Colon v. Tomko 2008

by Billybutlerformvp on May 27, 2008 3:53 PM EDT Comment 42 comments

I returned from exhile to make this one post and than I return to the abyss. So has anyone seen Bartolo Colons stats? 2-0 2.25 era and was even better in his second start going seven innings. Yes Colon is most certainly worse than Tomko who has a pretty 6.11 era and one question for Nyroyal . Have you put out an eta yet for mark teahens power? Anyway I dont think I am a negative fan for me it was very sad to see Butler, Teahen and Banny regress. I just think this team needs a change. Hopefully this team gets it together and turns it around after the all star break. Before I part I have one question now knowing just how powerful teahens bat would be who would take a flyier on Bonds for a 1 yr deal to get this anemic offense going again. Oo yes and I have not forgotten my bet with nyroyal about one pitcher winning 15 games this season. I am curious if he is still that confident about his chances of winning. Speak to you all in september. or after colon no hits the royals. Low blow I know but lets go royals and lets get a win streak started!!!

-Butler for mvp in 09

Poll

How confident are royal fans that a royals pitcher will win 15 games this season

0-No confidence

6 votes

1

3 votes

2

2 votes

3

3 votes

4

8 votes

5- Its a lock Grienke will save us.

4 votes

26 votes | Poll has closed

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go away...

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 27, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Billymvp, you said you were leaving for the season

Be a man of your word.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 27, 2008 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

So should I take that

as a your not feeling confident?
Good Night and Good Luck all see you in september

by Billybutlerformvp on May 27, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So, when does summer school start?

by Gopherballs on May 27, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

For the record

I voted “5”. See ya Billy. Remember, this time do what you promised to do.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 27, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I dont want you to feel slighted

but you gotta vote again since I had to change it to a royals pitcher, not a pitcher. so make sure to get your votes in. Hasta la vista

by Billybutlerformvp on May 27, 2008 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You misspelled

Greinke.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he's such a huge fan...how could he possibly not know how to spell it

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 27, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No internet while in "exhile"

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 27, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Waiting To Exhile?

I used to be an A's fan until they left town and got good.

by philofthenorth on May 28, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I can't argue with Moore too much

While I did advocate for Colon over Tomko (and if Colon keeps throwing mid 90s like he did his last start, that is gonna make Boston a virtual lock to win it all this season),

I also advocated for A Jones over Guillen. Boy, was I wrong on that one – Jones really looks washed up, while Guillen looks like he will reach his normal OPS, or somewhere in the vacinity.

by loyal2sdad on May 27, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I made the same assumptions

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by marbotty on May 28, 2008 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This past winter it was so obvious

That Bartolo Colon was going to win 15 games this year. Anyone could have seen that. When he was whipping 85 mph fastballs in winter leagues, Dayton should have swooped down and signed Bartolo to a multiyear deal. The fact that he did not is gross incompetence and grounds alone for him to be fired.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 27, 2008 4:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Why I advocated for him

Only because he was just a couple of years removed from being a 20 game winner. My belief was that Tomko “is who we thought he was”, while Colon could have been either a collosal flop, or a spectacular success. Granted, maybe the odds were only 5% that Colon would regain his old stuff like it appears he may have done, but that is EXACTLY the sort of gamble the Royals need to win to get an edge on the higher payroll teams.

Alas, one of the higher payroll teams now understands this principal, and they can afford five or ten times the number of gambles like this than a team like the Royals.

Sorta scary situation in Boston: ability to outspend all but one team, combined with a cutting edge front office unafraid to take sensible gambles, still aware of the value of a strong minor league system, and possessing a good idea of how to develop prospects in said system.

They could easily win something silly like 5 or 6 WS out of 7 or 8 years, IMHO.

by loyal2sdad on May 27, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Let's not go crazy, here,

do remember who Colon has started against. I’m pretty I could look like a league average starter against us and the Mariners right now.

And yes, yes, that Red Sox organization is a good one.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The point is

It was a gamble, no one really knew how he would perform. To come back in hindsight like BillyButlerforMVP is and suggesting that Colon was the obvious choice over Tomko is a bit silly I think.

You can make a good case that the Royals should have taken the gamble, but really it was throwing darts as to whether he’d be useful at all.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 27, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

actually I said Colon was better

when he was still in rehab games… thanks for paying attention to detail. adios

by Billybutlerformvp on May 27, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's great that you said that

But there was really nothing to indicate that he’d be heads and tails better than Tomko. You were guessing, as were we all. And its not even definitive that Colon is better than Tomko. Let’s talk again in August or September and see where Bartolo is then.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 27, 2008 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

So when is it that you're going to leave for the remainder of the season?

You keep promising it and you keep coming back. Be a man of your word.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 27, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Boy of his word

you mean? I’d be surprised if he was over the age of 18.

by I need more Esteban on May 27, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 27, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whoa

Now that I’ve finished smirking like Alex Gordon does during hitting slumps, let me point out how ridiculous it is to annoint Colon as being anything other than a decent of the rotation option. His two starts were against a struggling Royals offense where he only went five innings, and last night’s outing against the godawful Mariners. For you fantasy players, that’s a huge “STAY AWAY” sign going forward. He’s a lock to regress when he’s forced to pitch against good offenses.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good point

Any pitching comparison must be made in mind that if we had signed them, that pitcher wouldn’t have the benefit of having his numbers inflated by playing against the Royals.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

by loyal2sdad on May 27, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i do wonder why his fatass didnt get in shape a little bit earlier...

had he been throwing 95 in winter ball, he surely wouldve gotten at least the $3 million that Tomko got rather than the league minimum

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 27, 2008 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

He had shoulder surgery

last year.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Selfish

Think about it he had surgery on his shoulder. Poison. Can you imagine the disaster of his fat, selfish butt in the same locker room with Jose Guillen?

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We could have signed those two, brought back Ken Harvey

And had our own “The Biggest Loser” TV show.

Relive Royals History at royalsretro.blogspot.com

by RoyalsRetro on May 27, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I miss Harvey

I actually smile every time I picture him and think, “Grimace”

OMG Banny. FWIW I am only crdtng u w/3 runs allwd bc of DDJ OMFG

by devil_fingers on May 27, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

ahh...so this first month and a half in the minors was rehab...not getting in shape time?

i apologize bartolo

TPJ...you're dead to me

by billybeingbilly on May 27, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

It was probably some of the latter,

but yes, the guy really screwed up his shoulder last year.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's not in shape and really shows no interest in ever getting in shape

Teams will still sign him, regardless of how bad of shape he’s in. How long do you think it will be before he goes back on the DL? A month? Less?

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 27, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I know how long it'll take before he starts

to regress.

Next start.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure

Tomko would cut his ERA in half if he could face our offense every other game.

sign Greinke a Evan Longoria type deal now.

by kcscoliny on May 27, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Unless Aviles were in the Royals lineup

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 27, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Aviles's tears cure cancer.

Too bad he’s never cried.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rumor has it that a healing light shines from his arse

We’d have to call him up to KC to know for sure.

I probably disagree with you.

by NYRoyal on May 27, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Banny managed to win 12 last year… i think Greinke can get to 15

by royalsreview on May 27, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pitcher wins!

If someone challenged me to a pitcher win bet, I’m quite sure I’d laugh.

A mind without purpose will walk in dark places.

by NHZ on May 27, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Greinke already has 5 wins,

and in two other games was the victim of a blown save. Don’t expect that pace (blown save pace, that is) to keep up – our bullpen is too solid for that to happen.

Throw in another game he lost 2-1, and I think, given normal health, he should be a good bet to win 15 plus. Hell, he’s on pace for 15 right now, despite the above.

by loyal2sdad on May 28, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs