and lots of roster flexibility in Omaha. If the Royals want to move anyone to Omaha, there are several crappy older players who can be sent down or released like Fulchino and Buchanan to name but two.
This is what minor league contracts are for. You take spend pennies to see if you can re-work the guy into something. If it doesn’t work, you release him and you end up paying about what it costs to buy a new set of tires for the Burlington team bus.
Again, what is the downside to this signing. Can anyone tell me? Anyone?
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't the downside that at some point he appears in a Royals game?
and that wasn’t possible before yesterday’s move
i just don’t think the odds of it working out are very good, and I would have rather just had the possibility remain stillborn
If that happens, then the organization is worthy of criticism (unless he pitches really, really well in Omaha)
So basically you’re saying don’t sign him because you know that he’ll never, ever been any good in the majors. Aren’t there many pitchers in AAA who we’re pretty sure will never been any good in the majors. I would argue that Ramirez has a better chance of contributing in the majors than Fulchino or some others.
There really is no support for the contention that a team should never sign a failed vet to a minor league deal.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I get your point
but every response just adds fuel to the fire.
Buster Posey, Tim Beckham, Pedro Alvarez, Justin Smoak, or Aaron Crow
Hypothetically if they are all available who do you take?
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
I go with Alvarez or Smoak
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
What's wrong with
Gordon Beckham, SS from Georgia? I don’t know anything about him just saw the numbers. He is a college player so would be ready quicker than the other Beckham. Are they related?
by I need more Esteban on May 23, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Tim Beckham has a chance to be an elite talent
Gordon Beckham is more likely to be an average MLB SS. Gordon Beckham is closer to major league ready, but he’s probably not worthy of the #3 overall pick.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
not related....one's white and ones black
i want beckham, alvarez, hosmer in that order
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
for some reason, this reminded me of the old SNL Ebony and Ivory spoof
Stevie Wonder: “I am dark, and you are light.”
Frank Sinatra: “You are blind as a bat, and I have sight!
Eric Hosmer
Seriously, outside of Alvarez, I don’t see Ladnier and Moore taking a college player – it doesn’t fit our M.O. at this juncture. Moore comes from the “raise your own kids” school of thought on the draft and player development.
Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club
Forgot to add that I would be shocked if our pick isn’t one of Alvarez, Tim Beckham, Hosmer, or Skipworth.
Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club
skipworth?...really?
is that the HS catcher?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Skipworth would be an awful choice at #3
he’s not worthy
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say awful
He’s the best prep catcher since Mauer and is flying up draft boards.
Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club
He's no #3
And he won’t go in the top 5. I’d bet a lot on that.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
No one had Moose in the top 3
until the last few days. A lot can change in two weeks, and he is definitely in that 2nd tier with Smoak, Crow, Matusz, and Gordon Beckham.
Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club
Not true
He was on the short list for the top 3 for months.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
He wasn’t even on BA’s first draft tracker before the season started. I have the link if you need it.
The highest he was predicted to go for awhile was to the Brewers at 7, then he crept up the last week or so.
Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club
No, not at all
I’d really like to see anything that had him top 3 for months.
Rowdy Hardy Fan Club member.
They can have him
Yet another HS catcher who is very likely to fail.
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yes that's him
Founder of the Rowdy Hardy Fan Club
id be SHOCKED if he didnt have the final say on at least that pick...
with the other ones, there couldve been a conflict of interest, not so much with 1:1
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 6:41 PM EDT reply actions
More Gator, Not
Enough cowbell.
D. DeJesus rf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .285
M. Grudzielanek 2b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .301
A. Gordon 3b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .295
J. Guillen lf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .251
M. Teahen 1b 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .252
B. Butler dh 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .267
M. Olivo c 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .289
T. Pena Jr. ss 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .162
J. Gathright cf 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .259
Totals 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 What does it take to get enough cowbell, anyway?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
He caught for Meche
I know on Tuesday, as long as Olivo is hitting, though, I’m all for it.
by I need more Esteban on May 23, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Day before yesterday
I probably disagree with you.
by Scott McKinney on May 23, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do they start at 7:07 in Toronto, eh??
Is that metric for 7:10?
I have many leather bound books...
Halladay is going to pwn us
I hope Zack brought his curveball
winning records follow good bullpens
The uniforms are amazing
winning records follow good bullpens
they do it every friday home game
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Good to see Jose getting hot again
winning records follow good bullpens
Hooray Good Jose!!!!!!
Hooray runs!!!!!!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 23, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Why the hell is Teahen still batting 5th
He’s been godawful this season
winning records follow good bullpens
Quickly
which Royals have a higher OBP than Teahen this season in relatively full playing time?
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Didn't say he didnt deserve to be in the line up
But he doesn’t belong in the 5 slot.
winning records follow good bullpens
You DID, however
say “he’s been godawful”. No, he’s just not hitting the ball far.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
no.. he has been god awful just because he walks doesnt make him good.. his average is like less than .250
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
He has a .344 OBP
That’ snot exactly tearing it up. Factor in him hitting .250 and SLUGGING .350, and yeah, he’s sucked.
winning records follow good bullpens
And he's still getting on base
more than anyone except Gordon and Grudz.
Yes, even DDJ and Butler.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
And yet, David is still outslugging him by 40 points and still batting leadoff
I dont understand why teahen isn’t batting leadoff and Dejesus isn’t batting 5th. Might as well, right…
winning records follow good bullpens
That, I agree with.
And I agree Mark could be doing a hell of a lot better than this. I just disagree with constantly throwing him under the bus, as if he’s the problem. The way the lineup is constructed is the problem.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
mark teahen sucks.. get over it jonny
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Butler is 22.. his first full year in the bigs.. no i dont..
ignorant question
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
?
You should have your own segment called “Morse Code with Jon Morse” it would be comical
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
You're impenetrable sometimes.
Look, I’m not saying Teahen is an immovable object whose name we should speak in reverent tones like Amos Otis.
If he was batting leadoff or second, he’d be well-suited. But since he’s in the middle of the order, his lack of punch is killing us.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Butler hasn't had 1000 AB's in the ML to prove his suckyness
Not that I’m saying Teahen isn’t a ML player, I’m just not convinced he’s an everyday ML player.
winning records follow good bullpens
Valid
However…
Butler in ~500 AB: .760 OPS
Teahen in ~1500 AB: .761 OPS
I mean, it’s like they’re the same guy, only one can run and field.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
and one should be in his prime and one could still be playing college baseball...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
i do not think teahen sucks...i think he's horribly suited for where he bats on this team.
and butler is in his first full season and has shown consistent power in the past…teahen has not
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Gordon? Dejesus? Butler?
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
TPJ gets a hit off Halladay.. ha.
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
That just seems wrong
winning records follow good bullpens
could you not say that anytime pena gets a hit off of anyone?
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
In case anyone was wondering, zack is really good
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions
No intentional walk here...
looks like hillman isn’t THAT stupid.
ball game in the 2nd
because Halladay looked so dominant against the top of our order, right?
by I need more Esteban on May 23, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Marco Freakin' Scutaro
winning records follow good bullpens
It would of been nice if he had like, at least hit it hard
winning records follow good bullpens
yeah...one decent hit by rolen one chopper over teahen and then that
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions
Greinke has to be super pissed off about that inning
He pitched really well and still the ERA goes up again.
winning records follow good bullpens
zacks final line tonite 7 IP 2 ER 6 H 1 BB 7 Ks
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions
I think he's going to come up guns blazing in the 3rd
winning records follow good bullpens
Yuck, Halladay is really rolling now
Last thing you want to give a guy like that is a lead
winning records follow good bullpens
A hitter may be designated to bat for the starting pitcher and allsubsequent pitchers in any game without otherwise affecting the status of the pitcher(s) in the game.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
dont wanna hurt our starting shortstops confidence
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
or put any ideas into zacks head
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Jesus can Zack give up any more dunkers
winning records follow good bullpens
So, is Zack pitching well tonight, or terribly?
I really can’t figure it out yet.
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He was pitching well until he threw Rios that cookie
winning records follow good bullpens
Note To ZeeGee
Do not hang breakers to Rolen.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
This is where we give up the 3 run homer, right?
winning records follow good bullpens
Every freakin' ball they put in play goes for a hit
winning records follow good bullpens
We're not going to, Zack is melting down
He looked really sharp the first 2 innings, too.
winning records follow good bullpens
Note to everyone who thinks Olivo's a great defensive catcher
That’s three pitches THIS INNING he’s had in his glove that rolled away from him.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Has Buck caught all of Zack's games up to this point?
I’d like to see a breakdown of who’s caught which games and the outcomes.
winning records follow good bullpens
I'm ready for Buck to catch his next one...
winning records follow good bullpens
That was a perfect fking pitch too
How long willt his losing streak last?
winning records follow good bullpens
We Will Bury Them!!!
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 23, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Geat minds....
Or at least a couple of old guys thinking alike.
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We geezers
who actually remember the Soviet Union need to stick together.
Or something.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Thing my students never experienced:
life without cell phones
life without the internet
Most have never owned a cassette tape
Almost none of them have any memory of the Soviet Union.
For most, George W. Bush has been the president since they were in 8th or 9th grade.
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Life without the internet I think is the biggest
Most undergraduates seem to never even consider the idea that information can be obtained from printed material.
No joke, and this is sad, but I have had sophmores who had never read a book in their lives. Second year of college and they literally had never read a book. It has happened twice.
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I Have A
Cheap set of Groliers’ Encyclopedias; I don’t know why.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 23, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I Remember Nikita
And the Cuban missile crisis too well.
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
by philofthenorth on May 23, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
One of my earlies memories,
The U.S. boycott of the 1976 olympics due to the Soviet occupation of Afganistan.
Things change, things stay the same.
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You know, if I went to a white table cloath resturant, waiters in coats,
and I was brought a Hardees Thick Burger, I think I might find it a little odd.
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My frustration level is rising.
The last few years haven’t been this frustrating, because I wasn’t able to watch every single game. Big difference between “Oh, we lost again” and “Oh, we’re losing again and OMG WHAT WAS THAT CRAP”
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
This year is different,
there is much more hope. We actually expect the Royals to win three games a week.
In the very recent past, any victory felt kinda special.
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Nah, it's more than that
When you’re routinely trapped at the office late and rarely get home before the fifth inning, you become numb to it; it’s just results. Since work is no longer an issue, I get to watch the entire nightmare.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Now i said after scutaro got that first 2 RBI bitch hit that it was game over
Tell me i was wrong??
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
That was easily and i mean EASILY
the worst major league baseball player at bat i have EVER seen
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
7:25 ... Friday... Summer
and I am in my office
now I am not doing work at all
but I still feel hardcore
Can Pena Take
An intentional K, kind of like an IBB for the hitter?
I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.
Pena strategies I approve
1) Never swinging. Just stand there and take pitches.
2) Trying to bunt for a hit 90% of the time. the other 10% try to slap the ball over the 3Bs head.
6) Accidently hit your self in the leg with an axe.. preferably in the knee
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
...like the really short kid in little league...
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
if only bunting foul was allowed with two strikes we could use him to run up pitch counts...hes really good at bunting foul
TPJ...you're dead to me
by billybeingbilly on May 23, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Ryan just said Rolen had to approve the trade because
he had 10 years in the minor leagues and five years with the same team.
I, for one, applaud Ryan for recognizing the National League’s proper status.
Sarcasm™. It's the new gravy.
Morse Code with Jon Morse
God i love it.. it has a good ring.. like on 610 AM Sports… Whats Right with Nick Wright
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Good Joke Eh?.. (Practicing my canadianese)
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
Gavin Floyd No No through 4 innings.
Geez this guy does it all the time.. good thing he is on my fantasy team
Yasuhiko Yabuta is to Major League Baseball as Drew Carey is to The Price is Right
3 cheers for only being 1 game ahead of the tigers
After the way they started this season, I think that speaks volumes towards how godawful this team has been for the past month.
winning records follow good bullpens
Five game losing streak.
Pretty well hating this.
Royals got no offense this week.
I think I will go to the game next Friday with some friends.
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Don't play with me Will. That is just cruel.
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by James Quinn on May 23, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions
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